If I were Perry Minasian…

Welcome to my version of the “If I Were Perry Minasian” series. In order to rosterbate responsibly, we will use the following guidelines.

I’ve spent about 2 weeks really searching for what the 2024 Halos should look like. I even went back to my piece last year about what I was trying to build. I ended up trading Ward, Rengifo, Neto, and Quero (got that one right) and signing Estevez!! I think I’m starting to see what Perry is putting together and I think we are on the right track.

The 2024 class is awful. I really don’t like what’s available, but there are a few pieces that might be able to help us. I’ve settled upon constructing the best MLB roster I can, but I’ve really focused on building quality depth, especially in the SP department. I have a decent amount of trades this year, and some of them will hurt a bit, but I truly think the final roster this year gives us an outside shot at a Wild Card Spot and sets us up for a run starting in 2025 with a robust FA class coming. So the result is to do the best we can in 24′, trade off pieces if we aren’t in contention at the deadline, see what the youth have, and supplement with FA in 2025 for a run.

Trades

Angels trade Taylor Ward to the Dodgers for SP Nick Frasso #4, SP Landon Knack #9, and SP Ronan Kopp #16. (# is current teams prospect rating)

All this “talk” about the Dodgers wanting Ohtani and Trout is nonsense. But I do believe that someone mentioned an Angel OF to the Dodgers and it should be Ward. He’s arb controlled for three years and the Dodgers have a huge gap in LF right now. Ward makes sense since they are looking to spend on Ohtani (Which is where I think he end’s up)

Angels get three good arms, two of which are AAA/MLB ready and add depth for us. Frasso is the gem here and I think he’s a #2-3 type starter. I love the other two as well as we continue this focus on new young arms in the farm system.

Angels trade Luis Rengifo and Ryan Costeiu #21 to the Red Sox for OF Alex Verdugo and SP Luis Perales #10

Rengifo still has high trade value, and I don’t have him in my long term plans. He can’t play SS, we already have a 2B in Drury, and Rendon is well…. I’ll work on it later.

For Boston, it remains to be seen if either Pablo Reyes or Emmanuel Valdez are the answer at second base, and Rengifo is a much better upgrade than both of them. Plus the arb years of control is a huge bonus.

For the Angels, I’ve replaced the RF spot with Verdugo who only has 1 year left on his contract. He’s a piece that can be moved at the deadline as we have Adell still waiting in the wings. I like Perales a lot and he can make the MLB staff in a year or two if needed.

Angels trade SP Tyler Anderson plus $7.0 million over 2 years to the Rockies for RP Daniel Bard.

Anderson is a vet on this staff that doesn’t belong and needs to be moved to clear the way for the youth movement. He has 2 years left on his contract and with the 3.5 we send to COL, his salary will match Bard’s for this season plus another $3.5 million next year. COL really needs SP depth right now, and Anderson doesn’t add to payroll already on the books,. They don’t need a $9.5 million closer who’s contract is up this year, and is coming off an arm injury.

For the halos it’s about getting a lotto ticket in Bard. If he’s healthy, he’s good, if not, he’s gone at the end of the year. This is mostly about getting Anderson off the books for the next two years and allowing a spot for one of our young arms.

Angels trade SP Patrick Sandoval to the Tigers for 2B Jace Jung #4, SP Ty Madden #6, and 3B Issac Pacheco

This one will hurt, but you have to give talent to receive talent. The Angels have very low depth at 2B, and I went out here to get a top 100 (#64) prospect and the #2 2B prospect in baseball right now.

Sandoval is a great SP, and the Tigers are in need of a guy like him. He might flourish away from the Angels, but I lack the confidence is Sandoval moving forward into our window next year. I really want Jung for our long term depth at 2B. Currently, I have Fletcher getting one more year at 2B (on the bench) to prove he can stay healthy and contribute. Now that we have Jung, we have a replacement waiting in the wings to take over the position in 2025 or 26.

Also Madden is no slouch here. He continues to add to the SP depth at the MLB, AAA, and AA levels.

Angels trade C Matt Thaiss to Seattle for SP Darren McCaughan

I will be honest, this is a personal trade for me, and it doesn’t need to be done. It also is contingent on Max Stassi coming back this year. If anyone follows Stassi IG account you will see what he’s been going through with his child. I want to root for Stassi because of what he’s gone through!!

For the trade, its two players without a place to play, so it’s a swap. Seattle needs a back up C and Thaiss makes sense. McCaughan, is a LB State product and can slide into the #5 spot this year in the rotation. I think he’s a dark horse back end starter and being home will make him even better. (Plus he and his family are amazing people)

Don’t call me trader Jerry, but this does seem like a lot.

Now on to the FA signings with my reason for doing so.

Free Agents

Marcus Stroman 2 years $44 million

I know he’s against the youth movement, but to me, getting a quality SP for only 2 years to help with the young arms is valuable. In addition, the 2 year contract is appealing to me. If we are out of it, and there is need, he can be flipped at the deadline for more pieces. On the other side of the coin, if he’s contributing, he is a key piece already on the books for the run in 2025. Also, someone has to take the “ace” of the staff and he fits the bill.

Gio Urshela 2 years $20 million

Gio once again is my option for depth in the infield. He can back up all 4 positions and it gives him time to get his body right after the injury this year. He’s my insurance policy on Rendon.

Kevin Kiermaier 2 years $26 million

Kiermaier is my depth piece for Trout. He is a good/great CF and pushes Trout to the DH spot when Rendon can play 3B in a game. He’s a great defensive replacement late in games, and still hits well. If Verdugo is traded, he can start if Adell still isn’t ready.

Jordan Hicks 4 years $40 million

I’ve added and deleted this FA at least three times now. It is pure greed, but there is something about this guy that I really like. His fastball is so good. He’s at the prime age of 27, and I wonder if he can be the extra bullpen piece that we have needed for a while now. He adds depth to the RP core and helps long term. But this signing doesn’t “need” to happen. I’m mainly just trying to use the funds that you gave me in the rules.

Additional moves and thoughts

MILB contracts- Jared Walsh $1million, Dinelson Lamet $1million, Drew Pomeranz $1million. All of whom get invites to Spring training.

DFA Marte- I got this right!

DFA Warren

We have arms for days. We have waiting in AAA a rotation of Suarez, Frasso, Knack, Daniel, and Rosenberg

Our AA rotation is Mederos, Perales, Kobb and Madden. All of the guys listed here are ready for MLB action within the next year. They can be used for trades, or asked to show us what they have at the MLB level this year.

We finally have MAWR pitching in our system. I’ve built a competitive team for 2024 that can be only as good as our two guys at the top of the payscale. The youth movement begins without a total teardown and we are prime for the 2025 FA class (Juan Soto I think makes way too much sense)

Outfielders Infielders Catchers StartersBullpen
Trout-DHRendonStassiStromanEstevez
MoniackNetoO’HoppeDetmersBard
KiermaierDrury CanningJoyce
VerdugoSchanuelSilsethQuijada
AdellUrshelaMcCaughanSoriano
FletcherHicks
Bachman

Here is the 40-man roster plus salary for 2024:

Anthony Rendon $38,000,000
Mike Trout $35,450,000
Marcus Stroman$22,000,000
Kevin Kiermaier$13,000,000
Jordan Hicks$10,000,000
Gio Urshela$10,000,000
Daniel Bard$9,500,000
Alex Verdugo$9,200,000
Brandon Drury$8,500,000
Max Stassi$7,000,000
Carlos Estevez$6,750,000
David Fletcher $6,000,000
Griffin Canning$3,500,000
Jose Suraez$1,000,000
Jose Quijada$1,000,000
Landon Knack$770,000
Nick Frasso$770,000
Jordyn Adams $770,000
Jo Adell $770,000
Sam Bachman $770,000
Trey Cabbage $770,000
Kelvin Caseres $770,000
Davis Daniel $770,000
Reid Detmers $770,000
Jimmy Herget $770,000
Ben Joyce $770,000
Victor Mederos $770,000
Mickey Moniak $770,000
Zach Neto $770,000
Logan O’Hoppe $770,000
Kyren Paris $770,000
Kenneth Rosenberg $770,000
Nolan Schanuel $770,000
Chase Silseth $770,000
Jose Soriano$770,000
Livan Soto $770,000
Michael Stefanic $770,000
Darren McCaughan$770,000
Andrew Wantz $770,000
Jack Kochanowicz$770,000
PAYMENT TO ROCKIES$3,500,000
Loup Buyout$2,000,000
Escobar buyout$500,000
Total:$206,150,000

We had some great conversation about this last year. Can we do it again?!!

Let’s go Halos!!!!

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Man, this is a really well thought out IIWPM!

I really like how you used your GM brain to think of why THE OTHER GM is willing to team up with you for your moves. You also got really creative with some of your depth ideas.

I have no idea how good this team will actually be…. but no one ever does other than maybe Doyer and Braves fans…..

My only real gripe is Stroman…. CJ Wilson level grit with a biggger mouth and far less hot wife points. But the rest of the plan gets a positive shoulder shrug and “why not?” from me. So many things need to go right for the Angels to get better/be good. This roster has plenty of shots at doing that and some nice youth too.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
2 months ago

I really like this from a long term outlook. Not so much for 2024.

Ideally if I ran this team I would do something like this but overpay for Yamamoto (I love the kid) and maybe Lee from Korea to lead the youth movement once it is ready in two years.

2GA2Join
Super Member
2 months ago

We signed our first MLB contract of the season! Some guy named Kolarek.
Our bullpen is saved!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Guaranteed $900k. The guy must have an Atlanta connection. Pathetic.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago

Stupid Perry. Signing a LHP that dominates MLB LHB’s

Probably wouldn’t have had to sign him if Quesadilla hadn’t blown out his arm or if Eric Torres forgot where home plate was.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
2 months ago

Clevinger? Well, for #4 money, I guess not a shiny, but functional signing.

2GA2Join
Super Member
2 months ago

Squid to Atlanta?
Watch him get a ring….

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

They give the clubhouse attendants rings and playoff shares now so why not?

red floyd
Legend
2 months ago

Does that $7MM to the Rox count against our salary?

red floyd
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Ah. Missed it in the table, because I wasn’t looking for it at the bottom.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Yamamoto very intriguing, the concerns out there is that he is an undersized and may flame out before the end of the deal. Aka …Timmmayy “ The Freak” Lincecum. I like him, over Stroman is an easy call.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Well it seems the FA process for him will be little less mysterious than the Unicorn. As According to this article, Teams will know whether or not they are finalists by the start of the winter meetings

https://www.sny.tv/articles/new-details-how-yankees-mets-yoshinobu-yamamoto-will-choose-mlb-team

Then again you never know what can be lost in translation. It appears that he is enamored with the MFY. Maybe Mr Chan can sort it out for us.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yamamoto is one of the two NPB pitchers Shohei mentioned better pitcher than him. He throws baseball as if he is throwing javelin except that he starts his motion from set position. His fastballs are in mid 90’s and do not reach 100, but his splits are devastating. His command is excellent, and he will cause many swing and misses, leading to many strike outs.

Three questions I always ask when NPB pitchers go to MLB are “can he adjust to 1) 5 man rotation, 2) 162 game season as opposed to 143, and 3) long flights. Apparently one of Yamamoto’s strength is his ability to sleep well in any location and situation, so long flights may not bother him much.

I predict that he will be as good as or better than Masahiro Tanaka who pitched for MFY for 7 seasons and had 78W and 46L with 3.74 ERA. Tanaka was also posted at age 25.

I still believe that both NY teams will go hard for Yamamoto, and I predict it will be at least $200 million x 5-7 years. Since Yamamoto feels obligated to Orix Buffaloes for allowing him to leave (normally it takes 9 years in NPB to become FA to go to MLB), he will attempt to get as much as possible for himself and Orix, who will get fixed percentage (15-20%) of his contract as posting/transaction fee. Thus, it will be interesting to observe how much MFY/Steinbrenner and Mets/Cohen will try to outbid each other.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kiyotchan
Kiyotchan
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2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Latest report on Yamamoto per Nikkan Sports:

Andy Martino of SNY mentions that Yamamoto is currently in the US (At least we know that he played a round of golf with Lars Nootbar https://www.sportskeeda.com/baseball/yoshinobu-yamamoto-reconnects-lars-nootbaar-golf-course-amid-coveted-mlb-move) and will return to Japan, where he will have “first round” zoom meetings remotely with teams who are interested in acquiring him. He will then narrow his choices to manageable number and will travel back to the US for in person negotiations. It is expected that the final decision will come shortly after the GM meeting in Nashville, which should conclude on 12/8.

My current bets: MFYankees 40%, Mets 40%, Red Sux 15%, Rest 5%.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kiyotchan
FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I know his agent indicated he would be open (did not say preferred) to sharing the spotlight with a Japanese national, I think it’s smoke. Dodgers, Giants and Yankees are my horses at the starting gate.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago

Are things going to be quiet until Shohei makes his decision?

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yes.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I read some MLB pundit opinion that Shohei will come to some sort of decision during or after the GM meeting Nashville, which is to be held from December 3 to 6.

Of course, if another round of norovirus hits Nashville hotels, we may not know until the next GM meeting.

I have previously mentioned that Shohei might wait till what happens to many significant FAs (including Yoshinobu Yamamoto) first. If I am right, we may not find out where he will be until January next year, almost a month before pitchers and catchers report to spring training. Time flies when having fun.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago

Very nicely organized and a lot of work for sure. Traded off players who we all know, have limitations and won’t be missed. I don’t think these work in the oppositions eyes but good effort.

Not a fan of Stroman at all and he is not ace-like enough to shell out $22AAV. I’d much prefer to increase the AAV lightly on getting 2-arms, Lugo/Maeda or maybe a Wacha and one of those. Angels would need 2-starters based on your trades. Go FA SP shopping in FY 2025.. I’d also take a stab at a high-risk, high reward guy like Flaherty, SoCal guy, lock him in.

With Trout still here (please request a trade, Mike) I dont think Kiermaier signs here but like his leadership.. Also, Adell NEEDS to be ready. Put him out there, full time. I like Verdugo. Sell high on Moniak.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Unfortunately I don’t see anything that would give me optimism in Adell.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Then trade him and I’m fine with that. For me, it’s black or white SLC has nothing left to teach.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Don’t you think DH falls to Rendon in the hope he can have a healthy season?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago

Really enjoyed reading your proposal. I am away in San Diego with my family for Thanksgiving weekend and am hoping that I would at least visit Petco Park to check off my bucket list of all MLB stadiums. (Been to Wrigley’s, Chaves Latrine, Kauffman, Yankees Original, Mets before Citi Field, Fenway, and Safeco in chronological order. Got 23 to go.) I probably do not have time to research and calculate to form 40 man roster without busting $212.2 million budget. So, I will leave a few comments.

Being a huge Fletch fan and also die hard Oregon State Beavers fan (little gut check after being demolished by Ducks last night), I am hoping that Fletch would return to his pre Covid form and that the Angels consider trading for Nick Madrigal, who was above average 2nd baseman for the Beavs. Although his power or numbers do not impress anyone, he is conventionally ideal 2 hole (or 9 hole) hitter. He stole 10 times last year, and his small ball ability (bunting, hit and run etc) is exceptional. He does not strike out much (only 24 times in 92 games last season) and he battles after 2 strikes. I would not even mind trading Rengifo for Madrigal. BTW, I have never seen Jace Jung play.

Gotta say something about Shohei. Although the odds are that the Doyers are the most likely team, there are many factors that go against the prediction.

1) The Doyers are one of the biggest market team. Shohei from a small town of Oshu (population 114000) had never played for a large market team. Playing with Mike Trout was a definitely a factor 6 years ago, but Anaheim being a smaller market team was another.

2) Shohei would likely seek a place that does not have much media attention. That eliminates both NY teams, Boston, Chicago, and the Doyers.

And this maybe the reason why Jeff Fletcher of OC Register keeps on insisting the Angels have 30% chance of resigning.

3) Shohei is a man of routine and habits. He played for only one high school team (Hanamaki East) and only one NPB team (Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters). Yes, he is loyal to a fault.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kiyotchan
HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I was looking at Madrigal scenarios in my playing with things, but only because I think he’s still going to break out. Statistically, it didn’t mean much – but a huge fan of his game. He’s one of the best dugout/clubhouse guys and if he can regain his first two-year comps, which is definitely doable, he’s the kind of guy I want on my team. He has the 2B/3B flexibility and can go in the outfield if needed. Left him off my working ideas, but agree with you.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Kiyo – do you believe that Shohei puts playoffs and playing in the World Series above all other considerations? If you do take that as true, how can we consider the Angels as a contender for his services going forward?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

No one really knows what he wants. I sometimes think that he does not what he wants. But my main point here was that it is little bit too premature to think that the Doyers will have him. I think small market teams fit his psyche better. I think he does not like dealing with the media in big markets.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Well if you are right and he wants both small market and potential for playing on the biggest stage, San Diego and Seattle would fit that bill.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I agree with you there.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

San Diego doesn’t seem to have the money – and one has to wonder with their free-spending owner dying.

Seattle has never seemed to have the money for such a big swing – and Jerry’s wheeling and dealing might not sit well with Ohtani’s penchant for loyalty. That said, Seattle did well by Ichiro and it is both West Coast and not a major media market.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

San Diego has financial limitations (fairly recent development).Otherwise they indeed would have been perfect for him.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

But what about the caravan of Japanese media following him around? Is that really any different than a “big media market”?

max
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max
2 months ago

According to Bbref his last 5 games he didn’t pitch many innings per appearance. July 31, 3 innings-6 weeks off. Sept. 15, 2 innings. Sept. 16, 1 inning. Sept. 23, 3 innings. Sept. 28, 2 innings. What was his injury?

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Stro Man.

In His last 5 starts he averaged 3 innings and an ERA around 11.00

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Good because in his first 20 starts last year Stroman averaged just a tad under 6 innings per start.

max
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max
2 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Sorry, Stroman. But that’s already been figured out, lol

nishiogawakun
Super Member
2 months ago

Love it!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
2 months ago

I like the Strohman pitch as he has said in the past he WANTED to be a Halo.

I forgot, so please don’t ask the source.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
2 months ago

I like it. A lot. Thanks for taking the time to develop and share!

Angelstan
Trusted Member
2 months ago

I appreciate the effort. A couple quick comments. Daniel Bard is about 100 years old, he has a sweet inside deal with Colorado and if you wanted Bard, it should have been in 2022 before the Maddon firing etc.

Hicks for 4 years and big money. Nice talent but he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. 4 years for him would be like extending Trout for another three years now. No thanks.

You have some fun and sound other moves. Again, I appreciate the ideas.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

The Angels aren’t in position to take a potential starting pitcher and trade him for an old guy with little left plus add money to the deal. Halos don’t have enough arms as possible starters as it is. I get the salary dump angle. But isn’t Perry admitting he didn’t know what he was doing signing Anderson last year. I don’t see him making this obvious admission.

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
2 months ago

I think you did a fantastic job. I think trading away Ward and Sandoval is key to grabbing any sort of prospects. The only place where I sort of disagree is trading Rengifo vs Drury. I could see Ron Washington making an impact on Rengifo’s defense and I can also Drury as a regress candidate. Drury’s WAR was not where you would think it was compared to Rengifo who is more versatile if he gets better defense. Plus we lack a lead off hitter and Rengifo hit pretty well in that spot.

That being said, I think if you could dump Ward who is just as inconsistent as Rengifo but coming off the face surgery and if you could dump the headcase that is Sandoval for those type of meaningful prospects , I’d take that really quick.

I think that the organization you out together here is really interesting and putting a Stroman at that price and length is not crippling to the future. I do think that’s an 80-85 win team if they all stayed in the field but hey that’s where the new training staff comes in.

That being said, this roster is 1 more impact bat away from contending.

Last edited 2 months ago by DMAGZ13
Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Ward has a career threatening injury that many players never come back from or at the very least, never return to any semblance of his before the beaning status.

It would be foolhardy to assume that any MLB team would risk offering the Angels anything more than just a Tucker Davidson type (a AAAA out of options prospect) despite what the Trade Simulator assessed value is.

Dumping him from nothing before he is given the opportunity to return to form would also be unwise . Considering he has an option left I would send him to AAA to work on his game first before just releasing him.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You expressed it better than I.

FungoAle
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yes, Angels are stuck with Ward for the foreseeable future

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
2 months ago

working on my IIWPM. I don’t really know how teams would value Ward since his beaning. I don’t know if he’s tradeable.

Cowboy26
Legend
2 months ago

According to the trade simulator he is so it must be true .

2GA2Join
Super Member
2 months ago

Yeah I’ve been assuming this off-season that Ward is untradable.

Fansince1971
Legend
2 months ago

Impressive work, and definitely fits the definition of being “aggressive”. I do think this would improve the team and at least some of this could happen, realistically.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Smartly done. A lot of great thought went in to this so thank you for the effort. You did a marvelous job of addressing the pitching challenges and helping develop the club long term. I don’t agree though that it’s a competitive club for 2024. Which isn’t necessarily bad because I’m not sure having a competitive club in 2024 is possible without spending more money than is allowed by the ground rules and I’m not sure there is a success plan for 2024 for any amount of money unless the Angels can resign Ohtani and either sign Lee or trade for Soto in addition to all of the suggested pitching improvements. The two guys we threw away for Giolito sure would be nice to have now to package in a real trade this year. I feel like any plan for 2024 that counts on Rendon as a remotely significant contributor is doomed to failure. Again, great effort and thank you for the time and thought you put into this. As evidenced by the IIWPM efforts so far, Perry has a real challenge on his hands.