LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Taylor Made

The Detroit Tigers claimed Kolton Ingram off waivers from the Angels and designated utility player Nick Maton for assignment. Taylor Ward had his arbitration on Friday and the decision is expected some time this week.

The Kansas City Royals extended Bobby Witt Jr. for at least 11 years and $288.7 Million, unless he exercises one of his four player opt outs. The Dodgers signed right-hander Ryan Brasier to a two year deal worth $9 Million.

On the official MLB page we have an admission that Brandon Wood was a total whiff on their biggest prospects lists.

Here is a cool article about Satchel Paige for Black History Month.

In sad Angels news, Bill Lacheman passed away over the weekend.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Fansince1971
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15 days ago

Kershaw returns to the Dodgers on 1 year deal. He will pitch somewhat limitedly apparently but is looking for a ring.

Altuve, age 33, signed a 5 year extension with the Astros. $25 million per year. He has one more year left at $29m.

2002heaven
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15 days ago

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get him dammit Perry!!!!! We need a DH now that YKW went across town…….
 💪  💪  💪  BYE!!!!

Last edited 15 days ago by 2002heaven
Cowboy26
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15 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

We have no use for a DH now that the Diva Unicorn is gone.

2002heaven
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15 days ago

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 😠  😠 
signed with the A’s.

Last edited 15 days ago by 2002heaven
Cowboy26
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15 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Thank Gawd

Now We can pound him this year as part of our few hard fought victories .

Last edited 15 days ago by Cowboy26
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Can we just sign Urshela and get on with it?

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

Works for me.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

One of Jerry’s old kids just got shitcanned . https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/mets-designate-austin-adams-for-assignment.html.

Maybe Jer Jer will bring him back for the third time.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
16 days ago

RIP mr. lacheman. His son was a pe coach at my hs (chino 99 – 03) and I always knew that was his dad. He would joke and say his dad was a trash truck driver until he finally caved in and admitted it to a few of us. Good times.

Omahalo22
Member
16 days ago

Above .500 or below .500 this season? I already know. Cellar or just above cellar? Be honest. It’s cellar. If you need a night out to watch baseball then cool. If you want to watch a winning team you’re in the wrong place. Keep giving Arte your hard earned money. It’s fantastically absurd the way this team is run but hey Mike Trout isn’t going anywhere.. Yes, I root for the halos so F me. All I have is hope for this team. I will happily eat crow but history suggests I won’t.

Last edited 16 days ago by Omahalo22
steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Omahalo22

Below .500 72 to 78 wins. 2016 continues.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

This.

Hopefully younger players = less injury downtime and new bullpen = better than last year’s blowpen, but there’s no real reason to consider the Angels to be improved vs. recent years.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Only six more weeks of having to read comments that are 90% the same shit sipping complaints we’ve already been making for eight weeks with just a Roman dash of delicious “here, I’ll say something kinda hopefulnice” salt tossed into the stew of beige whining about “having to” root for this team.

Followed by the same basic response by you.

And then the same basic response from me.

CtPG guy. All missionary all the time…. with minimal eye contact… and minimal time all the time.

Come March first we can start with the same “I knew this team was gonna suck at E@@#F” comments every day.

I do not envy you your even keel Jeff.

Let’s lose 100 and give em something to cry about baby!

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
16 days ago

Yep, pretty soon you’ll get to hear repetitive complaints about the guys that are sucking at Spring training and complaints that the guys doing well at Spring training will likely start sucking once the season begins.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

And lots of the same “thinking man thinks thoughts” quips over and over. “trAdition. Deck chairs titanic. Chess not checkers. You will win and lose 100 games and 13 of them are blah blah. Greatest trick devil ever pulled. Those Frank Thomas pills don’t work….”

If this was 2003 there’d be a bunch of Sun Tzu quotes….

This is gonna be a great year to pay attention to the Reds.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
15 days ago

If we notice the team has been below .500 for years should we not mention it?

If we notice Perry’s moves are based on a restricted budget should not mention it?

If we notice, once the season begins, that we’re falling behind….?

If we notice there’s no plan to improve the farm system…?

I’m not sure what kind of posts you’d like to see but sometimes I get tired of your slagging fans

matthiasstephan
Super Member
15 days ago

Sure, notice things, mention them, and then move on. It is the incessant repeating of those observations that gets tiring (not you in particular).

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
15 days ago

my goal is to say the same things when the mistakes are repeated and hopefully to do that in a fresh, amusing way

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Omahalo22

A replacement level (0 WAR) team is expected to win 48 games.

I see the offense being good for around 20 WAR presuming everyone stays relatively healthy.

Trout – 5 WAR
Ward – 2 WAR
Rengifo- 2 WAR
O’Hoppe – 3 WAR
Neto – 2 WAR
Rendon – 1 WAR
Schanuel- 1 WAR
Drury – 1.5 WAR
Moniak – 2 WAR
Hicks – 1 WAR
The rest – 1 WAR

Pitching

Anderson- 1 WAR
Canning – 2 WAR
Sandoval- 2 WAR
Detmers – 3 WAR
The rest – 3 WAR

That’s 32.5 WAR or 80 wins. I see that as best case.

Realistically I would take 10% off that and be at 72 wins.

I’ll go win 68 to 74 wins with most likely 70 to 72.

Last edited 16 days ago by Fansince1971
Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Good realistic estimates. If Schanuel plays all the time he will likely be worth 2 WAR, and all the OFs have the potential to be better, but not everyone will hit their mark, and they don’t have Ohtani, so it’s hard to see improvement over last year. They look like a team team that wins 70 something games. It’s possible the bullpen and starting pitching are better this year but it is unlikely the offense is even as good as last year when it was like 15th out of 30. The big concern for me is that they are razor thin in the infield. The good news is that after this year, they won’t be able to say, we don’t know about so and so. They’ll know exactly what they have and be in a position to move forward if they want.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

And I’ll take that last statement as the real win for the year.

If the young guys get enough experience to really prove themselves one way or the other and a core emerges, that’s a big win for the team.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yah. If the Neto/Shanuel/Moniak/Adell/Rengifo/O’Hoppe pile can somehow generate even 8 WAR amongst a mix of them I’ll be happy. Similar case with the young pitching.

If that happens it means we’re in a fairly good position to go out and spend some money knowing we have some cheap depth. That’s not a wasted season, it’s good.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Agree. I think if everything goes right and everybody plays totheir potential and there are limited injuries, this team could win something like 83 or 84 games. But I seriously doubt all of those things are going to happen.

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

How does this math work? A team made entirely of replacement players is projected to win ~48 games?

Not trying to sound like a smartass, I honestly don’t know how you are translating WAR to wins and I am genuinely curious.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Yes, a team made up entirely of replacement level players is expected to win about 48 games. Pretty sure it used to be 50, but something close to that.

So a team comprised of all replacement level players plus Mike Trout should win 53.

Ultimately the WAR math and the actual win/loss total rarely actually match but it is a good ballpark.

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Correct. I don’t think Bill James was attempting to create a perfect system. that scientifically would accurately predict the number of wins. But it is a good estimator and yes, a team with all replacement level players only is estimated to win 47 or so games.

Last edited 16 days ago by Fansince1971
2GA2Join
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

All these projections are reasonable.

The hopeful part of me remembers other teams in the past that have stunk and I got used to seeing them stink, and then all of a sudden things clicked for them and they started really contending. Then I’m like “wait, I thought they stunk, how did they get good suddenly?” I can hope that at some point that will be us.

Cowboy26
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15 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Sounds like most of the 60’s 70’s, 80’s and 90’s with this team.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

All the way through 2002 but then came the expectations that come with winning.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Omahalo22

Above/below .500 should not be the question. The team has been built thus far to finish below .500

The real question is whether the team will exceed 2023’s win total. As of today, I expect the team to finish with less wins than 2023 version of the Angels. My reasoning is that the team has done nothing of meaning to address the loss of Ohtani’s production.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Omahalo22

I think we build on the youth this year and improve our record slightly and maybe make a run on a WC spot. This is based on continuing production from Neto, Moniak and O’Hoppe and continued progress/growth by Schanuel. Of course a good showing by Trout.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Omahalo22

It’s never too late to just become a Dodgers fan.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

Never to late, just out of the question.

halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago

HERASY!!!

Pitchforks, tar, and feathers.

red floyd
Legend
15 days ago

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Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

Well you cant win them all. But maybe the fallout from this crushing defeat will mean an immediate sell of the franchise by Arte?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/taylor-ward-wins-arbitration-hearing-angels.html

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’m going to hope that is a sign Ward is recovered enough to start the season. The Angels had a stronger case if there were questions as to whether Ward can play.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

lets hope. The sad part was after an abysmal start to the season. Ward seemed to have figured it out again. In his last 200 Plate Appearances right up to the point of the injury on July 29th he was hitting .288/.377/.541 . I’d take take that all day long.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Ward is actually a guy I am really interested in. I really hope he bounces back and even signs an extension with us. He has stood before wave after wave of SDE Angels fan bad juju and adapted to overcome. If he gets a little better he’ll be a legit support player on good teams and I’d love that to happen for him…. and us too.

2GA2Join
Super Member
16 days ago

Plus, he has that awesome video of when we drafted him.

halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Title picture from Fan Nation is scary.

https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Let’s go Tay Tay! Comeback player of the year!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

There’s a football game coming up?

(Rams fan)

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Super Bowl is fun for everyone I would think. It’s less about the teams and more about the food and drink. It’s like Thanksgiving in a way.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yeah, if my social behavior was better I may one day be invited to a SB Party. Just kidding….my behavior will never improve.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
16 days ago

Wood, Adel, TrAdition?

matthiasstephan
Super Member
16 days ago

Technically Brandon Wood was only deemed a ‘Foul Tip’ – but the biggest regret with Wood was not trading for his perceived value when we had the chance.

He (and McPherson) are interesting lessons given how often we are trading away potential now (and gnashing our teeth over it).

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago

DMac could play… when he was healthy. He was just made out of glass.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Darren McFadden, former Raiders RB? Haha

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I’m pretty sure you’re joking, but Dallas McPherson

WallyChuckChili
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

I thought it was Double Big Mac.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
16 days ago

There was an alternate reality where we acquired Miguel Cabrera in his MVP-prime era for Wood/Ervin/Aybar/Kendrick

Last edited 16 days ago by ihearhowie3.0
Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Even though the other 3 turned out to be pretty decent major league ball players, Cabrera was 25 at the time and referred to at the time by Bill James as the definition of a HOFer. We should have made that trade if it was really available.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

That trade was reportedly available. Yes it was a big mistake to kill it.

Also not signing Beltre….

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Our history might have been quite different had those happened.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Beltre was huge. It forced many bad decisions after that.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

You mean the failure to sign Carl Crawford? That was actually the first domino.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

We dodged a bullet losing out on Crawford but it started the BorAss rift that probably contributed to losing our on Beltre.

steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Not signing Beltre was a complete whiff by Carlton, showing up late , and Beltre already signed by Texas before he walks across the threshold.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

You sure it wasn’t Evil Arte’s take it or leave it?

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That’s how I remember it.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

According to ESPN the trade package never included Wood or Aybar.

Per Jayson Stark, if the Halos threw in Ervin Santana, Joe Saunders or Nick Adenhart in addition to agreed-upon players in the deal — Howie Kendrick and Jeff Mathis — Cabrera may very well have wound up in Anaheim rather than Detroit, where he burnished his Hall of Fame credentials.

But Standpat Stoneman wouldn’t even make that deal

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ah, my memory failed me.

This package was even more of a slam dunk. Ugh

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

This is an interesting discussion. They are a handful of prospects the Angels should have traded before they expired but the danger of this is to have the trade go the other way. So what were the biggest mistakes the Angels have made in trading away players (or released) too early?

Bichette?
Thon?
Jenks?
Hernandez?
Napoli?
Clevinger?
Bradish?

I’m sure I missed some. Hopefully Marsh, Bush, Quero, Albright, Cooper or Marceaux doesn’t end up biting us in the ass.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

It’s a mixed bag for sure. I don’t know if they got burned but none of those guys went on to become stars and it seems the Angels had a history of trading young players for relief pitchers who were not good for very long. Bichette was a better than average player for 4 out of the first 5 years after they traded him so he would have been a cheap better than average OF until he became a FA. Thon was only good for two years after they traded him and they never should have traded Napoli. I don’t think that trading the players in general was bad, just that they never really got back equal value. Clevinger would have been a decent SP for the 6 years he would have been under club control so he definitely would have provided value. Have to see how Marsh, Quero, and Bush do going forward. Big thing is they got little or nothing back for any of them. it would be nice to still have them as trade assets.

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Lansford, Edmonds, Brunansky, Devo, all traded too young

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

While I absolutely agree with all of those wiffs, Edmonds had already logged almost 3,000 Plate appearances as a halo and Devo almost 2,500 so not sure I would consider those 2 to be lost prospects.

Last edited 16 days ago by Cowboy26
RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Those 4 were young guys, not prospects, yes.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Devo forced our hand with the suckage. Never understood the stupid Edmonds trade tho.

SchofieldsWalkoff
Trusted Member
16 days ago

If I’m remembering correctly the pundit of the time were annoyed he wasn’t full of Erstads grit and claimed he was a primidone in clubhouse. There was also the whole missing 2/3s of the 1999 season due to having surgery 2 weeks before the season started.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

So Edmonds was Rendon before being a primadonna was a cultural trait of the franchise?

h27kim
Trusted Member
13 days ago

Edmonds played and produced. That’s a big difference.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

He was a prima donna. He also hurt himself weight lifting in the offseason and then waited months before finally agreeing to corrective surgery which is why he didnt start the 1999 season until August 2nd.

h27kim
Trusted Member
13 days ago

I still wouldn’t give AK back, not after 2002.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

I love Marsh as a player, but the logic of dealing him for O’Hoppe makes sense.

I didn’t see Bradish developing as he did. If he remained in our org, he may not have developed as quickly.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

The Doyers covet yet another original Angel Signee. Granted it’s been little awhile since he has donned a halo (just 10 years) . But it’s another example of we birth ’em and then they fix ’em.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/02/dodgers-to-re-sign-ryan-brasier.html

Last edited 16 days ago by Cowboy26
Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago

Trout and O’Hoppe will combine for 80+ HRs this season.

Spread the news

JackFrost
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Ummm, I think more like 60 total

Trout = 33
O’Hoppe = 27

This is of course assuming Mike can stay healthy for close to a full season. If so I think he will just barely eclipse the 400 HR mark for his career.

smithy610
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I can take 33 HRs from Trout if his BA and his OBP are higher – .320/.375/.550. Go back to hitting cheap singles on RBI situations. I would also see prefer to see more doubles sprayed on all parts of the field.

I’m afraid though he will continue selling out for power. On a fully healthy season, with 140 games played, I wouldn’t be surprised with 40-45 HRs but with a slash of .270/.330/.575

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
15 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Funny to hear this considering all the demands for Shamwow to lower his OBP for more SLG. I prefer getting on base and chasing pitchers; and get rid of the stupid yellow line in RF

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

Word. 60 dingerz for the NE Kids.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If is healthy enough to get 500+ AB’s, I would say that 40+ homers is a safe assumption.

The real question is his Avg & OBP. Will they be something in the neighborhood of .300 / .400 or .250 / .350 ????

O’Hoppe, for all the hype and athletic prowess is still a bit of mystery until we see him over the course of a full season, but 30+ homers over the course of a healthy campaign seems likely. Again, the bigger question is will he bat .250+ or .220 ???

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

You are spot on. The promising thing about O’Hoppe is that he started off strong and then continued to hit for power when he returned. But as you allude to, his BA was only .236 and OBA only .296, so he didn’t get on base even 30% of the time. If he gets 400 ABs, he will likely hit 30 HRs. He had 14 in only 182 ABs last year. On a good team, he would be a rookie this year. If he could hit .260 with a .350 OBA, he would be an all star.

Last edited 16 days ago by Roy Hobbs
BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

It they get .260 / .350 from O’Hoppe, he’ll be an All-Star even if only hits 20 Homers.

smithy610
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Even if he’s not an All-Star, I would be glad to see that production from an Angels catcher, to make up for all of our suffering during the great Mathis era.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
15 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

This Jeff Mathis?
Jeff Mathis .2 WAR 194/252/299/551 48 OPS+ over 17 years
Mike Napoli 26.3 WAR 246/346/475/821 117 OPS+ over 12 years and 267 HRs plus he was a legend at Goat Hill Tavern in Costa Mesa  😎 

Last edited 15 days ago by Roy Hobbs
Dogface1956
Trusted Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

You are forgetting Mathis superior CERA over Napoli.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Hell yeah dude, hell yeah.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Trout and Ohtani hit 74 HR in 2022. I’ll take the under to your 80.

Even with 74 HR between them the Halos won only 73 games. That’s pretty mind boggling.

smithy610
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’m curious how many of those 74 HRs are solo homers. Really wouldn’t help a team’s chances of winning if all that is being hit out are solo homers.

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’m actually shocked TrouTani’s high is 74.

Health, man. We don’t got it over here in Anaheim.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

They never had more than 500 AB’s in a season together.

Trout has nose dived since 2019 and Ohtani didn’t take off until 2021.

I’ll throw out 2020 for obvious reasons.

So unfortunate.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think 70-75 is much more likely as you suggest.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Peak Trout & Peak Ohtani were never formally introduced. Unfortunately.

It was always a tale of ships passing in the night. Or is up & down elevators the metaphor I’m searching for here..:

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
16 days ago

If Neto shows signs early that he is what we think he is – we should lock him up early. I think the Royals and Witt got a win/win. Witt takes the risk off the table, the Royals get a Superstar before he’s too old. And Neto won’t be nearly that high.

Last edited 16 days ago by HalosFanForLife
Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
16 days ago

I don’t understand the signing. If he has so many optouts then he’s not locked in.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

A bit surprised that the club didn’t negotiate at least one opt out for themselves. This contract is as player friendly as it gets.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

Wow, ST is so close. I’m gonna go score some hopium. I got a cousin…..

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

To misquote Wildwill, “Hopium Abounds!”

Got my road trip starting on the 29th.

halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago

9 Days!!

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago

“It’s 10 miles to Diablo, we got a full tank of bullpen, half a pack of offense and starters, it’s dark… and we’re wearing sunglasses.”

“Hit it.”

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

On a mission for Gawd!

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
16 days ago

Looking at Airbnb’s this week. Superbowl tradition

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