Milwaukee is one of my favorite teams. Small market team that does it the right way.
Angels vs. Brewers Game 1 Gamethread
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Trusted Member
10 days ago
Murphy last night and Kerry tonight look as good as anyone else in the pen. (Not the second coming of Mariano Rivera but serviceable)
Trusted Member
10 days ago
When you see what the Mariners got for a – WAR starter, Angels may get the entire starting roster from someone. Fingers crossed.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2026/08/white-sox-to-acquire-luis-castillo.html
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Legend
10 days ago
The White Sox absorbed ALL of Castillo’s salary, this year and next. Trader Jerry really cleaned up here.
And I like Boston Smith a lot – underrated catcher he picked up in the deal.
Super Member
10 days ago
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Legend
10 days ago
Very much appreciate the candor from Moz. It’s refreshing.
Super Member
10 days ago
At least it’s professional.
Legend
10 days ago
I’d say it is part of the job
Super Member
10 days ago
Maybe so but it wasn’t part of Perry’s job.
Legend
10 days ago
100%, Perry creepily hid from the media and fanbase and when he did talk, it was guided
Legend
10 days ago
Yep. Arte wasn’t keeping Perry in hiding, Perry kept himself away from the media. What a weasel
Super Member
10 days ago
Definitely change of pace from Perry’s mouthful of nothing burgers that ends in “we’re looking forward to playing meaningful games in September”
Legend
10 days ago
Makes me believe a little more that Arte is removed from decisions (for now) and Moz has some autonomy. That is not an Arte-like statement since transparency is a 4 letter word to him.
Last edited 10 days ago by Fansince1971
Super Member
10 days ago
How has nobody mentioned that Suter is starting tonight. I figured that information would get this place quite a buzz.
Last edited 10 days ago by AngelsFanInHell
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Legend
10 days ago
Just scroll down a little, and you’ll see that folks were talking about the Suter start and the Soriano scratch earlier today.
Legend
10 days ago
Ryan Johnson optioned to AAA
Brett Kerry called up
Super Member
10 days ago
Who is Brett Kerry?
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Wow, rough stats at SLC.
Legend
10 days ago
5th rounder in Perry’s all pitcher draft. A career minor leaguer whose name is not needed to be remembered
Last edited 10 days ago by Pineapple12
Super Member
10 days ago
Thanks. I just looked. I think this is to add a pitcher for today’s game and has nothing to do with Johnson other than he pitched last night.
Legend
10 days ago
Good call. Johnson was regressing.
The dude being called up is destined to be DFA’d….
Super Member
10 days ago
Yankees selling?
They traded Doval to Pitt for 2 prospects. Granted, Doval isn’t the same reliever as he was for the Giants. But he’s still a reliever and can eat up some innings in the playoffs were starters play in fewer innings.
Super Member
10 days ago
Maybe they’re clearing space for improvement.
Legend
10 days ago
On the whole, I’ve moved my position to 55/45 on the “trade them all” front.
We’re a shitty last place team with these dudes and we’ll likely maintain our grip on last place with them.
Basically, we can’t truly reset this franchise without actually resetting – i.e., trading established assets for a plethora of prospects.
Let’s do it. I think. Haha
Last edited 10 days ago by BannedInLA
Legend
10 days ago
LFG 😇
Legend
10 days ago
There’s certainly risk in trading for prospects, even if those prospects are major league ready. However I believe there’s more risk in this team doing nothing at this trade deadline.
The franchise has not been competitive in over a decade. The franchise is not winning with Detmers, Neto, Adell, Soriano, Trout, Schanuel, etc. There’s no guarantee that the prospects in the Angels system today will make the team competitive before the aforementioned players hit free agency.
It’s time to blow it up.
I agree that there’s risk that Moz will not get enough talent in return if he trades our “best” players. I believe it’s unlikely he does anything worse than Minisian did over the past 4.5 years as GM. I also believe there’s a stronger possibility that Moz will begin laying the foundation for the team to succeed in the future.
I’m willing to give Moz a chance and judge the results of his efforts at the end of the season.
Legend
10 days ago
Are you in Virginia? I’m at Colonial Downs, part of the entourage for the favorite in the Arlington Million , about to go off in an hour 😬 🐎
Legend
10 days ago
Yes, I live 25 miles west of Charlottesville, Virginia.
Enjoy the ponies – have a good time!
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Legend
10 days ago
Passing though Charlottesville next Monday (week after this) on a college tour with my son.
Legend
10 days ago
There’s a lot of very good schools in the area, which one are you checking out?
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Legend
10 days ago
UVA and University of Richmond. Last leg of a ten day road trip down from Maine. My son is narrowing his list, applying in October.
Legend
10 days ago
Both are really good schools academically. I had my surgery at UVA; I can’t say enough great things about the healthcare professionals there. Lots of history in the Richmond area: Williamsburg, Yorktown, and not too far from Virginia Beach. UVA gets you the Shenandoah Valley and 90 minutes to the DC area.
Enjoy the visit to the area!
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Legend
10 days ago
Looking forward to it!
Legend
10 days ago
Cavaliers and the Spiders, I’ve made a lot of parlays on those squads back in the day
Legend
10 days ago
Richmond basketball was my 2nd last bet ever. I’ve never forget their epic sell job 😂
Legend
10 days ago
LOL..The Atlantic 10 conference was special, loved all those teams. Used to study that conference pretty hard for an edge. UMass, Xavier, George Wash, Rhode Island, St. Bonny, Dayton, LaSalle, St. Joe’s, St. Louis, VCU…always competitive. Every year, invested in the Blue Ribbon College Basketball guide, nothing was finer for intel. Great read even if you did not gamble. Still is published every year.
Legend
10 days ago
Can’t complain, our boy just won the Arlington Million! 🥂🥂🥂
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Legend
10 days ago
Jahmai on the move again for the Red Sox’s #44 prospect.
Legend
10 days ago
“Good dude” I think his WS check with the Yanks matched his career earnings
Trusted Member
11 days ago
The Brewers just shipped a pitcher (Craig Yoho) to Cleveland. Clearing room for Soriano?
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Legend
10 days ago
Let’s hope. Balanced package for Jose:
Legend
10 days ago
Let’s get greedy and replace Ragsdale with Payne.
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Legend
10 days ago
Given the choice, I’ll take Ragsdale. Payne’s 66% contact rate scares me, and his in-zone contact rate is worse than 87% of hitters in the minors. That spooks my horses.
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Angels website shows Suter is starting and Soriano is not.
Legend
11 days ago
More transparency from Moz.
Is this real life?
Legend
11 days ago
Translation : I got some nibbles at the bait, just waiting to set the hook.
Trusted Member
11 days ago
It is not only refreshing his candor and he strings together words that make sense.
Not like most GMs that say a bunch of words that mean nothing.
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Just as contrast this is a quote today from Elias, the GM in Baltimore.
“We’re not going to have a strong bias towards being in one of those buckets, buyer or seller. I think we put ourselves in a position where we can’t have a bias in either direction,” Elias said.
Legend
10 days ago
This quotes tells me he’s ready to run for congress.
Coach/manager speak is insipid 99% of the time. That is probably why I liked Joe Maddon. His responses were often bizarre and not always correct, but, they were at least forthcoming.
Trusted Member
11 days ago
If Perry was still our GM, he would be saying he really likes the team and that he will listen to other GMs on offers while looking to improve the team and play meaningful games in September.
Legend
11 days ago
Just dropping into the gamethread to wish you all a Happy Day That Does Not Exist!!!!
Legend
11 days ago
Thank you Red, and since it is a day that does not exist, there will be a bullpen game by The Angels, from a bullpen that does not exist, in a game that does not exist, today….. well, if today actually existed.
Super Member
10 days ago
I remember that nonexistent day well.
Super Member
10 days ago
Still hate that Scioscia had to gaslight us about not pinch running for Morales.
Newbie
10 days ago
we were all so innocent back in 2012.
Legend
11 days ago
Teams that have checked in with Los Angeles Angels interim general manager John Mozeliak on pitchers Jose Soriano and Reid Detmers have described his asking price as “wild” and “ridiculous,” leaving some to wonder if the negative reaction to the return for Logan O’Hoppe and Chase Silseth has prompted a harder line.
Mozeliak, however, is far from alone in his demands.
The bar for accessing starting pitching remains really high with two days left until the trade deadline.
Given that, a rival executive pointed out, it is not unreasonable for Mozeliak to have high demands for two starters who are controllable through 2028.
Prices always come down significantly as the deadline creeps closer, but this year’s standings, with 22 teams still within four games of a playoff spot, have taken that to another level. The expectation from many at the start of the week was that almost all of the action would take place in the final hours leading up to Monday’s 3 p.m. PT deadline. It’s still trending in that direction. — Alden Gonzalez
Super Member
10 days ago
I don’t think the negative reaction is what’s driving Moz’s “wild” asking price. I mean, what did anyone think we would get for a bad catcher and so-so reliever?!
It’s only reasonable his asks are “ridiculous” because these are two controllable, above-average starters. I’m biased, but if you ask me, after Skubal, I would consider Reid the next biggest prize out there, just considering his sheer talent and that he’s not gone in FA after this season.
Trusted Member
11 days ago
A smart man would leave this discussion. (Luckily I am not smart) But at the trade deadline, there are two groups. “Buyers” and “Sellers.” If your team is a “seller” one needs to look at the deadline from the point of view of a “buyer.” Typically they are in the playoff hunt and want to improve their CURRENT team. As a seller, you are out of the playoff hunt and are looking to improve your Next Year(s) team. So it will be higher value current players on your team you can trade for virtually no one on the buyer’s current roster but down on the farm. The buyer doesn’t want to disrupt their current team. The seller doesn’t care about his current team. Only next year(s) team. That allows trades to be made.
Super Member
11 days ago
I’m not going to get upset because we’re already at the bottom, but if we don’t trade everybody, and particularly the big 3, nothing has really changed. It’s all window dressing and new paint and it will be at least 4-5 years with significant money needing to be spent for us to be competitive. We’ll sound better, maybe draft better, and maybe have a better manager, but our performance will not change significantly, because our talent will not change.
Legend
11 days ago
Suppose we do trade the big three but get crap back…. So essentially pennies on the dollar like we did in the Silseth/O’Hoppe trade, then what have we achieved ?
Nothing.
Not only would we not have moved forwards we would have gone backwards…. Despite your intense desire to have something to talk about RIGHT NOW !, that is not what is best for the organization. If teams are not willing to trade their top 1-3 prospects, or perhaps 5-10 plus proven everyday players then tell them to go F _ themselves. We are not here to make other teams better at a bargain basement price !!
Last edited 11 days ago by JackFrost
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Agree about not wanting K-Mart blue light specials in return. But we also will not be offered top 1-3 prospects or 5-10 plus proven everyday players. I don’t think even Skubal will gather that kind of return. I think if this is Mo’s asking price then the trading is done.
I think the idea that we could get six AA kids in return for our three best players is a bit excessive. I won’t consider no more trading being buttercuped necessarily. I’m not looking at competing for a WC until 2029. But I’m wrong a lot so …
Legend
11 days ago
There is NO WAY I would accept just six AA kids in return for all three…. You are saying we couldn’t get that, hell I wouldn’t accept it ! That would be getting screwed big time !!! Maybe you trade Detmers for a highly ranked AAA player and a highly ranked AA player added in, but for Soriano and Neto you need proven MLB talent back in return, or don’t trade them. The exception would be if a team is giving you a Top 10 Draft pick from this year or last that is highly ranked by Baseball America…
But there is no way in hell you trade either Soriano or Neto for AA talent, even if it were two to three guys, unless all three were highly ranked…. You need proven players back in return, especially proven first or second All Star level pitcher for Soriano, if not an All Star level position player, cause that is how good Soriano is !
BTW, you misinterpreted the 5-10, that was a ranking not number of players.
Last edited 11 days ago by JackFrost
Trusted Member
11 days ago
I did get the 5-10 was ranking. I see I didn’t write that well.
I do think the pendulum has shifted from the HR/SO offense outcome to actually hitting the ball. Imho, that leaves Neto a little behind other SS like Otto Lopez of the Marlins.
Getting two top OF prospects from the Dodgers for Reid would be great.
Mo is said to be a conservative trader so I am pretty confident he won’t trade for the sake of it. We’ll find out on Monday, I guess.
Que sera sera – Doris Day
Super Member
10 days ago
I don’t think you adequately take budget and years of control into consideration when you make these arguments.
Soriano will be a free agent in a little over two years. We could feasibly bring him back at that time (or sign a similar caliber player). In fact, there would be extra cash sitting around from NOT paying out his two arbitration years.
On top of that, we would also have 2-3 additional higher potential players coming up into the system due to the trade.
These trades are about aligning cash flow, budget, and talent maturity into a competitive window. It’s not supposed to be about keeping as much talent on the major league roster as possible at all times. Only the Dodgers and Mets can live in a world where they just pay everyone all the time.
Last edited 10 days ago by TrojanBoiler
Super Member
11 days ago
There is no backwards at this point and the likelihood of getting crap back is very low. We cannot be worse off than we are now. I can guarantee though that what ever we get back, you will be unhappy with. It’s ok, Your opinion is that we should stand pat unless we can make very unrealistic trades, and mine is that if we don’t trade we have no chance of getting better. There is no factual data to support either of us, it’s just our prediction of the future based on what we believe the result will be of trading or not trading.
Teams that we are trading with are not giving us back proven everyday players because they need them for the playoffs and nothing we’re trading is worth someone’s top 3 prospects. The guys you want to hang onto will be gone in 2-3 years, without any return and one of those years there will be no baseball.
Worrying about worst case scenarios is a waste of time.
Legend
11 days ago
YOU say they are “not worth Top 1-3 prospects, but that is “just like your opinion man.” In what world is a proven All Star (or very near All Star) Major Leaguer under 30 not worth a guy who has never played a singe game in the Majors ????? I mean, this is just CRAZY thinking ! The fact that so many pundits subscribe to this does not make it sane…. In fact it is insane.
Soriano has one of the top three swing and miss pitches in the entire League ! He was on his way to starting in the All Star game before hitting a snag in May, but his stuff is still electric ! And you want to give him away for two unproven AA players who maybe never player a single game in the Majors, let alone be a front line starter at an All Star level ?!
I DON’T want any of what you are smoking ! I will keep Soriano thank you.
Last edited 11 days ago by JackFrost
Legend
11 days ago
You keep repeating the same point over and over. Do you honestly believe we all want trades because we’re bored and will accept any shitty return?
Multiple people have given you rational responses but you keep creating a straw man. You’re killing me Frosty. It’s the same argument you used for why we weren’t supposed to trade Shohei
Legend
11 days ago
Its the same argument because people keep promoting the shame bullshit. Fortunately Mozeliak is not as dumb as you guys are…. And there is no straw man here ….
Last edited 11 days ago by JackFrost
Legend
11 days ago
Why are we dumb? Because we disagree with you?
Legend
10 days ago
Not simply because you disagree with me, but because the position you guys are taking is dumb. !
Super Member
10 days ago
I don’t get it either. The trade deadline puts teams in two buckets – sellers and buyers. The point of selling is to give up the hopeless present for a better future. And the point of buying is to (relatively) give up the future for a championship in the present. A championship will always be worth more than any prospects buyers can horde.
Therefore, there are no buyers in their right minds who will give up any of their established players because the whole point of buying is to win the championship NOW. No one is giving up any of their current important players just to replace them with important players from other teams . That defeats the purpose of “buying” and no team in their right mind will do that. It’s asinine. The point of buying is to add, not to replace.
Last edited 10 days ago by smithy610
Super Member
11 days ago
Just so you know Frosty, I would support your desire to keep everyone if Arte was willing to raise the payroll to $300M to supplement our pitching with 3-4 legitimate middle of the order bats, a catcher, and some bullpen arms. Since I don’t see that happening, I believe the next best thing is what I am proposing.
The roster we have is last place, what will make it different in the future if there are no changes? We are way farther away than a few good players from being good.
Legend
11 days ago
Mozeliak DID say recently that “there are resources here.”
Maybe he was saying we CAN extend some of these guys….
Super Member
11 days ago
Ummm
Super Member
11 days ago
As of August 1st, the Angels now have four batters in the line up with 100 or more K’s, with Peraza knocking on the door with 89.
I personally don’t think the trade value of Neto may be as great as some may believe. His defense is subpar. His offense, the home runs aside, is detrimental. Particularly with his prolific strike out rate.
Legend
11 days ago
13 WAR since 2024, controllable thru 2029. Neto has immense value lol
Legend
11 days ago
Perceived value.
Value will be determined by reality. What are teams willing to part with to acquire him? I suspect less than you presume, i.e., real value.
Legend
11 days ago
That’s fair. Isn’t your presumption that Neto’s value is less than what I think it is also perceived value?
I base my opinion on stats, trade simulator value, and industry opinions (i.e. Passan). I doubt Neto gets traded and if he doesn’t we won’t know his real value
Legend
10 days ago
I think his K rate & defensive inconsistency + the probable demands from our GM = diminished value.
That said, I could be entirely wrong and won’t die on this hill. I’m going with my gut instinct here.
Legend
11 days ago
Agree, Neto is young and astute teams may consider his down year is attributable to being on the Angels. Zach’s trade value high as the best hitter on the market.
Legend
11 days ago
Hey Moz, don’t let JeDi beat you to the punch …
Multiple teams have engaged the Seattle Mariners on a potential trade for right-hander George Kirby and get the sense he is available and could be moved before the Aug. 3 deadline, sources tell ESPN. Mariners have been listening on starters Emerson Hancock and Luis Castillo, too.
Trusted Member
11 days ago
While it is quiet today, I will post my Mea Culpa. I consider myself an OLD baseball fan. Not smart, just old. But about 15 years ago, I started watching “rebuilds.” So that put the Angels on my radar for this year and perhaps subsequent years. This means Moz will be interesting to watch. (Astros losing 100, then the Orioles, and now Angels.)
Super Member
11 days ago
Did we trade anyone yet?
Legend
11 days ago
😔💔
Legend
11 days ago
I mentioned this the other day.
In the Haloverse, I’ve found that no news is generally good news.
sometimes it can be good news (bye bye Perry) but once a trade for prospects is made, there likely will be wailing and gnashing of teeth for an underwhelming return.
Super Member
11 days ago
Regardless, without trading, we will continue to be one of the 3 or 4 worst teams for years to come. Moz has to get it done or everything else becomes irrelevant.
Legend
11 days ago
I’m getting nervous that we’re getting buttercupped
Super Member
11 days ago
I’m not nervous but I’m so far disappointed and not encouraged. We have a small window of hope that we need come to fruition. I believe this is huge for the near term future of the club.
Legend
11 days ago
I think it’ll happen. I expect we’ll be split on the return. If there’s baseball next year we’ll be competitive in 2029, otherwise 2030. I’m gonna make myself comfortable and hope for the best
Super Member
11 days ago
I think you’re right about the return. I don’t think we’ll make bad trades, I just think our expectations for what we’ll get back are probably inflated. I don’t see position players in our current farm system though that will provide much value for us in that time frame. Those players here with 3-4 years of control will be gone by then and the others currently on the roster will be in arbitration. Whether or not we spend money and how well we spend it is up in the air and we can’t do what Houston and others did because the rules have changed. I just don’t see a path forward for us to be much more than a .500 team during the time frame unless we make some radical changes to either the roster, the farm, our spending, or all of the above. I am very pessimistic without making significant trades in the next 3 days.
Legend
11 days ago
I think you would feel better with a couple more Top 100 prospects. I know you’d feel better if Minasian drafted Kade instead of the oft injured guy we got.
Super Member
11 days ago
Yes I would. People just need to understand that the reality is that we are in really bad shape and it will take some years to turn things around. Probably at least 3 under the best of circumstances and likely more. But every year we delay dealing with it just kicks the can down the road.
Legend
11 days ago
We need to use the leverage of the ticking time clock. Contenders need upgrades more than we need to get rid of decent players with several years of team control. Patience.
Super Member
11 days ago
I don’t disagree.
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Just an opinion, “Pat’s Wallbangers” is not a catchy at “Harvey’s Wallbangers.”
Super Member
11 days ago
They’re missing Cecil Cooper, Gorman Thomas, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Ben Ogilvie, and Ted Simmons. They had a 10 WAR player, a 6 WAR player, 2 5 WAR players, and 2 3.5 WAR players. 3 HOFs.
Last edited 11 days ago by Roy Hobbs
Super Member
11 days ago
Our 82 team was also off the charts good with 2 HOFs and 2 guys who probably should be in the HOF.
Super Member
11 days ago
Both teams were old. All of our starters were 30 or older and the Brewers were all 28 or older except for Molitor and Yount. They don’t make them like they used to.
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Speaking of that. Back around 1972 I went to a Rangers game and warmups were happening. I wasn’t paying attention and the Tigers started batting practice. The “sound” of the bats changed dramatically. (Kaline, Cash, Freehan, Rodriguez, Horton)
Super Member
11 days ago
Willie Horton 🙂
Legend
11 days ago
Prime Paul Molitor was fantastic.
A .306 career hitter.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/molitpa01.shtml
Super Member
11 days ago
Ted Simmons was a nice guy.
Legend
11 days ago
As a Sun Devil, I love Murph!!
