LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Seymour Weiner

Seymour Wiener wants you to come to Dollar Dog Night. I kid you not. What were his parents thinking?

As many of you probably know, the Angels lost yesterday and it was largely because of another bullpen implosion. There was also a very questionable call when Jo Adell stole second base. Here is the F-bomb thread if you have anything to say about replay officials.

And now for the good news … there is no effin’ good news!

The Royals released struggling infielder Mike Brosseau. The Angels already have struggling infielders. A’s second baseman Zack Gelof will probably go on the IL with an oblique strain. The Angels already have injured infielders. Jared Walsh cleared outright waivers and elected free agency. Maybe he would be interesting to have instead of Hicks, but I doubt if that will happen. All ten Mike Trout homers compiled for your viewing satisfaction.

Blake Snell is on the IL with a left adductor strain. Cody Bellinger has a fractured rib. The Cubs will likely place him on the injured list. Kevin Kiermeier has an inflamed left hip flexor and is also on the injured list. Nationals right fielder Lane Thomas has a grade 2 MCL sprain and he is on the injured list. Guardians right-hander Gavin Williams- elbow inflammation = injured list.

Red Sox pitcher Brayan Bello is on the 15 day IL with right lat tightness. The Rangers apparently signed Johnny Cueto to a minor league deal.

Accountability for an umpire? I doubt it. Still, one could hope.

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Cowboy26
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22 days ago

Kenny Rosenberg pitched 7 shutout innings tonight against Jack Leiter and the Round Rock Express. Leiter was equally good through 6 innings I have to believe Rosey will be replacing Suarez by the start of the next Road Trip ( Phantom Injury time?)

2GA2Join
Super Member
22 days ago

Our old buddy Chris Ellis just signed a minor league deal with the D-Backs.

Cowboy26
Legend
22 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

He gets around more than the Happy Hooker.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
22 days ago

I got two tickets for tonight’s game. $200 dollar seats for $10 bucks a seat and a free parking pass thrown in, somebody has terrible printing in the Angels Front Office. It reads Free hehehehe parking pass, do not pass Go. I wonder what that means 

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
22 days ago

I do not completely understand how in the world one hitting coach after another cannot help this team make contact with their bats. 16 strikeouts are just awful at trying to make contact. Heck I even make contact, polishing the Hubbel last night.

Players come and go and these strikeout at bats still continue, maybe they close there eyes when the pitcher delivers. 😖 

Twebur
Legend
22 days ago

Free Adell. Better than Adele.

Adell has cut his strikeout rate from 35.4% to 23.2%. He already has five hits in 22 at-bats with two strikes, a .228 average. Adell came into the season with a .149 average with two strikes. The major league average this season is .165.

https://www.ocregister.com/2024/04/25/new-approach-has-angels-jo-adell-primed-for-extended-playing-time/

2GA2Join
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

I’m thinking Aidell’s sausage is still better though than both of them.

Pineapple and bacon. Hmm.

 😆 

Angelz4ever
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

The old adage, “Cut down your swing” is usually reserved for guys trying to hit bombs when they’re better suited for trying to just get hits. In Adell’s case, shortening his swing will still result in hitting measuring tape HRs as well as cutting down his strikeouts. He’s getting hits to the right-hand side which should terrify other teams as he is not pulling over the ball trying to kill someone in the good seats.

It seems he has a two-strike approach that few MLB players seem to have these days of trajectory and ball speed off the bat (Both are complete nonsense) being what the cool kids chase.

By those metrics Rod Carew would be considered terrible, low speed off the bat and low to the ground trajectory.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Fake news. GB post above says the Angels based on ONE game, don’t make contact.

GrandpaBaseball
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22 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Who lead the league in strikeouts in ’22. The Angels have been in the bottom 5 in the league in striking out 5 of the last 6 seasons, we did not count 2020. How many games last year did the team have over 10k’s in a game? We are not the same team as in the 2000’s, but somehow it became vogue to k rather than hitting the ball because a batter may ground into a DP. Whilr the 16 K’s are the outlier, double digits is not.

Angels2020Champs
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23 days ago

At least we have the NFL Draft today. Haven’t read a single NFL related articles/fan site since the SB but excited my team has a 1st round pick this year. I think they’ll trade up to grab someone. Only 2 NHL playoff games today, hoping for some more OT!

Fansince1971
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23 days ago

Seymour Weiner 😂

Reminds me of “Yellow River by I.P. Freely”

Twebur
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22 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Hot Dog Night kicks ass. 😀
Even if it’s the Mets.

Last edited 22 days ago by Twebur
Twebur
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22 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Speaking of dogs…..Hean Dog is back to dogging it with a 6.29 ERA this year.

MarineLayer
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22 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

‘Under the Grandstand by Seymour Butz.”

Eric_in_Portland
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22 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

“Dangerous Curves” by Ophelia Heinie

Angelz4ever
Super Member
22 days ago

“See the breeze” by Mini Skirtz

Fansince1971
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22 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

“Twenty Yards to the Outhouse” by Willie Makit, illustrated by Betty Wont

“Stains on the Wall” by Hugh Flung Poo

angelslogic
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The spotted desert by Squat and Leavitt.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Gavin Williams being hurt sucks. He’s a fella I wanted to draft, seems like a good future player…. on the other hand, he won’t be kicking our ass this year….

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
23 days ago

Obviously, Suarez was terrible last night, but I also see the Angels struck out 16 times and walked only twice. An 8.00 K/BB ratio is phenomenal for a pitching staff. The Angels simply aren’t going to win games if they can’t improve their plate discipline.

MarineLayer
Super Member
23 days ago

Any news on Sano..Has his TJ been scheduled yet? Why has Stephenson delayed his so long, what is he waiting for?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

The injury that requires TJS was sustained during rehab for a shoulder injury. That was April 13th. Then they let the boo boo settle down. Then they see if it needs surgery. It’s been 14 days since boo boo. Not really all that long.

Twebur
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22 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Great..another 3rd baseman bits the infield dirt. I’m sure it’s bad…trAdition

https://x.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1783256143277834374

Twebur
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22 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Drury is still pained…like all of us here.

https://x.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1783199214803300801

TrojanBoiler
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22 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

But what about the run to first base? What if he hits one to the gap?

Can you pinch run for someone as soon as they put a ball in play? Asking for a friend

Last edited 22 days ago by TrojanBoiler
YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
23 days ago

Hey dumb fuck angels, you’d be in 1st place if suarez was never on the roster. Wake the hell up and drop this guy. What more needs to happen, perry? Damn jack ass bringing that lard ass back over and over again. wash continuing to use him at all is just as confusing.

Last edited 23 days ago by YOUknowulovetheIE
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I think he’ll be gone as soon as a couple MiLB guys get near ten innings. Team won’t know who the hot hand is till some hands do some stuff.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
23 days ago

I hope so. I honestly don’t understand how they keep someone around who plays like shit every time he’s playing.

halofansince1978
Super Member
23 days ago

Has Suarez been released yet?

MarineLayer
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I’m willing to take that chance . 😀 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Charles Sutton

Dodgers will “discover” hidden spin rate pitch no one else ever knew he had.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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From “The Athletic” daily free email download. This was an email – any links in the article point behind the firewall, so it’s not possible to post a link to the full article. I did find some surprises with how the executives rated each other….

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What are the Top 10 front offices in MLB? Here’s how 40 executives voted. This is how baseball operation s executives voted for their peers.

For this exercise, The Athletic canvassed 40 executives across the sport. Many had experience as the primary decision-maker for a team, either in the past or the present. We asked each executive to rank the top five front offices in baseball and assigned a point value to each position — 10 points for first place, seven points for second place, five points for third, three points for fourth and one point for fifth. The answers spanned big markets and small. Some of these franchises have experienced incredible turnover. Some are the model of stability. Some of these front office groups have been doing this for quite a while. And some are just getting started.

No. 1 — Los Angeles Dodgers

Total points: 284
First-place votes: 19

President of baseball operations: Andrew Friedman

“One of the things he does so well is knowing which stars to sign,” another executive said. With the notable exception of Trevor Bauer, Friedman has aced that assignment in recent years by landing Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman and Shohei Ohtani. In part, another executive explained, that stems from the front office’s “insane discipline,” not wasting resources on mid-tier players so that when a star becomes available, the team can pounce.

“Andrew,” another executive said, “is the best at this.”

No. 2 — Tampa Bay Rays

Total points: 258
First-place votes: 12

President of baseball operations: Erik Neander

“You look at owners around baseball and what do they want? They want the intellectual property of the Rays,” the executive said. “It’s almost too attractive: ‘We can win without spending anything.’ But they constantly acquire undervalued guys, they get the most out of their players and they make the tough decisions.”

One executive described the Rays as “the scariest team in the league to trade with. Have developed well, great pro scouting department and very good at roster building. The pieces always make sense together on their major-league team.”

No. 3 — Atlanta Braves

Total points: 130
First-place votes: 3

President of baseball operations: Alex Anthopoulos

He had always been, as one executive put it, “very aggressive” in his willingness to deal.
“Alex Anthopoulos does a tremendous job,” one executive said. “There’s nobody more engaged, open and honest about things. He’s had stops along the way and he’s adapted and learned over time.” “Alex Anthopoulos knows what he wants and moves quickly in the offseason,” one executive said.

No. 4 — Cleveland Guardians

Total points: 101
First-place votes: 2

President of baseball operations: Chris Antonetti

 “Just look at the market they’re in,” one executive said. “And look at what they’ve done over the last 15 years, how much they’ve won. It’s pretty remarkable.” “They know what they’re good at, and they’re very consistent at being who they are,” one executive said.

No. 5 — Baltimore Orioles

Total points: 91
First-place votes: 3

President of baseball operations: Mike Elias

The Orioles, one executive explained, “have picked high but have more than taken advantage of it. Players get better in their programs in the minor leagues and they have turned dials in the big leagues as well.” It’s not just the first-round talent flourishing. Kyle Bradish, a fourth-round choice in 2018, has emerged as a potential front-line starter.

“They never tried to push too fast, let it all evolve, and they’re going to reap the benefits of that patience for a long time,” another executive said.

No. 6 — Milwaukee Brewers

Total points: 52
First-place votes: 0

General manager: Matt Arnold

 “The Brewers are consistently good on a small payroll,” one executive said. The Brewers, another executive said, are “exceptionally resourceful and smart. Do what they do really well and don’t try to be something they are not.”

No. 7 — Arizona Diamondbacks

Total points: 43
First-place votes: 1

President of baseball operations: Mike Hazen
 
“They do a great job with the challenges they have and the division they’re in,” one executive said.

No. 8 (tie)— Minnesota Twins

Total points: 20
First-place votes: 0

President of baseball operations: Derek Falvey

The word “culture” comes up often in discussions about the Twins, who have been helmed by president of baseball operations Derek Falvey and general manager Thad Levine since the fall of 2016. People like working in the front office. Players like the atmosphere inside the clubhouse fostered by manager Rocco Baldelli. Falvey has succeeded in transferring some aspects of the pitching development system he previously helped run in Cleveland, but the greater success may be fostering an environment that generates good cheer and the occasional American League Central crown.

“Everybody who goes there loves it,” one executive said. “You hear it from every player who played for them. Derek Falvey has done a lot of hard work from a culture standpoint, and it’s made a difference.”

Another executive described Falvey as “one of the most exceptional leaders out there.”

No. 8 (tie) Texas Rangers

Total points: 20
First-place votes: 0

General manager: Chris Young
 
No. 10 — New York Yankees

Total points: 19
First-place votes: 0

General manager: Brian Cashman

“Brian Cashman,” one executive said, “is severely underrated.”

“They don’t get enough credit for the engine they’ve built to support their spending at the major-league level,” another executive said.

Others receiving votes

No. 11 — Philadelphia Phillies (10 points)

Several executives went out of their way to praise Philadelphia Phillies president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski, the dapper wheeler-dealer who has taken four different franchises to the World Series. “People s— all over him,” one executive said. “Didn’t go to an Ivy League school, blah, blah, blah. But it’s like that old Winston Churchill quote: ‘However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.’”

No. 12 — Seattle Mariners (6 points)
No. 13 — Houston Astros (5 points)
No. 14 — Detroit Tigers (4 points)
No. 15 (tie) — Cincinnati Reds (1 point)
No. 15 (tie) — New York Mets (1 point)
 
Did not receive votes:
 
Red Sox, Blue Jays, Royals, White Sox, Athletics, Angels, Nationals, Marlins, Cardinals, Padres, Rockies, Giants, Pirates, Cubs.

One executive summed up the ephemeral nature of this endeavor: “Is Oakland terrible? Five years ago, they were top five. Is that them, or what they’re dealing with?” Indeed, for many of the clubs that did not merit consideration, it is hard to separate the front office from the sway held by ownership. One of the primary responsibilities of a chief baseball executive is managing upward — getting your owner to buy into, both literally and figuratively, your vision for how to run a club. Some owners are more difficult to sway than others.

The Athletic’s Jayson Stark contributed to this story.

Cowboy26
Legend
23 days ago

Seems about right

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

Wait. The good teams have the top FOs? Flabber. Gast. And five years from now, when the Tigers and Cardinals are winning…. oh, look, a top FO.

I do, however, agree with teams like the Rays and Guardians. Teams where you’re like “How the fk are these guys good again this year?”

And if I were Arte for a day I would maybe even keep Perry, but I would expand the FO by about 12 guys and raid the shit out of the Rays/Braves/D-Bags/Indiguards FOs. Teams with a similar or smaller income stream to us. I still feel like if Arte signed NO ONE for an off season but did that I’d be excited.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
22 days ago

“How the fk are these guys good again this year?”

and why can’t we have nice things like that?

Marcotor
Trusted Member
22 days ago

But think about all those poor fans who depend on Cheap Arte to buy them a pony every off-season and throw massive tantrums when he doesn’t.

Last edited 22 days ago by Marcotor
RexFregosi
Super Member
23 days ago

I grew up a Dallas Cowboy fan starting in late ’60s. They were alongside the Lakers and Angels as a favorite team, and I lived and died with them through the 70’s, 80s, and 90s but that stopped about 1995. Why? Because I grew tired of the meddlesome owner. And now I’m all onboard with the Chargers the last decade.

Unfortunately, i just cannot ditch the Angels like i ditched the Cowboys – they are too much in my soul.

I have a subscription to TA, and saw this story yesterday but i skipped it because I figured there’d be nothing interesting about the Angels in it, but thanks for posting – it was interesting though pretty predictable. Perry should have gotten some votes just because he has a terrible owner and maybe has the lowest # of employees in the FO in all baseball.

It’s the owner here. When there isn’t any money, the FO can’t do much out of the gate.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Sadly predictable. Also, I believe Arte’s goals are different than those other organizations. Wining baseball is desired but not the end goal.

Last edited 23 days ago by Roy Hobbs
Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  RexFregosi

Valid points. What struck me was the Minnesota and Cleveland feedback – both scored higher than expected.

As for Perry, yes it was predictable – but these scores/feedback was provided by his baseball operations peers who all know Arte. Even with that knowledge, Perry didn’t get a single vote. I find that interesting. Hell, even DiPoto got a vote.

Lastly, the quote regarding the role of the GM/POBO is to manage upwards and influence the owner. I realize it takes two to have a positive relationship, but it also could be interpreted that Perry is not the right guy for this franchise under current ownership.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
23 days ago

Agreed. It also reminded me that aside from the other organizations doing things better all around, that unlike those other organizations, the Angels just make more than their share of bad decisions. Everybody makes mistakes but we make them as a consistent pattern. It’s not so much the big contracts as it is the bad big contracts. We’re not just unlucky, we just make one bad decision after another. Which gets back to what you said which is it starts with Arte not hiring the right people to run the baseball operations. We need someone who is not worried about their next job.

2GA2Join
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I’m not sure if that is the aspect that sets our GMs apart as much…

I think there are plenty, if not most, of the GMs in MLB are thinking “I better not mess up or else I might not be staying here.” It would be interesting to do a graph of GMs in MLB over the past 20 years, showing how long each club had a particular GM…

I think it is more because of the Arte’s interference in the GM job. Some owners just provide the money, but let a operations group run the entire baseball side. Arte seems to be intimately involved in every single move done by the GM. He has made big mistakes there, compounded with some unwise spending choices, in my arm-chair opinion.

Sure, I understand that as an owner, he is going to have a budget. OK, then we should be taking another $5MM right off the top of that budget (that’s the price of signing a Luis Garcia nowadays), and invest the $5MM more into scouts and development staff. I just picked that $5MM out of the air… some will say 10, whatever.

Last edited 23 days ago by 2GA2Join
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
22 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Agreed. Whatever the reasons, we seem to make more mistakes than other teams and I am assuming ( perhaps not correctly) that because our GMs are less experienced, they are less likely to convince Artie of what needs to be done. Also, just my opinion, but I feel like the team is in a position where they need to spend until they can develop and don’t really have the money to do it.

Fansince1971
Legend
23 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I suggest we tentatively plan a HUGE sitewide party for the day Arte actually sells the team. I will supply the good tequila.

Twebur
Legend
22 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I’m a leader of “Loser Fandom” here at CTPG. My expert opinion stems from being a fan of both the Browns and Angels …. thank you for your condolences. 

Both owners are horrible. But, one of them has been elevated (fingers crossed), possible jumped to the other side of the fence and now is a great owner. Jimmy Haslem is/was a buffoon. Simply put he transitioned, from he and his wife being meddling, final decision making clueless owners, to deferring to one of the best GM’s in the NFL. And still uses his deep pockets to spend big money… (accounting for (QB) Watson debacle). He may never win anything (Because Browns are gonna Brown) but he’s put them in a position to win and a legitimate chance to be a top team. And has a plan in place to stay that way long term. 

Arte has one redeeming quality, he has consistently spent on a top 10 payroll, that is it. And that is a huge thing, if you know how to spend that money. Even with that, he’s one of the worst owners in all of professional sports. Maybe a small glimmer of hope, he (might, maybe, hopefully???) finally listening to his GM on baseball decisions. But if he is, we don’t know if this GM is good enough to make a difference. And if he is, it may take until 2036 before we see the fruit from his efforts. 

I also feel Arte’s evilness runs much deeper and a worse owner than what we know. He’s very good at keeping most things in house, even Sam the Hat doesn’t know all the evil that lurks in Arte’s dark, antiquated, stale, empty front office. And that’s even with the known list of political corruption, death of player and drug scandal, horrific huge failed contracts, clubhouse guys selling sticky substances, leading the way in “not taking care of” his farm system…etc…I’m sure there’s even more, deeper, darker Skullduggery in Arte’s cheap world. Booooo Arte. 

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
22 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

I’m thinking our best hope is that Arte ages out.

FungoAle
Super Member
23 days ago

Seattle in the 12 hole? That’s fucked up.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Arte ertay boo hoo hoo. same whine with every meal.

halofansince1978
Super Member
23 days ago

Maybe a day off at home will help?

Cowboy26
Legend
23 days ago

Yep Guaranteed to be unbeaten today

halofansince1978
Super Member
23 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

So no F bomb thread today?

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