Angels Acquire Randall Grichuk and CJ Cron – Crashing the Pearly Gates

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1 month ago

The one thing I have noticed with the acquisitions of these two, is that our line up is now very bottom heavy in the since that most of these guys hit best when they are at the bottom of the line up. But so do some of our other players who are in the starting line up. I am not heavy into statistics of the game but it would seem that the line up needs a reshuffling just to maximize everyone’s strength.

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ihearhowie3.0

1 month ago

I get the move for this year. They already jumped in with both feet, doing a 180 would make no sense and be worse, arguably.

But if Ohtani leaves they really have to commit pretty decisively to a tear down rebuild. Neto/O’Hoppe/Trout stick around and everyone else is available. Use available payroll space to absorb some bad contracts with a minor leaguer attached like the Mets are right now. Sign some veteran relievers with upside you can flip at trade deadlines. That’s the only way to speed it up – use money.

I just don’t see Arte spending heavy on a team he knows is bad though. Hopefully he sells.

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matthiasstephan

1 month ago

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You keep Moniak too – plus any of the cheap controlled starters (Detmers, Sandoval, Canning, Silseth) and bullpen pieces like Joyce, Quijada.

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55yearsangelsfan

1 month ago

If we weren’t down six infielders (Rendon, Neto, Drury, Walsh, Urshela, Fletcher), and our two best outfielders, along with Adell, this trade would not have been ideal. But without all those players, we desperately needed major league replacements. The bottom of our line up has been minor leaguers lately. We didn’t give up that much. Great trade!

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Angelstan

1 month ago

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As you noted, if they wanted to compete at all, they had to make a move to get MLB quality guys back in the lineup. Without the trade, you would be looking at the same thing we have been watching in prior years. Minor leaguers and over-the-hill waiver wire guys starting at multiple spots. That doesn’t work. Neither Cron nor Grichek are awesome. But neither were Moose, Drury, Urshela etc. You saw the difference when the lineup featured 8-9 real MLB guys who could hit versus what it looked like when the other team pitches around guys because Squid or minor league guys are coming up. At least the trade makes the rest of this year hopefully fun. The alternative is becoming the West Coast Pirates with every season done by July and fans watching for prospects to come up and change things in 2-3 years — which then doesn’t happen either.

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max

1 month ago

4 back of the last WC, but only 5 back in the West. Seems doable for a generic team to be considered a contender. I think the Halos will need to at least finish 2nd in the West to make the playoffs. 3 WCs between Hou, NY, Sea, LA, Tor and Bos. Not gonna be easy to get that final WC if we finish 3rd in the west since 2 WCs will most likely come out of the East. Good on the Platypus for adressing needs Captain Obv. out.

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KPAngel

1 month ago

Reply to max

BTW…your CA logo has always been my favorite

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Cowboy26

1 month ago

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Is this Richard Brown?

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Rallymanatee

1 month ago

If anyone wants to know a quick trick for quelling any excitement you might have built up from these trades, just go look at our remaining schedule. Only 4 series against losing teams.

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DowningDude

1 month ago

Reply to Rallymanatee

We can also just read some of the posts from Team Doom

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Reply to Rallymanatee

But more games at home vs road

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Angels22

1 month ago

Reply to Rallymanatee

If the Angels can compete and win, then at least they will be ready for playoff baseball. If we beat up over sub 500 teams and made the playoffs, the team would be worse off.

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BannedInLA

1 month ago

The Grichuk acquisition is pitch
perfect: Experienced veteran that can play all three OF positions and has been red hot this month. He fills an immediate need and at worst, he’s an ideal 4th OF once Trout & Adell return – though I suspect he’ll contribute more than Adell.

Cron will platoon at 1B and could see significant AB’s while allowing Moose to play more third or when he needs a breather.

Solid acquisitions for a team that is doing everything possible to get to the postseason.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

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I think Cron should start and Moose to 3rd. Let them roll the rest of the way.

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BannedInLA

1 month ago

Reply to FungoAle

I think that’s the way it’ll go and Rengifo backs up 2B, 3B, SS and OF corners.

Escobar’s playing time figures to shrink from this point forward, but we’ll see.

When Trout is back, we’ll have a nice rotation + positional flexibility in the OF with Moniak & Grichuk being able to handle all 3 positions.

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Fansince1971

1 month ago

CJ Tron walking to the plate

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DowningDude

1 month ago

Reply to Fansince1971

I used to be a boss at Intellivision’s Tron Deadly Discs game.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to DowningDude

That’s cool. I played that game as a kid. Then me and my friends played it at school with real frisbees.

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clover_black

1 month ago

so this doesn’t happen w/o ward gettin injured?

Man. Perry dealing like his job is on the line.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to clover_black

I can see the Cron part happening either way but the Grichuk move had to be due to Ward’s injury.

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BannedInLA

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I’d like this pickup
even if Ward wasn’t out because guys like Moniak & Renfroe are playing EVERY day. He’s a solid contributor during the dog days.

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JackFrost

1 month ago

Reply to clover_black

That’s because it is !!

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FungoAle

1 month ago

The outcome did not affect the Angels march towards the pennant but digging the Reds kicking the shit out of Dodgers today. Matt McClain looks like a good one, Angels passed over him for slinging Sammy.

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HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

1 month ago

Meanwhile

https://twitter.com/trashpandas/status/1685808762555080704?s=46&t=9okrAC405BGuMUJ9RAKfkg

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angelslogic

1 month ago

Reply to HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

Nice start!

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Reply to HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

Cron better produce before Schanuel takes his spot lol

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HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Do you have any doubt Perry would pull the trigger ?

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Reply to HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

Nope, not at all!

Perry has been nails on his moves since the off-season, and I fully expect Cron to be another hit.

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LanaBanana

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I always liked Cron.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Reply to LanaBanana

I as well, I’d just put him at first the rest of the way.

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Angels22

1 month ago

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Me too. Cron is like Napoli to me. Always liked Napoli. After he left our team, he destroyed us.

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HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Escobar has been the only thing I haven’t liked and ghosting Fletch

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Reply to HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

Glass half full ?
I don’t think Escobar can be any worse

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Mustang6944

1 month ago

Reply to Pineapple12

could make him more effective. Use him strictly vs left handed pitchers

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Rallymanatee

1 month ago

Reply to HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

ShamWow!

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matthiasstephan

1 month ago

Reply to HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

The acquisition of Cron means that we can let Schanuel have a shot at developing in the minors and not being thrown in over his head. Less pressured development is always better (see Adell).

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1 month ago

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Biggiswrth

1 month ago

Perry is all about keeping the floor of the team moving upwards. Like all the Gm’s say at this time of the year, if we have a chance to make our ballclub better we will do it. Yes we gave away assets, but our team needed help with the injury to Ward and others who still aren’t 100% yet.
This also gives Trout a bit more time if he needs it.
This is going to be one hell of a DOG Days of Aug!!
5 back of the division, go get it Halos!

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Shohei Now

1 month ago

Reply to Biggiswrth

If we get Trout and O’Hoppe back in Mid-August, I think we might have a big September.

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steelgolf

1 month ago

Reply to Shohei Now

Still need Neto back too.

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BannedInLA

1 month ago

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We do, but I’m guessing an IL stint is almost inevitable with Neto at this point.

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JackFrost

1 month ago

Reply to Shohei Now

I guess you have to hope we’re not 5-6 games back of the division and WC by the time September rolls around …To have a chance I think we have to be within 2-3 games of a playoff spot on September 1st..

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Angels22

1 month ago

Wow. Perry is probably done now.

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

Reply to Angels22

I expect one more pitcher

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Shohei Now

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

I think so too. I still think they might surprise and trade a surplus starter.

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Angels22

1 month ago

Reply to Shohei Now

Hader and Tatis Jr (Padres free up salary) for Bachman, Joyce, and Rengifo

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

Reply to Angels22

isn’t Tatis Jr one drug test away from being banned?

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Angels22

1 month ago

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Probably lol

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Reply to Angels22

I would not touch the primadonna Tatis. Don’t do the Padres a favor by taking him.

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Angels22

1 month ago

Reply to FungoAle

Angels are best at doing that

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Cowboy26

1 month ago

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No way Cheap Arte takes on that Tatis contract

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BannedInLA

1 month ago

Reply to Shohei Now

I could see a SS as well….

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Angels22

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

Starter or reliver?

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

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I think a reliever

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Angels22

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

How do we acquire Hader?

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Kiyotchan

1 month ago

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Hader would be awesome, but at 33% playoff chance by FanGraphs, I believe Padres are going for it with their current roster with an exception of one IF to replace Ha Seong Kim, who is likely to be on IL.

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Angels22

1 month ago

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Padres need to raise the white flag like the Mets lol

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Turk's Teeth

1 month ago

Ky Bush
Coleman Crow
Jake Madden
Landon Marceaux
Mason Albright
Connor Von Scoyoc
Janson Junk
Adam Seminaris

No drafted pitchers until the 5th round this year. Suarez, Rodriguez and Daniel on the IL (along with Bachman and Joyce).

There’s a unique philosophy about starting pitching in here somewhere, alongside an incredible optimism for the durability over the next two months of the team’s current rotation.

Eppler dealt from the Angels (very weak) pitching pipeline often, but outside of Edgar Quero, Minasian does so almost exclusively.

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

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{For now} we still have

Silseth
Bachman
Erla
Mederos
Kochanowicz
Dana
Marcheco

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Turk's Teeth

1 month ago

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Bachman’s not a starting pitcher, and there are many doubts (not least from the Angels themselves) that Silseth will remain one.

I don’t view Erla and Mederos as starting pitching prospects of note. Erla’s been injured for a month, and Mederos’ future, if he has one, is almost certainly as a middle reliever.

I have to see Marcheco perform at AA before I believe his current performance – undersized righties with 91mph avg fastballs tend to get exposed at higher levels.

The only legit SP prospects I see on that list are Kochanowicz and Dana, and their success is recent, and they’ll need a couple more years of refinement to throw them into competitive MLB action.

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

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Thanks for insight TT !

It would be nice if Silseth could stick as a starter, especially if Bachman can’t.

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Turk's Teeth

1 month ago

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It’s possible – I’d like to see him with a longer leash.

But even when he has a run of success, the FO seems to want to entrust the ball to anyone – Anderson, Canning, even Barria – but him, given the opportunity. The FB velocity is down year over year, and its command is inconsistent – I think they don’t like hitters getting second and third looks at it.

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BannedInLA

1 month ago

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If Bachman turns into a dominant reliever, we should be pleased IMO.

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Turk's Teeth

1 month ago

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To each their own, but I think most teams are looking for more value from a top ten draft selection than a set-up man. That’s what you hope, say, a 5th-10th rounder, or late-round flyer, becomes.

Guys like Ty Madden and Gavin Williams were on the board when they took Bachman. Either of them, even Jordan Wicks and Michael McGreevy, look more likely to become rotation regulars than Bachman. (Not to mention high ceiling position players like Brady House or strong college performers like Sal Frelick and Matt McLain.)

Folks that follow the draft here will remember that I found it an odd, fairly risky, selection at the time. Not unjustifiable, but there were many names on my board above Bachman.

Bachman’s ceiling seems to be high leverage reliever at this point, but his delivery and health suggest he could be an only intermittently successful one, like Jordan Walden or Cam Bedrosian.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

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I think Bachman could be the next man sent packing. Dead right, he is a reliever like we all thought on draft day. Or most of us.

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Kiyotchan

1 month ago

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There are at least 2 articles I read recently that three teams (Rangers, Astros, and Blue Jays) have used or at least have been considering 6 man rotation. Angels use of 6 man rotation is accidental, but they may have now accepted that is the key to keep starting pitchers healthy. Due to restrictions, I will leave link just for Rangers.

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/rangers/2023/06/10/rangers-considering-using-sixth-starting-pitcher-to-give-rotation-extra-rest-again/

This may be due to global warming, but the 40+ year history of 6 man rotation in humid Japan may have changed some of the old thinkings in MLB.

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Turk's Teeth

1 month ago

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I’d say the age of the Rangers rotation makes the 6-man model wise.

Ohtani-Detmers-Giolito–Sandoval-Canning-Anderson

It’s hard not to see 2-3 of those having issues down the stretch, and their current substitutes are Barria, Silseth, then… Rosenberg? Diaz? Valdez?

It’s one of the most stepwise drop-offs in viability imaginable – like worse than Oakland.

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Kiyotchan

1 month ago

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Sandoval and Detmers worry me the most. Both of them seem always edgy, one mistake away from going bonkers in any inning. They could probably benefit the most from sports psychologist. If I were to choose one to be dropped from starting rotation (conversion to 5 man rotation late August), it will be one of them. Surprisingly, Anderson and Canning in my opinion appear to be able ‘to turn the page’ as needed during the game. I am not worried about them.

If Sho can replicate what he had done as pitcher last season, he will do well for the remainder of the season. But, I think that his bat will suffer significantly with many IBBs that he will face until we have at least 2 reliable protection batters behind him.

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matthiasstephan

1 month ago

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Paging Dr Fieldstone …

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Canning has already pitched more innings than he has the last three years combined. Or he’s very close to doing so.

That doesn’t bode well.

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ryanfea

1 month ago

Minasian operating like he knows he’s getting fired if we don’t make the postseason. Our farm system has a few interesting position players left but otherwise we’re pretty much wiped clean.

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jco

1 month ago

It means the Angels now have 9 players they drafted in the first round on the 40 man roster (5 are on the IL). That may be the most in baseball, but I’m too GA to check.

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Pineapple12

1 month ago

Perry is preparing us for WAR.

Angels vs. everybody

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Biggiswrth

1 month ago

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Can we move to the AL Cental for just this season?