OK. The Jarred Kelenic dugout meltdown has an ignominious finish. He broke his foot and is on the injured list for a while. I guess that makes him the Cooler King.
Not only is Arte Moreno indifferent to the idea of trading Ohtani, he gets down right pissed off when people bring it up. Suddenly Jon Heyman says the Dodgers are still in on the Ohtani sweepstakes.
This day starts the last full week before the trade deadline What fun awaits us as we count down toward Perry’s often anti-climactic trade moves.
The Braves claimed a right hander named Yonny Chirinos from the Rays off waivers. Meanwhile the Rays outrighted Javy Guerra to Triple-A. It looks like they are planning some moves. Roider Andy Pettite joined the Yankees as an advisor.
Corey Seager is on the ten day IL with a thumb strain.
Former big league first baseman Mike Ivie passed away on Friday.
Photo credit: Rex Fregosi
Yea, Kelenic broke his foot kicking the water cooler, but the same day Ryan Noda of the A’s had a pre-game ground ball kick up and hit him in the jaw, knocking him down. During the game, he doubled and homered, then found out his jaw was broken: 10 day.
Kelenic: idiot
Noda: badass
Why doesn’t Perry just ask Shohei whether or not he’s going to resign with the Angels? Has anyone actually asked Shohei what he wants to do? My wife just asked me this and I stuttered and stammered about “just wants to focus on baseball’ yada yada …. then I thought … maybe no one has asked him straight up. Why not ask him?!!
If Shohei stays, are we buyers? Pitching? We need relief arms badly.
I think that is the calculation. Sellers = we trade Shohei (and whoever else can fetch a reward). Buyers (fingers crossed) = we need a SP and 1-2 relievers.
Does anyone other than me assess the Ohtani situation as maybe the craziest thing we have ever seen?
Shohei Ohtani says that he has not been contacted by the Angels.
Is he referring to his management team or to himself, big difference.
So why are the Angels not begging for him to return, are they really that willing to roll the dice on making the playoffs and get nothing in return?
Has Shohei Ohtani asked for a big extension now or when he signed for 30 mil per?
I have not read anything like the Angels turning down his request(s).
So why is it that Ohtani’s “people” have not asked for the extension, they too are waiting for the playoff invite? Then we could be out of luck in the end result.
To trade or roll the dice?
Shohei in half a season will make Arte more money on the ledger.
Arte is not getting any younger, so what does he give a shit about a return for Shohei.
Fans show up by the thousands when the team is home just to see Shohei = more money.
I don’t believe for one minute that Shohei Ohtani will be traded. He’s SHOTIME!
Why trade Shohei,
Get the right “truckload” and in a couple 2-3 years we are in the Playoffs. Attendance will suffer, Ad Revenue will suffer, Fans will suffer, and Arte’s legacy will suffer.
Arte Moreno is really pretty stupid for a soon to be Billionaire, is he not. Hell, the McCourt’s were even dumber, and they walk with a boatload of dough after dismantling the Dodgers and that included Vero Beach. But hiring the wrong people and putting them in the wrong cubicle was his biggest downfall. Living off of the team’s cash flow at a big paycheck for his friends and family drove him to screw this whole thing up.
Arte always makes the wrong moves, I mean always.
Arte is not trading Shohei or his 2 months of revenue, he won’t own the team very much longer, he will take whatever is not nailed down.
BTW, I think we should trade Shohei for a good haul in player’s including some prospects, I certainly would like to see another WS Victory.
I would find it very hard to believe that the Angels don’t occasionally check in with Ohtani’s agents. Ohtani himself may not communicate, seemingly because he “just wants to play baseball” right now.
Which would be within his personality.
As for the Angels. I’m sure they are very diligent about respecting Ohani’s wishes by not broaching his future with him directly right now.
And we’ve seen in the past where very little, if any, information gets out about the Angels plans.
We all believe that contacting Shohei directly is not happening, but the question was broached because last week Shohei said “the Angels have not contacted me”. As far as the Angels are concerned, mums the word or lose your job.
Do you believe that he will or won’t be traded and why?
Obviously only speculation…with a dash of hope…but I think he won’t be traded. And furthermore, I think he re-signs after flirting with other teams.
I think his desire for routine and familiarity, as well as his intense loyalty, keeps him in Anaheim.
Additionally, I think he sees the Angels do have some good young talent that is showing this year they can play at the major league level. Which bodes well for consistent playoff contention.
Provided…Arte allows PM to improve the roster at this upcoming deadline and in FA after the season.
Would love to see a trade for local pitcher Giolito, then sign him after the season.
But ultimately, I think Ohtani stays.
But then again, I had fish and chips for dinner tonight.
Little bit of good news from outside town scoreboard (as Terry Smith would say). Both Guardians and Mariners lost. If we have Blue Jays lose tonight, that would be ideal, putting Angels back at 3.5 GB WC3.
“Out of town” – or does he accidentally botch it?
Touche! That is definitely due to glitch in my brain matter.
It’s all good. My brain hears him saying “it’s troutta here” when trout hits a homer, but there’s no way he’s actually saying something stupid like that.
(Insert replies where people think I’m serious below)
I like his steady voice, but I do hear additional subtle enthusiasm in his voice especially when Moniak or Neto does something fantastic. With Sho’s homerun, he adds ho-hum “It’s a Sho-Time tonight”. 😉
I do too. Very good delivery, lets the game breathe on its own without the need to fill the gaps with nonsense.
Dbacks and Orioles are checking in on Ohtani
PTP should go hard on the Orioles – ask for Kjerstad, Ortiz, Mayo, and Seth Johnson. That remakes the infield and gives one more young OF to get ready for Trout’s eventual decline (and Ward leaving?). Also gives a close-enough-to-the-majors RHP.
Sell the Orioles that this year is their best chance at a championship, before the Red Sox and Yankees reload. Ohtani may very well leave but flags fly forever.
Yes, I may be high on whatever, but who isn’t at this point?
We need pitching.
Yes I also prefer pitching. But the 3 out of the 4 are top 100 prospects, from the current best farm system. Mayo will replace Rendon for good, and Ortiz will stabilize 2B, and finally do away with Fletcher/Rengifo combo. That’s a good, young solid infield of Mayo-Neto-Ortiz that will be together for years to come. Kjerstad will play well in RF, then Moniak gets CF permanently and Trout moves back to his Trout Farm part of the field.
Yeah but we need pitching
We need everything.
Pretend for a moment that you own the Orioles. You have a core to start winning long term finally, are you after all these years of losing, going to trade for 2 months? Now maybe the Dodgers, Giants, Padres, Mariners, Cubs, Mets, Yankees, will mortgage the future for a chance to win now and sign him up long term.
Flags fly forever. Perennial playoff contenders don’t. Just ask the Rays.
If Ohtani is the last missing piece to push them over the top, will the Orioles really regret those two months for a long-term future they won’t know how will look like? Ask the Raptors if they would redo the Kawahi Leonard trade if they knew he wouldn’t have signed with them in the offseason.
And it’s not like the Orioles will be completely decimated. They still have Rutschman, Henderson, Cowser and Holliday, all young, all will be together for a long time. That’s still a heck of a core.
If it’s the Orioles, I would like to see Henderson, Rodriguez, and Mayo.
Henderson or Mayo…one can play 3B. the other OF, Rodriguez could be a potential ace.
Mayo could maybe play 1B.
Out-of-the-box, but then move Rendon to 2B.
Hey Guys who you to prefer to WIN Texas or Houston. Should we give up the idea of division
I am rooting for Texas. I have given up on the division.
Texas by far, I really dislike the Asstros.
Neither
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Giant meteor?
Dual franchise contraction mid-game to re-even out the team count?
Looks like it’s going to be a good football game between two Texas teams. After only 2 series, early in the first quarter, Texas had a safety and Houston had a field goal. Then Texas had an immediate fumble at Houston 29 yard line, so Houston has a chance to score here.
Over and under for this game was 9, but the first quarter is not done yet. Sorry for the people who bet under. Texas scored a field goal. Both teams defense suck today.
Houston sac fly x 2 after loaded bases with no out, playing fundamental baseball. Impressive. Can we have Angel batters to drink the tea brewed with Houston players fingernail goops?
Now Texas leading by a field goal after they got two runs by bases loaded walk x 2 and one sac fly. BTW, did you know that Angels are third best in MLB for sac fly with 31. Who knew?
Houston McCormick just kicked 63 yard field goal. After huge interception committed by Aroldis Chapman. The game is now tied, going into the 4th quarter.
Asstros win by walk off extra point kick with grounder base hit to the right field. I think that they will be tied for division lead by Wednesday.
Sammy is in Detroit. I wonder what he is up to.
https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1683552816642629632
As lot of you may know, Elon Musk renamed Twitter as X.com. Today may be the last time we might see the little blue bird moniker.
Getting into town to start work tomorrow
No doubt he’s finding new and improved ways to piss off ownership, front office and the coaching staff.
My prediction:
Shohei will not be traded but, bafflingly, Either Neto or Moniak will. More likely it’ll be Neto. Why? Because Perry. Or it could be Jo.
Additionally we’ll trade away one of either Moore or Sheen. Why? See above.
The return will be some intriguing prospects but no help for 2023.
I repeat, this is a prediction, to be considered as reliable as anything else we’re reading these days
What a doomer mentality. Sheesh. Take some copium ffs
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or maybe some of KPAngels hopium.
I can’t see that scenario at all.
If we’re keeping Ohtani this year and beyond, we’ll need cost controlled players like Moniak & Neto.
Conversely, if we’re trading Ohtani and thus rebuilding, we’ll need….you guessed it, cost controlled players like Moniak & Neto.
What is this ? April 1st?
What possible reason would there be to trade a price controlled SS with promise? Particularly with no one really to take his place?
Why trade Marsh, who’s outproducing Renfroe and Ward?
But the more I think about it the more I think it will be Adell
Marsh has come back to earth:
.279 BA
.358 OBP
.456 SLG
18 Doubles
6 Triples
7 HR
37 RBI
36 BB
102 SO
287 AB’s
Solid to be sure, but his first month was MVP level.
Ward’s numbers:
.251 BA
.335 OBP
.408 SLG
17 Doubles
0 Triples
12 HR
41 RBI
38 BB
75 SO
338 AB’s
Marsh’s numbers are a bit better, plus he plays a solid CF, but Ward has been better this month and oh, we got a starting Catcher out of the deal.
I’d add that Marsh has a higher strike out rate than Mike Trout and doesn’t hit for enough power to justify it.
The decision about whether to trade Ohtani is tougher to make than any other player. That’s not only because of the uniqueness of his playing ability, but also for his ability to generate both gate and advertising revenue that is unique to him. As a business, the Angels are presumably more profitable with Ohtani than without him even if they didn’t win more games (think about all of the Japanese advertisements). I assume the excess revenue makes up for Ohtani’s salary although I don’t know that for a fact, but Perry certainly has some idea. It’s a calculation that goes beyond wins and losses and should affect any return they get in the trade.
i like watching Ohtani play and will not be upset if I still see him in an Angels uniform after August 1. I also understand the value of controllable players. The only thing i would be upset about is if the return for Ohtani is too light.
Therein lies the problem. As a fan, I want the Angels to be a winning baseball team. I don’t care if they are a good business or a bad business. Let’s win! Winning rocks! Too bad the owner has different priorities! 😃
Angels sign Odor who goes on to have the game-winning hit to knock out the Rangers out of the playoffs and advance the Angels to the World Series.
On off day, CtPG has already exceeded 230 posts. That is pretty impressive. I would like to add this LA Times article for your reading pleasure.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/story/2023-07-10/shohei-ohtani-angels-curse-2024-team
I actually posted this 45 minute long Q&A session translation before ASG. I distinctly remember this question of “Do you believe in curses?” Now, I found out that the question came from Dylan Hernandez, LA Times reporter. His Japanese was perfectly pronounced as native speaker, so I thought it was posed by Japanese reporter.
I surmise that Hernandez was attempting to trick Sho by asking that question in Japanese because it was supposed to be time for English speaking media to ask questions after Japanese reporters asked mostly non baseball related questions like what kind of color he likes or what time he wakes up in the morning. Since Ippei was not needed for Japanese media, Ippei was not there, and he answered “Do nandesu kane”. Which, Hernandez translated as “I wonder.”
While Hernandez is not totally wrong by translating it that way, I would also translate that answer as “I do not know how to answer that” or “I have no idea”. Hernandez whole tone of the article is that Sho should not be playing for cursed Angels and should play for another team (probably Dodgers is what he wanted to imply).
I also remember the questioning was immediately cutoff by another American reporter asking something about Seattle and Ippei started translating.
So how do you say ” Well thats a shocker” in Japanese?
I thought about it for a while and could not come up with one, especially that with sarcasm. To make up for the deficit, here is a YouTube clip that shows Sho of 8 years ago, 3rd year in NPB. Unfortunately, it is entirely in Japanese, but you get to view his parents in the clip. Cliff note version:
-Father played non-professional baseball. Mother played competitive badminton. Older brother played baseball, and older sister played volleyball. Sho used to play catch with his mom, who threw decent fastball.
-Mom, when asked what Sho was like as a child, mentioned that he often spent more than 12 hours a day sleeping.
-When asked what else he did for hobby other than baseball, Sho answered there was nothing else to do since Iwate was in the sticks.
-His birth weight was 3.4kg (7lb 6oz). He was 5′ 7″ when he entered 7th grade, the parents were afraid that he might surpass 2 meter (6′ 7″) and was relieved that he stopped growing at 6′ 4″.
-His high school ordered a special desk for him because of his height. His home room teacher was an assistant coach for his baseball team.
-His parents were impressed that Sho was able to turn on his competitive switch during baseball games from his youth.
https://youtu.be/ie-s-vjIv9I
BULLETIN BOARD FODDER (LOOKIE HERE, JACK) – this guy just JINXED THE TIGERS!
Bert K (3 hours ago)
There you go! Now lets sweep the Angels. It’s doable.
source: https://www.blessyouboys.com/2023/7/24/23805765/game-100-detroit-tigers-vs-san-francisco-giants-1-10-p-m?commentID=60fe8d6b-3eba-466e-a7db-499d84a0f00f
The Angels’ OPS Leaders in June (min 40 PA):
• Shohei Ohtani – 1.081
• Luis Rengifo – 1.062
• Taylor Ward – 1.061
• Mickey Moniak – .917
https://twitter.com/swillysports/status/1683600439894491138?t=z6HEN7RN4ebL6_PuMKw_sw&s=19
I think thats pretty good right?
yeah, decent
Some people here may gasp at Rengifo on that list.
This is actually for July, not June.
Ah, nice catch ! I copied it straight from Twitter and assumed July
Im assuming that if the FO determines the Angels are buyers, that SP will be the main target.
Do we have any prospects that the White Sox would like for either Giolito or Cease? The only one I can think of really is Quero. All the good Angels prospects are now in the majors and contributing to the team.
Anyone the White Sox might want to do a salary dump on, so Perry doesnt need to give up prospects?
We will get Verlander
Verlander + Senga + Eppler for Rendone + Perry
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And Cohen for Arte + cash considerations.
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Adell?
I think Adell would fetch next to nothing for Adell at this point. We’re better off holding onto him and hoping that he rounds into a solid MLB player. He’s basically an impressive looking athlete that’s proven little else at this level.
Imagine selling low & dealing him for next to nothing and THEN he goes “Mickey Moniak” for another team.
Yes but would Adell fetch anything for Adell?
Haha
That’s what I get for not proofreading.
“This is our contract offer. It’s heavily incentive-based because of your age, injury history, and less than phenomenal statistical performance. Take it or leave it. And we hope you leave it and don’t you dare try using us as leverage for your next contract if you don’t accept this because we will make it clear to the world that we have no interest in you if you try to. We eill make a mockery out of you.”
At least none of that will actually happen.
You forgot “if the player wants to be an angel, he’s gonna be an angel”
“And we will make sure the book is out on you for the entire world about all your weaknesses as a hitter and as a pitcher.” -Angry Arte
thats a new one.
🚬 🤢 🍃
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…..you have 5 minutes to accept.
“More like negative 5 minutes because we have already decided that we don’t want you and we are only offering this to go through the motions and to be able to say that we offered you something. Now take your 11 lousy SB and get out of my office- *now*.” -Angry Arte
who are you?
Fan is short for fanatic
A lot of what hurts us about trading Ohtani is our long history as Angels fans. If we weren’t so long suffering it would be easy to trade him and say goodbye. Had the Angels won a WS with Trout during the 2010s, would we still be so stressed? How much of this is the fact that Ohtani will cash in another MVP donning an Angels uniform and forever we have another trophy for the case? Another mural?
…..or it’s simply a matter of Shohei being the best player in the history of the game and he’s incredibly exciting.
Or he gives us an extra roster spot
Or he’s a badass who makes Chuck Norris shake his head
In other non-Ohtani trade news (there’s still those, right?), Angels look to solve their pitching woes.
Is there going to be a change from Matt Wise soon? If you ask the players, and they have their way, it’s a big resounding NO:
The offense has kept the Angels afloat, despite absences from Trout, Drury and Ohtani. Hopefully, the pitching side holds up their end of the bargain, as they enter this crucial stretch.
https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/24/angels-searching-for-improvement-from-pitching-staff-after-encouraging-2022/
Absences from Ohtani? The dude who leads the club in games played and is top 15 in AB’s in the majors?
Corporate media is beyond Shiite. Wether it’s sports or any other topic.
Sorry, I meant to type Rendon. But all of this Ohtani talk made me type his name instead
Snap. I thought it was a direct copy & paste from a media story. I stand by my previous critique of corporate media nonetheless.
Shohei is a throwback, tough as Rocky’s Balboa turds. When is the last time you have seen him beg out? Some folks here believe in load management but not Shohei Ohtani.
Who is Rocky? And what are Balboa turds?
*absences from Trout, Drury and Rendon. Not Ohtani
No one is to blame. Everything is awesome.
How about the banning of the shifts effect on ERA?
The effect of the pitch clock?
Banning shifts was addressed in the article and quoted above
The increase in ERA across the league can also be attributed to pitch clocks, i assume.
thanks – small screen + small brain = me
Detroit Tigers
— W2
— 4-2 in last 6 games
— 7-4 after ASB
We gotta bring it to win this series on the road against an opponent playing some good baseball.
So youre saying were screwed this week and we have the Blue jays right after that?
We mustTrade Ohtani NOW.
I think we get more if we trade Squid!
No doubt, gotta knock off the f-ing around. These are going to be some good, tough games and need to be ready to go. Would like to see the non-starters up on the rails chirping. No fraternizing with the opponents.
the energy needs to be UP!
playoff games in July, let’s get it
Yes – I make sure the stadium emcee uses the “MAKE SOME FUCKING NOISE” prompts about 3x of a normal game. Otherwise it’s another social event for people as opposed to a raging maniacal fanatical playoff run experience
That includes 3-1 vs the Royals. The Angels should win the series. The problem is the Angels really need a sweep, because the Tigers and Mets are the only two series the Angels have against sub-.500 teams until September.
it includes 2-1 vs SEA, 3-1 vs KC, and 2-2 vs SD/SF
Tigers are playing quite well and and beating good teams. Taking 2/3 from them in Detroit would be a fine result — a sweep would be even better.