LA Angels Weekend News Crash: I Got Nothing

Each week I try to come up with some clever way to string this piece together and give it some cohesion and humor. This week, I got nothing.

The biggest news was Ohtani getting elbow surgery. Per his Instagram account he’ll be good to hit in 2024 and pitch again in 2025. Where that will be is to be determined.

One guy who will definitely be an Angel in 2024 got to live out his childhood dream by hitting a home run in front of his mom.

One guy I really hope is healthy enough to pitch in 2024 was flat out nasty in Tampa Bay.

Brandon Drury had himself one heck of a game on Wednesday, connecting for two home runs and 5 RBI against a very good Rays team.

Not much went right for the Angels in 2023 but the Brandon Drury signing has worked out really well. And he’s signed through next season. Our friend Jeff Fletcher took a look at that.

Another guy who will be here in 2024 is this year’s first round pick Nolan Schanuel who has gotten off to a great start.

The kid even hit his first home run this week.

Yesterday the Angels managed to choke away a late lead and lose the series to Tampa Bay 2 games to 1. Esteves knows how to add a good teammate and it isn’t by nailing down that save.

As of noon on Thursday the Angels are sitting 6th in the Tankathon rankings but the Cardinals 5th spot is within reach. Have some fun and run some simulated lotteries on there. Then take a way too early look at a mock draft and dream a little.

From around baseball:

Ronald Acuna is having an incredible season and his recent surge has him tied or ahead of Mookie Betts in pretty much every statistical category.

Yusei Kikuchi gets 13 to 14 hours of sleep per night. Wow. My brain loves to go into overdrive about 11 PM and keep me to low single digits without chemical help.

The Dodgers are going full Stalin and erasing Julio Urias image from their World Series mural and other parts of the stadium. I have to imagine his free agent landing spots are down to Houston and the Yankees.

The schedule for the 2023 playoffs is out. We will have game threads, so stick around.

Enjoy your weekend and link what I missed.

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Twebur
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6 months ago

Jerry’s M’s vs Rangers tonight.

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FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Pickings are thin, I see

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Thin and Dichiara don’t belong in the same sentence.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I think Davis Daniel will be OK. It will be interesting to see how Sonny D holds up.

Brent
Super Member
6 months ago

Per Jeff Fletcher,

The Angels placed Aaron Loup on the IL with a left shoulder strain, so his season is over.

The opens a spot for Davis Daniel to be added to the roster.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

So are we officially above the CBT limit again?

Brent
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I can pitch, and do it at a cost that would keep them under that, if needed.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

I can go the minimum 3 batters. I’ll do it for free if I can eat after the game, l hear they serve a delicious buttered LOBster…….and I want to have Sam the Hat question me about my playing weight. And I’d like to try coaching 3rd base for a couple innings. Hasselmon can grab some bench.

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I’ll pitch to the second three batters just for the free food.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago

You greedy fellas! I just want to pitch for the chance to be heckled by the Angry CtPG mob!

heheheh

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Id pay to see that DD

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Sorry guys but I’m not buying it. this sounds like:

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/667eff1f-2c5f-4dde-b21d-5f2f19040c54

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I have a 24 mph curve that goes from 1 to 7, backed up with a 29 mph heater.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Perry, if still here (and I hope not) will re-sign him to a team friendly deal

Last edited 6 months ago by FungoAle
2GA2Join
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I hope Perry is still here.
Unless people know of another candidate that will guaranteed do better.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Perry will return. Even if Arte surprisingly announces the sale of the team a new owner (or POBO) would not blow out existing management on Day 1.

I really doubt PTP will bring back Loup. Theres no-one in this league that would give that guy a major league deal any I really doubt the Angels would even give him a minor league deal after buying out his option.

Last edited 6 months ago by Cowboy26
FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Perry’s cooked. This year was an epic failure. Don’t care he has 1-more year on his contract.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I’ll take that bet.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If I bought the angels I’d get new management immediately, depending on when I bought the team. Today, for example. But if the sale were final in March it would be too late. I’d have to wait until Day 50

Fansince1971
Legend
6 months ago

Do you have $3 billion sitting around the house?

MarineLayer
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Why couldn’t they have found a phantom injury for him months ago.

Brent
Super Member
6 months ago

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3485581/on-this-date-in-sports-september-22-1978-death-of-angel

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of this story/incident before.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

I’lll take Angel Deaths and Misfortune for $1000 Alex.

He’s one on a Long list.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Seems like most regulars on this site have embraced the idea of an “Angel death curse”… and yeah it seems like there have been a lot of Angels who have met violent/unfortunate/unexpected ends… but is that true, or just a product of our closeness to Angels history and comparative ignorance of other franchise histories? (i.e availability/confirmation bias) The club has been around for 60 years now. Seems likely some other teams have a corpse count just as high… or maybe not! Would be cool if some plucky graduate researcher settled the matter.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

What rock you been hiding under?

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Could be he was born around that time, or later. Bostock: I played crappy, here’s my paycheck back.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Unbelievable his level of accountability.

Respect!

Brent
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I was born 7 years after this happened.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Good book to add to your reading list:Once They Were Angels (Hardcover – March 1, 2006) Robert Goldman

Last edited 6 months ago by DowningDude
Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

If you have the time I highly recommend Tom Rinaldi’s 8 part podcast “Wesley” about the life and death and aftermath of Lyman Bostock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX5LMKIB7ZY

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Could/should be made into a movie

Brent
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

It was included in that post at the bottom. I plan on it sometime this weekend.

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

You’re going to Cal City on purpose…YIKES!!

Buddy of mine has a hanger at Cal City airport.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago

I spent a month there one week over 30 years ago.

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Why are you going to California City? Really nothing but desert there. I used to ride motorcycles there in the 60s, early 70s

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Yikes, sorry for sharing ESPN link, but this is interesting too:
https://www.espn.com/espn/eticket/story?page=bostock&redirected=true

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Wow what a flood of memories. I was 17 and lived, breathed, and slept baseball. My dad cried when Clemente was killed, and I cried like a baby when Bostock died. He was such a joy to watch.

Simba
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

He was an anti-Rendon. When he wasn’t living up to his past performance, he tried to give some of his salary back. Angels wouldn’t accept it, and he donated to charity, as I recall.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

Hoping that Trouty stays &: Plays out his career with the Angels, but like all of the best laid plans – things change. He certainly has earned his wings, so if he wants to finish out his career in Philly or NY then I think he should be able to do just that. I would really like to see him finish out here, maybe in a corner OF spot or 1st base with DH’ing once or twice a week.

Ohtani would be missed by all. Angels missed the opportunity to get a return and threw the dice, still it’s not been said what he intends to do. Imho, he will never be the same pitcher he was, again imho. Having no real idea in how much he is worth on the open market, who would not want him to return. But would you pay dearly for a player to be a DH only, even for one year and then in year two see him try to return to pitching? We’ve been there done that.

Rendon(e) does not have the heart to play through injuries for a team going nowhere while collecting more in one month than I made in my lifetime, would you want to play while collecting 38 million a year? I don’t see him playing many more games in an Angels uniform, and I don’t think he wants too either.

Being released, being a Free Agent, or request a trade, any combination of these three options can and will take place in November – December or January. Going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Mike likes living in Newport Beach, playing close to where he lives, and not having any pressure to perform. He has the best of all worlds except for winning with great forgiving fans. There’s no way he goes to Philly or NY. He might be willing to go to the Dodgers if Ohtani was there as well.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Why are so many assuming Trout is going to be “playing his last game as an Angel” before the end of the season? Just because YOU hate this team, doesn’t mean he does. Stop projecting your own thoughts and feelings onto a person you know nothing about. Shocking I know, to find out he doesn’t feel exactly like you* and hate Miggy, the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, and Astros, Mean Arte, Perry, wants to punch Rendon and his beard, and is jealous of Ohtani.

*All posts from this season projecting personal biases onto Trout.

Last edited 6 months ago by Marcotor
cookmeister
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

lol chill out dude.
I’ve yet to see someone definitively say that it will be his last. But it *could* be his last

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

A little harsh, but I’m here for it.

Trout isn’t going anywhere imo.

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Trout isn’t going anywhere.

His wife likes that NB house.

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DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago

Quit taking photos from the bushes, 78!!!

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

realtor.com photographer must be a perv.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Just because he plays for another team doesn’t mean he has to sell the house. He has so much money, he could afford to buy a second home.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

or 10! 😀

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

So true, JUp just listed his Newport home this week.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago

Do you think they have a below a 3% mortgage rate on that beauty?

Fansince1971
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You don’t need a mortgage in his situation

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I worked on some custom homes in Pelican Hill. The developer had some other high end Pelican Hills homes he owned, this was at the time that Karl Malone came to play for The Lakers. He sold one of his other homes in Pelican Hill, around the corner from the 4 we were working on, with an ocean view, for just under 5 million. Karl wrote him a check!

Jayman28
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Maybe he says maybe he doesn’t, it’s all speculation unless we have a legitimate source and not: “just trust me bro”.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Stop projecting your own thoughts and feelings onto a person you know nothing about. Shocking I know, to find out he doesn’t feel exactly like you* and hate Miggy, the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, and Astros, Mean Arte, Perry, wants to punch Rendon and his beard, and is jealous of Ohtani.

You forgot the Strangers and Mariners and Jerry, we hate them, and some hate Rengafo, don’t forget about him…….remind me, why do I hate Miggy? Who is Miggy?

Free Tr-out!
Free the Projections!
Free Rengafo!

Last edited 6 months ago by Twebur
Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

You have to hate Miggy because he “stole” an MVP award from Trout  😛 

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Got it….permission then to not hate Miggy and take him off the list of hate?
And then add Seattle and the Rangers?

Last edited 6 months ago by Twebur
Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

You’d have to ask the WAR is everything crowd.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Help me out here…I’d really feel better if we could add The Seattle Mariners and Jerry, and the Texas Rangers to that list of hate.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Don’t listen to him. Listen to this guy:
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matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Or two?

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I didn’t like Miggy 1 because he was part of the Carlos Guillen game and 2 he stole 2 MVPs from Trout.

I still gave him a rousing standing ovation last Saturday night during his pre-game “sendoff”

Crcnme20
Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I don’t think people are projecting personal bias into the Trout situation, I think many are being realistic about what he might want going forward. Trout has bene here for what 11-12 years now? If he is looking at the future of the team and where it is headed I am sure he is intelligent enough to know the direction right now is not a positive one. If Trout wants to win a title before retirement he may feel that won’t happen here. So no I don’t think most have a personal bias against Trout. I believe he has been injury plagued like most of our big contract guys seem to be, but people here want the best for the guy.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Damn. You went nuclear and “troutstrikeout” didn’t even make an appearance before said explosion.

I think he “possibly” could be done as an Angel but who knows

I don’t know where the “Angels could trade trout if he’s open to a trade” news came from other than Bob Nightengale who is a wanker, so I tend to think he isn’t gonna be traded.

But if there’s any validity to that leak, he might be on his way out.

Who knows? I stand on the middle of the fence leaning toward he stays and I’m not a hater of the team; I’m usually called a Pollyanna because I go to games instead of sitting at home sulking about Moreno and bitching here.

Last edited 6 months ago by DowningDude
Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

go to games instead of sitting at home sulking about Moreno and bitching here. .??????

Go to the games? In person? And give up the comfort of my own couch wearing my reversible road and away RallyTank Thong? Yeah, right!

An fyi, I’m having a “City Connect RallyTank Thong” custom made. I asked them to make it in white…..I’m going to let it age naturally into its Creamish Yellowish color.

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

😂😂😂😂😂😁😂

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

How DARE you go to games, and watch those hitters swinging at first strikes while lining Arte’s pockets? I’m neither for/against Trout leaving either.

Like the same 4 posts in the game threads over and over, it becomes fatiguing to endlessly read that Player A obviously hates Player B because we all did. Or the hate for Vernon Wells, as if he held a gun to Arte and demanded we trade for him in desperation after missing out on Crawford.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Now hold on there, skippy.
You just GOTTA hate Vernon Wells.

The guy tweets “I’m too blessed to be stressed” while in the middle of a failing pennant race and then I screencap this on my own Television:
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Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

UNBELIEVABLE! A Player bored in a game.

SHOCKING!



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DowningDude
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6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

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DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

This guy plays for the Houston Nostril Drillers.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I get some shut eye at the games. Wake me when they trade
Tr-out.

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Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

 😅 

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

What do you think Mike wants to hear when has his higher up conversation with team ownership? Their commitment to a plan? Commitment to winning? LOL.

Nothing is changing here. Trout and the team need to separate.

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Cowboy26
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6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

wishful thinking bate de cerveza.

DowningDude
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6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

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Jayman28
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I’m pretty sure they are making predictions, not saying it’s a “for sure thing”.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Sounds like a cope

Jayman28
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Sounds about right

DowningDude
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6 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

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Eric_in_Portland
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6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I have scrolled past this so I can reply without seeing that guy

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago

Thinking more about Trout. I’m coming around to the opinion that we’ll see him for a few games during the last home stand as these are potentially his final days as an Angel.

If that’s the case, I hope he’s able to return and rake for a couple of games if it’s to be his farewell.

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Trout is a Halo for life, unless he asks out. There is no indication of that being the case from anyone or anywhere.

Highly confident Trouty finishes his contract with us.

Guest
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If he does get traded, I hope it’s to an AL West team (I know how unlikely that is) so that he can become the AL West’s all-time home run king.

Right now this is where things stand:

  1. Ken Griffey, Jr. (417)
  2. Juan Gonzalez (372)
  3. Mike Trout (368)
Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to 

Ive experienced some trauma in my life. Watching Mike Trout play in a Mariners, Rangers, Astros, or A’s uniform would undoubtedly be the traumatic event that sends me spiraling towards suicide.

(sincere apology if this joke is too dark)

Last edited 6 months ago by Pineapple12
Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

as I’ve mentioned often (too often?) I grew up in NYC and was a Mets fan *until* they traded Tom Seaver. Maybe I’m too old now to switch again but if the Angels lost Shohei and traded Trout….and yet Arte was still the owner and PTP was still GM and Nevin was still manager… yikes.

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Agree…shoot me now!!

He ain’t going nowhere.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to 

Oh dear God. Now I get why Marcotor went off

😬😬😬😬😬

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to 

<barf> on a meaningless stat.

I do hope if for whatever reason the Angels pull that trigger it’s to Boston or NY, just to watch the exploiting heads here.

toad2065
Member
6 months ago
Reply to 

You know there is no trophy for that, right? And any new “record” would only last until a future realignment. 😀  Nothing personal GG, but I get cranky over these made up BS “records”!

Fansince1971
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I’d say basically zero chance he’s playing in the last homestand. I also think there is almost no chance he will be traded bc, realistically, what would the Angels get back in return without covering at least 50% of his salary?

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Trout’s rocking a -86.6 on the Trade Simulator. It’s not a Rendonian level of suckitude, but it’s pretty bad.

Manny Machado and Jacob deGrom are each about 5/4 times as undesirable as Rendon according to the simulator. I guess it’s all relative when things are that bad.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You would take anything for Trout at this point. Shed the salary and let’s have the kids play; Ward and Joey flank Moniak in center. It might be suckitude for a while but Trout cannot stay in the line-up. So hang onto him?

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I don’t think any team in their right mind would take that entire contract on, so probably a decent portion of it will stay on the books, even if they were able to move him.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Probably a lump sum payment but the way some teams throw money around these days, Padres, Phils and Mets to name a few…I don’t think money is a determent. Other teams see Trout as a piece for a championship.

Fansince1971
Legend
6 months ago

In 24 games Schanuel has produced 0.2 WAR which means he’s playing at about a 1.5 WAR clip. The only reason it is not higher is the lack of slugging.

This is where WAR fails as a statistic in my opinion. Give me a bunch of guys with great eyes who get on base and I will show you a pesky offense that can create runs and extend innings.

I like the kid a lot. I don’t think WAR tells his story.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Agreed. The secret to good offense are guys that know the strike zone, make consistent contact, and can get hits when it counts plus make productive outs when that is needed. String a bunch of them together and you have a good offense.

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Nice post F71. Echoing my thoughts on Schanuel’s WAR perfectly

Crcnme20
Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

To me the most telling and most important stat hitting wise is OBP. If I have to choose between a guy with on OBP of .300 who hits 40 homeruns or a guy who has an OBP of .425 and hits ten homeruns I am taking the .425 OBP every time. Build a team full of players with the ability to take walks and get on base and that team will win and will win often.

Fansince1971
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Crcnme20

💯

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Crcnme20

Billy Ball.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Crcnme20

How many PA’s, stolen bases and how many doubles for each player under your scenario? If dude no. 2 doesn’t hit many doubles or steal any bases either I think I’d go with dude no. 1.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’ll take what’s behind door # 3

Guest
6 months ago

The Angels scored 14 runs in three games against the playoff-caliber pitching staff of the Tampa Bay Rays. Here is how many runs each individual Angel produced:

3.50 Drury
3.00 Neto
2.25 Adell
1.50 Walsh
1.25 Fletcher
1.25 O’Hoppe
1.00 Schanuel
0.25 Stefanic

This is the fifth time Brandon Drury has led the Angels in Actual Runs Produced. Jo Adell participated in the creation of four runs. That is something. Zach Neto led all Angels in this series, though, when he participated in the creation of six runs.

And here is the updated Actual Runs Allowed per Batters Faced:

0.00 Daniel (13)
0.05 Joyce (37)
0.09 Bachman (77)
0.10 Silseth (205)
0.11 Canning (511)
0.11 Estevez (271)
0.11 Soriano (178)
0.12 Sandoval (637)
0.12 Detmers (615)
0.13 Anderson (629)
0.13 Wantz (140)
0.15 Loup (231)
0.15 Herget (113)
0.16 Devenski (140)
0.17 Barria (349)
0.17 Marte (34)
0.18 Suarez (135)
0.18 Reyes (49)
0.18 Mederos (17)
0.19 Ingram (25)
0.22 Rosenberg (108)
0.23 Diaz (30)

By dropping his ARA/BF down to 0.05, Ben Joyce is officially an elite pitcher in the MLB (although his batters faced denominator is small). This designation certainly passes the eye test. Joyce’s stuff looks as electric as 2002 KRod’s was. It’s a shame that the Angels aren’t going to be in the playoffs so everyone can see how awesome this kid is.

Jose Soriano had a horrific week about three weeks ago, but it is wonderful to see that he was able to put that behind him and regain his effectiveness. Resilient.

Carlos Estevez has had the highest workload of any of the Angel relievers. Has this been the reason for his second half slip into mediocrity? Has Nevin been overusing him?

I’m wondering if we are going to see Daniel, Bachman, Silseth, or Devenski pitch for the Angels anymore this year.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to 

I thought they released Devenski ???

Guest
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yes, you’re right. I just looked it up. I missed that bit of news when it happened. I can take him off of my list now. Thanks, BiLA!

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to 

I think we’ll see Silseth against Oakland, but Bachman appears to be done for the year IMO.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

“He’s dead”
“Well then cross him off the list!!!”

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to 

Daniel is starting tonight. I find I root just a little bit more for the guys Jeff has interviewed

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago

Major League pitching staffs will find a hole in Schanuel’s swing…and they will find it.

Only then will we know if he really belongs in the Major Leagues…the jury is still out.

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago

Best of luck to those pitching staffs. Nolan is our OBP 👑 for the remainder of the decade.

Crcnme20
Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Year one tends to go to the hitter, no one knows the weaknesses or where the hitter struggles. The tape on the guy doesn’t exist. Year two is the big year. Have a great year two and we have a ton to look forward to.

angelslogic
Super Member
6 months ago

You can’t find a “hole” in the swing of a guy that doesn’t swing. His plate discipline is incredible. As long as he maintains that trait he will be successful.

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago

Anybody that does not think all young hitters wont go through

what every young hitter goes through is living in a fantasy world.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

Schanuel’s has absolutely surprised me to no end here at the start of his career. I truly believed he would have been over matched next year to start his career, but he started this year and has shown he knows what he is doing up at the plate.

Time to eat Crow for this Grandpa, pass the mustard, it will look good on my face.  😛 

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago

He has to be seen as the 1B entering camp. Walsh as possible competition (if we stick with him). Drury can also slide over in a pinch.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago

Moose is a potential backup at 1B / 3B as well.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Only if we bring him back. He is not under contract (as far as I can see).

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago

He’s the classic 1YR/$10M “clubhouse cheerleader” contract.

He’ll sign and play one game and be done.

See also: Fowler, Dexter

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Really hoping the spectre of the tank means we avoid signing a 35 year old part-time back up corner IF coming off a sub-par (86 OPS+) offensive year to a contract at 10 times what he made last year.

But, I wouldn’t put it past them. They do love their vets.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago

They do love their BILLBOARDS!!!!
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Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago

Walsh wont be worth the Arb number. he wont be back with the Angels.

Crcnme20
Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I really hoped that Walsh could break through again. The medical issues he has dealt with cannot be easy. I hope the best for the guy but I agree, we probably wont be seeing him next season.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If all he is offered in a Minor League contract by the other 29 teams, Angels can do same with a ST invite and he may return that way. Not a bad choice for
a Utility job as he plays !b, LF, RF, DH., but we’ll see.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Very rare does the non tendered player come back on a minor league to his original team.

He’ll end up somewhere . it just wont be with us.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

Those darn Cardinals, but hey, our “get your red on Angels” couldn’t be stopped last night, love having something to root for, now let’s get those Redbirds!!!

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Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago

In the last 3 seasons, Anthony Rendone has played in 148/486 games (30.5%).

1.1 WAR produced
$105 million “earned”

Fansince1971
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That does not even fully describe how bad he has been.

MarineLayer
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Don’t forget his dreadful defense, and his toxic presence in the dugout.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

And I heard he has really bad foot odor.

max
Trusted Member
max
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

and gingivitus

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

So you’re saying he’s actual produced something that can be measured?

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DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

In the last 3 seasons, Mike Trout has played in 237/486 games (48.8%).
10.9 WAR produced
$111 million earned

Interesting.

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

injuries robbed us of the latter part of Trout’s prime 😭😭😭

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

funny though that 10WAR across three seasons could be seen as incredibly awesome production. Yet, it’s a total disappointment given what we know Trout can do.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Well, that is about Matt Chapman’s performance over the past three seasons (4.1, 4.2, 3.2) and he hasn’t been hurt at all.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Assuming that Trout is here next season, I maintain that it’s in everyone’s best interest to make him the full-time DH / 4th outfielder.

Just focus on the art of hitting…..not to mention the art of holistic health – yoga, acupuncture, DMT; etc etc etc

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Trouty reallyyyyy hates DHing tho.

Starting in CF for your 2024-2027 Los Angeles Angels, Miiiiiiiiike Troooooouuut

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Trout is now 32 going on 33 and can’t stay healthy. It shouldn’t take a sales guru to sell him on the idea of embracing the DH role. In fact, I’d wager he’s open to the idea at this stage.

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

You are spitting facts. Will the greatest of his generation see it at that way?

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Hopefully. It should be an easy sell, frankly.

“Look Mike, we need your bat in the lineup for 140+ games and we think it’s better for you and the team in the big picture to focus on DH and minimize the risk of injury by reducing your every day fielding responsibilities.”

Last edited 6 months ago by BannedInLA
BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yup. Make him a DH – 4th OF.

Assuming he’s here next season of course.

MarineLayer
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

This year’s apparent season-ending injury came while hitting.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

You’re missing the point. Trout playing in the OF increases his chances of soft tissue injury – calf, hamstring, etc.

Anything that can be done to reduce the probability of injury should be pursued.

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Guest
6 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Have all of his injuries come while playing offense? The hamate, the calf, and the thumb are the Trout injuries that come to mind, and those all came while he was playing offense.

The Angel players definitely do not stretch enough. Ichiro stretched in right field in between every pitch, and he also stretched in the dugout when his team was batting. He never pulled a muscle.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to 

One cannot use Ichiro as a model for anyone. He was one of a kind.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He hasn’t gotten hurt in the field though, has he? If he did, then I can see this, but there are players that feed off playing defense. Sure, move him to the corners if you think he lost enough steps, but otherwise let him field as long as he wants to.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago

And other players are “fed” by Hecklers …
https://youtu.be/kxvtYHIVqJ4?si=amO1dBSaiG8jIywy

Crcnme20
Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s crazy, that looks bad but I still feel like it doesn’t capture the entire picture of how truly horrific his contract has been for us. The guy has been nothing but a detriment to the Angels organization.

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Vernon Wells
2011 -2014 – 208/486 games (42.8%) or 208 of 322 while an Angel (64.5%)
1.4 WAR produced
$87 million “earned”

At least Rendon isn’t on the field producing crap value; he at least allows us to open up a roster spot 70% of the time, while Wells allowed us only 35% open roster spots.

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

But we did get to see the beauty of his infield pop flys on a nightly basis!

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago

We are moving from Sho Time to Jo Time.

Start the clock, because the Adell Era has begun 🕑

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Adell = 0.5 WAR in 8 games
Rendone = 0.1 WAR in 43 games

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If he maintains this 10.25 WAR/162 pace, I’m totally on board! Woo hoo!

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

His helmet can’t be falling off his head before contact on a HR. Style points will be important going forward. Unfortunately it’s a requirement when your team goes 69-93.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

They call it…swag

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think Adell has 30-40 HR potential based on playing 140+ games, but the question boils down to batting average.

Does he hit this many jacks whilst batting .210 or somewhere around .250 ????

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Certainly has the power and we could have used a trial run the second half had he not gotten hurt, Agree, boils down to batting average, whiff rates and run prevention.

Does not appear to be a cerebral player, cutting down on his strike zone with 2 strikes or advancing the runners when needed.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yup. Hopefully he’a closer to 150 k’s versus 200 k’s.

I think he defense will end up being adequate when it’s all said & done.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He will have a difficult time getting rid of his reputation as an “outfield defensive butcher”. He has a chance to become “league average” defensively or better. He will have equal parts great plays / bad plays.

I’ll take close to .250 under 150 K’s 20 HR 60 RBI

I’m a member of the Jo Adell appreciation Society. Go Jo!

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I think he easily reaches 20 HR / 60 RBI – the question boils down to strike out & batting average…..

It seems like he’s been around forever, but he’s still only 24. Incredible.

MarineLayer
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I listen to him being interviewed and I believe he cares and is teachable. Hopefully a new staff next year will be able to help him.

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Adell has been having consistently impressive ABs since returning from the oblique injury (smallest of sample sizes). His defense has been spectacular at the major league level this season as well.

.250 / .320 / .500, 30% K rate, plus defense/speed seems like a possible outcome.

Last edited 6 months ago by Pineapple12
BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think those numbers are his ceiling and if he reaches them, the club should be ECSTATIC.

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago

Tank Baby Tank!!!

MIN clinch division.

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago

Why does Johnathan Mayo have us picking 13th, and then picking a “toolsy outfielder” ? I think he is taking a jab at The Angels, basically saying “Yes, they need pitching, it they draft like idiots, so they will take yet another outfielder “.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

They should take best player available from here on out. No more FASTEST GUY WE NEED ASAP stuff with Ohtani urgency gone.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Copy that.

Perry has drafted need. I’m sure Schanuel was selected due to the fact he could play 1st and Neto for SS. Two immediate sore spots and Perry felt pressure to win with Ohtani and Trout. I think Perry did do the FASTEST GUY WE NEED ASAP stuff.

Taking a step back, Angels could use a strong bat that can make consistent contact, OF and 3rd are holes. Guys like Ward, Adell and Moniak are not locks to succeed and the minors are extremely thin in the OF department. A dominant pitcher (w/no reliever risk) is always welcomed.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Just go BPA regardless of position and spend our FA dollars on pitching, IMO.

Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I agree Neto and Schanuel were drafted based off need.

Fortunately, Perry cooked and both players look like studs.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

So you’re saying that on July 9th, 2023 Perry took Schanuel out of college with the primary intentions of starting him at first base in the big leagues before the end of the year?

NFW

Last edited 6 months ago by Cowboy26
matthiasstephan
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Not for this year (there were other options that all fell injured), but soon and to take 1B out of the long-term thinking and show we had that position covered.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago

100%…taking a guy with one of the better college bats that could hit the majors quickly. Look at Minasian’s minor league conveyer belt history. Bachman was not ready but he came up. Silseth was the first guy from 2021 draft to the majors. Neto to the majors in less that 1-year. What other club does this? This is Perry’s MO.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

YFW

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Doubling down on that? you Must still be in beer coma today, FA

Last edited 6 months ago by Cowboy26
Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That was BT……Before Tanking.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

but, but he’s “toolsy”! If he is “toolsy” with “gritiness”, that’s even better.

Personally, I believe it’s time to scout and draft based on: a) the players nickname, and b) the talent of the date he took to the high school prom.

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Pineapple12
Super Member
6 months ago

“he skipped HS prom, stating he would rather hit baseballs in the cage than hit on girls. The grit is off the charts with this player and he will fit in great with the Angels’ culture”

Last edited 6 months ago by Pineapple12
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

This is real, fearless, manly grit. It takes brawn and guts to bring this herd home…..

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DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago

I thought for a split second this was the Jack in the Box Mini Sirloin Burgers commercial … looking more closely, this is an amazing GIF!

Someone actually SUCCEEDED at herding cats!

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

But thats because he lacks confidence.

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I keep seeing “toolsy” and can’t help but think of good ole Halowood, one old martyr of Halos Heaven lore.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

When I think of “Toolsey” when it comes to the Angels and the draft…it’s this.

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DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

can they pitch! I bet those guys could throw 200 innings in one game! we’ve all evolved into a bunch of wusses.

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

In 1974 Nolan Ryan threw 235 pitches, in ONE game, for The Angels, to beat the Red Sox. Today a pitcher gets pulled at 90 pitches through 4 1/3 innings. Where are my early 70s strength and conditioning trainers at???

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Guys like Ryan & Roger Clemens pretty much pumped fast balls all game if my memory is correct.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Well Clemens was also pumping the anabolic steroids.

Twebur
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

“Mr. Clemens didn’t take H.G.H., those were B-12 shots.
I think you are misremembering CB26”

-Albert Pujols

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Guest
6 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Ryan had a good curve ball.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to 

And a mean right uppercut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm9ROhg_FkQ

max
Trusted Member
max
6 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I got there (HH) just as the whole Halowood thing was winding down, so I don’t really know much. I have seen his posts on another site. He’s very pro on prospects

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

It is so early to project. Seems like every year the consensus no. 1 heading into next season falls in the draft. Dollander, etc.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

So now that the Dollander fell so much what’s the Fed going to do about it?

Guest
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I laughed out loud when I read this.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf
  1. because that article is from July
  2. because that toolsy outfielder is pretty darn good
  3. because you take BPA in MLB drafts
toad2065
Member
6 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

If you are smart, you do! 👍