LA Angels Weekend News Crash: Moving On

The biggest news in sports this past week was Shohei Ohtani taking a ridiculous contract to move up the 5 to Chavez Ravine. The contract contains provisions for him to opt out if ownership or certain front office people leave the organization.

That is 100% a statement that he’s seen how a bad organization is run and he won’t endure that again. Are you humiliated enough to sell yet, Arte?

So as Angels fans we are left to remember the joy Ohtani brought us and ponder what is next. And everybody is trying to do just that.

Jim Bowden sees a Michael Wacha and Teoscar Hernandez duo for the Angels.

At first I rolled my eyes but Wacha has been really good the last few years and an outfield mix of Ward, Trout, Hernandez, Moniak should be really good.

Perry Minasian says the players need some self motivation and he’s going to try to bring in self motivated guys.

Apparently the team is interested in replacing last year’s DH with J.D. Martinez. The guy can hit but I prefer to keep that spot open so Trout can get some time off the grass.

And the deals announced over the Winter Meetings are now official.

The Giants went big and signed Korean hot shot Jung Hoo Lee for 6 years and $113 million. I hope to see the lefty hitting quite a few balls to triples alley in SF. As a huge fan of base running, the triple is about my favorite play in the game.

Kansas City Royals fans had a good week. First they nabbed Seth Lugo for three years then added Chris Stratton for the bullpen.

I’m going in a completely different direction for longform and I have a poster here to thank for it. Angels founder Gene Autry was a flight officer during World War 2. What I’ve come to realize is that not only did Autry fly, he flew the most dangerous route it war, going over “The Hump.” A newly opened museum in India houses remains of American planes that flew this route.

Read that last link for sure. And in the aggregate they provide a nice look at the man who founded the MLB version of the Angels. Yes, he’ll always be the Singing Cowboy but he was also a hero who served in a very dangerous part of WWII.

Speaking of Singing Cowboy, it is December. No better time to link the song that probably gave Autry the money to buy the Angels. My son loves it and now tells folks “this is the guy who owned the Angels.”

Enjoy your weekend and link what I missed. Hopefully an Angels signing or trade.

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2GA2Join
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3 months ago

Guriel off the board, and Yamamoto having 2nd meeting with both NY teams… as predicted

Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I wanted Guriel

Cowboy26
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3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Why? the dudes totally overrated

SD19
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3 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Dude is an absolute Angel killer. Glad he’s in AZ. Has an Unlikable quality about him big time

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago

I propose a new Angel’s team rule in 2024. No more of that d@mn hair bleaching unless you are a good or better MLB player.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago

No matter what, including mucho respecto para Ohtnai, no d@mn athlete is worth $700M. Whether deferred until 2099 or whenever!

This deferral stuff is terrible.

Maybe if a team has deferral money in a year the former luxury limit should be retro to the year the contract was formed.

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Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago

Deferred salary until 2075? WTF!?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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3 months ago

This was available outside the paywall via Facebook.

IMHO, Sam Blum continues to be the only journalist that is not afraid to tell the truth when it comes to the Angels. I applaud him.

The Angels have lost credibility with a fan base that deserves better: Blum 
By Sam Blum
Dec 15, 2023

 

The Angels had every opportunity. 

Through all the clichéd platitudes offered by Shohei Ohtani’s agent, Nez Balelo, on Thursday afternoon, that one line stood out.

“The Angels had every opportunity.”

The comment was about the team’s alleged Ohtani pursuit. He’d spent the last six years donning their uniform, and now, Balelo put it on record that they were willing to listen if the Angels made a credible case for Ohtani’s return.

“The Angels are special to Shohei,” Balelo said. “He was there for the last six years. … It’a place he really loved to play.”

That line, “The Angels had every opportunity” sticks out like the team’s gaudy decade of losing. A line that transcends Arte Moreno’s decision to not match the Dodgers’ 10-year, $700 million offer.

The team had every opportunity to make Ohtani a competitive offer. They had every opportunity to trade him if they didn’t intend to pay him. They had every opportunity to put a competent team on the field alongside the two-way superstar.

The Angels have had nothing but opportunities. Every time, those opportunities are missed, bungled or downright ignored. The past six years have been a showcase in blowing an all-time chance. It should be no surprise that this played out the way it did.

This franchise and its owner have officially lost all credibility with a diehard fan base that deserves so much better.

“I have been a fan of this team since I was a baby,” said Sebastian Romero, a spectator who watched the team tear down Ohtani’s mural on Saturday. “For over a decade now, we’ve seen nothing but incompetence. It’s resulted in disappointing season after disappointing season.”

A lack of transparency has only compounded the incompetence that has led the organization to this moment. The Angels declined to comment on their decision not to match the Dodgers. When pressed directly during a Friday press conference, Angels GM Perry Minasian answered the way he always does. “I don’t discuss negotiations,” Minasian said. “I’ve said that since Day 1, when I arrived.”

Television analyst and team consultant Bobby Valentine is the most public-facing team employee to say anything. He went on the New York Post’s baseball podcast and discussed the organizational thought process.

This team spent the past three seasons building their entire brand around Ohtani’s presence, capitalizing on his global recognizability in a multitude of ways. His departure cannot be met with silence. An explanation and pledge/plan to get better are all that suffice.

To not comment is an insult to a fan base that has attended Angels games in dwindling numbers the past two seasons. The ones that still show up are owed more. Instead, when asked if Angels ownership would commit the resources to building a better roster, Minasian again chose a canned answer. “Since Day 1, this is a group that wants to win,” Minasian said. “Financially, what ownership has committed over the years says that.”

It may be that Angels ownership wants to win. But wanting to win means nothing. The Angels are asking you for more blind trust, but have earned none of it.

We’ve detailed the limited resources going to scouting, infrastructure, player development and even broadcasting. We’ve told you about how poorly the team treated its minor-league players. We’ve covered the various scandals and off-field dramas. We’ve written about poor spring training facilities.

Their payroll, while in the upper echelon of the league, is seemingly capped below the luxury tax threshold. Not nearly enough to make up for the franchise’s deficiencies.
At every opportunity to do better, it seems that this team balks. They continue to believe that the losing is a result of bad luck and misfortune. There’s enough evidence to show that it’s not.

Look no further than the Angels’ fumbling of Ohtani’s free agency. Moreno had to know that his price tag would be significant. Of course he would be competing against the richest clubs in baseball for the sport’s premier star.

It’s one thing for Ohtani to spurn his former team with a comparable offer. But that’s not what happened here. If Moreno wasn’t willing to pay Ohtani what it took — a deal that would have been fair and reasonable for the Angels — then Ohtani should have been traded at some point over the past two seasons.

“There’s zero regrets,” Minasian said when asked why he wasn’t traded over that timeframe.

Trading Ohtani might have actually helped in the effort to build a sustainable winner. It seems they were more inclined to milk every second they could out of his presence in Anaheim. Once that ended, they closed their eyes and hoped for the best. It’s what the Angels always do, and it ignores the actual cost and process of how winning is built.
Now, they’re left with no Ohtani, none of the prospects he could have netted and no sustainable source of wins.

The Angels fan base is ready to move on from Ohtani talk, and no one should blame them. It’s been an exhausting week. Watching a rival franchise parade their one-time hero around is probably nauseating.

The fans who live and die with this team are desperate to see change. They want to know what happens next, and that is fair.

But don’t get it twisted. What happened here, with Ohtani, reflects an organization that does not have a structured plan for what comes next. It is impossible to remove the immediate past from the immediate future.

Despite all of that, the Angels sit here with an opportunity to fix that. They have a strong young core of players. A good mix of veterans. A bona fide superstar. And a proven manager with some good coaches working behind him.

As is always the case with this team, if you look closely enough, you can spot a winner. Maybe the Angels will improve this offseason. Minasian is dead set on doing so, and should get credit if and when it happens. This is, again, an opportunity. Which by definition, is something the Angels can capitalize on.

The only issue? This franchise has given no reason to believe they’ll make anything of it.

Fansince1971
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3 months ago

Blum has a bullseye with this article. I agree Senator- he is an honest and straightforward journalist who does not pull punches. Thanks for sharing.

Angels2020Champs
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3 months ago

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tanana40
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3 months ago

This is the best bit:

“They have a strong young core of players. A good mix of veterans. A bona fide superstar. And a proven manager with some good coaches working behind him.
As is always the case with this team, if you look closely enough, you can spot a winner.”

Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Yes but….

“The only issue? This franchise has given no reason to believe they’ll make anything of it.”

tanana40
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That is the whole point and I get that. But it is the potential that is always there that keeps us all coming back (at least me). But I am done with Moreno.

Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

All he has to do is sell and I will be back 100% as an excited fan. Until then, I’m a critic.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

This is the whole point of sports. The idea a team can turn it around and suddenly become a winner. Like the DBacks last year. It happens occasionally. DBacks fans would have had little faith going into last season. How about those Orioles too?

As they say, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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3 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

The Orioles had the highest rated farm system for years before last season’s breakout. The same (to a lesser degree) with the Diamondbacks. Having a deep pool of talent to promote on an ongoing basis changes everything.

The Angels have not had a top 5, top 10, top 15, or top 20 farm system for multiple consecutive years since the Salmon/Howie/Anderson seasons.

The Angels had a stroke of lightning back in 2002 and won it all as a wild card team. The Marlins have done it too. However, I can’t think of an era when a franchise “suddenly became a winner” year after year after year.

If the Angels executives are not looking to build a winner year after year after year, then they need to move on.

Eric_in_Portland
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3 months ago

There’s also the possibility that Shohei’s departure has broken the Angels and the better free agents now want nothing to do with the Angels. Money is nice but constant losing is a deterrent. Let’s say you’re Snell. The Angels offer $35 mil per season. Great, right? Then you find out it’s a 5 yr deal. 5 years!! Stuck with the Angels for 5 years!??!

I would think any free agents we sign will be 1 yr or 2 yr deals. I could be wrong, of course, but that’s what I’m feeling today.

Fansince1971
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3 months ago

I tend to agree and I think players will likely test the market fully before agreeing to anything with the Angels.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago

Yeah, then why did a pretty good reliever just sign with Oakland?

Eric_in_Portland
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3 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

if you mean Gott, that’s a 1 yr deal.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Blum needs to find better things to do via his articles. Again, everyone believed Ohtani was going to the Dodgers. Everyone expected the Angels inability to win with him would result in his departure. Everyone thought $50 million a year was the dollar figure for his contract. People thought his recent injury would impact the competitors and their offers.

Ohtani got $70 million a year from the Dodgers — more than expected but from the team everyone knew. He wasn’t staying. Move on.

The key now is what new moves get made. Not panic moves to overpay for middling talent. But actual, smart moves going forward. Currently, there are none. Blum can write about that. Hopefully a few intelligent moves will get done.

Finally, as to Giolito, I didn’t like the move because I’ve never thought he was good. But I don’t begrudge Arte going for it. No one can say the trade fodder would have been good. It could have been the equivalent of the next Moniak or Adell. We have that. Move along now.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Spot on analysis…..

And highlights why the Angels will continue to have a tough time winning under Moreno.

Moreno teasing the sale of the team last year was our biggest hope for a brighter future. That ship, now, is apparently gone.

Brent
Super Member
3 months ago

Over/Under 66.5 games won next year at this point?

Twebur
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3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Give me the Over… 68

Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Wow – really depends on health but at this point I’ll take the slight over. Around 71 games. Mostly because I like that number 😂

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DowningDude
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3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

over, just barely

steelgolf
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

74 games – so I’ll take the over.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Over. Even losing Ohtani, I can’t believe that we will be hit with as many injuries as we were last year.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 months ago

Oh ye of little faith. When half the team goes down with neck injuries from a seagull attack during a travel day 12:25 game, then you will see them top last years injuries.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Over because the super teams are centralizing talent and there will be a much larger middle grouping of teams that provide opportunities for the Angels to eke out a few wins.

RexFregosi
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Under because 10WAR is gone with that DH who pitched and as of now, nothing has really been done about it.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
3 months ago

my guess is the longer we wait for a needle-mover the more likely we get Bellinger. I expect he’ll sign after the decent pitchers. When all the decent pitchers are gone Arte will “make a splash”.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 months ago

Belli get to Toronto.

Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

That’s what it looks like. And if you were Belinget wouldn’t you want to go to Toronto over Anaheim?

My guess is that will be an ongoing problem this off-season. Who really wants to play here? Other than the weather and the southern California lifestyle, taxes are high, and the team has completely sucked. If there’s anywhere else for a top free agent to land, they are likely to view that as a better option.

Twebur
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3 months ago

It might be like waiting for an invite to the Boston Mayor’s Christmas Party…..

Brent
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Sounds about white.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago

I pray we don’t get Bellinger.

I will literally throw up.

Twebur
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3 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Smoking weed helps with nausea

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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3 months ago

Perry might be locked in on guys who will accept one-year deals

h27kim
Trusted Member
3 months ago

The thing is, money aside (but that’s a big, huge aside), someone like Bellinger makes some sense for us–a LH bat who plays good to decent CF and 1b….

steelgolf
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

We have Moniak to play center at a fraction of the cost of a Bellinger, who has room to improve, while Bellinger has room to decline.

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I haven’t seen ONE person on this forum that has advocated that we sign Cody.

We are rarely unanimous on any issue.

2GA2Join
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I’ll bite. I considered Cody, if we miss on everyone else. We have a lot of payroll space. But then when I think through more, I don’t like the risk.

One thing I think we can do with our money is grow the farm, by taking on a few huge bad contracts (1 to 2 year max) in order to get prospects included. The reverse Wil Wilson.

And of course one other choice is just hold at a low payroll for this whole year and then go bonkers next year with the better free agent class.

BannedInLA
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I love the idea of taking on a few bloated contracts to acquire prospects.

h27kim
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

As things stand, Moniak is starting. Whatever Bellinger is getting will be too much for first guy off the bench.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Perry always sounds like someone who went to Vegas to gamble with his only plan being that he is going to be very lucky betting on long shots. He’s still going in to this year counting on Rendon and a healthy Mike Trout. Neither of which has been the case for the last 3-4 years.

MarineLayer
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

To me, Minasian is the guy at the poker table who can’t figure out who the mark is, because it’s him.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Wouldn’t discuss anything about Ohtani’s negotiations

bobblanton
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3 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Oops I meant that guys negotiations. Sorry

bobblanton
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3 months ago

Perry was in an article in USA Today

Pineapple12
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3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Rendone

WallyChuckChili
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3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That is more than I would have guessed.

Mia
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Mia
3 months ago

Renfroe to the Royals.

RexFregosi
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Rendon to the Royals.

Sounds better

Mia
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Mia
3 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

It really would, Rex. It really would.

DaveChalk
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Even better, Rendon to Royals for Bobby Witt Jr.

John Henry Weitzel
Editor
Super Member
3 months ago

At least we aren’t A’s fans

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago

Wacha off the boards, the Halos are being so aggressive with these signings.

Cowboy26
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3 months ago
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GrandpaBaseball
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3 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

This is about knowing attendance is going to fall and keeping payroll way down.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 months ago

Being in the minority sometimes makes looking at things different. I still believe that Perry Minasian put together a good team to open the ’23 season, it should have worked other that trAdition popping up, at least on paper it should have worked.

So what failed? The major thing that failed was once again health issues. Rendone failure to make it to 145 games and provide defense at thew hot corner along with hitting .275-22-85 hurt big time. Would he have provided 38 million dollars’ worth? No but a decent season of a 3 to 4 WAR would have helped big time.

Trouty is just not holding up to the rigors of playing in 145 – 150 games in CF. Gone are the days of claiming that we have Superman on our team, the first six season of his career were as good as it can get for any player and he has produced very little for many years now, although he sure did hit the ball hard in ’22 when he played. I still think he should purchase a first basemen’s glove. but if he would have produced a .300-35-100 season we would have been rolling in cotton. a 5-6 or even a 7 WAR would have gone a long way.

Ward not getting hurt would have produced a 4-5 WAR no doubt.

We were doomed at SS from the gate and we make have done even better at SS in Neto did not get injured. Fletcher was never a full time SS, and may have put Drury at first if he had hit .300 with 170 hits and 80-90 R/S. I have high hopes for Neto in the future.

Renfroe was a great signing, cannon arm in right, and he should have provided a .275-25-85 line and a 4 WAR, but the best laid plans happened.

Sandoval went off track with either bad calls or errors behind him and could not throw strikes. Detmers could throw strikes when needed because the plan was to make every hitter swing out of the strike zone and to not throw strikes-it didn’t work. Anderson proved out my rule of thumb, NEVER ever sign a Free Agent after a career year. Again, was it the Dodger magic coaching that made Anderson so good? Whatever it was our coaches had no clue of what Anderson should have been doing.

The bench and the backups were wonderful at striking out, breaking bones and otherwise just over all being well, Angels.

Catching was actually not terrible as Thaiss learned with on-the-job training and listened to his coaches and O’Hoppe was darn decent himself when not injured.

Blaming PTP for putting together the Angels ’23 squad is a little unfair as the dyke kept springing leaks and he did his best to keep the team competitive. What you can blame him for is trying hard to stay in the hurt with the trade with the White Sox that just blew up in his face, but he was also trying to make the playoffs and holed on to Ohtani.

No GM is going to be on in every trade or signing or in the draft. Without the best scouts being employed the draft is very tough but grabbing Neto in the middle of the 1st round was a good choice.

Working for a owner like Artie is tough also as it looks easy, but is it? Don’t be so quick to dismiss PTP, he has a very impossible job and has done better than any of the guy’s Arte has hired to do the job.

clover_black
Super Member
3 months ago

Ward not getting hurt would have produced a 4-5 WAR no doubt.

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ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
3 months ago

I don’t think anyone soley blames Perry but the problem with Perry and any sympathy he is due is that the perception of the job was crystal clear by the time Eppler was out. Perry had both eyes open when he interviewed. He got exactly what was to be expected working here so he doesn’t get any mulligans. He was expected to make it work in spite of Arte and he has not done so.

GrandpaBaseball
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3 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Just what is it you think he has failed at in the big picture. If the days that the team had players on the Injured List last year were even cut by half, we certainly would have finished above .500 and cut it by 2/3 and we are in the playoffs and contenting for the World Series possibly. Injuries is the cause for the trade with the White Sox.

I hated to see Marsh go, that was a tough decision I’m sure, but he made it, and the jury is still out on that. He has had one bad draft and two good ones, and that beats Eppler’s four bad ones. I am not advocating HOF here, just pointing out that he is better than expected as a rookie GM as most GM’s need 2 or 3 gigs before knowing what to do after learning from mistakes.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
3 months ago

Specifically, he has not improved the bad minor league system he inherited nor has he improved player development in any way. He employed bad pitching and hitting coaches and he has not really improved the major league team. He has drafted and acquired 4 young position players who may provide a foundation for the future, but we don’t know yet in my opinion, other than Logan. Even with the team being what it is, I don’t see evidence of systemic organizational changes that would lay the groundwork for the future.

I give you that not all choices will work out and you can’t predict injuries although regarding 2023, he basically was entering the season with out a C, 1B, 2B, or SS, and was counting on Rendon to stay healthy. He did acquire and assemble a group of versatile bench players who could help address these issues and he was forced to promote Neto, Schanuel, and O’Hoppe, all of whom would have been in the minor leagues last year for almost any other team. I like those players but basically he was forced to promote his minor leaguers because of all the holes on the major league club. He claimed after the fact starting those players was his plan all along but I’m not buying it.

But I do agree that with Artie as the owner, It’s really difficult to a great job, but as others have stated, he knew all of this when he was hired and his 3 year record speaks for itself.

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2GA2Join
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Perry has improved the minor league system. The drafts have been better.

Also, just for example… I just looked at the chat with Taylor Blake Ward, where someone asked him if the Angels have improved on the international side. His response was “Drastic improvements in my opinion.”

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I have no insight into the international side so I will take your word on that. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that the drafts were better although the bar before was really low and I have not seen any real evidence of that as a whole. In my opinion our minor league system is not demonstrably better than it was 3 years ago. It remains to be seen whether Neto or Schanuel actually pan out. If they do, he gets the credit.

To be fair, last year, he was very unlucky with injuries and performance, and prior to that, he was dealing with the potential sale, which along with the Ohtani situation really set him back. For his sake, Ohtani not returning should allow him to build the club he want’s but I don’t see us any closer now than when we took over. During his tenure, he has overseen some really bad decisions across the board. Not trading Ohtani was out of his control but trading possibly our two best prospects for a month of Giolito was inexcusable.

2GA2Join
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I see Giolito as a double-whammy, all not his fault.
Perry was going to keep our prospects and not trade for Giolito, and meanwhile trade Ohtani and get a haul of talent. And presumably trade away Drury, Estevez and Moore for even more talent. He could have transformed our entire farm system.

Then his boss said “No!” and forced him into a corner where he had to cook up a plan to acquire some talent for a desperate attempt to contend.

Last edited 3 months ago by 2GA2Join
Eric_in_Portland
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3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

So then Arte is the GM and Perry is the assistant GM

Fansince1971
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3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

This I agree with 100%. That was all on Arte.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Maybe, just maybe the floor is raised but I do agree Perry has improved the food choices and he is a foodie you know. Waistline wasteland. But by looking at the updated Fangraphs 2023 farm rankings, the Angels are dead last. No 50 grade prospects identified yet. Some of that is due to his deadline disaster deals and his penchant for racing 1st rounders to the Bigs.

Why give Perry so much rope?

Fansince1971
Legend
3 months ago

Grandpa, that team was never a playoff team. At best it was a 500 team and again that does not mean that Perry didn’t do his job within the confines of working for Arte. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves and say that team would have ever been a playoff team Particularly playing in a division with Texas, Houston and Seattle

FungoAle
Super Member
3 months ago

I think when you say “draft” you’re only looking at the 1st player selected. Yeah, Neto and Schanny Singles have stuck with the club. But the embodiment of each drafts are lacking. But…it’s still too early to tell. Thus far, the farm does not grade out well.

2GA2Join
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I disagree strongly here: “He was expected to make it work in spite of Arte and he has not done so.”
The club belongs to Arte. Arte has the final call on everything. If rumors are true, Perry was going to trade Ohtani which would have been wonderful, but got squashed by Arte. It makes no sense that anyone can expect a GM to make a team do well in spite of the boss above them overruling them and choosing a different path.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
3 months ago

Respectfully, I do not give Perry a pass at all.

Arte has been a MLB owner for 20 years. He’s a known quantity inside and outside of baseball. He’s been conducting business and operating the franchise largely the same way since taking control.

Perry is a baseball guy from a baseball family. He worked in MLB before accepting the Angels gig. I can’t imagine him accepting the Angels job without doing his due diligence on Arte, Carpino, Kuhl, and the rest of the Angels administrative and baseball leadership.

I believe Perry’s done a good job with the job he accepted. He’s made good decisions in many cases, but also owns the decisions that did not achieve desired results. If it were my decision, I’d support retaining Perry on a two-year extension. I don’t believe Perry deserves anything longer than that.

I don’t consider Perry to be a “victim” working for Arte. I believe Perry 100% knew what he was getting into BEFORE he accepted the job.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 months ago

“Victim”, not at all. Just my take in what he has to deal with daily. As far as owning some bad decisions, he would tell you he is not perfect, and I would add what GM/POBO is? As far as extension of his contract goes, I do not care what he does, but I would say that over all he has produced well for the position he is in.

As far as taking the job with knowing what he has to deal with, yes, he knew who signs the checks. Maybe also he thought that after a couple of interviews that he could change Arte’s mind on somethings such as raising the amount of money the team spent on players prior to opening day in trying to win. Whatever his reasoning was we will never be privy to that thought process and I don’t care either. What I do feel is he is the best we have had since Stoneman.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 months ago

I do not intend to be disrepectful in anyway, having a difference of opinion is good debate and healthy and I welcome the opportunity to do so with you because I do respect you.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 months ago

Grandpa no offense, but this reads a little bit like your preseason posting in Feb/March where you predicted that the Angels would lead the league with something like 7000 runs (😂) scored. I think your WAR presumptions are high by quite a bit. Let’s put it this way, if the team stayed healthy last year, I think they probably would’ have won around eight more games and would’ve been a 500 team. That actually would have been a pretty good result. But far from a playoff team. I agree that Perry’s moves last off-season were not terrible and in fact had some potential but that was never a playoff team.

Last edited 3 months ago by Fansince1971
Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago

Irony-Isn’t Wacha who St. Louis selected with Pujol’s QO pick from the Halos?

clover_black
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Yes

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago

Unless something major changed, Strasburg is getting ready for the world’s most awkward Spring Training. The Nats won’t grant him medical retirement with full salary, so they are requiring him to show up to ST, though he won’t be able to throw, or at least throw competitively, and he’s not going to be on any active playing list this or any other season.

Strasburg: “Hey, my uniform doesn’t have a number.”

Nat’s org: “You don’t need a number.”

Last edited 3 months ago by Angelz4ever
MarineLayer
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Angels are requiring RenDone to show up.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Much different, Strasberg will NEVER be able to play again.

Rendon can throw a ball and grab fans as well.

Bold prediction: Rendon will shock the world in 2024……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………by learning how to hable ingles.

Last edited 3 months ago by Angelz4ever
JackFrost
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

“Rendon can throw a ball (albeit off-target) and grab fans as well.”

 😄 

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Strasburg is put in an ugly position, and the Nats are doing it purposefully. IMHO I believe they are trying push towards mediating his remaining money, but I don’t think it’s going to work.

Certainly the MLBPA will break his other arm if he even remotely thinks about settling.

Last edited 3 months ago by Angelz4ever
Mia
Legend
Mia
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Nats doing their part to make Angels ownership a bit more palatable haha

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 months ago
Reply to  Mia

 😄 

PedroCerrano
Super Member
3 months ago

The girls in the back of the Autry video are wearing the Turd Ferguson hats.

https://youtu.be/OzsyDpAT5NI?si=j_yVq7N6K1JayF_C

Angelz4ever
Super Member
3 months ago

Unofficial news agency reported:

After he signed with the San Francisco Giants Lee said through an interpreter, “Oh F***, that San Francisco!?”

Last edited 3 months ago by Angelz4ever
PedroCerrano
Super Member
3 months ago

The Dodgers are going for it and will probably push all their chips in ala the Rams with their Super Bowl run (F*** the picks”). I won’t be actively rooting for them but I will be happy to see Ohtani win a World Series ring if it comes together. If anything the last few years as an Angels fan has demonstrated is that bad baseball is harder to watch than good baseball.

I’ve been a hard core Angels fan for almost 50 years and the bad baseball has far outweighed the good. Unfortunately for me, I’m the human equivalent of a Golden Retriever and I’m faithful to a fault when reason would suggest doing otherwise.

toad2065
Member
3 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Same, 60 years and counting! 😂