LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Fireball

According to Rhett Bollinger, Ben Joyce was called up to take the place of Reid Detmers on June 2nd. The Angels still have to decide how to replace Detmers in the starting rotation.

Padres infielder Tucupita Marcano might soon be getting a lifetime ban for betting on baseball while he was with the Pirates last year.

A prospect skills competition is coming to All Star Sunday.

The Mariners will sign outfielder Victor Robles who washed out of the Nationals system. The Orioles just designated hard throwing right-hander Thiago Viera for assignment. He is pretty terrible so I wouldn’t be surprised if the Angels check in on him. The Orioles also lost infielder Jorge Mateo to the concussion protocol when he got clocked by his teammate’s bat in the on deck circle. Max Muncy suffered a setback when he had rib cage pain when swinging a bat. He was shut down. Blake Snell is officially back on the injured list. The Tigers designated infielder Buddy Kennedy for assignment and released first baseman Keston Hiura. Astros right-hander Jose Urquidy may need his second Tommy John surgery.

David Fletcher just got sent down to AA ball, probably so he can get more innings to work on his knuckleball. Also in that link, Brandon Marsh is day to day with a hamstring problem.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Eric_in_Portland
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9 days ago

for some reason when I hit my bookmark I get the Feb. 9th page (duh, must be when I saved it). There’s a link to Perry discussing how improved the bullpen will be. It’s a Rhett Bollinger interview and the new stars mentioned are Stephenson (sigh), Garcia, Cimber, and Kolarek.

Most of the comments were about the Super Bowl. There was a discussion about Eppler getting suspended. Also an occasional bit of optimism that we’d sign some quality ballplayers and a fun back and forth about how many games Rendon would plau.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago

Did you see any talk about how Arte needs to sign a Snell, a Soler and a Clevinger or hot molten lava will swallow us up? Must have been some Hick’s comments at a minimum.

halofansince1978
Super Member
FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago

This is a one ping pong ball line-up, pretty much at its best

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I’m not optimistic about the lottery for 2025. Just ran the tankathon simulator. We currently have the third best odds. First time running it we get the #7 pick. I expect some good team will sneak in and get #1.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago

The Number 1 pick in baseball is not all that important. It doesn’t usually mean very much. In football (NFL) and in basketball (NBA) especially it is a very different story. I just don’t get the foolishness of people here wanting to tank. You are just not very likely to get a franchise changing player by doing that.

Last edited 9 days ago by JackFrost
Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  JackFrost

Yep, Moniak was #1 overall and he’s not been much in the minors and majors.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago

Danny Goodwin x 2

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago

Yeah, likely at least 1 team jumps into the top 3 slots but with the A’s and the White Sox being banned, top 4 is doable. The Marlins will likely sell-off and the Rockies are bad but competing.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 days ago

Between the MLB draft on July 14th and the trade deadline at the end of the month, the Angels should have 3 new names at the top of the prospect rankings.

  1. First round pick
  2. Whoever we get for Ward
  3. Whoever we get for Rengifo

The return for Anderson will depend a bit on whether Arte eats salary or not. Expect him to be cheap Arte and accept less talent. But that will still be somewhere in the Top 10 of our list.

That says as much about our farm system as it does the players we’re going to bring in.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

You cannot ever expect a great draft if you do not have scouting at multiple levels i.e. Highschool, JC, College, Minor Leagues and Major Leagues. Winning is from both the top down and from the bottom up.

How can a Minasian be successful working for the Crown Prine of Laughing Stock of SoCal Baseball. Arte is a Donkey running in a Derby of thoroughbreds. he is dumber than a box of rocks. Nothing but luck has ever shined through during his ownership.

But yes, I still hope that we prevail and turn things around with a rebuild, just copy what the Royals and Orioles do.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

do you think the Angels only have like 5 scouts or something? lol

Twebur
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9 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

If Anderson stays relatively on course. He’s pitching well enough, with only 1 year remaining at a bargain price, couldn’t we expect at least 1 prospect from a good farm system within their top 10?

Also, with the young age and remaining cost control with Ward and Rengifo, someone better tell cheap Arte about this new rebuild that’s going on. Might come as a surprise to him….if he’s even around anymore.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

I’ve got an article about trade deadline coming out soon.

The return might depend on if we eat any salary. I think we could get a top 10 prospect from most teams, but depends on the team, the $, and how much of a need sp is for said team

Jeff Joiner
Editor
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9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Agreed. Anderson has surplus value at $13 million per year. He has a ton more at $700k per year.

The smart thing to do would be eat the entire contract in exchange for the best return possible. Arte has yet to eat money in trades, only when he releases players.

Cowboy26
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9 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Considering how much we have already reduced payroll this year compared to last season, maybe Evil Arte will finally do the right thing and eat some salary if it gets us a better prospect?

Angelstan
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

While creative, are there really owners out there who would pay like $20 million (for rest of this year and next) to not have a quality player on their own team just to get a few more lottery tickets via hot prospects in a trade? I doubt I can name one. Obviously Arte isn’t one.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Just the Dodgers the first few years of the new ownership group.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Steve Cohen.

Look at the Scherzer trade last July when the Mets agreed to eat $30 million to get a better prospect.

Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

That sounds like a MLB trade conspiracy?
😀😀

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

good one?

Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Just smart assery. I look forward to reading it.

Still betting Ward and Rengifo stay in an Angel uniform.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

I’ve talked myself into trading both lol

FungoAle
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9 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

A guy like Rengifo is a utility back-up on a contender, you won’t get what you think.

Anderson is a must trade.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Rengifo: wOBA .361, WAR 1.1.

Miguel Rojas (Dodgers): wOBA .344, WAR 1.0.
Gleybar Torres (Yankees): wOBA .287, WAR 0.5.
Jorge Polanco (Mariners): wOBA .272, WAR -0.2.
Andres Gimenez (Guardians): wOBA .320, WAR 1.4.
Brian Stott (Phillies): wOBA .318, WAR 1.1.
Brice Turang (Brewers): wOBA .343, WAR 2.0.

Rengifo is currently playing comparable to or better than the 2B on 5 of the 6 teams leading their division, is in his prime, has 3 consecutive years of improvement, positional flexibility, and is not a free agent until the end of next year.

Trading Rengifo isn’t going to bring in a future ace, but bringing in a guy who would become the top prospect in the Angels’ farm system is definitely possible.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Question: How many prospects has Perry brought in that are good? O’Hoppe would be one — but he gave up a quality you g guy for him so that’s a wash.

Anyone else? Don’t say Moniak. Anybody?

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

How many times has Perry traded a player with value in order to get a prospect? Marsh/O’Hoppe would be one.

Anyone else? Don’t say Moniak – that was a washed-up pitcher for a washed-up prospect. Anybody?

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago

This checks out…

“By expected ERA (based on quality+quantity of contact) Tyler Anderson has been the “luckiest” pitcher this season with a 2.07-run gap between his 2.37 ERA and 4.44 xERA (min. 200 PA).

The “unluckiest” pitcher? Reid Detmers, whose 6.14 ERA is 2.61 runs higher than his 3.53 xERA.”

https://x.com/bmags94/status/1798034875792125967?t=r-9f9WrP-1m52POPHzcnSw&s=19

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Hey P12 dont post this.

What if the other 29 teams find about? Then no one would be willing to trade for him

Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The old Eye Test isn’t what it used to be I guess, no place in baseball anymore, I’ll crawl back into my hovel.

What am I missing? Anderson has consistently gave up what I would assume is considered weak contact, for most of the year. And that’s a bad thing? Consider yourself “Lucky” Mr. Cy Anderson.

And Detmers only gives up Space-X Rockets from foul-line to foul-line and deep into the seats…..and he’s considered “Unlucky”?

With the right statistical formula, I kind of look like a combination of Brad Pitt and George Clooney. When adjusted with funhouse mirrors and AI of course.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

I have thought for a long while that the metrics don’t accurately reflect the value of soft contact.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Lucky or not, his performance speaks for itself.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

So in reality they’re both middling 4.00+ ERA starters?

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Pretty much.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yea

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

But the team would be much better off if they were both 6 innings of 3 runs guys and we had a chance to win each time they were on the hill.

Right now we have a good chance to win with Anderson and none with Detmers.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I agree, JJ.

Jim Atkins
Super Member
9 days ago

We all know this team needs a top-to-bottom housecleaning in the front office. That’s not happening any time soon. Pretty sure Perry is toast after this season. Our chronic lack of progress toward even .500 ball is clearly due to a directionless owner. At this point, what is Arte looking for? His utter disinterest in the team is obvious. Time to sell a profitable asset while it still has a clientele.

Mia
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Mia
9 days ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

We’re just waiting on Father Time at this point.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Jim Atkins

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AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Have heating pads been banned from use in the entire Halo organization yet?

We have a few players on the cusp of coming back. We don’t want them to regress in any way (talking to you, Rendon).

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

he’s been cleared. We really gotta get over the Ohtani stuff

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

It’s called a coverup…he is the golden goose.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago

Come on man smh.

Is the Earth flat too ?

Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

The Great Plains called, they want their flatness back.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Made me laugh Tweb.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

cover up by who?

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

The thing about a cover up is it’s a Catch 22. Nobody knows what’s being covered up…because it’s being covered up. I don’t know a lot but what I do know is no bookie in the history of bookies would ever extend that much credit to a guy like Ippei without somebody or something some how guaranteeing to make it good down the road.

We will never know the truth!!! Because #17 is going to make MLB, Blue, all the owners, all the sponsors, and who knows whom else so much money that they will never let him be taken down. Hence my use of the term golden goose.

When there is this much money involved the public will always be in the dark. We’ve seen this kind of thing happen over and over in world affairs. If you believe baseball is any different, you have your head in the sand.

Yes, my tin foil hat fits me perfect.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

I didn’t say what is being covered up. I ask by who. The MLB?

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I gave you a list…take it from there.

Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Not the MLB…of course not them.

Why or when have they ever covered anything up for the sake of their own best interests😀

The better question is when haven’t they done that.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Indeed!!

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

you realize that this was an FBI investigation that uncovered it, right? The MLB can’t cover it up, the FBI and DOJ would be all over it.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

So you trust the FBI and DOJ to do the right thing when it comes to billions of dollars in revenue…wake up cook.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

lol this isn’t the JFK assassination here man. Don’t you think if they were covering it up, they wouldn’t have even mentioned Ohtani in the first place?

Why didn’t the FBI just stay out of it’s investigations about sports memorabilia fraud? What about treatment of foreign players investigation? What about steroids?

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Follow the money on every one of those examples.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

lol. Enjoy your doomsday bunker man

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

You better start building yours right away!! `;~}}

clover_black
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

sorry but i’m getting triggered by you calling it “The MLB”

Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I’m not even saying that their is a cover up
conspiracy. But to imply that there is no chance of one because everyone is on the straight and narrow is not reasonable. I’ll assume more is to come about this case in the future. Probably after everyone completely forgets about the details. And then some smart ass reporter digs deep and reveals shit that is unsightly and nobody will give 2 shits because it was a long time ago. All I’m saying is we are not getting the whole story, shit is being conveniently omitted, (I assume they aren’t done yet too). . A company that has 100’s of billions worth of assets might have an interest in what’s happening and work to protect their image.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

the MLB would have an interest, but the FBI and DOJ don’t. They cleared him, time to move on, that’s all.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  cookmeister

That’s the fun part. No need to cover up anything if you just don’t look for it at all.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago

Brilliant!!!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  cookmeister

The perspective that he gambled? The fact that he was stupid enough to let someone steal $16M from him? The fact that he plays for the arch-enemy of the Angels?

What exactly are we supposed to “get over”?

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

all of the above?
Get over the conspiracy theory of the gambling. Get over that he left. Get over the Dodgers, I get that they are a cross town “rival” but they aren’t even in the same league.
Just reeks of little brother syndrome.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I never gave two sh*ts about it either. It’s his money, he can waste it however he chooses.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Who?

Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

TuCup-Shakur – Baseball bets totaling $87,319.

Eppei – supposedly bet $100’s of Millions over a few years 😀 …..sure, that adds up.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Now he can’t be in the Hall of Fame

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Nope. We have found “THE FACE” of MLB’s modern gambling problem….. and it’ssss….. a guy who you’ve never heard of whose name makes you think of Fruit Loops. There is no possible way Ohtani had anything to do with gambling. Neither has any other star player. Just Jay Groome and Toucan Sam.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 days ago

Once again, the Halos beat a weak team.

(Facetious ray off)

Angelstan
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Yes. They can beat the mediocre teams. The really top teams outclass them. Not a surprise really.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

do you suggest they lose?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

LOL, I was being facetious, the Padres have 10 more wins than us and are over .500.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Yes but the Pads currently have injuries and other issues. Angels had a brutal schedule the last ten days. Guardians in the middle of a huge winning streak. Yankees who had a historic starting pitching stat with 2 runs or less in five innings for starters. Mariners who likewise have some historic starting pitching stats.

Angels finally found a team that’s kind of normal. Where are the White Sox when you need them?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

September

Twebur
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Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Tank’ity Tank Tank…..

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  cookmeister

Yes. If you ain’t first, you’re last.

Translated: if you aren’t going to make the playoffs, you play for the best draft odds.

Are you suggesting they draft in a lower slot?

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

openly losing on purpose is dumb.
Fans perspectives are a lot different than players and teams.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  cookmeister

A team can lose “smartly”. The whole concept of the Angels “playing the kids” while they develop is losing smartly. Trading vets that have value for prospects is losing smartly while the prospects develop.

Sitting healthy players on the bench is losing stupidly.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

I get that.
I was responding to the OP and his comment. Really doesn’t change what I said

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago

One of the problem with trading assets is that I don’t trust Minasian to do a good job at that. We actually need a pro to run things, and we haven’t had that in a long time. And obviously Arturo owning the team doesn’t help.

Last edited 9 days ago by MarineLayer
cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I’d say turning Marsh into O’Hoppe was pretty good.
Thor for Moniak was fine (I know Moniak is struggling).
What’s a clear bad trade he has made?

John Henry Weitzel
Editor
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Giolito

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

fair, but hindsight is 20/20

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Giolito looked like a terrible trade with foresight. Yes, he was probably the second-best pitcher “available”, but Giolito already had the stats of a #4/5 guy at the time of the trade. If the Angels couldn’t get Crease, they shouldn’t haven’t traded at all.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

that’s fair. However I do give Perry a “pass” because Arte is the one that wanted to go for it.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

But R. Lopez was actually a very good acquisition. The Angels should have kept that guy in the fold. He’d be our closer right now (and a very good one!) if we’d have done that.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

It’s all hindsight yo… good and bad.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago

That’s a fact.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

And let’s not forget the Cron/Grichuk trades… Albright is in AA now and had a sub-3 ERA in May. So that sucks.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago

Hindsight is actually the only way you can look at something and determine whether it was good or bad. You can still look and something after the fact and determine it ended up being bad but made sense at the time. Not speaking of Giolito because I thought that move was bad when it happened.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  cookmeister

What a bullshit response. You asked for an example of a bad trade, and then you play the weak ass “hindsight is 20/20” card?

Take the loss on your request to prove Perry has done bad trades, buttercup.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I agree, the Marsh trade was pretty much fair, and addressed a need. Every single trade deadline trade he made last year. Lucas Giolito was a real peach,
and he got rid of Quero who is a great catching prospect, gutting our depressing there. All the others were bad, gutting what was left of the crappy farm system he drafted for nothing. I don’t understand why anyone would be defending his record at this point.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Pretty much every deadline deal Perry made last year will turn out to be a bad deal but is that Perry’s fault that Arte is delusional?

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

other than being young still, Quero isn’t exactly good. Especially with Flores, Laverde, and our #1 international guy next year
Bush has had a nice year, but has struggled otherwise.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Decided to look up Marsh’s stats and he’s slightly better than Logan at present.

162 AB’s
.265 / .344 / .770
6 HR
26 RBI
21 BB
53 KK
8-2 on stolen bases

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I’m happy for both of them.

But a catcher being even close to an outfielder offensively is a big W for the catcher.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Let’s say Moreno fires Minasian. What “pro” do you think will agree to work for Arte for a salary that Arte is willing to pay?

Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Another Del Taco guy, Jerry (fine, he’s not as bad as I want him to be), Bill, Perry……..another equivalent non-experienced GM that wants to get their foot in the door. All of those guys, this was their first job as GM.

Without knowing who is next in the candidate pool to take over for Perry (it’s coming), I’ll guess it’s it least 30 deep, assuming 1 from each team. And not many of them wouldn’t take the job if offered.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Angela would after fleet week.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

A guy with no GM experience will get the job as always. I would if I had no GM experience because the best way to get a GM gig is to have that experience.

Let’s say I turn the Angels around. I’m a genius.

Let’s say Arte keeps being Arte and we suck. Everybody will blame Arte.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Thats true. The only Arte GM castoff that didnt get a better gig was Reagins but that probably was because Del Taco wasn’t hiring.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Trading away assets that expire this year or next year can only hurt this year or next year. I agree with the concern that Perry can’t be trusted to execute a fair trade but in the end, They’ll all be gone and you get nothing in return, so if you trade them, at least there is a chance you get something of value, where as if you don’t trade them, you are assured of getting nothing. Since we aren’t winning this year, and likely not next, there is really no risk. We should at least try to get better for the future.

toad2065
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I’m sick and tired of this drumbeat! Please identify an available “pro” who doesn’t carry his own baggage and is actually available. Seems to me you would not accept any of the current number two guys from even the successful franchises. You know, the guys who actually make up the hiring pool!

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  toad2065

Look it up yourself. Any successful team is going to have a better person than Minasian. I’m glad you’re happy with the worst team in Angels history under his watch.

Omahalo22
Member
9 days ago

Trouty trade request might come in season but more than likely after this season. Don’t think he wants to be on the ‘best player to never win a world series’ list.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Omahalo22

Let’s be honest. I love Trout, but this narrative is getting pretty lame. He hasn’t been healthy in what, 5 seasons? Why are we acting like it’s solely the Angels fault for the downfall when your superstar can’t stay healthy?

John Henry Weitzel
Editor
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Sad fact, the last time Mike Trout played 141 games in a season was 2016.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

It wasn’t just injuries. Dude went through covid, his bro in law/best friend killing himself, and a teammate ODing during the season on a road trip. Find me any superstar that went though all that in a 4 year period.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 days ago

I feel for him, but none of those things have to do with being injured

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

It does. He missed games from both that get tossed in with the injured narrative

Marcotor
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Interesting how the best player the Anges ever had gets an infinity pass of endless excuses, while others are dumb, lazy (see todays pic for the very definition of lazy at HH/CTPG) or “too blessed to be stressed” devils who purposely injure themselves or play poorly.

Last edited 9 days ago by Marcotor
CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
9 days ago

I Agree with trading away veterans for prospects at this point. But If we just keep all kids what is that saying to Mike Trout? This organization owes him one last gasp for playoffs. What should happen (but prob won’t) is Arte/Perry put all the chips in and take advantage of next years deep FA class.. Dodger spend for the Burnes /Soto/Alonso class. Keep Rengifo and Ward. If it fails, trade all assets for more prospects. Then hope Arte sells. At least we gave the franchise player a final chance with ‘his’ team.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

Playoffs?!!

😂😂😂

The best way to give Trout a shot at the playoffs is to trade him to Philly

Last edited 9 days ago by Fansince1971
Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

This team isn’t making it to the playoffs for the next few years, at least.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

I’ll take that bet !!

I’d say they’ll make it within 3 yrs if not sooner.

Last edited 9 days ago by JackFrost
Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I bet you $1 Eppei Bucks that we don’t make the playoffs within 3 years.
I bet you $2 Eppei Bucks that we don’t reach .500 within 3 years.

With that said, I like our young core, think they will progress and steadily improve their production. I also think our Farm Boys are somewhat better than the credit they are given. But they are light years away from being consistent enough to win with any regularity. The vast majority of this opinion is based on what we have done every year since 2009 (F’ 2014, might as well have been 1914). 15 years of spinning wheels and lighting farts on fire. And the reasons for that part of the equation is unchanged.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

That is one path to take but I don’t think the club owes Trout anything They’re paying him almost 1/2 a billion dollars and the last 5 years he’s only played half the time or less. If anything, he owes the club. If he had been healthy the last 5 years I might agree.

steelgolf
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

Last year was the one last gasp.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

It’s true, last year was pushing with both hands all the chips to be all in and having Hickocks Deadman’s hand. Moniak and Drury and another half a season from Renny. Who knew a player would break a tail bone or that again both Trout and Rendon would be lame, or Ward would be face smashed etc. Trying for the playoffs has not worked in 10+ years, why do so many try to fight off rebuild. Heck even the Royals are going to return to the playoffs after a rebuild. This team owes Trout nothing, as a matter of fact he owes the fans a decent year or two. Time to sell off everybody over 25 yrs old and rebuild.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 days ago

Nice tight win-The Halos didn’t blink this time.

Go Halos!

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

If we play a perfect game, we can squeeze out a win here and there. Yay?

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Yep. And we need our best pitcher to be pitching in order to do so… At this point we aren’t going to win any games by a score of 9-7 or 10-9, so it comes down to pitching.

toad2065
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

As it always does. In case you haven’t noticed, our young starters are showing improvement. We have the makings of a stud young pitching staff!

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  toad2065

Of fours and fives. No aces in this space.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  toad2065

Canning recently has shown improvement. Sandy is still VERY inconsistent. Detmers, well we know how he has been…

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago

Tyler Anderson
2.37 ERA
3.3 WAR

Literally can only go downhill from here. Perry, please, please, please, please trade him ASAP!

Fansince1971
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

He has trade value right now – agree. Would be great to trade while the trading is good.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Won’t happen until close to the trade deadline

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

We always need to trade away any good players we have. That is a given. So, trade Tyler to the Astros or Rangers. Trade Ward and Rengifo to the Mariners. They need offense so it would really help them alot. Cause we need to help other teams.

Then start thinking about getting what we can for O’Hoppe and Neto as well.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

People are talking about trading near term expiring contracts in an attempt to get something in return as opposed to nothing. We have no chance of winning this year. You need to consider what it would take to win next year and what is the likelihood of that actually happening. If it’s not very high, there is no reason not to attempt to make the trades. The team would be no worse off in the long run and possibly better.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Anderson is still signed for another year. I’d rather keep him for 2025 than get two unproven’s who are more likely than not to never help us at all. If Tyler were expiring at the end of this season I’d agree with you.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

JF, you know better.

Nobody here is suggesting we trade off any of the younger players on the squad. Anderson will be 35 next season in the last year of his contract. It’d be malpractice to not trade him at his peak value.

Last edited 9 days ago by Pineapple12
JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Ummm, what about Ward ? People are saying to trade him and there is really no reason to. He is not a Free Agent until 2027.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Disagree that it would be “malpractice” to keep him. Actually, trading him for two unproven pieces of shit would be malpractice. If you want to give me a young, serviceable MLB player that is a different story.

Last edited 8 days ago by JackFrost
Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago

Caden Dana has been dealing all season in Rocket City, and Victor Mederos has put together a very solid month of May.

With the ongoing struggles of Reid {sigh}, how does our SP depth look?

Anderson soon to be traded, please
Soriano
Canning
Sandoval

Detmers
Silseth

Dana
Mederos
Bachman
Kochanowicz

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yes, Anderson would net a nice return right about now. Hard-working asshat Jeff Passan thinks we should also trade Soriano. It’s what a “confident” organization would do. Nitwit.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago

wait… Passan really said that? What a bad take lol

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago

Maybe being Foreheadless makes you talk out of your ass?

Because Unless the team thinks Soriano is a third TJS ticking time bomb why would you trade away a player with an electric arm who won’t be a free agent until 2029 at the earliest for a bunch of suspect prospects?

We might as well trade Caden Dana now and avoid the rush.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 days ago

I wouldn’t say that Soriano is untouchable but, he’s in the neighborhood. His physical talent is obvious and he’s pitching fairly well all things considered.

FungoAle
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

You can roll Barret Kent in the mix, 6’4″ RHer pitching for the IE 66ers. Walk rate is holding him back a bit but looks decent as a prospect.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yea, he would’ve been the next one

RexFregosi
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Slot Trey Yesavage in behind Silseth

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Think he falls to us ?

Twebur
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Another pipe dream player…..Since when will we have a break fall our way. 

https://halohangout.com/posts/angels-end-up-with-best-possible-scenario-in-latest-expert-mock-draft-01hz7jyxqzkt

Angelstan
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

The Bachman pick has been a killer. Taking a starting pitcher high from college and getting almost nothing out of him due to injuries etc. Brutal. Any idea where Silseth is as to returning? Is he throwing and almost ready?

The rotational arms look pretty thin. It would appear they need to find a fifth starter if they agree to move a guy like Anderson. Someone that can at least throw some innings and be decent.

BTW you do understand if they trade Anderson, you are relying on Soriano and Canning as 1-2 and have virtually nothing reliable behind them. And Canning likely won’t be around long. Hence, you are likely talking 3 years of rebuild on the mound via a trade like that. Is that truly wise?

You could argue Anderson is the type of guy who could pitch effectively for another 5-6 years. Velocity doesn’t matter much for him. Food for thought anyway.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Who cares? This season is meaningless. Gotta get young talent for the farm. It does not matter at this point whether they win or lose. Gotta look to the future

Angelstan
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Understood. I wasn’t talking about this year only though. They need to find reliable starters for 2024-2026. Going backward doesn’t really help unless they absolutely know they have replacements via the minors or the actual trades made. Making a trade of a consistent MLB arm for a guy you hope in 2-3 years might be good doesn’t cut it when there aren’t other options. It’s a shame but this is kind of where they are. And while winning many games might not matter, being a total doormat that isn’t competitive at all really hurts the entire franchise.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

But if Silseth turns into a viable Major League starter from the 11th round I would think thats an unexpected bonus is it not?

BTW if you go back and look at the 10 pitchers that were drafted after Bachman in that 2021 first round, only one of them has any success at the major league level ( Gavin Williams in Cleveland which should not be a shock) . In fact Bachman is the only other pitcher form that first round that has produced any positive WAR at the major league level.

Granted he’ll be 25 in September but if he ever overcomes his injuries why would you think this pick is much worse than any other pitcher taken in that first round?

You could argue that Perry screwed up in just limiting the team to draft 95% College pitchers instead of position players but at this point I still think it’s too early to criticize for that pick.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

How about the Guardians: Anderson for McCaughan and their #9 Angel Martinez?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

There were injury concerns for Bachman when he was drafted so they were apparently valid.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Bachman had a productive rehab start in the ACL last night. Also: 2023 JC draftee Rio Foster has a 1.000 OPS. Looks like a prospect. https://www.milb.com/gameday/acl-angels-vs-acl-rangers/2024/06/03/772350/final/box

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Dominican League is also underway. Halos affiliate managed to get in a half-inning yesterday before Hurricane Magglio hit. https://www.milb.com/gameday/dsl-rockies-vs-dsl-angels/2024/06/05/774753/final/box

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Ye of little faith. Can you say “Playoff Run?”

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/anthony-rendon-player

Last edited 9 days ago by HalosFanForLife
halofansince1978
Super Member
9 days ago

Any minute now we will get the report of a setback. `;~}}

WallyChuckChili
Legend
9 days ago

Strained beard hair 60 day IL incoming.

Last edited 9 days ago by WallyChuckChili
Twebur
Legend
9 days ago

Hair Follicle Transplant – TJ surgery.

Back hair follicles transplanted on his face. 1 to 1.5 years before he can start shaving and grooming his beard.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
9 days ago

It is mosquito season.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 days ago

Today’s word of the day towards Arte’s direction is SELL. 🙃 

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 days ago

SELL is also the word of the season and the word of the decade, which makes it the triple crown winner.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 days ago

Worst Angels team ever? Sure does appear as such, hope we end up receiving the first pick in the draft.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 days ago

Gosh darn I feel no guilt in hoping the Angels trying to catch as surpass the White Sox. Detmers in the minors, how many of us thought that this was his breakout season and now he will try to learn to pitch again.

Am very happy for but also surprised about how good and consistent Aderson has been, should bring back a couple highly ranked minors. Ward should bring back a couple prized “Kids” and Renny maybe one decent choice, other than Neato and O’Hoppe nobody should be safe from being traded.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 days ago

Fletch being taken seriously as a pitcher, still weird that he went down the ladder od hitting so fast and that he could not stop his chopping down on the pitch. Great range at 2b with very soft hands. Walsh went from pitcher to two way to hitter to forgetting how to hit. Best fielding 1st the Angels ever had, yes even better than Erstad and Snow.

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