LA Angels Weekend News Crash: Torii!!!

The Angels entered the off season looking for a manager. A surprising candidate emerged in the form of one of my all time favorite players, Torii Hunter. We’d heard about Tim Salmon and Darin Erstad, but news of Torii was new.

Alas, the Angels went with baseball lifer Ron Washington and signed him to a two year contract to manage the club. News quickly followed that Washington intends to add Torii Hunter to his coaching staff.

In fact, if this staff comes to fruition Torii won’t be the only former Angels great on it.

I loved Chili Davis and had the chance to meet him years ago. I still have the program from the first Angels game I attended and it featured Chili on the cover with dynamite wanting to blow up the home run suppressing Candlestick Park. We laughed about that cover. He was cool.

A 71 year old taking on a younger man with aspirations to manage sure feels like a baton passing in the making. Hopefully Torii is the man at the helm of the next Angels run of excellence.

In the meantime, what can Washington bring? Defensive prowess, and the Angels need it. Take a look at this graph and see the Angels way over the left. The 2023 Angels gave up 123 more runs than the Texas Rangers and 87 unearned runs on the year. Patrick Sandoval led all of baseball in unearned runs allowed.

Getting some good, fundamentally sound defense behind this young pitching staff could work wonders.

Now that the manager is in place and the coaching targets have been identified it is time to field an actual team. The Angels can go in several directions this off season and I took a look at three of them.

Let the Kids Play is pretty obvious and Turning Japanese was fun to write. I am legitimately more intrigued by the NPB players available than most of the MLB free agents and do hope the Angels land some more Japanese talent.

Slash and Burn wouldn’t be fun for a couple of years but is probably what is really needed. Rebuilds take patience, though and Arte doesn’t have it. Neither do any of the men in my family and I recognize a kindred spirit.

In non-Angels news, Trevor Bauer is looking for work at the MLB level. I can’t see many teams lining up for him but I might be wrong. This wasn’t his only incident, after all.

So who bites? Astros? Yankees?

It sounds like the annual GM Meetings were in Mexico and everyone drank the water. Whatever it was, the plumbing at the resort got a good workout and the meetings were called off early.

Why did Craig Counsell spurn the Mets and join the Cubs? SI tries to explain.

And with this thread talking a lot about managers, let’s categorize some managers.

And last, but not least, let’s just enjoy some Torii highlights. I am making it my personal life mission to interview Torii now. It would greatly help if we had a Twitter/X magnate to promote the site. Let me know if you can help.

Enjoy your weekend and link what I missed. We have two games of Fall Ball remaining. We showed a lot of improvement last week and played the best team in the league pretty closely for the last few innings. I was happy for the kids and proud of them. We’ll definitely have a post game pizza party after the game Sunday.

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Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 months ago

Tim “Don’t call him Jackie” Anderson may be a wise one-year prove it contract for the Halos.

Cowboy26
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5 months ago

Don’t worry Chili Dawg will fix him

WallyChuckChili
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5 months ago
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FungoAle
Super Member
5 months ago

Certainly is a good buy low candidate. I don’t hate it.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

Exactly. Buy low n he’d be great. Everyone bitches about wanting “fire and urgency”. Well…..

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 months ago

Just don’t call him Jackie!

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
5 months ago

This is a terrible idea and not a step in the right direction. Let’s sign a 30 year old who is declining and we’lll have him replace our near .500 slugging 2B who will be making way less. He made 12M last year and had negative WAR. Maybe if you desperately needed was SS and didn’t wan’t a star. For a team that needs to spend wisely, this would be money poorly spent. Plus we already have too many guys who never walk, and he’s had trouble staying on the field the last few years. A perfect fit!

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I suspect then they would move Drury to third or play first against LHP’s

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

It buys time for a farm product to develop, a one-year prove it contract can pan out at low risk.

steelgolf
Super Member
5 months ago

Why is everyone down on the reporters about Washington’s staff? They got the info from Washington! Like I said before, this was nothing more than Washington’s wish list. The wish list and grand visions of a Coke head. If he gets half of his list, then you should probably be content. He didn’t have these people locked in.

Charles Sutton
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5 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Garbage in garbage out.

JackFrost
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5 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

It wasn’t reported as his wish list, it was reported as these are the new Angels coaches.

Big difference.

steelgolf
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Sloppy reporting. These are the names JHS said right as he was hired and given the job. None of these names were offered a contract yet, or had accepted the offer. So far I have read 2 of them have accepted. They have to talk money, benefits, working conditions, etc., before an agreement and contract is written up. We all know that is not happening within 15 minutes of being announced as the new manager. Goins was the only sure thing as he just retired from playing and wants to start his coaching career and stay in baseball.

angelslogic
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The last city manager where I worked as an officer gave the city a parting gift just before retiring: a new police chief who was incompetent, biased, judgmental, and not at all respected by us or her former department. She caused strife and division and lasted just a few years (I retired one year into her tenure).

Could it be that Perry, who is on the last year of his contract, did just the same: f”ck the team on his way out the door? It feels like it.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Yeah, that would certainly help Perry in getting picked up by another team…..

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Considering that he works in a very exclusive market with only 29 ( 30 if you include MLB offices) other potential employers that might not be the best strategy.
Maybe Perry’s banking on that Rotolo Chevrolet gig taking off?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  steelgolf

Obviously he snorted a few lines and then put this wish list out. Arte probably forced the coke up his nose himself while PTP was struggling cause his tie was caught in his pants zipper.

Christ I get tired of being smarter and just plain better than just about everyone. Don’t you?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 months ago

I guess the Halos didn’t even look at Yamamoto?

Oh yeah, that would incur expenses to fly out a scout or two…what was I thinking?

Mia
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Mia
5 months ago

It is amazing how wrong the initial reporting on Washington’s staff was.

Eric_in_Portland
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5 months ago
Reply to  Mia

surely there’s a story behind it. Who pushed the info? why?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 months ago

Inquiring minds want to know!

Twebur
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5 months ago

Everyone should have waited until the Papal (Manager hire) Conclave is complete….Wait until the smoke clears from the chimney. Right now it’s still the black smoke from the burning tires, which signifies staff is not complete

Mia
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Mia
5 months ago

Let me call up my sources and I’ll get back to ya.

(I’d like to know as well)

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Initial reporting ? You mean one tweet from Bob Nightengale that everyone retweeted like million times?

That aint exactly Pulitzer Prize material.

Mia
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Mia
5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That’s usually how sports reporting goes. It just took a little longer than it should have to be refuted.

There were more legitimate reporters than Nightengale running with his report, that’s what got a lot of us.

Oh well.

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Still think Chili and Hurdle will join the staff even if Tori’s got too much going on just to Coach first base. so 4 out 5 aint bad right?

Mia
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Mia
5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

We shall see…

Brent
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5 months ago

Happy Veterans Day to anyone here who’s served! Hope ya’ll enjoy the long weekend!

Cowboy26
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5 months ago

Well at least 2 of the rumored 5 are confirmed . https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1723391849031737552

Ryan Goins is an interesting hire . He just retired about a month ago but form what I can tell has no tie ins with Wash. He does with PTP though as Perry was Scouting for the Blue Jays when Goins was drafted and ascended through their minor league system.

JackFrost
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5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Funny, but the only two guys I was excited about (Torii and Chili) may not be coming at all (we now know Torri is not coming to coach). Who reported their names to begin with, lol? Some pretty irresponsible journalism if you ask me …

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FungoAle
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5 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

It is a bit odd Angels did not allow the process to work behind the scenes. It was leaked within a hour or so after the Washington announcement for some purpose. Maybe to cushion any flack with the Washington hire by announcing a couple of Angel fan favorites will be added to the coaching staff? To me, felt like when the Lakers hired Frank Vogel, he was forced to take J-Kidd and a couple of others in order to get the job. Ty Lue passed on the arrangement.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

F*** Angels fans and their favorites. I wouldn’t mind if we got Hunter and Davis, but I don’t have any reason to believe they’d be any better than some other guy. It’s not like the web is stuffed with articles about the transformative powers of either as a coach .I’m not sure what I’m supposed to be all that upset about…. accept I guess we’re supposed to always have our mascara running about something around here. Arte is still alive after all.

clover_black
Super Member
5 months ago

torii in spring is gonna be lit. ,already got my hotel booked (westin of course).

MarineLayer
Super Member
5 months ago

Rotoworld reports the following, which makes zero sense unless there is a plan to offload RenDone in place—

According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, the Angels, Diamondbacks and Reds are among the teams that have expressed early interest in free agent infielder Jeimer Candelario.
The Blue Jays have also been connected to Candelario and his agent already this offseason. The 29-year-old had a nice rebound season in 2023 — hitting .251/.336/.471 with career highs of 22 homers, 70 RBI and eight stolen bases in 576 plate appearances between the Nationals and Cubs. With the ability to play both first base and third base, it’s not hard to understand why Candelario has been a hot commodity so far this offseason.

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Or the Angels are going to give alot of at bats to Rendon at DH this year because Ohtani ain’t coming back

MarineLayer
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5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

This is probably correct. I’d rather pay Urshela or Moustakas prices if they’re planning to startRendon at 3B.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Same reason we wanted Urshela. Depth.

steelgolf
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5 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Maybe Rendone is actually Ren Done. Maybe his injury is career ending?

FungoAle
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

For me, it’s hard love with Rendon. He is relegated to the bench as depth, day 1 of Spring training. Let him crush his way off the pine.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Even if they unload Rendon he’s still gonna be out there, making millions, and what ever the guy Rendon reminds you of did to you will still have been done. So it’s all the same to you in the end. And there’s absolutely ways they can sign Candelario and still keep Rendon. It makes far more sense than, say…. hating Rendon like he screwed my wife and set my dog on fire when I’ve never actually met the guy. Or…. never being able to open an internet browser without bringing the guy up.

2002heaven
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5 months ago

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Houston Astros have company!
Where’s my season tickets for the other team?

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FungoAle
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5 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Harbaugh was f-d over.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

Don’t think. Just anger.

Bigbadvlad
Member
5 months ago

Ron Washington? What a joke. Lets get Josh Hamilton for bench coach while were at it. Unless this has to do with Sho Time wanting him, this is by far the lamest hire they could have come up with.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Bigbadvlad

Throttle back a little bit there John Force.

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Bigbadvlad

Oh I’m sure we can come up with some lamier ones.

Mia
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Mia
5 months ago
Reply to  Bigbadvlad

Throw a name out there, o wise one.

Bigbadvlad
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5 months ago
Reply to  Mia

After checking the filter boxes for no cocaine, and no adultury, I’m left woth a list of no less than 98 names, which coincidentally is the current odds maker number for losses next season.
David Ross would do, almost led a Cubs team to the WC last season. big market/payroll.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Bigbadvlad

Wait. this guy did cocaine ten years ago! He’s definitely doing it RIGHT NOW too! I hate that. I are anger! PLUS he adulteried!?! There is no way Jose! No professional baseball men do that! He is scum. We should only have players and managers and coaches who have never cheated before!

By the way, if you think think no one in those 98 names has stuck it in some road hoe or snorted a line or two then I have a time share investment I’d like you to take a look at.

2GA2Join
Super Member
5 months ago

Tucky D signed with the Orioles.

Their march to the WS begins.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
5 months ago

Hey guys!

LanaBanana
Super Member
5 months ago

There is some shady stuff in Washington’s history when he left the Rangers about 10 years ago. Does anyone remember? Something about alleged sexual assault of a reporter? With Arte’s religious and “holier than thou” ways, I’m surprised he went with Washington.

steelgolf
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Oh there is a LOT of shady things Washington was involved in, including failing MLB drug tests, and being put in an MLB drug test program, side girlfriend’s in other cities, as well as accusations that he was seeing prostitutes, etc. No, he is definitely NOT in the Arte mold.

LanaBanana
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Ya, I thought there was more, I just couldn’t remember specifics. I wonder if this means Arte is still planning on selling the team, so he doesn’t care? 🤷🏼‍♀️

steelgolf
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

This is why I refer to him as “JHS” – Josh Hamilton Sr.

LanaBanana
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Ahh.

smithy610
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Haven’t heard about the sexual assault of a reporter, but he quit on the Rangers to focus on personal issues, which he later revealed to him being unfaithful to his wife.

LanaBanana
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  smithy610

Yeah. He was a pretty huge disaster when he left the Rangers. I can only assume, but it sounds like he got his act together after his fall from grace. I mean, he didn’t have any issues as a coach. And I bet he was watched fairly closely by his new employers.

But fck it. I have really low self esteem so I plan to act like he got coked up and beat a hooker half to death last night when ever I feel unhappy.

Mia
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Mia
5 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

I don’t think the sexual assault allegations held any water, best I can find is that it was speculation until the official announcement that he was resigning due to an extramarital affair, and was working to reconcile with his family…

This is all on his Wikipedia page. I’m open to seeing evidence to the contrary. Was he ever interviewed in an investigation? Was there a confirmed accuser? Was there a settlement?

Maybe I see things differently due to losing multiple people close to me to addiction, but all I see is a man who made some very human mistakes, and has put his life back together.

He’s no Josh Hamilton who burned every bridge he had left in the league and then started beating his children.

He appears to be rehabilitated, isn’t that what we want for people with these struggles, that they can put their lives back together and show others it’s possible?

LanaBanana
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I think I sounded more judgmental than I meant to be – at least as far as Washington. I was actually being judgmental towards Arte. 😀

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  LanaBanana

I am trying to figure out how Arte managed to get so many players on the Rangers to use steroids and cocaine and strange quim back in the 2010s. His evil is amazing and slicky.

WallyChuckChili
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5 months ago
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red floyd
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5 months ago

I was hoping for a shot of when Torii put the wall in SF on the 15-day DL.

clover_black
Super Member
5 months ago

cant wait to have torii as 1b coach

halofansince1978
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

Did something new happen in the last hour?

Fansince1971
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5 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

You did see he rejected the position correct?

Fansince1971
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5 months ago

Jeff, I’m not sure if you saw but Torii has already said no to the job. He does not intend to coach for the Angels next year.

https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1722781966494556561#

Last edited 5 months ago by Fansince1971
Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Thanks for posting this for the third time.

Fansince1971
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5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

It’s the first time I posted the Twitter/X ie Jeff Fletcher. Last night I posted another source that I did not trust as much. Jeff J had obviously not seen it and it was relevant to the thread especially as it was in the headline.

Look, it’s pretty clear you don’t like me and I really don’t care, so why don’t we just do each other a favor and not respond to each other’s posts here. I think we can both co-exist on this site without engaging with each other. Agreed?

Last edited 5 months ago by Fansince1971
Eric_in_Portland
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5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That is merely fletcher tweeting about what a cheating liar said so it’s still unreliable

Fansince1971
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5 months ago

I think it’s bigger than P-ski – I don’t think Fletch would publish it if it wasn’t confirmed.

Eric_in_Portland
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5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

But note that Fletch says “apparently”, meaning he hasn’t independently confirmed it

Fansince1971
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5 months ago

I guess we will see but I would guess it’s at least 90% against from what I’ve seen.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

It makes sense. It would be kind of weird for TOrii to interview to manage and then come all the way here as a 1B coach.

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Fletch is just retweeting something that was first posted here yesterday morning.on two other fan posts. I doubt he’s confirmed it with Torii but considering AJ Asshat is Tori’s ex teammate I suspect its valid information .

Not sure why you would think I don’t like you. I don’t even know you enough to make an informed decision. Yet considering you are a long suffering Angel fan like all of us you got to have redeeming qualities right there

I am, however a little concerned about your adopted extreme negativism as of late that has seemed to have clouded your judgement and abilities of rational discernment. I’m just trying to assist to keep it real unless, of course you want to mire in deep misery until the end of time.

Fansince1971
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5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’m not negative not miserable. I think I tend towards being a realist. I’m definitely not a Pollyanna like many on this site.

Honestly, from a reality perspective, I don’t see anything to be positive about with regard to this Organization. It has season-after-season made absolutely horrible decisions leading to significant underperformance while having two generational players on the team.

The big free-agent signings (examples being Pujols, Rendon and Hamilton), the dumpster diving for pitching, the failure to build up the farm, the lack of focus on player development, the focus on marketing versus on-field performance, the elevation of guys like Carpino and Kuhl in the Org despite complete lack of baseball knowledge, elevating college seniors to the big club after basically no time in the minors, the failure to (twice) take advantage of an opportunity to trade Ohtani only to then weaken the farm by trading for players who they released a month later, it goes on and on.

Believe me if I saw anything to be optimistic about, I’d be leading the band. But there is nothing here. It’s a bereft, joke of an Organization. The only person in upper management who has a clue baseball-wise is Perry and he’s an Arte puppet.

That is my “reality” based evaluation putting aside any undue optimism and not being overly pessimistic. I just am calling it as I see it. Nothing will change while Arte is the owner.

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Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Then why do you continue to comment on the team’s menial obligatory off season transactions if it is all a waste of time until the Evil Artegeddon dies or finally sells the team?

Do you like to continue to wallow in this “irrefutable realism” or do you gain some cathartic pleasure of projecting this misery on everyone here including us “Pollyannas”?

Maybe you only reach true enlightenment ’71 until each and everyone us vow to stay away from this site and the Native American burial ground stadium of our cherished franchise until the Wicked Witch is finally dead. Although something tells me that even if that actually occurred you still be back here tomorrow whining about the new strength and condition coach hire.

Fansince1971
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5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Such a ridiculous response. I am entitled to my opinion and am free to state it whether the goal is edification of others or catharsis or something else. This is why I suggested we don’t respond to each other. If I trigger you that is on you, not me. Nothing I have posted is personal to you or attacking you in any manner. I don’t intend any triggering of you. This is a free country and we are allowed to have differing perspectives. In fact, I welcome that.

Rather than responding to my posts with somewhat personal attacks about me, if you choose to respond at all, why not take a contrary position. Argue why you are optimistic. Tell us why you believe the Angels’ future is bright.

Otherwise what you are posting is drivel designed to what – get rid of me? Do you envision a site where everyone thinks similarly and posts in agreement with your viewpoints?

I will keep posting what I believe is a realistic and fair criticism of this Org. Whatever you think my goal is – you are likely off base. I like and respect the truth – and I feel this Org has been full of shit and should be criticized routinely and vocally. If you disagree, post why in a factual response not involving personal or sarcastic attack.

Or better yet, don’t respond at all.

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Ridiculous response? I point out the consistency and hypocrisy of most all of your posts every time there’s an Angel related news story and you think it’s a personal attack of you?

Are you that delusional (and apparently narcissistic ) not to see the fruitlessness of this constant blathering about how bad the organization has been since Arte cashed that Viacom check? Or do you think that you’re the only one here capable of comprehending this coded revelation? I mean these recent correlationsare just so deep. Here’s a sampling:

News Flash The Angels decline options on Escobar and Loup ’71 response it doesn’t matter until Arte sells the team because He stupidly signed Pujols Hamilton and Rendon

New Flash: The Angels extend Ohtani a QO
.’71 response: It doesn’t matter until Arte sells the team because the farm system sucks.

News Flash: The Angels Hire Ron Washington.
’71 response: It doesn’t matter until Arte sells the team because Perry is his whipping boy

News Flash : The Angels are rumored to hire 5 coaches including ex Angels Hunter & Davis
’71 response: it doesn’t matter until Arte Sells the team because he hired his old billboard buddies Carpino & Kuhl over a decade ago.
I cant wait for your impactful response on Friday when the Angels tender ( or not tender) contracts to their 6 arbitration eligible players

These regurgitated script posts( what I would call drivel) are as if you recently awakened from some multi year hibernation with the realization that every scintilla of hope that you have ever experienced as an Angel fan was just an abject lie.Too bad you didnt have this epiphany and disown the team years ago when it was it was just your obsession, Nolan Ryan, and hisrotation partner FrankTanana with a bunch of replacement level stiffs that Autry and and his drinking buddy Harry Dalton dredged up from the garbage heap each year. Those were some pretty damn bleak teams.

Look dude I don’t hate you and I’m really not even trying to insult you despite your accusations to the contrary. but at least try to post something interesting and insightful regarding the news at hand and our upcoming season. I definitely try evaluate every event since it really .isnt some binary switch of either all good or all bad. Sometimes I’m critical of the front office’s decisions sometimes I’m actually in agreement with the their moves. Still other times I may change my position as I learn from the wisdom of others on this site or from time itself.

Try analyzing the moment and its impact to the team the next time you post something. It might even be meaningful enough that I could actually learn something from you.

Fansince1971
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5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Dude – none of your news flashes are worth a hill of beans. Torii is not coming here. Chili is not coming here. Washington hasn’t managed for 10 years. Ohtani is leaving. Escobar and Loup are replacement level-minus. There is nothing here worth optimism or even commentary.

I’ll try for something you might like – I’m excited to see Neto, Schanuel and O’Hoope’s 2024 seasons. That’s all I got.

I’m not sure what there is to learn here. It’s the same thing for the last decade.

And one last thing. I’ve done plenty of analysis on this site. As one example, I published multiple articles with my analysis last off-season, including one begging for the trade of Ohtani as well as Ward and I think putting together a pretty good plan to improve the team.What I got back, generally from the site was you can’t trade Ohtani and that Ward is untradeable as well. I would say that I’ve done a lot of analyzing on the site and usually I get back pure emotion – you can’t do this or that. So if you look back, I’ve shared a lot of analysis over the years.

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Fansince1971
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5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

As my alleged narcissism got me to go back and check, I noticed that you, Cowboy, have no IIWPM analysis articles and actually no fan posts. You seem to enjoy most tearing down others. You’re a bully and I have loved taking on bullies in my career. Bring it on!

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’ve read most all of your IIWPM and other postings here before. Back when I believe you actually put some thought into your writings. If something didnt make sense to me (ie if the proposed trades did not IMO improve the team) I commented on it as I have done on other IIWPM posts as well. Despite your accusations, this is not me deriving some form of joy in “tearing others down”. I do not discount the time and effort people put into these posts ( Although I’m sure the authors really enjoyed putting these together),but if the whole purpose of this series is trying to improve the overall ballclub under a limited theoretical budget and the end result IMO doesn’t do that then, why, would I (or anyone else for that matter) not post that reply? 
Relative to why I have not posted my own IIWPM, Despite your inferences that this is some worthy rite of passage, as I have discussed this before, I believe the exercise is pointless. Because:

  • We don’t know what the upcoming season’s established budget is 
  • We have no clue regarding previous discussions that the current Arte Stooge has had with other teams’ GM’s may have had concerning player availability and their teams needs.
  • We don’t know what the desires of available free agents are such as where their wife wants them to live
  • The Trade simulator that many seem to e worship here seems warped IMO regarding player trade values

Relative to our current spat, I think I see how you operate now. 
If Someone actually disagrees with your redundant lamentings (or in this case your daily postings of Anti Arte Boycott campaign reminders and illogical non sequiturs) you automatically label them a bully. 
Ingenious if you think about it

So who really is the one here trying to dominate the site?

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Man you’re clueless.

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PedroCerrano
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5 months ago

It’s a production business and despite the hype he has never been a good or average MLB player. Sometimes I watch him and think wow…other times I question why he was ever a high level prospect. IMHO we are going to see fewer high swing and miss guys in the MLB especially guys with lower OBP.

BannedInLA
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Perry isn’t wrong.

It also seems fairly obvious that the team isn’t going to pencil him in as a starter heading into 2024. Man, our OF is thin:

Trout – Declining & oft-injured

Ward – Mediocre 2023 and coming off a horrific HBP.

Moniak – Flash in the pan or legit starter?

Adell – Below league average to this point.

They will absolutely need to acquire a proven veteran this offseason, pitching woes notwithstanding.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Watch. They’ll use Rengifo the Super-Ute.

BannedInLA
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

If forced to wager, Rengifo is a safer bet to post decent numbers in 24’ than Adell, Moniak and possibly Ward.

Yeah, we’re Kate Moss in the 90’s
thin in the OF.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Charles Sutton

They’ll also likely sign some guy like Cardinals/A’s era Steven Piscotty as well.

2GA2Join
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I think we are very thin at every position. The only thing this team is solid at is #4-#5 starters.

halofansince1978
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

And without Ohtani our pitching staff consists of 5 or 6 4th or 5th starters.

2GA2Join
Super Member
5 months ago

Indeed. That is my estimation, and I’m serious.

It is because our guys took a huge step back this year.

Anderson was “expected” to be much better… not as good as his walk year, but better than he was this year.
Sandy struggled.
Detmers took a step back.
Canning isn’t quite fully back yet.
Barria struggled.
Suarez struggled.

Cowboy26
Legend
5 months ago

But we only need 5 starting pitchers not 6 so at least there’s that.

2GA2Join
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

True.
… but if Perry fields 5 #4 starters as our starting rotation then, well, this is going to be another rough year…  😀 

halofansince1978
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Vairy long couple (few) years…Halo Power Baby!!!

BannedInLA
Super Member
5 months ago

For all this talk of needing to improve his defense, the real issue is his .200 batting average and almost 40% K rate.

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
5 months ago

Jo was looking pretty good to me after his stint at SLC until his injury.

MarineLayer
Super Member
5 months ago

Torii was an awesome OF. I forgot how good he was until I watched that highlight reel.

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2GA2Join
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

As I watched it I wished somehow he would spend a lot of time working with Adell….

MarineLayer
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

He would pair nicely with Wash who is an IF defense specialist.

h27kim
Trusted Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Also durable. When we signed him, I was deathly worried that he might not stay good for the entire contract, but it turned out that he was good for the entire length of the deal and more. That’s something we haven’t had since….

MarineLayer
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

He was absolutely one of my favorite Angels ever. A great signing.

2GA2Join
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Sometimes when people here seem to state that Arte “always makes terrible FA signings” we should remember people like Vlad and Hunter.

I sure didn’t mind that Arte signed those two, and I hope he’ll do it again. That’s why I’m not necessarily against Arte signing big FAs.

I remember when Semien was available, and I wished we’d sign him. I don’t think Texas regrets shelling out big dough for him and Seager right now.

FungoAle
Super Member
5 months ago

Wondering about the Washington – Hurdle connection, he did serve as the Rangers hitting coach under Washington in 2010 before taking the Pirates job the following season. Hurdle had turned down a chance to be a hitting coach under then Padres manager Jayce Tingler a few years back

I’ve always thought Hurdle did a good job while in Pittsburgh despite the record. Resource constrained. Liked his fire and I like this if it materializes.

Cowboy26
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5 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

He also did an amazing job getting the Rockies to the World Series in 2007. Unfortunately Hurdle’s record every other year was pretty sad.

He’s alot like Nevin. Uber prospect that crashed in burned in his MLB debut so he had to reinvent himself as a super utility player.

I faintly remember him on the cover of Sports Illustrated proclaiming him the next Mickey Mantle which probably was the KOD

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FungoAle
Super Member
5 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah, as a player, pretty forgetful after all the draft hype on him. Also, far from a great manager, had his bad fortune of personal issues but he just always reminded me of a fighter.