LA Angels Weekend News Crash: End of the Offseason

Welcome Halo faithful to the last weekend links of the 2024-2025 offseason. By the time I sit at my computer to type up next weekend’s edition pitchers and catchers will already be working out. There’s a certain romance to reporting day with baseball that doesn’t exist in other sports. We know spring and summer are coming; that the familiar routine of baseball is on the horizon.

And just as camps open, Angels GM Perry Minasian came through with a nice addition to the infield. Yoan Moncada, welcome aboard.

Moncada is a 29 year old switch hitter who is capable of playing multiple positions but is most likely ticketed for third base. His talent is undeniable but injuries have plagued him in recent years. For $5 million on a one year deal this is a great signing.

For those of you who perhaps took a breather over the off season, here’s what you need to know as camps open. I will post a series of storylines to follow over the next two weeks as well.

We have 15 days until the Angels take the field in their first Cactus League game. Here is their full schedule. I already have game threads for the full AZ slate scheduled and look forward to actually chatting baseball with you folks soon.

The beauty of the Cactus League is that 15 teams train in the metropolitan area. Here’s a map of the locations and a master schedule for the league.

For those of you who have not attended Spring Training, you need to get out there. Next year isn’t promised to any of us and life can change in an instant. If you want tips on planning a trip, ready my musings over the years or contact me and I’ll try to help. I’m already counting down the days until I’m sitting in the Arizona sun next to my dad watching a ballgame.

About the only other notable news out of Anaheim is the team staying put through 2032.

For those of us trying to read the tea leaves for meaning behind the extension, the AP goes into more detail. With a $4 billion redevelopment taking place across the way at the Honda Center the stadium’s location is likely going to be even more desirable. But with no plans in place to build a new one, the extension simply gives both sides more time to figure out a plan.

Or perhaps sell. Last time Arte marketed the team for sale he had several looming questions. The Ohtani question is now resolved (ugh) and this seems to take care of the stadium portion for the time being. With options the lease can run all the way through 2028. Next up is the Tyler Skaggs wrongful death lawsuit which heads to trial on July 1st.

Perhaps this is wishful thinking, but not only is the team set up to rebuild with $105 in salary falling off the books the next two years, it is looking like it is nicely positioned to sell once the Skaggs suit is resolved.

In actual baseball news, Angels prospects enjoyed a day at the Big A learning from team alumni.

Speaking of Angels prospects, get to know them as they head to camp. Fangraphs has updated their 2025 prospect list for the Angels and is my favorite prospect list. Look at all those ETA’s of 2025 to 2027 and keep a close eye on those players in camp and through the minor league season.

Angels top prospect Christian Moore is among the prospects who will be in Tempe. These guys will get some looks early in camp then sent to minor league camps.

From around baseball:

Ippei was sentenced to 57 months in federal prison for gambling away about $17 million of Ohtani’s money. I’m sure he’ll start knocking down that $17 million in restitution the day he gets out. Maybe he can defer the payments until another lifetime.

The off season’s Rachel and Ross finally did what Rachel and Ross do and got back together. Boras blinked first and this has to come as an L for Team Scott as the Polar Bear turned down a $158 million extension offer two years ago.

Former Angels Gold Glove centerfielder and malcontent Jim Edmonds ripped the Cardinals for not being fun.

Edmonds might be on to something as the Cardinals current Gold Glove third baseman thinks a trip to the East Coast would be fun.

For now, let’s wrap up this column by watching the arrival of a championship caliber team to camp.

Enjoy your weekend and link what I missed. I think KC threepeats but wouldn’t be surprised if the Eagles rushing attack is able to win the day. Either way, about the time New Orleans hoses the sidewalks off pitchers and catchers will be reporting to camps across the country.

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Twebur
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1 month ago

Philly OL and DL CO-MVP. 

Let the riots in Philly commence 

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Hope they greased their poles.

Angelz4ever
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

There was a football game today?

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I think at the Kendrick Lamar concert? Serena was there so maybe it was a tennis match.

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago

Blowouts are boring, but nice to see the Chiefs humbled.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

Some of Patrick’s shitty flop passes were the best shitty flop passes ever thrown badly goodly. He’s just amazing. Has anyone ever been so shimmering with glory while getting their ass handed to them in the Superbowl? Very Jeter.

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago

It was never as close as the final line will make it seem. 40-6 at one point.

I think they lost some of that shimmering glory tonight.

Definitely drops him out of the GOAT convo. Brady never lost like this.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago

LFG CHIEFS

Complete the 3-peat and then it’s time for baseball

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Gotta root for the underdog. Go birds!

halofansince1978
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

For Trout!!

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago

For Sparta!

Angelz4ever
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

For Narnia!

red floyd
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

For the glory of the Klingon Empire!!!

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  red floyd

Nerd.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Alrighty, this game is over lol. Baseball season!

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Whole lotta football to play

TapatioMan
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1 month ago

Random: This upcoming draft, my first thought was we HAVE to get the best position player available. It was so easy to fall in love with LF or Holliday (I prefer elite inf over COF btw, all other things equal). And maybe one of those two guys is the correct choice at the end of the day.

However, after some further thought, I’m not so sure anymore.

There are different philosophies on how to build clubs, and I have always been on the pitching train. I am 100% pitching over pos. players. So, maybe Arnold, Bremner, or Hernandez, etc. should be the pick. Some people will argue that our organization doesn’t have the skills to develop these pitchers, but I think that’s somewhat overstated. Yes, a high-class developmental staff is more likely to get more out of their players, but I also believe that there are certain players that will be successful in spite of the player development they are given.

An exaggerated example to prove a point: Would a 18-20 year old Trout suck if he was put on a team that was clueless w/regards to player development, or is that player just simply good enough in spite of the shit situation they are put in?

In my personal opinion, I’d rather have a team with strong pitching than anything else. If our best way to have elite pitching is to draft one of them at #2 this coming draft, then we should do it.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

My love for Bremner is simply because he’s a fellow UCSB alum lol.

Holliday or LaViolette pleaseeeee. Holliday completes the infield!

C – O’Hoppe, 1B – Schanuel, 2B – Moore, SS – Neto, 3B – Holliday 😍😍😍

Last edited 1 month ago by Pineapple12
grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Dare we dream of a stud generational 3B?

Pineapple12
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1 month ago

Dallas McPherson, Brandon Wood, Anthony Rendone … all the pain and suffering at that position will be redeemed by drafting Ethan Holliday.

Cowboy26
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That UCLA Shortstop we drafted years ago turned out to be pretty good at third base.

MH252525
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

All the 3B pain could have been ended if Arte didn’t hire an inept intern that couldn’t even get to the Winter Meetings on time.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Not where we are drafting. Maybe our second pick

red floyd
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1 month ago

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halofansince1978
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Agree…we need pitching most of all.

FungoAle
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1 month ago

Per Fangraphs, Angels only have zero (0) legit 3rd basemen in the farm and only two OF in the Top 25 Halo prospects; No. 4 Rada (will not be a big run producer) and a 17-year old at No. 25. Unless, Perry crowbars some of these Dominican shortstops into other positions, I‘d say the Angels position of need is clearly right here.

Cowboy26
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

And look how many College and prep pitchers that end up as failures or are delayed in development that are drafted in the first round even in the earlier Unless we have a cant miss project like a Paul Skenes type available I would be reluctant given our history. I mean look at May Meyer, Asa Lacy, Kumar Rocker Jack Leiter , Jackson Jobe or Cade Horton .all first round top 10 pitchers drafted from 2020 thru 2022. All dominated college baseball only to have their MLB careers stall in the minors or have been diminished by injuries.

There is a reason why pitching is such a premium and I dont have faith in this organization that they can draft it effectively at the top of the draft. We’re better off hoping they hit in the later rounds or with taking a flyer on a prep kid in the teen rounds with a scrounged together signing bonus

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

Come June-July, the picture will be more clear. For me, unless there is a Paul Skenes type of an arm breakthrough (80 Fastball, 70 slider), picking from the no.2 slot, I’m going impact player and I’m on LaViolette or Holiday. Who ever falls. Eager to watch college baseball this year and see how LaViolette cleans up his swing and miss knock on him.

BBA states this years draft pool is average, not as good as last year or 2023 and not that many impact players. Chase Burns and Hagen Smith from a year ago had more electric stuff than Bremner and Arnold but Hernandez projects as well as Jackson Jobes who has the best projectable frame of the three arms you mentioned. For me, at No. 2, it’s got to be a generational arm. Damn, sure would like a Skenes.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Precisely. And it’s much easier to acquire an impact OF than franchise cornerstone at 3rd. Holliday is the move (if avaliable at #2)

Kevin
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1 month ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

I would like the top arms available if they were guys with bigger frames and more ability to throw hard for many years without potential arm issues. But we will see.

milehigh
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1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin

I can’t imagine why we can’t predict who these guys are years ahead of time. How hard can it be? /s

” According to data published in the report as per David Adler of MLB.com, there have been 191 ulnar collateral ligament surgeries at the major league level over the past five seasons (2020-2024) with another 1,026 at the minor league level.”

Pitcher Injuries Crisis Extends Well Beyond Major League Baseball

TapatioMan
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1 month ago

I’m not sure what the consensus was here for the Flaherty signing, but I 100% would’ve matched the contract he received*. Not only is this team short on a proven SP or two, we could use all the trade bait we can get, especially on short term deals w/o NTC’s.

*I am aware that us matching his contract does not guarantee his services.

Even if he didn’t perform well, his strikeout % with Det last year and previous success with the Cardinals would be enough to bring in at least 1 decent prospect. Worst case scenario pay out the deal and still not mess up the clean payroll slate for 2027. Need to “buy” prospects/depth/regulars somehow.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

The consensus was he would have never agreed to play in Anaheim.

Kevin
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1 month ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

I’m not a huge Flaberty guy. I get the sense he either has or will have arm problems.

TapatioMan
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1 month ago

Random, but: I hate the Hendricks signing. It’s cheap, yes, but does the FO really expect him to be good?

And if he is “good”, haven’t we seen already (especially recently) that teams do not want peripherally-underperforming pitchers heading into the postseason? If TA was unwanted after the numbers he put up, an elderly KH has no chance of bringing us anything worthwhile. Surely we could’ve kept or signed someone more intriguing stuff-wise like Contreras in his place.

Teams trade for stuff heading into the playoffs (ex: Kikuchi last year).

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

The FO expects him to be $2.5-million-good.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

Cheap is the main criteria

MarineLayer
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1 month ago
Reply to  TapatioMan

He should’ve been signed as a coach.

IvanX
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1 month ago

Maybe I will go to Spring Training this year just to try to get warmed up. I’ll confess I have a harder time staying energized about the team when they don’t win — I literally can’t remember the last time I attended a game where they won, so I thought maybe it was me, but then me staying away from games didn’t help either. But it’s a new season, new possibilities, anything can happen, let’s go Halos!

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  IvanX

Try to go to their away games and don’t give Tempe Diablo your money.

halofansince1978
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1 month ago

MLB glass half full prediction…we can only hope!!

Mike Trout stays healthy all year

Is there anything that the baseball world would love to see more? Trout has played more than 82 games only once since 2019 — the year he won his third and most recent MVP Award — losing time to the pandemic-shortened season and a wave of injuries. Last year was particularly dispiriting, with Trout seeing the field only 29 times and not playing a single game after April 29. It should be pointed out that he was excellent for those 29 games, putting up a 140 OPS+ and hitting 10 homers. But it has been a long, long time since we saw Mike Trout be Mike Trout for anything remotely resembling a full season.
The Angels are doing what they can to put a better team around him and keep him healthy. For one thing, you can expect him to play a lot less centerfield this year.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago

This is the saying I think of on this subject:

“Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

I’m gonna go ahead and assume Trout’s gonna be healthy till he isn’t and if he gets hurt I won’t have been fooled at all and I’ll be totally OK. I don’t have anything that tells me Trout will, indeed be hurt this year, thus currently no one is trying to fool me and if he does get hurt I will not have been tricked, but rather the situation will have changed. I have the incredible strength of character and iron hard self confidence that it takes to handle a situation like that.

Now, if Trout goes out for “a few days” with a strain then we all know we will never see him again this season. If I believe the talk that he’ll be back shortly I will indeed have been fooled again and I will tuck my balls between my legs, cross them at the knees, and start crying about how all men are liars..

Pineapple12
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1 month ago

I would genuinely be fine with us losing 120 games, if that came with a throwback Trout MVP-type season.

I miss watching my 🐐 play

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

So Trout produces 10 WAR and the rest of the team produces -10 WAR collectively?

A zero WAR team would be expected to lose somewhere around 120 games.

CAoldskoll
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Would a Trout full season of 270avg,, 30+ HR be a great come back season? If team stays healthy and we don’t have 2024 tanking like Drury, Rendone, Moniak, O’Hoppe, I think we can be a 500 team this year.

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

I agree. Give us better-than-league-average health, and I think this is a .500 ball club. The issue with believing that is possible is the reality that we have been comically and chronically injured for the last decade.

Still I’m super excited for the season. I won’t let wins and losses affect my enjoyment.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Other than Trout, we had a pretty healthy season last year.

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Eh, that’s not necessarily true.

Drury = 97 games (yes, he was terrible when healthy)
Rengifo = 78 games
Rendone = 57 games
Trout = 29 games

Soriano = 113 IP (yes, I’m counting him, even if it was load management)
Sandoval = 80 IP
Silseth = 8 IP

To your point – Ward, Neto, Schanuel, O’Hoppe, Moniak, Anderson, Canning, and Detmers were exceptionally healthy.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Pineapple12

We/ve been injured for a decade cause of the ju ju bruh

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

Depressing to think a full season of Trout would only net us a .500 record .

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Not sure of that math. He’d probably have to have a 15+ WAR season to accomplish that.

max
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max
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Well that would a +18 game improvement

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Man it’s hard to say this but, my Trout fanboy days are gone. He has given up so much of his game; his speed and his defensive aggressiveness are done. I can deal with this lack of big hits in critical ABs but the effort is constrained. Was hoping the team would go in rebuild mode but as long as Mike is here, Arte won’t commit to it. .

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Understandable, and I was trending that way too until we lost Shohei.

I was in HS and college for the majority of peak Trout. Even though we weren’t winning, I cherished those years watching the greatest player I’d ever seen (before Shohei lol).

Trout’s fall from grace happened so suddenly and it’s been unrelenting. Is one more 🐐 season too much to ask for? Probably, but doesn’t mean I won’t keep hoping for it.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

100%, I was a huge Trout-noid. Still have the dorky hat with the fish sticking out of it. I wanted so bad, for Mike to launch that ball against Ohtani at the last WBC. Really disappointed for Mike, he’s just lnot what we all experienced last decade. He could certainly hit 40 bombs next year but the other peripherals will be lacking. I think he’ll get a full season in, say 150 games.

Twebur
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Rebuilding mode without calling it a rebuild? And if CTPG think we are rebuilding, does PTP and Arte hear it? Like the tree in the forest.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Lol. I read your post yesterday and I agree with you. I cannot see that we are “rebuilding” given that Rengifo, Ward and Anderson still on the team. In a rebuild, those three would have been dealt away for prospects and any other player of value who does not fit the team timeline to compete. AM/PM would then yank Trout aside and confirm the team has no near term plans to invest in the FA market and allow him the opportunity to get back to Eagle Country. But no, seems we are stuck in neutral until the prospects become all stars. If there is a coherent plan, I have not seen it.

Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Me too.

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago

Heyman reporting Moncada is expected to be the every day 3B. What that means for Tony is TBD.

Angelz4ever
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

I feel so giddy, we actually have a full-time 3B!? Not just, “…ummm…Renigfo will pay 3B” sitch!?

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Don’t get too giddy. The jury is out on whether Moncada can even stay on the field the majority of the year.

I’m sure Rengifo will get plenty of burn at 3B.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

Agree, based on the last 3 years, little reason to think Moncada has any chance as a fixture. As he could only secure a 1-yr $5M deal, seems other teams had the same view. I think the depth order should be:
1. Rengifo
2. Rendon
3. Moncada

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

Gotta love CTPG. Get a guy who is fairly good (when healthy) to play 3B and replace the last guy we bitch magiced into being 75 years old at age 35. Over all, with injury hampering him about 1/3 of the time, he still barely has a positive OPS+ for his career.

So, the key is to start declaring that he is CERTAIN to have zero chance of being good. Do his stats say that? No. But hey, the key to making that Angels Fan Magic is to just jump strait outcha seat and start begging for the worst.

With any luck we can have ourselves a 40 year rebuild.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Look – I hope so but don’t get your hopes too high. He has been consistently injured over the last 3 seasons and played only 11 games last season. The Angels don’t have a great track record for keeping players healthy.

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

whomp whomp

yikes-rachel-dratch
Fansince1971
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1 month ago

Just keeping it real. Why set yourself up for disappointment?

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Over his 8 year career he has averaged around 90 games per season but most of those games played were in his early and mid 20s. Over the last 3 seasons he has averaged less than 70 games per season. So to view him at age 30 as a full season 3Bman is wishful thinking to a somewhat unrealistic extreme. Would be great if it happens but it’s just really unlikely.

The good news is he will be motivated to succeed so that he can get a 3 or 4 year deal starting in ‘26.

Last edited 1 month ago by Fansince1971
Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

So he’s a perfect fit!

Pineapple12
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

😇

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steelgolf
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

Does that mean Rendone is physically unable to play baseball anymore or that the team is ready to cut him and eat the contract?

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Let me just call up Arte real quick and ask him.

His response: “How did you get this number, i’m calling the police!

steelgolf
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

Just tell him a guy, who claimed to be the Seattle Mariners G.M., gave you the number and told you it was an Angels Baseball Insider Scoop hotline.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

Well…. Heyman. Still, if this is the case Rendon must have hobbled in from the parking lot when he came by to check in and Platypus Cam caught it and PTP was like “Shit. Someone get me Moncada’s agent on the line!”

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago

We gotta nip the ads on jerseys bullshit in the bud before MLB looks like the Caribbean Series.

Last edited 1 month ago by Mia
Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Sooo much worse!

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

It kind of destroys MLB for me. It’s like the last nail in the last coffin.

Last edited 1 month ago by Fansince1971
Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You aren’t going anywhere, stop it lol. You’ll continue to be here every single day 😆

Mia
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Mia
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

This has been my response to baseball fans convinced the Dodgers are ruining baseball and that they won’t watch anymore.

“See ya opening day!”

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

And live in misery with the rest of us  🙂 

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Mia

IKR, I saw that and gagged. None of my LL teams had that much advos on them-Sheesh!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

Revenue Stream! Synergy! 4X! AI! Multiples! Deliverables! Frictionless True North! Wholistic Approach to Sales Vectors! Shazzbah! Can’t stop the progress baby!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago

Hey guys, someone we haven’t really discussed is Kavadas. I personally hope he develops and contributes this year. Hed is a true wild card for the halos for 2025 & 2026.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

My first impression of his swing is if they can reduce his “Coiling” and use more “Flow” in his swing, he is big and strong enough for the power to easily be there. He hitting several lasers to LF show he lets the ball get deep in the zone and has oppo power, not oppo push.

Kavadas can be a great part of our rebuild..

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

When was the last time the Angels development staff “fixed” any player for more than a few games?

If Kavadas has the potential you are looking for, for goodness sake let’s trade him now before the voodoo wears off!  😀 

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago

It is my understanding that Joyce reduced his walks from his time in college to now.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago

Due to our organization 1B power shortage, I think we need to stick with Kavadas for a while.

Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I think you should work with him on his swing.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

Sure anything is possible, but for the hell of it take a look at the Fangraphs 2025 projections for him: 40% K rate doesn’t play at any level of organized baseball.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/niko-kavadas/29782/stats?position=DH

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago

I agree with you, that’s why I addressed his elongating of his swing and the need to reduce it. Adell has shortened his swing and has cut down on his K’s, though he needs to go further.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
1 month ago

His strike out rate is caused in part by his “waiting for the perfect pitch”. He was sent to AFL to work on swinging earlier in counts & outfield work.

https://www.milb.com/news/2024-afl-offensive-player-of-the-year

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago

That’s even more fixable, reps can do that, but of course his success in the AFL doesn’t mean he’s fixed.

SchofieldsWalkoff
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Agree on all points.

FungoAle
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1 month ago

Fauck, that’s some nice K-rate, Wonder if anyone else is higher. I feel better now that Niko is on the team.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

I think if he cuts down the Ks he becomes CJ Cron

Cowboy26
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Who’s we? I think I’ve posted this multiple times: The Greek God of Strikeouts finished his brief MLB debut strong hitting .255/.369/.455 in his last 18 games of September last year ( granted also with a 30% K/AB)

My moneys on Matthew Lugo though as the 2025 breakout candidate. but supposedly Kavadas has already demonstrated to Angel brass he can play adequate enough outfield to carve a bench role. but right now I dont see a spot for him without a trade.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I sure hope some Halo or Halo product (On our team) breaks out in 2025.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If Lugo and Kavadas became 120 OPS+ hitters that would be huge for the rebuild.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Another one-dimensional PM acquisition, little value outside of a solo shot. Don’t forget, its NiKo with a K.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I was typing earlier in the week about how Farm Rankings by Judy Journo in the dull pre-ST days are lame trash with no actual effort put in…. usually.

But if you want to see actual good rankings and farm analysis, look at that Fangraphs article. I love it, even though it describes how bad our system is.

It shows why Moore shouldn’t even be close to coming up yet, he’s one good scouting report away from MLB pitching killing him. Almost every report on guys in the 40 range for our prospects has an explanation of why they are there and what they would need to see if the guy is gonna move up to a higher place on the board. Real scouting the video. Real player comps that make sense. If you read about a guy in that report and then you watch video of the guy they are talking about you can say “oh yeah, he does do XYZ. That’s what he’s got to work on this year…”

This is great, if you’re a fan of prospects, because it gives you an idea of what to look for when judging if our development guys are improving. Sure, 80% of the guys in MiLB just can’t get past their limitations and will go nowhere. BUT, now I know I can get a little more excited about Lugo if he stops trying to pull everything and figures out how to protect the outside half of the plate.

They are also smart enough to realize that the farm has been shaped by the desperate chase for Ohtani’s approval and that it would be very different if we hadn’t done that…. but that’s the way it is and we need to start drafting more TALENT and less polish and floor.

Reading the whole thing even made me wonder, why do we even have a high A team in Washington? It seems like the org has to hold it’s nose every time they send a kid there.

It’s a good read. And then if you go read the same thing for a better regarded farm, like the Red Sox, you see that the main difference is a few very good prospects and the rest of the farm is similar to ours. And THIS is because the farm really only has to produce two or three above average players every couple years to do it’s job.

Which is why the MiLB was contracted a while back. And why that will most likely happen again some day.

Also, MikeDerlHix for surprise bullpen dominance 2025.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

Longenhagen has been my favorite prospect analyst for several years. He’s smart, technical and can actually write. He’s unafraid to be contrarian, and since he’s typically in Arizona, he gets frequent looks at the Angels system from top to bottom.

While I think Baseball America is bread and butter given its breadth and global coverage, I’ve come to value the takes of Law and Longenhagen quite a bit, as they’re willing to depart from consensus and focus in on critical flaws that lower the probability of strong talent becoming MLB regulars. Law was extremely sour on Adell due to hit tool concerns, which proved correct, despite a fawning consensus that he was the next Gary Sheffield. And both Law and Longenhagen were quite skeptical of Moore for similar reasons, and higher on bats like Montgomery and Cam Smith, who the Angels passed over.

Don’t talk to me about Angel park factors. They don’t have a reasonably neutral park environment outside of AA, which is among the reasons they aggressively promote (often unready) kids there. The Cal League and PCL are full of pinball machines, and the Northwest League utterly suppresses offense, and throws the same six teams against each other for months, overexposing arms and bats both.

Cowboy26
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Even the Big A is far from a neutral ball park

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Fwiw, over the past three year stretch, the Big A is actually one of the most neutral rated parks in the MLB, though it surrenders more HRs than people might think, despite the marine layer:

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-factors

But the Angels system doesn’t prepare prospects for the park or the division – it exaggerates hitting at A and AAA, and doesn’t provide a sensible A+ league where potential breakout prospects could work on things for a stretch.

Cowboy26
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Well its neutral because all our hitters suck hitting there versus playing on the Road while all the opposition hitters destroy our pitching at the Big A.

Hence Zen Neutrality.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

The analysis on Klassen was interesting. He goes from walking very few pitching in the Philly system under their development staff to walking one per inning after joining the Angels. It’s almost like putting on the uniform is enough to reduce the talent level of a player.

Although it would be very difficult for Perry to screw up drafting #2 overall, history proves it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Ju Ju Magic.

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago

Good Christ, what a bunch of defeatist, superstitious drivel. Sometimes this site is like being stuck in an encounter group for manic-depressive church ladies.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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“My life is a journey and pain is the road. Now pass me that box of wine and tell me my dad was wrong about me!” The baseball blog.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Ooof, not a fan of Law’s and his analysis but I do like Longenhagen

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I was a Law skeptic for quite a while, believing him too reliant on patchy scouting reports, and thinking his takes generalized too strongly from a small number of in person appearances. But over the years, I’ve found him more right than wrong when he diverges from analyst consensus. I’ve changed my mind.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Thanks for sharing. The analysis of our “prospects” was tough to read.

“If only we traded Ohtani for prospects”.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

It really wasn’t just that they failed to net 3-4 decent prospects to fortify the system, it’s that Perry also went on a fire sale to acquire two months of role players he thought could vault the team from one with a roughly 17% playoff probability to a contender in a matter of weeks.

Names like Edgar Quero, Ky Bush and Mason Albright may not be worldbeaters, but they had value well beyond what they brought back in a desperate grab for Giolito, Cron and Grichuk.

That was beyond rash, and I’ve not been able to take Minasian seriously since. This would be a club with 5-6 names in the top 100 had the Angels approached that deadline like any other team might.

Cowboy26
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I get Quero and Bush may still turn out to be good Major Leaguers but so far, I’m not feeling Albright

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Albright’s still quite young – he spent all of his 21st year last season in AA, pitching to guys on average 2-3 years older than him. He has also not benefitted from rising in two organizations not known for pitching development: the Angels and Rockies.

Super early to give up on him – more than a few command southpaws with funk have made it in the MLB, even if as a role player out of the bullpen.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I seriously think PTPs JOB #1 those first couple years was simply to MAKE THE UNICORN LOVE US! while staying below or just above the Lux Tax. Almost everything he did was following those guidelines till the unicorn was removed. Not trading Ohtani + trades to make Ohtani smile = totally shitty situation. And he was obviously going to a higher profile team after he warmed up his career in a safe space, got the glitches fixed, had TJS etc with his “starter team”. But that’s more Arte and fans than PTPs plan.

Fk Ohtani.

SchofieldsWalkoff
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1 month ago

“If only we traded Ohtani for prospects”.

The ongoing rewrite of history. Ohtani was injured at the trade line the package back wouldn’t have been as great as everyone continues to claim it would be.

Cowboy26
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1 month ago

Source?

SchofieldsWalkoff
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1 month ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

He started getting pulled from his starts due to “cramps & blisters” in July then he hadn’t pitched for 2 weeks prior to his final start on 8/23.

He had a great game at the end of July (Doubleheader lore) but all the others looked like he was struggling.
He had a ERA 4.97 / FIP 5.58 for July leading into the trade deadline.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Yes. But he’s the greatest thing since antibiotics so teams still should have been willing to trade blood and bone for him.

He had no trade protection, and the Guardians had a buff as fk farm. I dreamed of sending him to Cleveland so they’d have a shot at a WS in 2022 in return for a stack of talent…. would have been fun, and if he doesn’t want to spend three months in Cleveland I don’t care since he’s already rebuffed extension talks.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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How was he doing at the plate?

SchofieldsWalkoff
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1 month ago

July was his 2nd best month by OPS.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Well, what actually occurred was in fact the worst case outcome.

SchofieldsWalkoff
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1 month ago

That’s an opinion.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Sure.

The team kept Ohtani and missed the playoffs and failed to even achieve a winning record.

To build a winner in hopes of getting Ohtani to stay, they traded two of the team’s best prospects for players that completely fell apart production wise post-trade.

Ohtani left the team during free-agency and went to the local competition. The “lovely parting gift” from Ohtani leaving is in effect a 3rd round draft selection.

Yes, I’m sure there’s a scenario where the outcome could have been worse.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Package from the Dodger headline by Cartaya would have been worse.

IMO Trades that end up bringing in over rated prospects is much worse than holding on to the asset.

On a positive side, the prospect evaluators would have rated our system a spot or 2 higher because he is still considered a 55 grade prospect.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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I don’t know….when I look at the roster today, I don’t see Ohtani on it. So yes, we kept him on the roster for an additional 55 games or so in 2023 and still have nothing to show for it. Who knows, Cartaya could have been traded for something.

I guess you could make the argument that by keeping Ohtani the team still played bad enough to improve it’s draft position to get Moore. Maybe Moore will be Ohtani-lite. Who knows.

But the fact remains in 2022 and 2023 the Angels: Didn’t. Win. Anything. With. Ohtani.

Give me overrated prospects every day verses losing perhaps the greatest ballplayer of all time (when he is finally done playing) for nothing in return.

An overrated prospect is still an asset that has value.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
1 month ago

History lesson isn’t needed and bolding it doesn’t change my opinion that trading your asset for flawed prospects would do more harm to the team than walking away with no assets.

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MarineLayer
Super Member
1 month ago

The word was Ohtani’s agent came to the Angels with the Doyers’ offer and Arturo flipped them the bird. He simply cheaper out, which is his right, but that’s why getting virtually nothing back still is still a major fail.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Source?

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 month ago

The internet. Google it if you want more.

Jim Atkins
Super Member
1 month ago

So with Moncada in the fold, does Perry (and Arte) bite the bullet and show Rendone the door? Can we just send him to Utah all season for a roster spot?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jim Atkins

If he’s physically able he’s gonna start at 3B to begin the year.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

I agree

Kevin
Member
1 month ago

Agreed. The best plan is to play him and get what you can get from him. They have other options for when the inevitable injuries strike. The plan should likely be the same next year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kevin

Exactly. The turds as polished as we can get it in one winter.

Start with Rendon. If he’s good, GREAT!
If he sucks or gets hurt, Moncada, Newman, Renifo etc
Work on Fontenelle in AA
Draft a 3B capable infielder in the first 3 rounds

It’s about as good as we can realistically get the current 3B situation

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

It wouldn’t be prudent to release him so early, at least until they see if lightning is going to strike Rendone either figuratively in an improvement in play or literally being hit by a lightning strike. I want Rendone gone as well, but it isn’t like he’s blocking Brooks Robinson II at SLC.

IIWPM-I would wait for ST and the beginning of the season. I’d make Rendone show up to ST, put in work, and I’d do a lot of praying. No hurry to release him.

Moncada’s presence might expedite the Angels timetable to jettison Rendone though. Preseason, i predict right around the AS break, but now that may come quicker.

jco
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jco
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

With Rendon, we don’t know what type of insurance the Angels have on the contract. For contracts that big, teams often have insurance that pays in the event that an injury prevents them from playing. The Angels wouldn’t be able to collect on insurance if they release Rendon.

We’ll probably never know the terms of any insurance on Rendon or what years are covered. I’ve read about other contracts that don’t cover the last year of a big contract and I don’t know if that’s common practice.

I’d probably rather have Rendon’s roster slot for someone else too, but the team won’t if there’s a possibility of getting the salary back through insurance.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  jco

Yes, that’s why I had a lightning reference, and trust me, I believe they will be very tuned into Rendone’s health, especially early on in the season.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

But what if it will stir my long dormant needle and make me feel like I finally got even with the QB on my high school football team for being more popular than me AND my dad for not appreciating my love of Manga if we cut Rendon today? Then is it a smart move?

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago

Glad to see 👑 Luis won. Ridiculous we sent to arb for 100k lol.

Luis Rengifo has won his arbitration hearing against the Angels, per source. He will earn $5.95 million in 2025; the Angels had filed at $5.8 million.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yep, that’s pretty bad behavior by the club.

Kevin
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

These arbitrations are ridiculous. It’s supposed to be a process where the player wants $5 million and the club thinks he’s only entitled to $2 million. Not a $150,000 spread in the high $5,000,000 range. You would think they have better things to do.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin

I agree. I’d have an agreed upon gap number, so that if he club and player are at less than that amount, the difference should be split. Would save everybody time and money and promotes fairness to both sides.

Jim Atkins
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yeah, lawyers, time, hassle for what is relative chump change? Seems incredibly petty.

Twebur
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1 month ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

Absolutely no factual statistics here, but it seems like in years past, the Angels settled these cases by splitting the difference more times than not.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Twebur

Yes, as a team the Halos usually avoid arby, $150K is just a shameful amount that should embarrass Arte.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
1 month ago

I think we all know what kind of dysFUNctional lifestyle Mr Edmonds likes to live. Ménage a trois, drama, all about him, overall douche. I’m surprise he wasn’t bigger in real hoes of OC ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xUsOJrw5PJE ) seems like he would’ve fit in better. LOVED him even when I hated our periwinkle uniforms (they’ve since grown on me and now I don’t like Mr Edmonds professionally or ‘personally’).

Anyway Friday links are always my fav.

FWIW this is one lawsuit I don’t care if Arte wins. Ohtani, as perfect as he is and much as he can walk on water, probably isn’t a great friend (it’s all about him) and I don’t see him ever taking accountability/ownership in gamblegate (that doesn’t mean he deserves to have $17 mil embezzled from him, but maybe don’t introduce your pal to friendly in house gambling when the position/pay can’t keep up?)

Just always more to a story/headline than what’s printed.

Popular opinions, I’m full of em!

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 month ago

#FreeIppei

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Unconfirmed reports are that Ippei has requested being placed in a prison near Las Vegas, Nevada.

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago

I’m a fan of how the roster is constructed. It’s a solid mix of veterans and youth, and the more established younger players aren’t blocked (i.e., Hicks over Adell/Moniak).

Detmers will be pushed to keep his spot in the rotation, and we can let Silent C, Dana, and Silseth battle for playing time (even though Silent C probably deserves Hendrick’s spot).

Moncada and Rendon will compete. CMo won’t be rushed.

All in all, it’s a fun roster for where we are. With overall better team health than we’ve had in the last several years, if we get 130+ games each from Trouty and Neto, along with decent pitching, I can see a .500 team.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Looking for a bet? I’ll take 70 games or less. 😉

Pineapple12
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Nah, I’m chilling bro haha! I’ll leave that to you and CB26 😇.

I’d say 81 wins is this team’s ceiling. 83-85 if you wanna get craaazzzy off hopium.

75-ish wins seems about right.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

75+ wins should be a reasonable goal IF (Biggest two letter word in the English language): Trout…., Neeeefo….., Neto…., Moore…., Soler…., Both corner OFers…., Production from 3B….., Schanuel…., O’Hoppe…, the SPs…. & the RPs…..

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yes, we need to temper expectations for 2025, though i would like to see a more competitive product on the field wearing red.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

$2 tix (again)comment image

Literally don’t care who puts on the uniform.

Twebur
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

We’ve been bad long enough, can this really be called a rebuild?
Probably should be called a build…
Point to the decade we are in…I say we are at least in the 2000s.

https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1887856850399338705

Twebur
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

“You say potato, I say pot-ah-to” “tomayto tomahto” “rebuild build”…

I hope Arte is all in on this new super-secret project.

Looking forward to new trAditions!

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

They’re still adding bad talent, just not long term bad talent and they don’t have the budget for a large contract. They don’t have a lot of major league ready young assets either so they’re stuck waiting until Rendon goes off the books so they can take a shot at putting something on the field in 2027. On paper the roster doesn’t look any better than last year and potentially worse. I’m not unhappy with that as there is literally nothing they can do at this point accept try to acquire as many prospects as they can and take advantage of their position in the draft. I have no expectations of the team’s performance for either this year or next but I am very interested to see what they can acquire by trading veteran players and how they do in the draft this year. Also in the development of players who are not here yet. I’m interested in surprises.

The one player I expect to have a really good year is Logan O’Hoppe. My hope is that all of the veterans we acquired this year have great years and all get traded for prospects and then we do the same thing next year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yep. Thing is, much like just “new owner”, the year Rendon’s contract expires is also becoming a stupid magic touchstone. Yes. We won’t have to pay him. We will still have to pay Trout with a lame new TV deal that is almost certainly cut down by more than 35M a year.

But more importantly, even in 2027, if the team hasn’t gotten together a roster core that is fairly strong we shouldn’t spend on FA contract then just like now even if we have a pile of cash.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

Agreed.

FungoAle
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

marginal talent, guys who have not produced in years; JD Davis, Tim (I got knocked out) Anderson, Kingery, Moncada…Hendricks

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I am baselessly wondering if Rendon has hobbled into camp with a lower body that still doesn’t work because he’s an asshole who keeps getting hurt on purpose so he can take time off and not care about baseball at all.

After seeing this they closed on Moncada. Moncada is likely insurance, like Anderson is for Neto, and he’s useful even if he doesn’t replace Rendon. But sadly they will know pretty quickly if Rendon’s done or not when he steps into the hitting cage. Either he can use his legs and ass to generate power or he can’t, and at this point if he can’t it’s not like he’s gonna heal up more after more than a year and suddenly be able to swing hard.

Cripples are such assholes. Fk that guy.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Exactly. I’m certainly not likely to be a fan of the Angels over all record this year. But I am a fan of how they are getting to that crap record. Playing the kids but with enough veteranish grit to support the kids, and no need to rush the youngsters to the MLB to feed the unicorn’s dreams. Also, no new long term commitments to looking like we are trying to win a WS this year. Stay the course. Play the kids. Remove the bad kids. Get more kids. Have a giant pile of money soon.

Hopefully have a sense of a couple kids you want to extend with that giant pile of money? Sell the team? Sign a couple impactful FAs? Win the WS forever? OK. Good.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago

Moncada. Because we need an every day reliable 3rd baseman to play when our other reliable third baseman gets a mosquito bite. Makes perfect sense. Why doesn’t this move shock me?

Last edited 1 month ago by HalosFanForLife
WallyChuckChili
Legend
1 month ago

So we should expect Rengifo to take the majority of 3B reps by seasons end.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
1 month ago

If Rengifo hasn’t been traded.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago

If Rendon doesn’t come to camp “Ready to play” – he won’t make it out of camp on the 40 man. Maybe that’s what he wants. I’m guessing if that happens – he won’t sign elsewhere in 2025. He’s already got generational wealth.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 month ago

Multi generational wealth. He’s a prick. No player I dislike more.

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