LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Bulk Guys

Oh great! It looks like it might be a slow day for news. All the stories I am finding are the ones I linked yesterday or else “What If?” articles. The latter are what everybody writes when they don’t have any actual news to write about.

The Angels clock in at number 20 on Fangraphs power rankings with a 0.0% chance at the playoffs. They fared slightly better on the MLB Power Rankings. I think the Angels are unwitting pioneers of the “bulk guys” strategy, although San Francisco is supposedly doing it on purpose.

OK. Holy Moly! Elly De La Cruz gunned down Corbin Carroll of the D-Backs at home plate with a 99.7 MPH throw. It had some late movement, but in a good way. The Orioles lost closer Felix Bautista to a UCL injury. Yu Darvish went on the 15 Day IL with right elbow inflammation. Matt Chapman is officially on the Ten Day IL with a sprained middle finger. Ozzie Albies of the Braves is back off the IL. There’s nothing wrong with Nathan Eovaldi’s arm. It’s his side now.

A couple of women were wounded by gunshots on Friday that apparently originated from inside Guaranteed Rate Field. Stay on your toes in Chicago.

An umpire got himself ejected from a game. It looks like it was in the Dominican Republic. This one was a little more heated than the one where the umpire got ejected for being drunk.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Fleckstein
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7 months ago

The umpire ejection was far closer to home—well, at least my home, in upstate NY, in the Frontier League

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago

Dipping beneath the tax would allow the Angels to recoup a second-round draft pick as compensation if Shohei Ohtani leaves as a free agent, rather than a fourth-round selection. 

Last edited 7 months ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Ok, you know what actually is the most mind-blowing thing about the Angels?

The White Sox organization was so bad this year that they had to fire their GM and VP of Ops after the lineup they constructed couldn’t score despite Luis Castillo throwing 47 straight fastballs against them.

And those jobless idiots absolutely FLEECED the Angels on the Gio/Lopez trade. We are that much more inept than other inept teams. It is truly a spectacle to behold.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago

Of course I’m not happy with how things have gone with this team.
However, given where we are right now, I’m actually happy with this move today, it is actually taking realistic stock of where we are as of today (finally!), and doing the only thing left to do that could possibly help for the future.
As ridiculous as it is.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

No one is going to convince me that going all-in at the trade deadline was the right move to make, even at the time. All the arguing about “oh well that prospect was just #7 so he probably sucks, etc etc)” doesn’t cover it.

If we would have surrendered this season for the future at the trade deadline, it would have done this:

  1. We keep all those prospects
  2. We get whatever we get for Ohtani
  3. We obviously trade away other short term assets, so we also get whatever we get for players like Moore, maybe Esty, etc.

That is a dramatic swing.
And like I said before, it isn’t fair just to say that someday our #7 might not ever pan out. Our #7 has value if we trade him while he is still in the minors and our trade partner values him enough to give us something. Maybe then he won’t pan out for that other team, who knows. The point is that those prospects that people tend to dismiss have value if we bundle them together and make a trade for them later… hopefully for a better purpose, like a long-term piece. Like we did with Simba.

fishfarm
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7 months ago

Fuck Arte.

The Angels are dead.

Long live the Angels.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago
Reply to  fishfarm

They were dead before this happened.

Long live the tank!!!

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago

So does Renfroe know hes been waived?

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Got until Aug 31st to see if we can shed some carcasses for any kind of return. Even a six-pack of Yoohoo.

Simba
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7 months ago

Hah – so much for the slow news day.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago

The Angels picked players that contending teams would have interest in. These are players that have financial commitments remaining that are above the league minimum salaries. this is why Loup, Escobar, Mous and Cron weren’t included. Clearly the Angels are hoping to get back below the CBT $233 Million this year so Arte isn’t a repeat offender when he goes over next year when he attempts to re-sign Ohtani.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago

In case you are interested, folks, today’s game thread is on.  😉 

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

What game?

Oh that game…. 😀

bobblanton
Trusted Member
7 months ago

How are they still in the batting order

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

The waiver is for Thursday on.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Ok just making sure. But that is what I read also

bobblanton
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7 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Renfro and Grichuk go 5-5 tonight with 10 homeruns and 40 RBIs tradition

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

They will be motivated to play well so they can get off this dumpster fire of a team

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It will clearly test the mental fortitude of the remaining players.

Eric_in_Portland
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7 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

that will have to be revised.

DowningDude
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7 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

lol

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago

For those of you who say that the Angels did not give up much at the trade deadline to obtain players consider the following. They traded

#3 prospect (Quero)
#5 prospect (Bush)
#7 prospect (Madden)
#9 prospect (Jackson)
#17 prospect (Crow)
#18 prospect (Albright)
#20 prospect (Marceaux)

So they traded 7 of their top-20 prospects for players who they put on waivers less than one month later. Consider that and then consider if they kept these guys and got 3 top prospects for Ohtani. This is not an Organization that could afford to trade away that many players in the first place – much less for three weeks of subpar performances.

Its fucking (my one per month) ridiculous and absolutely indicts this ridiculous Organization.

Last edited 7 months ago by Fansince1971
Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That just shows how suck ass our prospects are. 7 through 20 probably wouldn’t be in most MLB teams top 20 list.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I disagree re Quero, Bush, Madden and Jackson. At least two of those guys will become contributing major leaguers and Quero has the chance to be an All-Star level catcher.

But I agree with your 10-20 analysis.

Last edited 7 months ago by Fansince1971
Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Quero & Bush are not 7 through 20 so how are we disagreeing about that?

Madden is a 21 year old in Low A with a 5.88 ERA and 1.64 WHIP averaging 5.6 walks per 9 who has gotten worse since the trade ( how is that even possible?)

JJ has been struggling now at AA too. point that I doubt the Angels were even going to protect him n the Rule 5 draft this off season.

Surely we should have much better prospects in our organization even at our Arizona & Dominican rookie leagues.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Respect the perspective but it’s unlikely any of these prospects turn into multi-season above average starters.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Renfro and Grichuk are still playing tonight lol

Erstad with the catch
Member
7 months ago

I can’t imagine the league is happy with Arte this afternoon. A move like this calls the integrity of the game into question. Especially with how betting is now a common part of the game.

It wouldn’t surprise me if other owners put pressure on Arte to sell this winter.

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago

Please oh please oh please

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Didn’t Arte vote against Manfred being the Commish years ago? I’m sure the gapped toothed one wouldn’t mind sending Arte away.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago

You’re going to rip a muscle reaching that far.

Claret
Trusted Member
7 months ago

It’s pretty clear that the intention behind the waivers spree is to dump enough salary to get the Angels under the luxury tax threshold.

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Can’t and don’t blame him.

Shohei Now
Trusted Member
7 months ago

I knew that Son of a bitch wouldn’t stay above the luxury tax once we fell out of contention.

My friends, this man is selling the team. He’s been instructed to lower the payroll as much as possible. He may even have a buyer ready to go once the season ends. I truly believe this.

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Shohei Now

From your post to reality. Please oh please oh please!!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Shohei Now

Do you really think a few million dollars makes a difference in what would be a multi-billion dollar deal?

Last edited 7 months ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Shohei Now

lets hope and especially if its Bob Meyers. We would be legit right away

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago

Well at least we’d make more three pointers.

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 months ago

From contender to pretender in less than a month.

bobblanton
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

25% of there roster

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

But only 0.09% of the positive production

fyasko51
Trusted Member
7 months ago

I remember some years ago, everyone was saying wait until Hamilton is off the books, wait until Pujols is off the books, wait until so so is off the books. Man, the future looks worst than last year. Just too many holes, they wont rebuild with Trout and Rendon contracts. I remember my first Angel game in 92, just my dad and I. I had my first cracker jack box at the game. We sat in center field back when it was it still a cookie cutter stadium. The only thing that keeps me being an Angel fan is those moments of happiness.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Is someone putting Arte on waivers?? I realize he wants to avoid the luxury tax but how does this look to all players etc.

smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago

Arte will save 7M if all five players are claimed.

If he really wanted to save the most money, he would have told Perry to put Shohei on waivers. But he’s too scaredy cat to do that.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

He didn’t want A’s to claim Sho. The Angels still have 6 against the A’s in September and October.  😆