LA Angels Monday News Crash:

The Angels hired pitcher Jose Cisnero to a one year deal yesterday and designated Livan Soto in the corresponding move. In related news, the Angels ranked pretty high on this list of the teams with the most work left to do this off season.

The White Sox acquired Dominic Fletcher from the Diamondbacks in exchange for righthander Christian Mena.

The Mariners acquired right-hander Gregory Santos from the White Sox in exchange for their 2024 Round B Competitive Balance pick, right-hander Prelander Berroa, and outfielder Zach DeLoach. The Mariners also signed Heath Hembree to a minor league deal. The Cardinals designated right-hander Guillermo Zuniga for assignment to make room for Keynan Middleton. Middleton gets a guaranteed $6 Million. The Twins signed veteran right-hander Jay Jackson to a major league deal pending a physical.

Adrian Beltre will wear a Rangers cap in the Hall of Fame while Jim Leyland will have no logo.

Big league pitcher Al McBean passed away at the age of 85.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago

So it would seem there are two levels of speculation here.

1. That Arte is about to sell the team.

There is apparently a source within MLB that this is going to happen soon. I would say that if the information actually comes from a source (as is asserted) then I guess there is at least a chance this could happen. So I’d call this somewhat speculative.

2. Mark Cuban is going to buy the Angels.

This seems to me to be blatant speculation.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Welp no one else here in the Webisphere thinks otherwise

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yeah, there’s many a slip twixt the stool and the door when it comes to any baseball team getting sold even if Arte’s leaning that way…. which he should be by now….

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago

The fact the ‘rumor’ of an impending sale was spread on MLB Radio, a station owned by MLB, gives it possibly a bit more credibility. Very strange they would allow a story like that without some basis.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Seems pretty speculative but we can hope!

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

But Rodger Lodge says “No way Jose” https://twitter.com/RogerLodge7/status/1754596642131779846

FungoAle
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Good ol Rog’. Does he still sing, “S-C-I-Oooo, S-C-IAaaa”

Agree, this is all bar talk and my glass is empty.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Should we not take that as a sign that is going to happen for sure?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 days ago

the most depressing thing I’ve read this off-season…

https://www.mlb.com/news/angels-reinforced-their-bullpen-for-2024

Perry being asked questions and giving non-answers

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

Why is this depressing? its just the SOS

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

that’s why! On paper this bullpen is not really better than last year’s pre-season.

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago

Sure it is….trAdition
Then it’s not….trAdition

That’s the trAdition.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

It is if you like gas. We gots lots and lots of gas this year .

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago

This just in…

Dodgers sign Snell, Bellinger and Chapman for $10 / 6 years each, with an extra $300MM each payable between 2045 and 2060.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Nice

We should sign Bauer and pay $10000 a year for 200 years.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

And according to the CBT calculations that would account for about $875 against the cap.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

No truth to the rumors that the Halos were going to have a 2024 season Ohtani bobble head that only bobbled from left to right and back again in a “No nod.”

steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

The NOhtani bobble head.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

“USA Today Predicts J.D. Martinez to Land With Angels”
Just when we whine…er….discuss nothing is going on……..

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

JD Martinez has been consistently a really good hitter and if one bat is all you needed he would be a great pick up, or if he could play 1B or 3B. But this team needs a lot more than that going forward and you’d like to have the DH spot possibly available for Trout a couple of days a week. After this year they may need 2B, a 3B, maybe an OF, and worst case a 1B, along with a DH. I would rather the team make moves that that potentially improve the team long term while allowing them to evaluate their young players. Either Montgomery or Snell, and Bellinger, for the right price and years could be good long term additions. Assuming you did your due diligence with Bellinger and convinced yourself of his performance level going forward, he would provide a back up for Trout, Schanuel, and a corner OF or DH.

Fansince1971
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

When have you believed USA Today for anything?

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

And now, you and I are in 100% agreement.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I won’t tell anyone!  🙂 

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Not at all, just whining that we talk about the halos really doing nothing and rumors appear about (Potential) moves that will probably solve nothing. I shan’t believe anything until TMZ reports on it, then it’s fact.

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Rec for effective use of Shan’t in a sentence.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

l learnt that in public skool.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

USA Today. News for Stupid.

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago

That’s an insult to “Stupid”. More like news for the grey matter devoid.

Twebur
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Remember when it was different because of all the graphics and it was in color.
USA sports page was great back in the ‘80s and ‘90’s….all the little news nuggets. Finding a free copy somewhere out in the wild was exciting.
Newspapers😀! How adorable!

Of all newspapers closing its doors, how are they still around?

DowningDude
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Forced readership in hotel rooms around the world.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Much like CNN in airports.

steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Well, it looks like the LA Times will soon be following the Herald Examiner into the dustbin of history.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

One can only hope and I’ll mock them as they fade into oblivion. Bye Felicia.

Can the NY Times face the wall next?

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago

JMO, but the longer this drags out, the more likely it is that Snell, Montgomery, Get Beli with it, et al, will settle for less – far less – coin than they anticipated….

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Could very well happen. I think all three are asking for more than they are worth but someone might be foolish enough to pay.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

And probably Chapman and J.D. as well. At this rate I wonder if Borass is going to open his own Free Agent spring training camp to ensure all his unsigned clients stay in shape.

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Usually that’s us, but I don’t see it this time.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Agreed. Lots of usual players in the FA market have learned their TV deals are only in place for 2024.

No way I’m signing an 8 year deal to a guy when I have 1 year of money rolling in. Not for huge money, anyway.

I wonder if some of them will take higher AAV, shorter term deals so they can hit free agency again once the TV situation is clearer in two years.

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think this may end up happening. Perhaps even a one year bridge deal could occur with some of these top level guys on the market.

Yeah, let me dream my unlikely little dream…

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

….well, until some MLB player announces he sustained an “Injury” shortly before ST and then some of the remaining FA values will go through the roof.

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Sure, but that’s a heck of a game of who blinks first.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
17 days ago

Looks like a big chunk of last year’s blowpen will be in AAA this year.

At least two of Joyce, Wantz, and Herget. Possibly all three. And with the guaranteed salaries to guys like Kolerak and Plesac they’ll pass through waivers as well.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I can only think of this as a good thing.

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago

Oh, so that’s why we haven’t won in so many years….

https://www.instagram.com/baseballpastpresentfuture/p/C2-kcbjPSzx/

We just need moar dingers!

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago

Ingram claimed by Tigers.

Cue media reports that Angels were foolish to let an incredibly good pitcher get away.
But their farm still has no talent.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

His minor league numbers look good. Detroit cut loose a left handed utility guy to make room. Seems like there could’ve been a trade there.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I would agree.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I just checked Maton has no options left, had a horrible offensive year last year and The vaunted Fielding Bible is not so kind to his limited MLB defensive work.

This one is pass for me Jeff.

Even though hes not a LHH, IWT The Angels would be better off, just to promote LeBlanc onto the 40 sometime before his opt out. he’s pretty good hitter but seems to be much better defensively and still has all 3 options left even after hes added to the 40 man. And as an added bonus he’s French Canadian

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Besides, Maton is too close to Maitan.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Detroit released him in the first place when Ingram was released back in 2020.So maybe they’re trying to right a wrong.

IDK he kind of reminds me of Mike Holtz. Diminutive lefty who has good minor league numbers but for the most part, gets pounded into oblivion at the Major league level no matter how many opportunities he will get .

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I don’t think the media “hates” the Angels because we’re too irrelevant to generate such emotion.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA
Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

No, the Halos are the freckled undersized kid that the pituitary gland bullies have and continue to beat up on so many times, others just join in because they’re bored.

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

That’s a wee bit worse than being irrelevant.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

So…..are going to manufacture some Halos-Snell or Halos-Bellinger or halos Bellinger & Snells synergy today?

……..welllllllllllll allllllllrighty then

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Belli! Belli! Belli!

obviously, all the headline signings like this are just waiting for the DHs to report Dodger complex in Glendale so Arte is the one who has the headlines that day.

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

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BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

This dude looks like a mobbed up Teamsters Union head, circa 1962.

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

That’s Melvin Belli, not Jimmy Hoffa.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

He’s still LOOKS like a mobbed up union boss nonetheless.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago

The Angels lost one of their all time great coaches and instructors. Marcel Lachemann’s older brother Bill passed away over the weekend . He was a long time roving minor league catching instructor in the minor leagues among other roles. He was credited with the development of many Angel catchers including the Molina boys, Naps and Premium just to name a few.

R.I. P. Bill

https://twitter.com/TaylorBlakeWard/status/1754199682761490573

FungoAle
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That was sad, read some of the stories about him, he loved the game and gave a lot to it.

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

RIP Lach and sympathies to Marcel and family

Spring training just wont be the same – nice guy.

Despite all the changes the last 20 years, one thing was constant in Tempe – this grizzly, white haired gent would be always be around no matter who the manager was

always in shin guards.
an unsung pillar of the Halos.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I had a couple of great conversations with him a few Spring Training’s back. Just an awesome dude. RIP Bill.

DowningDude
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I bet he goes out with his shin guards still on. That guy would walk around Tempe with them on 100% of the time.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

No doubt. He’d want it that way.

smithy610
Super Member
17 days ago

Good for the Royals for locking up their homegrown superstar. And good for Bobby Witt for wanting to build a winner with his first (and last) MLB team, and wanting to be that one-team superstar like Derek Jeter and Dustin Pedroia (and maybe Mike Trout).

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago

Golly, that Bobby Witt extension….

Getting to be the trend.

Maybe we should lock up Neto and O’Hoppe to 14-year $350MM extensions right now.

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

if we give them big contracts, we have issues at the trade deadline when we try to trade for short-term starting pitching help and a 37 yr old DH.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Bobby Witt looks like a good young player and he’s had 1 year at that performance level. They are hugely overpaying him even if he duplicated 2023 for the next 10 years. He’s put up 1 better than average year and they gave him a super star contract.

FungoAle
Super Member
17 days ago

The best news I heard all weekend, no it was not Cisneros, rumor that Arte is punching out. With having seen what the Orioles sold for and the Dodgers stole his prized possession, he is done and his quest for LA market share took a huge hit. I can only hope…

Fansince1971
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yes please

By the way are there any links to articles on this issue? I haven’t been able to find any.

Last edited 17 days ago by Fansince1971
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

The article I saw was in Facebook by some blogger that noted how “all the fans want Arte to sell”. The article was 💯 % speculation and referenced nothing beyond the author’s dislike of Arturo.

I guess people are attempting to wish it into reality

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

Agreed

FungoAle
Super Member
17 days ago

If Arte takes home the prize for the “who’s the foolish owner willing to pay Snell” then he is not selling.

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Maybe. Maybe not.

I think Snell’s price has dropped and dropping. Is there any number in which you would be willing to bite?

Say 125 million?

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yes, I would pay him 25M per year for 5-6 years. 25M would not an be an excessive hit to the payroll and I think you could likely count on him being a better than average performer over the length of the contract. He would provide stability while you developed home grown talent.

2GA2Join
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Unfortunately for us, the Yankees have already offered that amount.

And we know the narrative for players preferring to play for some teams instead of others…

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

That’s correct on both points. I believe he wants to play for the Yankees and they have already offered him 6/150.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Yes they did but that was prior to them signing Stroman. So there’s no guarantee that number is still on the table.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Good point, maybe we can sneak in.

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Considering what numerous “meh” players are making, 25 million per year for Snell would be a solid get for the Angels IMO.

FungoAle
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Hard for me to say as I am not too keen on his future, no more than 3-years. You’ll thank me later.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Or he is selling to an even foolisher owner? 
I mean a day after the Orioles sale was announced they made the trade for Corbin Burnes.

Coinkydink?

FungoAle
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Timing was interesting but the Orioles did not extend a contract, just shuffled bodies. I don’t think Burnes is all the expensive. Issuing a healthy $150M commitment to a contract likely to go bad does not seem like a good move if he was selling.

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago

Did the authors initials happen in to start with ‘F’ and end in ‘71’ ???

Haha

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Did the guys Facebook avatar have a birthday hat on?

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I doubt the Orioles deal motivated him to sell . In fact Everyone in the industry is surprised the price was too low. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1753049442276843935 If anything, I would think this would motivate him to hold onto the team.

But it’s always good to dream right?

FungoAle
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You’re right. Funny, I looked it up this AM and I thought that seemed low but still the 3rd richest in history? I guess unless it is the Yanks or Dodgers, MLB teams are not like the other major sports.

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The Phoenix Suns sold for $4B the same time Arte had his club for sale.

I think an MLB franchise in So Cal would be worth more than an NBA franchise here in PHX. Arte probably thinks so too but Mr. Market says to the best knowledge, the value is it is somewhere north of $3B.

Put some new paint on the Big A, throw in some condos and shops and Arte can easily see $4B.

***And while i mention the stadium, it stuns me a bit to see how fast The Walt Disney Corporation is moving and able to move to put a third park in west of DTD (lots happening with city/planning in 2024), while its just crickets for St College Blvd/Katella.

steelgolf
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

And I guarantee you that Disney is eyeing the stadium property and the surrounding parking lot, etc. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were pulling strings behind the nixing of the original deal Arte had.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

I think that 1.7 Billz is basically for 60% of the team…. or less? If I recall the new owners are kind of buying in phases.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago

The way I read the deal that was total team evaluation amount but who knows?

This shit is normally reported on by people who are not that proficient in basic math.

Last edited 17 days ago by Cowboy26
ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

THe rumor and Mark Cuban stuff felt super BS to me.

I think people might just be speculating why hes not spending

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

BUT…Cuban would be incredible!!!

RexFregosi
Super Member
17 days ago

Ballmer>>Cuban

halofansince1978
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Kroenke would be most bestest!!

BannedInLA
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

For sure.

First of all, Cuban is not even his real name. He’s a multi-level phony.

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Plus he went to Indiana University. We cant have Hoosiers owning our beloved baseball team.

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Could be worse… we could have some parking lot attendant from Bah-stin buying the team.

steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Who still owns a certain parking lot in the latrine. I wonder if he will be jacking the rates this season? 😆

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Well at least he’s the French Soccer league Ligue 1’s problem now.

I guess the fans hate him there and have rioted on numerous occasions. But That must make him feel right at home like being in the parking lot and stands for a Doyers-Giants game.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  steelgolf

It makes me smile several times a year to know that Frank McNuttin is still making money off the Doyer fans. Like a shitty ex-girlfriend from when you were 20 who is still collecting child support cause you couldn’t pull out.

You’d think Doyer fans would appreciate the old comfy feeling…..

WallyChuckChili
Legend
17 days ago

Luis Rengifo and Taylor Ward made MLBs All Underrated team

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
17 days ago

Evan Longoria is still unsigned at 38, would make a good back up possibly as his starting full-time days are done, and Chapman will cost a lot more than Arturo is likely to authorize anyway. I bet he will take just about any amount to play one more season and he might have some value in July because of injuries to other clubs. Just a thought.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
17 days ago

Yes. Longoria could possibly be a cheap alternative that can play 3B and 1B plus DH a little. There are worse ideas.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Yes AS and Arte is certainly chasing them……

Cowboy26
Legend
17 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

But can she pitch ?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

….apparently a lot of mature women (Age defying) beauty products…..

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

She’s still hot.

comment image

(Ok, that was one year ago, but recent enough)

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Would.

Fansince1971
Legend
17 days ago

Longoria is going to turn 39 this year. He hasn’t managed more than 266 ABs in 4 straight seasons. Last year he played in 74 games. His production has been way down since his mid 30s and now he is closer to 40. Other than a recognizable name, I just don’t see why the Angels would sign him other than for maybe 1 year and $1.5m. And why would he, a very rich man, want to move his family for that? Also there is some talk about his possible retirement. He is in the process of deciding whether to hang up his spikes.

Last edited 17 days ago by Fansince1971
HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
17 days ago

Wow, this Cisneros move shows us that Arte is going all in this year. We have entered the Big Market category.

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GrandpaBaseball
Legend
17 days ago

Everyone stay warm-stay dry- stay safe today in SoCal  🌂 

Angelz4ever
Super Member
17 days ago

The drive in this morning not so bad, I am already dreading the drive back…..

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
17 days ago

Good morning, Angels faithful, just 7 days until the big game, made your plans yet? We are headed out, if the snow and ice allow to my son and his brides and get to see my newest Granddaughter while we sit with the KC fans side of the room. My son and his buddies are on the SF side.

Mark Feinstein has suggested that the Halos pursue Gary Sanchez, and my reply is why. He can’t field and hitting is a challenge.

In a week and a half we will be getting under way, can’t wait.

Got up early to check out how much snow I have to shovel, it rained all night-good grief and smh. 👌  🏂 

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