LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Anti-List

Here is an anti-shopping list for the Angels. It concerns areas of need on contending teams. Do we have any solutions for these teams? Do they have any prospects for us that are worthwhile? The article itself completely ignores the Angels. People are definitely crossing Sandoval off their lists at this point. They should. He is having UCL surgery.

Who will be the next lucky contestant on “Pitching With The Scars?”

The American League All Star voting thus far does not hold much promise for the Angels position players. We will probably see Anderson get selected as the Angels lone representative just as predicted. The National League current tally is here. All the Giants players wore number 24 last night in honor of Willie Mays.

Mets Closer Edwin Diaz was ejected for sticky stuff. He says it was just dirt and rosin but Vic Carapazza did not agree. In other Mets news, they designated catcher Joe Hudson for assignment.

The Orioles designated Nick Maton for assignment in order to make roon for Heston Kjerstad. Reds outfielder TJ Friedl wound up on the injured list with a hamstring strain.

The Astros called up pitcher Jake Bloss from Double-A for Friday night’s game and he was on the injured list by the following day.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Twebur
Legend
18 days ago

Detmers tonight, 2 innings so far, 5 earned, 2 HRs.

BannedInLA
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Sounds like he’s ready to return

MikeSalmon
Super Member
18 days ago

Bottom 5 Worst Teams in MLB (as of today):

  1. White Sox 21-59 .263
  2. Marlins and Rockies 27-51 .346 (identical run differential: -124)
  3. A’s 29-52 .358
  4. Angels 31-46 .403

In order to get out of the Embarrassing Five, the Blue Jays are 3 games ahead of us. After that, it’s a wolfpack of mediocrity spread over both leagues. I don’t see us getting out of the bottom five unless Trout and/or Rendon come back.

Let the kids play.

FungoAle
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  MikeSalmon

If Rendon comes back, good chance we sink further.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Wow, this loser organization wanted to keep suarez after all. What a joke.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Guys, I’m getting the sense that this team’s not all that good and may not win the World Series.

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago

How dare you jump to conclusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDEL4Ty950Q

halofansince1978
Super Member
18 days ago

For many years to come!!

RexFregosi
Super Member
18 days ago

yeah realistically, i’m doubting we will even win the division, but with the return of Suarez and a couple additions of veterans at the deadline, there’s still chance.

if not, we will have to seetle for a wild card spot.

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago

So what do you know Miggy Sano? He’s back while The plumber got flushed to the Salty Lake.

Still no word on who will start on Wednesday or Friday but we know it wont be Silseth or Detmers. Im guessing Davis Daniel who last pitched in AAA on June 20th will pitch for the Angels tomorrow. That means one of our 10 bullpen pitchers ( Only Joyce, Zuniga, Crouse and Marie have options left) will need to get optioned after the game tonight

Last edited 18 days ago by Cowboy26
YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
18 days ago

6 – 7 with a 2.48 era shows how pathetic this offense can be quite often.

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
18 days ago

I was right about Rendon and Ward so far, but missed on Detmers and Silseth. However, they both have a chance to recover and play out the rest of the season once Perry trades Anderson for players/picks that will not help the franchise.

I guess I missed on Sano as well, since I couldn’t have imagined a heating pad injury. However, since he in Angel, anything can happen.

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Twebur
Legend
18 days ago

Trading season warming up PTP…….Trade Anderson before he gets hurt, or regression sets in.

Didn’t know he was still baseball, but the M’s and Brewers see eye to eye on a trade.

https://x.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1805682623450333513

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

I wonder who’s still angry about us not signing Keuchel back in the day.

Remember that guys?

I do.

Stupid Billy. Cheap Arte.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
18 days ago

looks like you were wrong on just about everything. “I guess I missed on Sano” is especially …well, funny. We all probably missed on some things. I wanted Jordan Montgomery, now with a 5.71 ERA, a -0.8 WAR.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I wanted Monty too…. fartz.

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago

Hall?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I wanted Colin Montgomerie to sit on the bench and say rude things about the US Open

clover_black
Super Member
18 days ago

taylor ward is having an amazing MVP year.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
18 days ago

My preseason pick of sandoval winning cy young doesn’t look promising does it? Lol

Joyce, Soriano, neto, ohoppe, and schanuel, the future looks bright my fellow halo honkers 🤘

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I thought he’d be good this year too. 350+ innings of experience. Solid velocity changes. Good out pitch…. but nyet

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
18 days ago

He will have tj surgery, get released, come back and have a great year on a cheap deal for another team.

Twebur
Legend
18 days ago

Prospects ready to climb the ladder — one from each team

June 19th, 2024

Angels: Adrian Placencia, 2B/SS (No. 12)
Given how aggressive the Angels are as an organization in terms of moving guys up levels, it’s a little surprising the 21-year-old Placencia is in Single-A, but pumping the breaks on him might have been just what was needed. He had been pushed to High-A and even Double-A in 2023 without much success (.664 OPS), so the Angels sent him back to Single-A Inland Empire. He has a .923 OPS there so far and has a .297/.415/.584 line over his last 30 days, so it might be time to see how he can handle a move back up to High-A Tri-City.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-prospects-who-could-be-promoted-2024

RexFregosi
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

sounds like an ideal candidate to trade for veteran reinforcements for the 2024 Pennant drive

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  RexFregosi

We have to keep Drury and his mom happy.

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

He failed at High A last year. They just moved him back to Tri City last week and So far hes 2 for 12 with 3 walks and 6 strikeouts.

I know hes only 21 but hes got a looong way to go to get to a point to even call him a prospect.

Twebur
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Are you implying in another 4 years we’ll have a replacement for Paris?

trAdition

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Forget Paris.

clover_black
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

we’ll always have paris

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  clover_black

But especially in the springtime.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
18 days ago

Interesting to note the anti wish list says the Phillies need a Center Fielder. They just traded us O’Hoppe for one.

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Let’s send them Pillar for anything.

FungoAle
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Let’s send them Trout for Stott, just get something

steelgolf
Super Member
18 days ago

I’m kind of still in shock this morning about an Angels starting pitcher actually going 7 innings!!! INCONCEIVABLE!!!!

Pineapple12
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The gap between the Dodgers and Angels is the same gap between the Angels and A’s.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Made me think of: “Who’s Fabio?” He’s a shortstop for Seattle. LOL

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I mean, in your mind, maybe. Standings-wise A’s/Angels very similar animals.

JackFrost
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Canning looked SOOO bad in April.

I am actually encouraged right now that he can establish himself as a viable starter in MLB for the next 4-5 years… let’s hope he continues with this trend.

RexFregosi
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

INCONCEIVABLE: one starter goes 7 innings

NATURAL ORDER: another starter is out till 2026 because of TJ

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
18 days ago

So, let’s assume Sandoval needs TJ. He’s a Free Agent in 2027. Do you non-tender him next year or do you try and extend him? I’ll start. I’d talk, but it would have to be a team friendly deal with options if they are right. Basically I’d non-tender him, because I don’t think he’d sign the type of deal I’d want.

Twebur
Legend
18 days ago

So, let’s assume Sandoval needs TJ.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

I need to catch up. LOL

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
18 days ago

What are Arte and PTP waiting for Trout and Rendon’s value for trading to increase? Start being a salesman boys, change the course of this leaky tub. Didn’t holding on to what you with Ohtani teach you guys anything?

clover_black
Super Member
18 days ago

not only are they overpaid husks of their former selves… they both have full no trade clauses.

angelslogic
Super Member
18 days ago

Stefanic – 1 for 15
Adell – 1 for 18
Schanuel – 0 for 14

Schanuel just came off a hot streak so I will cut him some slack.

Stefanic has only been up with the team for a little more than a week so, although he is flailing, he is allowed more time to marinate.

Adell, on the other hand, needs to be sent down. His pan has flashed. Slash line is .111/.174/.175 for the month of June. No bueno.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Schanuel is not the 1b answer, but there is no one else just yet.

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago

That was fast. Another Minasian whiff?

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago

No hes not because he’s probably our next Manager.

Per Fletch:

“I’m going to go out on a limb,” Washington said. “If I had to choose one that would be a tremendous manager, it would probably be (Nolan) Schanuel. He’s got the temperament. “I’m beginning to see this kid start to understand the game. I’m beginning to see it. He asks some real good questions. He’s now involved in the game. He might not have been as involved two months ago. He’s real involved now. He’s a very smart guy.”

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

He hits like a manager.

Cowboy26
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Soccer manager.

Twebur
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Noodle Shop manager.

JackFrost
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

If there is a place for Joey Gallo in MLB (a career .195 hitter) then there should be a place for Jo Adell.

Sure, prime Gallo only hit .200 but he was doing it with 30+ bombs per year … He also did it with a decent amount of walks, averaging about .350 OBP.

Jo’s defense has improved significantly, and he has the potential to steal 20 + bases quite easily …. So, if he hits .205-.220 with 30 HR and 25 SB is that enough to keep him in the League ? I think it could be if he plays excellent defense. The all fields power is definitely there, so I think realistically he can average 30 HR per year. The game is moving in the direction of three true outcomes; BB, K or HR.

Of course, this would not be my preference for a career projection, but it may be feasible…

Last edited 18 days ago by JackFrost
YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Adell playing in rf and more often definitely helped him improve his defense.

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

It’s going to be hard to steal 25 bases if you’re never on first. Not a lot of opportunities when you are either making an out our hitting for extra bases.

Last edited 18 days ago by TrojanBoiler
Angelz4ever
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I disagree. Gallo is an aging veteran and Adell is an Angel 1st round pick. Those picks aren’t (And shouldn’t be) given up on lightly.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I’d give up maybe if he were blocking someone. But what? We should have signed an FA instead of playing him all season? Why? Is there a prospect he’s blocking? Nope. So I’m with you. Let him flail around and see if he can get it together. There’s no need to be impatient with it other than just “something is making me pissy”.

Pineapple12
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

We’ve seen enough of Stefanic. Bring Sano back up.

It’s so hard to evaluate Schanuel right now. Inevitably, he will need to make changes to his swing because whatever he’s doing isn’t sustainable. He’s 22 and learning.

It’s about over for Jo. His swing is way too long and rarely gets his front foot down in time. I have no idea why he hasn’t adapted the reduced toe tap that Ohtani (and now Neto) does.

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

He had the more compact swing during his hot streak. Can’t the crack coaching staff fix it. The use of the word crack is intentional.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Adell has no options and cannot be sent down w/o clearing waivers. I doubt that he would.

smithy610
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Unlike Suarez, I also think Jo will easily be claimed on waivers. Maybe not as a starter but as a 4th OF, a pinch runner off the bench. Those types will be valuable for playoff teams.

And of course, the inevitable “so and so team” fixed Adell’s swing while the Angels couldn’t

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Agreed. If Jo is on waivers he might simply change dugouts tonight and become an A. The White Sox will be down an OF or two soon, they might claim him first.

Most likely Jo doesn’t pan out but at this point we might as well keep the lottery ticket rather than lose it.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yup, it’s not like there is a better prospect to bring up and try out. Let adell ride it out through this lost season and let him move on next year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

But Jeff, the team needs to make me FEEL like they are trying to compete becausth I’m stupid.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

I can see him getting picked up, but not for that role. That role is filled with a vet who has usually produced before in playoff situations.

Last edited 18 days ago by YOUknowulovetheIE
MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Adell has no options. Someone will take him and fix him.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  angelslogic

Yeah, but Stephanic is white, scrappy and bald sooo….. keeper?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  angelslogic

I actually think Adell and especially Nolan may work out well in the end. Both look really good when they aren’t getting beat and messing up their swings. Kind of like Howie Kendrick and sliders down and away a few years back. If they cut down on the ABs where they abandon what works they will likely be more akin to the “hot version” of themselves. Nolan, if he doesn’t sell out for power, could be a great contact hitter with a little pop. That’s fine with me, I don’t have insecurities about a 1B only having 12 HR if he hit’s 300 and has a high OBP. It’s not impossible to find an extra 13 HR in the other 8 batters in the line up.

I’m totally willing to give them more than a couple months to do this even if it means sacrificing the champihamshit level of baseball quality strives that a real man of baseball demands. I’ll even allow for a few more ugly slumps. Same with Neto and Logan if needed.

This is the year for ugly adjustment periods. Demandachamp guy can go watch the Olympics. Or the Lakers…. oh, ooops.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
18 days ago

Arte spotting. Here’s what could be heard for those on the “inside.” “We look pretty good, our team is promising. Glad we held onto Sandoval, we could have traded him, but now we can try to keep him when he returns from TJ and lure him away from free agency. Let’s hold on to all our guys who have value. We’re loaded with talent.”

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Pineapple12
Super Member
18 days ago

Fantastic LAT article on Neto.

So, when the Angels finally return to the playoffs for the first time since 2014, you will be the shortstop?

“That’s right,” Neto said. “That’s right.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/story/2024-06-24/zach-neto-standout-angels-future

Pineapple12
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Neto leads all Angels’ position players with 2.1 WAR.

Sorry Trouty, Neto is the captain now.

Last edited 18 days ago by Pineapple12
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’d go with O’Hoppe as the captain before Neto. As a teammate I’d have a difficult time taking Neto seriously as long as he models the eye black smear from beneath his eye to the jawline. He’s a pro now it’s time to man-up.

Twebur
Legend
18 days ago

First off, I’m buying stock on Neto. I think he’s on his way to be really good. Like that he has some Grit. Seems like he has some wannabe Street Thug in him, my bet it’s harmless. He won’t go full OG thug and become a rapper, and kill people. 😀

But I expect to see a full offseason spent at his favorite tattoo parlor, along with becoming a better MLB’er. But I’m sure we have a “Bird-Man” on our hands, but he’ll be our Bird-Man. If he keeps it up, and keeps improving and we become a playoff team again, I’ll get a Free Neto tattoo.

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Twebur
Legend
18 days ago

This is O’Hoppe, CaptainMerica! He and Neto are our future. Wash will teach them well and let them lead the way. He will show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride to make it easier. Let the future winning remind us how we used to be in the 2000’s when we owned the AL West. That was the greatest gift of all. If we fail, if we succeed, at least we live as we believe. No matter what Art takes from us, he can’t take away our dignity.

Free trAditions!
Free us from the perpetual shit machine that we are today!

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HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Let’s not get ahead of our skis.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
18 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Sorry Pineapple, trout is still the Man until he retires, he has earned it.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
18 days ago

Dilly-dilly!!

Pineapple12
Super Member
18 days ago

Mostly kidding.

Nonetheless, I am pretty close to the taking my hopes for Trouty and storing them deep in my mental basement. His body has completely failed him and it’s a fool’s errand to expect anything from Trout moving forward.

On Friday, Trout will be 8 weeks removed from surgery to repair his torn meniscus. The standard recovery time for this injury amongst professional athletes is 6-8 weeks.

It’s the 8-week mark and Trout still can’t run without pain.

Fool me once, shame on me.
Fool me twice, shame on you.
I’m tired of being fooled.

smithy610
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Must be all those heavy lifting he did when he was younger. Not enough flexibility and resistance training. Mike got obsessed with building those muscles and growing into his body, that it did ‘t have enough wherewithal to stand the usage throughout time. I’ve never seen someone heal so SLOWLY after calf issues, or in this case, knee issues. Although I was pleasantly surprised when he returned from what was supposed to be a devastating, permanent back injury in 2022 to finish the season and hit 40 bombs. I thought that was the season where he can finally put all the injury bug behind him and play almost full seasons regularly.

I mean, look at Tom Brady. Never been the muscular, 6-pack abs guy, but through proper training he was able to play until mid-40s in a very physical and demanding position. While Peyton, Romo, Big Ben, etc., were all breaking down around him, he stayed healthy long enough to keep on playing at a high level, and he retired on his own terms, not because his body has betrayed him.

It’s time to have that conversation with Trout about moving to a corner OF spot. If he’s still prioritizing playing a glamour position over his own health and that of the team, then as much as it pains me to say it, time to cut ties.

Pineapple12
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

A slow recovery from the torn meniscus is the 2nd to last straw. The lunancy (definitely not the right word choice here lol) in not being able to return from the broken hamate bone was the third to last straw.

The next injury and subsequent slow recovery will be the last straw. And this is coming from someone who has idolized Trout since I was in high school.

Neto and O’Hoppe are the future and present. Trout is the past 😔🥺😭

MarineLayer
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s sad he went from being the GOAT to an injury -prone great guy who does hospital visits and signs autographs for every kid. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’m so sad I’m having trouble figuring out how to blame Arte for this.

Twebur
Legend
18 days ago

Retires, or is on a perpetual summer vacation…… when his job is in the summer.

Last edited 18 days ago by Twebur
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

BIG Papa

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
18 days ago

Nice performance on the mound by Canning, would love to see him continue doing this well.

Pineapple12
Super Member
18 days ago

1 down, 12 more in a row to go.

Ride back to .500 continues tonight.

smithy610
Super Member
18 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

The division is so bad, that if the Angels are at .500, they’d only be 4 games back. We haven’t sniffed the top that close in a long time.

I’m on P12’s hopium right now that if the Angels can play a good significant stretch here, while they play similarly bad teams, they’d actually be competitive enough when Rendon (or Trout) comes back. I still wouldn’t veer off course selling though…

halofansince1978
Super Member
18 days ago

Take the series tonight!!

Twebur
Legend
18 days ago

10-10 in June.

Just a point of fact, this roster is full of young unproven position players and complete retreads. With what can be a horrific bullpen. Yet IMHO we’ve shown improvement overall as the years gone on. Defense has become tighter, young hitters are making pitchers work, showing some pop. Stay competitive most nights, and when we get the shit kicked out of us, we seem to bounce back and not let it get to us.

My biggest fear, is we are wasting what has been a pretty damn good showing with our starting pitching, and that next year they will tell us it was all just an illusion.

Mark me down as a fan of Washington and this coaching staff. I truly believe he’s got these young kids heading in the right direction. And I don’t think Nevin/staff would have done the same. This roster is probably, slightly playing above its skill level.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

Yeah. For a team that is total crap they dig in and stay fighting all series/game pretty well against generally far superior rosters. They lose a lot, but not by as much as I always expect. They aren’t close to GOOD yet at all, but you can see how these guys can BE GOOD down the line if everything around them improves by 2 runs per game in either direction (scoring/prevention).

Gotta get some young arms up soon. See where we stand on pitching needs. Start the list of BIG REAL PROBLEMS vs problems so our super evilnept FO can plan for additions and try and move up to just 5 games under .500 next year.

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