LA Angels Monday News Crash:

We’ve gone from “aggressive” to about 15 minutes of generalizations. I’ve got a bad feeling about this. I am not entirely sure Perry even has a plan. Let’s face it, the free agent spending numbers don’t lie.

Hunter Renfroe got $13 Million in exchange for two years with the Royals.

Lourdes Gurriel Jr. is going to the Diamondbacks. It’s a three year deal worth $42 Million. Yoshinobu Yamamoto is apparently zeroing in on New York as a landing spot although the Giants and the Red Sox have also made him huge offers. The Dodgers traded for Tyler Glasnow and Manuel Margot. Going the other way were Ryan Pepiot and outfielder Jonny Deluca.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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2GA2Join
Super Member
6 months ago

Apparently we’re discussing contract ideas with Stroman

Fansince1971
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6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Really bad idea in my opinion.

Mia
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Mia
6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Isn’t it funny how players are always open to signing with the Angels when their career is declining.

Trying to sign FA at any other time of their career is like pulling teeth.

It’s becoming obvious players view the Angels as a place to ride it out and cash those fat checks.

If they sign Stroman you’ll get the worst years of his career. He was dogshit second half of ‘23.

clover_black
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I wouldn’t hate it.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

He was in my IIWPM and for 2 years he would make sense

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

If it’s stupid, it’s the Angels.

2002heaven
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6 months ago

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So are you what are you waiting for Perry?
GET HIM!!!!!
BYE!!!! 💪  💪  💪 
Like the long wet hair look?

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I wish you link player bios or stats with these photos. Who is this?

2002heaven
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

2018 SEC player of the year and 2021 NL ROY.

Fansince1971
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6 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Jonathan India would have to be traded for. Who do you suggest the Angels trade for him? Or is that too close to an IIWPM for you?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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6 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Jaime Jaquez Jr.?

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
6 months ago

This group has always had its naysayers, but I’ve never seen a unanimous consensus like this year. If they don’t make some big moves, ticket sales are going to drop on top of the Ohtani loss of fans.

GrandpaBaseball
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6 months ago

Arte can attract buyers with a lower payroll and hope that Trouty rebounds to keep tix sales at 2 million.

Last edited 6 months ago by GrandpaBaseball
Brent
Super Member
6 months ago

lol no chance they sell 2 million tickets this season, no matter who they bring in.

And no chance they get half that actually in the stands unless there’s 82 home games vs BOS, NY, and LA this season.

Cowboy26
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6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

I’ll take that bet.

Eric_in_Portland
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6 months ago

Arte has always believed that big stars equals winning (for him). I found his statement about why we wouldn’t trade Ohtani at the deadline fascinating. With Trout hurt he felt he owed it to the fans to come see the remaining superstar, otherwise what? they wouldn’t show? Note that he was not talking about winning games, then or down the road. He was more interested in getting fans out to the park, to an enjoyable experience seeing *Ohtani*.

Now Ohtani is gone and Trout is 32. By what matters to Arte we should be seeing a large splash signing. But who is there to be signed? Let’s say Snell is a desirable player for the Angels. Would we make a special trip to see Snell? Bellinger? I don’t think so, certainly not at the Ohtani or Trout level.

Arte has catered to the casual fan for years. Now he’s in a spot. There’s no way he can deliver for 2024. Honestly, if it’s a lost year he might be very much inclined to sell before the season starts.

GrandpaBaseball
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6 months ago

Agree-agree-agree but believe it or not there are those here that believe that Arturo is not a dumbass, funny stuff.

tanana40
Super Member
6 months ago

An Albert Pujols comeback tour would a marketing goldmine. Goldmine, I tell you.

Eric_in_Portland
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6 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

ow, you made me laugh!! 😂 

Cowboy26
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6 months ago

Unanimous Consensus of what? You’re Speaking for yourself HF because I refuse to join a club that would have me as a member.

GrandpaBaseball
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6 months ago

Alexander Wilson-don’t know who he is? Well, me neither, but he is a “featured writer” for the New York Yankees and he says “Most fans want Japanese star Yamamoto to sign with the Yankees-say what! I’m one fan that wants him on the Dodgers so they can go BK or the Giants to make sure there will be pennant race in the NLWD.

red floyd
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6 months ago

He left out the obvious word. “Most [Yankee] fans want…”

Eric_in_Portland
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6 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Alexander WilsonFounder/CEO at Empire Sports MediaNyack, New York, United States

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago

Matt Carpenter signing would enable the Halos to make it to the World Series. I’m sure the Cardinals would comp him some tix and he could take a few Halo teammates to a game….

GrandpaBaseball
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6 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Matt Carpenter caught lightning in a bottle last year, look at his numbers for fielding. He is older now and really has a very limited future in a rebuilding faze we are about to enter. More Yuts is what is needed to go forward and get back to winning. Besides, picking up ex-Cardinals is no bueno.

2GA2Join
Super Member
6 months ago

That Kyle Bradish guy got a pre-arb bonus.
Good thing we got him out of our system, because he would have become expensive soon…
 🤔 

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

How much of the Bradish talk is just hindsight thinking? We sent four pitchers to the Orioles for Bundy – how many of them have made it, and on what timeline?

Eric_in_Portland
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6 months ago

I’m so depressed about the Angels, Perry, Arte, that I’m thinking of bagging the whole thing and becoming a jai alai fan, or maybe professional go-kart racing

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago

Rec for jai alai reference…..

2GA2Join
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6 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I always think of Miami Vice…

DowningDude
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6 months ago

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

You sir win the the Internet for December!

steelgolf
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6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

🤣

Fansince1971
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6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Perfect!

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
6 months ago

Braves released Matt Carpenter. I’d taking a flyer on him. The Angels are going to need a warm body at 3B when Rendon gets injured in April. The likelihood of playing time might actually make him want to come here, too.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I still think I would rather bring Urshela back.

Cowboy26
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6 months ago

Or Mous

FungoAle
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6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And his negative WAR, no thanks

GrandpaBaseball
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6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

He’d make for a good bat of the bench though or a wonderful coach.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Leadership and a bat off of the bench? Can fill in a few positions. It wouldn’t be the worst signing, especially with the young players at SS, 1B etc.

2002heaven
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Jered Walsh?
LOL!!!!!! 😂 

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago

I wonder about his prognosis following the shattering pelvis or whatever?

I’d prefer Whit Merrifield as IF & OF depth.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Well, one trusts management enough to know if he is healed, right? Merrifield isn’t as versatile in the IF, which is where we need the support (depending perhaps on how we deal with DH). He is also 3 years older than Urshela.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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6 months ago

Really? She’s so out of shape since the injury….

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Cowboy26
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6 months ago

Only if she can pitch.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Matt’s dad is a Texas HS coaching legend. I heard they went to a 15u practice the other day coached by one of Matt’s old TCU teammates. They did machine-hitting on the field. Matt jumped in and I heard he did not look good at all.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago

Matt Carpenter couldn’t run the pitching machine?

WallyChuckChili
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6 months ago

How long do you think the mourning period will be before the Angels sign another player after losing Ohtani?

Mia
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Mia
6 months ago

We were all ready to jump off a bridge on HH after we missed out on Cole. Took the Rendon signing to bring a lot of us around back then. Hilarious as that seems now.

So whenever Arte wants to pay Bellinger, I guess.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I really hope that Bellinger doesn’t happen.This team doesn’t need a tiny little bandage on their gaping wounds. I’m okay that they didn’t sign Ohtani as it would have been more of the same with the marketing spin first front office.

Mia
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Mia
6 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

It is just such an obvious Arte move.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Specters of Hamilton and Pujols lurking

FungoAle
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6 months ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

So true, good post.

FungoAle
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6 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I’m praying the Blue Jays go hard after Bellinger and prevent a mistake happening here in Anaheim.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Your mouth to God’s ears (or however that expression goes).

If we’re going to throw stupid money at a big ticket FA, please at least let it be Yamamoto or Snell.

2GA2Join
Super Member
6 months ago

I doubt the two are connected…

Nor am I convinced that there is as much mourning going on as some people (the media especially) might think. A very good amount of people on this site, for example, didn’t think we should re-sign Ohtani in the first place. It is very possible that the Angels were thinking the same thing, but just kept an outward appearance of “being interested” to make casual fans happy.

Fansince1971
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6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Well, if you are right about that, then not trading him was even more moronic.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

$700M? NOTYVM!

2GA2Join
Super Member
6 months ago

You now have your answer…. Tayron Guerrero

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Angels must be really sad about their finish in the draft lottery and are trying to improve the odds next year.

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

He is the owner of an 11.51 ERA!!! That good right? Right?…….Right?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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6 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Higher the number, the better

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago

Like bowling?

red floyd
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6 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

And batting is like golf, you’re swinging at a ball, so lower number are better!

red floyd
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6 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

And yes, like bowling, so the higher your number, the more strikes you have!

Eric_in_Portland
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6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

at least he’s young. Only 32!

Cowboy26
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6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Between him and some of the other prime prospects that Perry will have at AAA next season, We’ll probably set a new PCL Record for most walks and Wild Pitches in a season.

https://twitter.com/Jared_Tims/status/1736844141219500175

Last edited 6 months ago by Cowboy26
HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Hopefully, someone will teach him how to get it to move. Rather see him at 97 with movement. With all the velo training guys do, the speed isn’t the issue, it’s run and sequencing.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Hallelujah!

“Guerrero, 33 in January, has 106 innings of major league experience but hasn’t appeared in the bigs since 2019. He signed a minor league deal with the Reds going into 2023 but was released in June after posting a dreadful 11.51 earned run average in 22 2/3 innings. “

We can rejoice because he was nails in the Mexican League. Perry has a plan…it’s to get severance when he’s fired.

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Fleckstein
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Does that translate to 115.1 ERA in Salt Lake?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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6 months ago

Before they sign a real, highly qualified and competent player? 10 years?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago

Halos to defer signing quality players?

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Fansince1971
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6 months ago

Marketing marketing marketing. Every public word out of this Organization is consistent with that one goal.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The most surprising thing about that is the complete lack of awareness that WINNING is actually the best marketing tool available.

Fansince1971
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6 months ago

I agree 100%. To be fair, I do think Arte has theoretically tried to accomplish on-field success by throwing money at certain free agents. But the reality is money spent without a real baseball organization directing the decision making is often wasted money. Arte seems to think spending money (to a point) is sufficient. But if there is no solid baseball organization behind that money it is wasted resources.

h27kim
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

And the Dodgers expect to make far more money than we did marketing he who can no longer be named. :/. Arte and gang can’t even do marketing that well, nevermind run a baseball team.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
6 months ago

I don’t think Perry is ever saying anything he actually believes in these interviews. We know ownership drove the entire Ohtani situation so when he says he doesn’t regret not trading him, what else is he gonna say? “Yeah my boss kind of screwed that one up” ?

His interviews are pointless. We were going to be really aggressive before signing Ohtani and now that he’s gone I guarantee you he has gotten some kind of directive/limit/whatever from Moreno about spending or otherwise acting aggressively.

Hopefully we do nothing and that means Moreno is slashing payroll in preparation for a sale.

DowningDude
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6 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Ownership drove the ohtani situation…

picture of Arte and Perry “driving”:
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FungoAle
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6 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Sale or no sale, sit this 2024 FA class out. Let the kids play.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Can we switch management teams with the Rays? What another great move they made. Glasnow has filthy stuff but can’t go for a whole season. They pick up a solid reliever with two more years at the league minimum. Watch out if their new stadium creates huge windfalls. The location of the Trop is terrible.

Mia
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Mia
6 months ago

Anyone smart enough to work for the Rays is smart enough to not work for Arte.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Mia

🎤 Drop

Angelz4ever
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6 months ago
Reply to  Mia

“Survey says….? DING #1 answer!”

GrandpaBaseball
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6 months ago

7 days left to Christmas, and we went out shopping yesterday and I scored an Angels Christmas tree ornament at a grocery store, last one too. I was proud of my find. It’s made by Hallmark. A red baseball glove catching a white baseball with our logo on it. We get in a long line and the guy ringing us up, wearing a Santa hat that was green and gold with a Packers logo holds up my newfound treasure and says this is nice, with got three in last week, just not as hot as the Dodgers ornament, we got a dozen of those in and they were gone in an hour. Ouch, I am in a sinking ship feeling told me of the reality that I am in a serious minority in SoCal rooting for the Angels now as Dodger fans have taken over with Shohei to Blue, leaving me feeling blue. 😮  😡  😆 

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
6 months ago

It’s funny how movies are always about a gritty underdog but in real life people flock to the big-money teams that would be the villain in those movie.

Last edited 6 months ago by AnAngelsFan
DowningDude
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6 months ago

Surprised the Angel ornament wasn’t in the 90% off bin!

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

Yamamoto is a battleship looking for a coastal port, but battleships do not fly, therefore he is not earning his pitching wings as an Angel. Details of Shohei’s contract are out and if true and the Halos did not match it (Or should we say Arte didn’t match it, Arte is a bigger horse’s arse than we thought.

Charles, it’s not at all Perry Minasian is without a plan, it’s Arte has no plan other than not raising payroll, period. Either he is trying to keep payroll where it is at for a possible new owner, or he knows a huge wave of depression is coming upon the team or both. PTP is just a lame duck at this point until his leash is to be removed.

Could be to that Dumbass Arturo is going to wait until next off season to load up on Free Agents, but tight lipped as usual the Angels front office has been sworn in to say nuttin’.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago

Arte is a “dumbass” for not paying that much for Shohei when the team around him is subpar?

I completely disagree. It’s likely that Shohei has already shown us his peak (2021-2023) and the inevitable regression is soon to follow.

Shoehei is a good addition for a big market team that is already good. The Angels are neither

Cowboy26
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6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

But Arte is a dumbass for not raiding the Doyers farm system.

DowningDude
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6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

FTFY:
Arte is a dumbass

Fansince1971
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6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Im sure he knows plenty about advertising signs but he knows diddly when it comes to baseball

h27kim
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

He knows diddly when it comes to marketing baseball.

SC_Halo
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

i think our “raiding a system” window closed 2 years ago. We wouldn’t have gotten that haul this year with teams knowing he wasn’t re-signing with us. Don’t get me wrong, we should’ve dealt him. Arte interference struck again.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That is an entirely different conversation.

FungoAle
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6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Exactly, just how many wins did the Angels have when Ohtani was at his peak?

GrandpaBaseball
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6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Banned-it’s seeming to me that I have not at all changed my narrative, I said in July of ’22 that the best thing that could be done then was to trade Shohei for all we could get, then I stayed the course and said that I believed we should have traded him last off-season and again this past July and I never once claimed to expressed the need to sign him for what was thought to be 500 million for 10yrs. So yes, I do believe Arte is a “Dumbass”, if you want, I can make a list of dumbass moves he has made in just the last 10yrs of ownership. So, disagree if you wish, I can but down my case and you can think different because he never had a real chance to sign Shohei anyway.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago

Obviously Arte should have traded Shohei. Preferably in 2022.

I am focused in your contention that Arte is a dumbass for not retaining Shohei for 700 million – deferred or otherwise.

You’re attempting to move the goal posts on your original argument. Are you making the argument that Arte should have the 700 million or not or was it simply an avenue to launch into Arte? Two things can be true at the same time. Arte flubbed on not trading him, but at least he didn’t compound the problem by throwing 700 million at a 30 year old baseball player.