The Angels are apparently buying in the trade deadline market. Welcome to Lucas Giolito. Shohei Ohtani is officially off the market. We’ll be having a doubleheader today. Shohei Ohtani goes up against Michael Lorenzen.
Here you can find the Angels 2024 Spring Training Calendar.
The Angels are in discussions with the Nationals for a third baseman. The Red Sox got Mauricio Llovera from the Giants. The Dodgers traded Noah Syndergaard to the Guardians tor Amed Rosario. The Twins and Marlins swapped relief pitchers Jorge Lopez and Dylan Floro.
The Astros activated Yordan Alvarez and Jose Altuve.
Photo credit: Rex Fregosi
OK if we’re serious, I’d like to see us get Rodriguez or Stroman now…
How? They’d have to trade Ohtani to get prospects to trade for Rodriguez or Stroman.
I don’t know, people around here are all in, so let’s go all in now!
Here’s my plan: Give Ohtani 1 extra day rest so he pitches next Thursday against the Mariners rather than Wednesday against the Braves. That lines him up to pitch in important games against potential wild card competitors (Seattle x2, Texas x2, Cleveland x1, TB x1) and puts him in line to pitch the last game of the season.
He obviously skips the last start if the Angels have clinched the playoffs, maximizes the chances if it is a must-win, and if the Angels have been eliminated, it means Ohtani’s potentially last game as an Angel is as both a pitcher and a hitter.
Any more smoke on the Candelario rumors?
Maybe Lopez will be the big surprise in all of this.
I am getting all confused, but with Walsh DFA’d, and Joyce being moved to 60D IL, we can still add Weiss without any more corresponding move, assuming that Weiss has return flight back to wherever SLC Bees are playing tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1684578771863732226
Double headers allow you to add an extra player without utilizing options. This was a COVID change that stuck with the league. Weiss will be returned to AAA after today.
Both Giolito and Lopez are essentially in Roster purgatory right now. Even though both are on the 40 man neither are on the active roster yet. Gio will be added tomorrow while Lopez will be added before game 2 today. I suspect Reyes will be optioned after game 1 and Silseth will be optioned before tomorrows game.
If the game is a blow out in either direction look to Reyes to get playing time in game 1.
Thank you for unconfusing me.
I think DFAing Walsh was the correct move. He’s going to turn 30 at the end of the month.
The Thoracic Outlet Syndrome zapped his power plus then you have the neurological issues. Tough way to end his Angels career but we did get 55 home runs from a 39th round pick.
He will likely clear waivers.
He’s being handled the same as Fletch. He’s due 900k through the end of the season, so he’ll clear waivers. He has to accept the outright to keep the money. He’ll stay with Salt Lake, but won’t be on the 40 man roster.
Perry knows ball.
Good speech.
This is brutal.
Damn finger nail.
I’m not saying I think Lorenzen is bad or I wouldn’t want him on the team still, but lets not ahead of ourselves with small sample sizes.
Lorenzen’s last 3 starts were KC, Sea, and Oak. Ohtani’s were Pit, Hou, and SDP
Last time I checked, Lorenzen did not graduate from Hanamaki East high school. Let’s make two days in a row for 2 graduates of Hanamaki to win MLB game as starter.
More Angels news:
Lucas Giolito is in Toronto and will pitch tomorrow.
Lopez will be here in Detroit today.
Jared Walsh has been DFA’d.
Zack Weiss is here as the 27th man.
Ben Joyce is on the 60-day IL. That’s more a matter of the calendar, he can come back mid-August in theory.
Dang. Hammer about Walsh. I liked him and hoped the best for him but understand the decision.
Sad to see Walsh DfA’d. I think he will turn it around.
But We’re so lucky to still have Tucky
I assume Reyes & Silseth will be sent down then ? Lopez & Lucas will need to be added onto the 26 man roster unless he is the 27th man for only one of the double header games.
Maybe Tucky has other special talents we don’t know about? Maybe he’s an artist. Maybe he does those paintings with a straw, where he blows the paint around into pretty shapes…..very colorful.
Why is his he bulletproof and untouchable? He’s holding a roster spot for no apparent reason.
I’m not sure I would DFA him with several worse players on the 40 man, but either way, and the drafting of that 1B with the first pick, it’s clear they’re moving on.
Bummer about Walsh, really liked him and his defense at first.
He can still stick around..maybe go through the process and come back.
I’m starting to think Joyce is done for the year and that’s likely the correct decision.
I agree with you. It is like what happened with Sho, who waited for a few months and pitched to find out the UCL was not quite healed, and underwent Tommy John. Hate to see it, but Joyce and the Angels are probably considering possibility of Tommy John, which appears to be unavoidable anyway.
I’m very certain he’s done for the year.
With all the crappy relievers we have in the pen, they DFA Walsh. Smh
I’m not in love with Giolito, but I don’t mind trading Quero and Bush to get him. Let’s hope there’s another established starter in our future to fill it out the rotation, even if it costs us someone like Canning and/or Ward/Renfroe. I do appreciate we’re making a run for it.
Yeah, Giolito doesn’t seem to be the pitcher he was between 2019-2021. He definitely makes the starting rotation better, but his fielding independent stats aren’t great, so I am not convinced that he has suffered this year from bad luck or from having a poor defense playing behind him. And besides, the Angels defense has been sloppy this year too. Maybe the change of scenery and going to a team that has a chance to make the post-season will motivate him.
Agree, not dominating stuff at all but he does make it better…not largely but better
He’s a local guy, so there’s a chance he’ll want to re-sign with us if things go well the rest of the year.
Unless Ohtani also re-signs, that doesn’t really help. The Angels have Detmers/Sandoval/Canning/Anderson. They need an ace, which Giolito is not.
If Ohtani is that ace, then Giolito fits into a 6-man rotation. If Ohtani isn’t, then the Angels would need to find a way to move Anderson.
That was my assumption. Giolito is no ace.
Comparing Giolito’s current 2023 stats to Angel’s main rotation (Ohtani/Detmers/Sandoval/Anderson/Canning), he would be:
IP – 1st
ERA – 2nd
FIP – 4th
xFIP – 3rd
K/9 – 3rd
BB/9 – 2nd
HR/9 – 5th
WAR – 4th
Looks like a mid-rotation piece that might go a bit deeper in games (if the Angels let him).
Good analysis. I agree. He feels like a 3 or 4 to me. We need someone like Snell to round out the rotation which is easier said than done. Scherzer or Verlander would also be nice if Mets are selling.
Unfortunately, I’m not sure who the Angels have left to trade to get one of those.
I could be totally wrong, but it might not take much if the Mets are focused on shedding payroll in a lost season….
Good with moving Ward and Canning for an upgrade
luck? or idea?
First Game Lineup:
Rengifo
Ohtani
Moniak
Ward
Moustakas
Renfroe
Cabbage
Wallack
Velasquez
Ohtani
Although humid, the weather forecast indicates the temperature will remain in mid 70s until 2 pm EDT, which should help Sho, who hopefully would last 7 innings today. For the second game, Sandoval will have to replenish H2O and electrolytes as necessary.
Let’s do it, Halos!
Sounds like weather that would make skaggs (rip) sweat like crazy in.
still no Neto.
Neto will be playing in the 2nd game
is the line-up out for game two?
It is not, but Nevin confirmed yesterday that Neto will start 1 game today.
I thought he said Neto would play the second game and might get in for defensive replacement for the first. I may be mistaken, though.
Good, Neto needs to get his cranky body in the lineup
I remember Nevin saying yesterday that Neto will play the second game and might get in first game (probably for defensive improvement to remove hee-fo in late innings->winning formula, 5-0 when hee-fo is removed in 7th inning or before when leading).
Correct. Phil said Neto for game 2 today.
Makes sense to me.
Could we get Snell and Soto from the padres? I think we could trade Adell, Renfroe, Barria, and Suarez, Joyce. Something crazy like this. Is that blockbuster enough?
As crazy as it sounds, Padres are not ready yet to be sellers. I got this sneaky feeling that they are going to go with ‘back to the wall’ mentality against Rangers series. I will for obvious reason cheer Padres this weekend. If they win the series, this weekend, they will not sell Snell, Soto, or Hader. If they lose, will see a flurry of activities on July 31 to Aug 1.
I have a soft spot for the Padres. Fun city and great stadium.
Petco Park has moved up to top 3 of my bucket list after reading your posts from there. It also helps that my wife has many relatives there.
Petco is so dope. I’ve only been to 3 MLB parks and have them ranked accordingly:
Big A
Petco
Dodger Stadium
It is.
I’ve been to:
Anaheim
Chaves Ravine
San Diego
Seattle
Milwaukee
Chicago (Cubs)
Detroit
Toronto
Of that group, SD is my favorite.
Boston is on my bucket list.
Awesome list !
Surprised you skipped out on SF and OAK
Really want to hit SF. I have been to Oakland numerous times – for Raider games (back when I cared about football)
SF is overrated. Too many Giants fan go there.https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f600.svg
SF is a wasteland nowadays anyway.
So is Fenway, for the similar reason that too many Chowds go there.
Oddly, in their natural habitat, MFY fans are pretty decent. They made me and the Miss UCs feel at home.
Transplant Chowds that come to Angel Stadium are 10 times worse than Chowds in their natural habitat.
SF is another great ballpark. Was at 3 games there last year. My brother in law is a huge Giants fan.
Petco was definitely nice but PNC park was my favorite. That place is gorgeous
Which is PNC? I don’t bother to memorize the corporate names so I typically go by cities.
Pirates I believe.
Three Rivers’ replacement
IMHO… PNC, Petco, AT&T in SF are the class of MLB
Then Feneway, Wrigley, Camden Yard. Hate to admit it M’s have a nice Home. What ever they call it in Cleveland still holds up. Twins, D-Backs, KC, Doyers, Cards have a great park and surrounding area. Not in any particular order.
Love the Big A, but……
Agreed. Petco is amazing and I love the location right downtown by the water.
I’ve been to LAD, LAA, SD, SF, OAK, STL, DET, BOS, and AZ. Petco my favorite by far, with SF second on that list.
Spot on. Petco and SF are the best. The locations, architecture, atmosphere and views are spectacular at both. I’ve also been to LAA (of course), LAD, OAK, SEA, COL, AZ, NYM, DC, Wrigley and Fenway.
Petco is awesome.
My list:
Anaheim
The Latrine
Petco (awesome stadium)
Oracle (when it was AT&T)
Choakland (The Tarp Covered Monstrosity)
Seattle (also awesome)
Wrigley
MFY Stadium
Nationals Park
Fenway (when I was a kid, but took the stadium tour a few years back)
I’ve only been to the Big A, Petco, Chase Field )D-backs) T-Mobile (Seattle), and the latrine.
The Big A is first because, well duh, Petco is a great park and I like Chase Field as well. T-Mobile was nice as well aside from the absolute clusterphuck that is the concession stand lines. The latrine, ’nuff said.
baseball:
Anaheim, Petco Park, Oakland Coliseum, Chavez Ravine, Fenway, Shea Stadium, Three Rivers and Citizens Bank Park.
Do it. You won’t regret it. Padre fans are chill also.
Stay away when the Doyers are in town. Homeless around the park are a bit of an issue.
But otherwise damn near perfect park. On top of the perfect setting, Gaslamp Quarter, great sight lines, even have the best grass in MLB.
I take my dad to baseball game every Fathers Day. If the Angels are in town we obviously go there. IF they are out of town we go to either Sand Diego or over to Phoenix (I refuse to pay to go to the latrine).
This last Fathers Day we went to San Diego. I had purchased a new vehicle that finally had GPS (previous vehicle was a 2005 model year). Using the GPS to get to the parking structure closest for my 78 year-old dad took us East of Petco Park, somewhere I had not been. Holy smokes, the amount of homeless along the freeway off-ramp and streets was insane, troubling, and depressing all at the same time.
You really should catch a game there. Beautiful place.
We should be ready to leap if they decide to sell. I’dbe pretty comfortable going with that Big 3 if we were lucky enough to qualify for the post-season.
There’s no way San Diego takes that island of misfit toys in exchange for Snell and Soto.
Padres need to help their local SoCal Friends out. Then Preller can remind Ohtani after we win the worlds series and Padres can sign him.
I love Ohtani but I’m okay if he signs with another team if we win it all this season.
My thoughts exactly. He here’s are junk, give us two All Stars. Lulz
Jared Walsh and David Fletcher for Juan Soto and Blake Snell.
Maybe we can throw in Tucker Davidson, maybe
Canning, Bachman, Walsh and Ward for Snell, Hader and Soto
The Padres would laugh at that.
toss yours up there
we got nothing left to trade.
I would tend to agree. It certainly won’t be a big splash like last night
Ohtani?
Too soon
Give me Neto and take Kim back
Only of they throw in Machado for Rendon. Haha
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How about Angels extension and trade. 600 million 10 year extension for Ohtani with a guaranteed trade to Padres after the season for Snell and Soto.
Interesting out of the box thinking….
I really want to see the Angles win a World Series with Ohtani. Ohtani and his agent probably wouldn’t go for this extension and trade though because then they are capping him at 600. Maybe a team will pay more than 600 doing free agency.
Of course there are other blockers like Padres agreeing to it, but I think it is Ohtani signing an extension is the bigger blocker.
That would be obtuse For sure.
We need to go all in! We can accept another playoff drought if we win it all this year. 😀
Upside, we won’t get stuck with a bloated contract. I haven’t seen a 10/10+ year contract workout.
Angels … Angles … Obtuse … right … complementary … supplementary … ANGLES
RIGHT YOU ARE
*excuse the typos. Excited posting. haha
Throw in Rengifo…lol
Arte blocks that deal.
Good, nah, great morning to all, “WE HAVE THE PITCHING!”, as good as anyone or better trying to get in as a Wild Card. Great trade for both clubs. I agree with Fan ’78, PTP may not be done yet. Our Superstar’s wanted to get to the Playoffs, so let’s get there. To borrow an old slogan from Al Davis – Just Win Baby!
We need one more vet arm to give us a chance to make a sustained run. I’ve seen Giolito project out as a #40 or so ranked starter, just to give some context. I’m happy we acquired him, but I’m not sure he’s even a legit #2 and Matt Wise certainly won’t fix him.
“After yesterday’s deals, here’s the Angels pitching depth chart…
SP: Ohtani, Giolito, Detmers, Sandoval, Canning, Anderson (Silseth, Barria, Suarez)
RP: Estévez, Moore, Lopez, Loup, Soriano, Webb, Barria, Reyes, Davidson (one of these guys will go today).
As for position players:
Drury should be back next week (if not sooner). Trout within 2 weeks. O’Hoppe within 3-4. They join Ohtani, Moustakas, Neto, Ward, Moniak, Renfroe, Rengifo, Escobar, Thaiss, etc.”
https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1684561395218632704?t=YZv_R5huZxS_OzyQbVCNbw&s=19
TROUT WILL BE BACK WITHIN 2 WEEKS 🚨🚨🚨
With the addition of Giolito and Lopez (designated as ‘minor’ now lol), I counted the number of players on MLB.com Angel’s 40 man list yesterday night and this morning. Excluding 60 day IL, there are 42 members, which means 2 of them need to come off eventually. Most likely, though don’t have to be, they would come from pitchers.
It is probably safe to assume that Giolito pitching on last Sunday eliminates his participation today, and today being double header, they can add one ‘minor’ player today to active roster. Technically, one can come off today, and another tomorrow, right, Cowboy26?
My bet is Gerardo Reyes is moved back to SLC today, assuming he still has option left, and Tucky tomorrow. I don’t think Tucky has options, so he will be DFA’d tomorrow and will have to clear waivers (good chance of that especially during this busy time of trade Tsunami IMHO) to be back at SLC. Will wait and see for corresponding moves for the next 24 to 36 hours.
Good chance we will see Lopez if he can get to Detroit from Chicago by the second game of DH.
According to RR Reyes has one option left so he can easily be sent back to AAA but that doesn’t solve the log jam on the 40 man.
If Tucky is an odd men out ( great book by the way) then he could be removed from the 40 man and 26 man roster by being DFA’d .
Other candidates for being removed from the 40 man roster are Jimmy Herget, Zach Weiss and possibly Reyes, Kolton Ingram and Andrew Wantz .
Lastly, depending upon Ohtani’s nail, could the Angels go all 5 man rotation to complete the season? Thereby giving Mr. Anderson a permanent seat in the Pen? The Angels hav a series of 6 game on 1 day off cycles in August and September which would force Ohtani to pitch every seven days unless he changes his rest pattern. The other thing they could do is pitch others like Lucas on a 4 day rest pattern ( like he’s used to) thereby minimizing the need for a 6th starter . This will get interesting.
Does that count include the Walsh DFA and Joyce moving to the 60-day IL?
Fletcher listed 17 pitchers (he counted Barria twice and Suarez is still on the 60-day IL, which means he is technically not on the 40-man roster). So two pitchers will have to be sent down by tomorrow. Barria, Loup, Webb, and Davidson are out of options. I expect Reyes and Silseth will be optioned. The Angels could DFA Davidson, which would free up a spot on the 40-man roster. Davidson cannot refuse his assigment.
Send down Reyes and DFA Davidson is my guess.
still need one more move off of 40 man
Davidson will (should) be the odd man out. He blows.
It looks bad because the Angels gave up Iglesias, and he is still a solid closer. But I don’t think Davidson will ever amount to anything more than minor league depth.
Not sure how much looking bad matters to Perry. . Perry just proved to everyone he s got big enough ones to even trade his ownprized draftees and signees .
I think Iglesias was a salary dump. Interestingly, he’s been very mediocre in Atlanta. Very ordinary peripherals.
Long time lurker, first time commenter.
I think I’m ok with this trade for the mere fact that Quero was blocked by O’Hoppe. We traded from a surplus which is what you’re supposed to do. Bush has upside but also some injury history.
It would have been great to have made this trade 3 weeks ago but better late than never.
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Fray? Wait a second, I was told this is a “Fray Free” zone! There shall not be any “frays” or “kerfuffles”
Shemp: “them’s fightin woids in my country!”
Bad Guy: “Well then, let’s fight!”
Shemp: (shudders) – “this ain’t my country!”
love them kerfuffles.
Especially the nougat-filled ones.
Are you sure it’s not a bobbery?
It’s kerfluffle! A pox on you kerfufflers.
Welcome to the family
Welcome! Jump on in, the waters fine.
Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani have given their everything to this franchise — 4 MVPs between them (should be 7) and countless memories.
The correct decision was made to go “all in”. Finally.
Our 2nd best player this season, Mickey Moniak, was acquired for 2 months of a broken Thor.
Prospects come and go, while most of them flame out. We will be fine without future superstars (or future grocery store baggers) Edgar Quero and Ky Bush.
Actual superstars Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani, the undisputed best players in game since 2010, deserve this. WE as Angels fan DESERVE THIS.
Lets rock and roll baby
We’re number 1! We’re number 1!
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At having the worst farm in the MLB.
https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/farm-system-rankings
That’s a discussion for the doldrums of the offseason. Enjoy the moment.
it’s ok to discuss now – i think we were already last PRIOR to the trade so hard to go any lower. Maybe we’ll hit 89th out of 30 in the off season.
I really like the trade, but let’s pray that Giolito doesn’t go all Anderson on us.
Love trading the prospects but Giolito is not a dominant arm that I was hoping to see acquired
market shifted unfortunately. We had to overpay to make it happen due to shifting conditions.
Now that Ohtani is offically off the market, I expect the flood gates to open.
Angels being undecided on Ohtani was certainly slowing down the action.
I admire Perry’s hutzpah. On the same day he keeps Ohtani, he immediately gets the best pitcher available. I was worried that with all the Ohtani waiting, Perry would miss out on everything else – whether it’s buying or selling.
But he strikes first, and it’s a big shot across the board.
I wonder if the Ohtani “announcement” (it was a leak), though, accidentally raised the cost for any pitchers in trades.
I also wonder if dangling the possibility of an Ohtani trade was a ruse to slow down other trades until the Angels could figure out which way to go
I agree with you there, I’m impressed by Perry in this regard.
All that crap with Ohtani could have made us dilly-dally around so we missed out on everyone else, and ended up “standing pat” at the deadline which would have been really silly. Good job Perry for at least acting once he chose his direction.
If we make Baldoquin available, What do you think we can get in return?
A number 1 SP
A Slick fielding, power hitting 1B/3B
Dipshit may even give us Julio for him
(Of course we would have to re-sign Baldo first)
Add in Maitan and we could get TWO #1 SP’s