LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Found A Job

Ryan Tepera just found a job with the St. Louis Cardinals. He apparently gets the roster spot of Genesis Cabrera, who was recently designated for assignment.

Arte Moreno is reportedly unwilling to trade Shohei Ohtani to the Dodgers. The Padres say they are unlikely to bid for Ohtani. The Rays apparently will at least check in. Obviously, he will not come cheap. The Angels farm system ranking just plummeted, at least according to Bleacher Report. Cheer up. The Astros came in at number 30.

Mike Trout made a wish come true for seven year old Eli Velasquez.

Chris Devenski is now on the injured list. Gerardo Reyes and Jimmy Herget were called up and Zack Weiss was optioned down. So far the Angels signed seven of their draft picks.

There’s just no telling when Josh Donaldson will be back from the injured list. Aaron Judge says he is getting better but they won’t say when he will be back either. Shane Bieber is getting an MRI on his “irritable” forearm.

A tree attacked Jeff Passan. He suffered a broken back.

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2GA2Join
Super Member
9 months ago

Groovy, we signed all 19 of our draft picks.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
9 months ago

I enjoy that Ohtani supposedly wants to win here. And I hope the Angels win tonight. Of note though, the Dodgers have lost their ace, Kershaw is hurt, and their young stud phenom (May) is really hurt. They also have had injuries to Treinen and other bullpen arms. And they lost their closer a year ago. They are still winning. Angels? Not so much. Every injury is a major issue. It’s a shame.

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

That’s because the injuries aren’t the problem. The piss poor game management and complete lack of player development is the problem.

The dodgers have both of those things. We have neither.

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Organizational hitting philosophy is to work the count and they use swing data so each player knows their hot zones and exactly why they are working the count and which zones they can do damage in. This is emphasized at every level.

It’s how they rehabbed Taylor .. Muncy.. Turner and now Heyward. Meanwhile Thames and Phil are like a derr a derrr derrrrr swing at the first pitch ya see!

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago

Their ability to coach and develop pitchers is even better.

The seasons that Heaney and Anderson had there are crazy.

SC_Halo
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Something in the water up there

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to 

Translation: I cant stand losing here anymore especially with our inept managers baffling decisions.

tanana40
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to 

I think that Ohtani wants to win now and in Anaheim. He plays his heart out and to win as we all know. That does not mean that he necessarily wants to stay here and he is going to re-sign with the Angels. Whoever he plays for he will want to win. I think this is a typically bad headline meaned to attract readers, etc.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Exactly. The only thing Nevin said was Sho wants to win as Angel. Sho has said the same thing. Nothing about trade, nothing about next season. I did not hear that Sho wants to stay. And Nevin did not use the word, ‘stay’. This article is just a click bait. Move on, nothing to see here.

2GA2Join
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

I agree, that the context is probably just for this season.

With respect to Ohtani, I doubt that his interests totally align with ours right now.
He would be happy if Perry went all in and traded our entire farm system for a shot to make the postseason right now.
If we make it, then yay. If we don’t, then Ohtani walks out the door and signs with a contending team for $500MM.

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Positive side. The Al is kind of wide open. With the reinforcements we have coming back, If we find ourselves back 5+ over .500 again in 2 weeks If we can get a starter like Cease or Verlander / Scherzer and a late inning reliever i say we do it.

As we’ve seen there’s no guarantees for contention every year. Go for it . We actually have good position player depth once healthy b which is a rarity. Strike while that thang ‘s smokin!

2GA2Join
Super Member
9 months ago

I guess I don’t have any objection with waiting until closer to the deadline, but given recent history of this team, and our current injuries and the way they’ve played this year, I think it looks pretty unlikely we’ll make the postseason.

And that is the rub. We have to decide at the end of July. I don’t think it is responsible to walk away from a potentially big return on trading Ohtani, in exchange for a small chance at the playoffs this year.

If this team had been a contender year after year (pretend this was the 2000s), then maybe I’d think differently. You might say “we are in a rough patch right now, but we know this team is great and we’ll get hot”. But that is definitely not the case.

LanaBanana
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to 

Sweet but that was pure clickbait. The word “stay” was not the word Shohei used.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

I nailed the lineup last night. All hail the King:

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DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Jake Plummer isn’t on this team

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Along with setting the lineup?

How fit is your shoulder?
We could use new 3rd base coach.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Yeah, that’s pretty much a “cleanup on aisle 3” situation at 3B. It’s literally playing a pivotal negative role in what are essentially playoff games for the Angeles now.

Come what may, I don’t buy the narrative that these don’t care or have quit.

They may not be good or healthy enough in the end, but they compete.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

You might consider buying a powerball ticket. Projected payout tomorrow is 1 billon dollars with cash value of $516 MM. Might be sufficient to get you few years of Sho’s service.

It’s much easier than predicting Angels’ batting order. All you have to do is pick 6 numbers, and they can be in any order. How difficult can that be? 😉

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Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
9 months ago

Matty V on MLB Network today.. Seems like the first talking head to actually utter the words

“The Angels are not out of it”

Thanks for being you Matty.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago

He must not post at this site – he’d be beaten into submission within minutes

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

This site is soooo bi-polar and should be on meditation.

If the Angels had lost last night would be all doom and glooms gloom. If they lose tonight – doom and gloom.

If they win – “going to the playoffs!”

Is there any middle sane ground to be found around here?

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

None. Now wipe those rainbow skid marks off your skivvies and go back to your fallen skies.
😅

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Double rainbow all the way.

it’s horseshit

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halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

What’s the fun in that? We’re all still having fun right?

max
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max
9 months ago

you guys have fun?

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It’s important to remember that fan is short for fanatic. There is nothing sane or rationale about being a fanatic. Couple that with the lifelong trauma of being an Angel fan save for those good 2000’s years and you get the cynicism that exists here.

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DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago

Speak for yourself … fan for me is short for Fantastic Fantabulous and Fanriffic.

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

😂 you right my bad.. shouldn’t have “Loup’d” you in with the rest of us

LanaBanana
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

We should probably be on medication as well as meditation. 😂

angelslogic
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Me me me😀

angelslogic
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

But I still would like to see Nevin, Rengifo, and Loup gone.

LanaBanana
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

And in that order.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago

Via Sam Blum
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Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

You beat me to it haha

Looks like a W lineup to me

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

We’re wasting Heefo’s prime.

🤪

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

LOL that was a good laugh, thank you

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Do you notice that Sammy always takes a picture of the lineup card at an angle whereas Jeff Fletcher and Rhett Bollinger display it squarely? I deduce Sammy’s personality as skewed and Fletcher and Bollinger’s as square.

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I think Sam is hiding from spying on Rendon. Needs to navigate cautiously throughout the clubhouse. Plus he wears his pointed little hat, difficulty in looking down at his phone while taking a picture if facing the lineup card directly.

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tanana40
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Considering no Trout or Drury, this is still a pretty good line up.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago

Anybody know why the best lineup link of all isn’t working?

https://www.baseballpress.com/teams/laa

LanaBanana
Super Member
9 months ago

It stopped working a day or two ago. I’ve been wondering, too. Google doesn’t seem to know

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

their site is dead, twitter is gone. they have a FB page, so I reached out via messenger just now. Not looking good.

LanaBanana
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Dang 🙁

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Darn!!

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago

What are the Angels needing currently?

  1. 2 starters (The same needs that every team needs as there just is not enough to go around to all 30 teams, making a 6 man starting staff just not a reality)
  2. Proven relief pitching. (Self explanatory)
  3. First Baseman who can field above average.
  4. Third Baseman
  5. Right Fielder
  6. Center Fielder (Who shows up to play everyday)

At this point Catcher and Shortstop are filled nicely with youth. Assuming Shohei is traded, Mike Trout can be the primary DH. Renfroe could be traded to a contender, leaving RF open. Moniak can fill in at CF or RF.

Trout could learn from Walsh, a new coach, how to play 1b, assuming he wants to remain out in the field. That would offer Redone the opportunity to DH, as he is not walking away from 112 million owed in the next 3 years.

Fletcher is not going to be wanted by any other MLB team, so he becomes the versatile infield backup with Squid.

Other needs that should be addressed, coaching staff, bench coach, manager. Wise showed some good results last year with this same basic staff. So is his philosophy to pitching not working or do we have that weak of a core of pitchers? Doesn’t help that Texas has the best Pitching Coach in the business.

Hitting Coaches, remember this means 4 coaches, one is top dog, one asst. and one is at AAA and one is roving. the new idea of being aggressive has merit this year, as we are top 3 in the AL in most categories. With Trout, Rendon, and Urshela down and Fletch and Walsh MIA, I would have to say the new strategy is working. ( Side Bar here: I have taught hitting for so long I have been blessed to have forgotten the early things I learned. I was fortunate to have met Ben Hines, who mentored me in the school of hitting over 30 years ago) My approach came from the idea that each hitter was different. Being aggressive is for contact hitters, certainly not the whole of the lineup. Working the count means a lot of work has to be put in recognizing pitches as early as possible, anticipating what is coming next a reacting to mistakes. Lastly, knowing the strike zone.

Renfroe is a mess at the plate this season. A few years ago Adell was a mess and we pointed out how to fix him and he has done pretty much what we thought he should, but his head is still not right. He has brought his hands down and has learned how to adjust to a pitch with his hands. Renfroe knows he is better than what he is showing, but may be stubborn to adjust, partly due to ageing and pitch recognition. He is trying to make contact on all pitches and forgetting just the basics. He has more 1-2 counts than anyone I have ever seen. His foot work is terrible too, as that is part of timing.

I did not intend to write a book here, so thanx for reading this. Hit the thumbs up if you like this posting article..

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

I think we’ll see Trout in the 7-8 range versus the 4-6 range, but either way, if we aren’t selling and this team is still “in it”, getting Trout & O’Hoppe back for the last month will be quite the boost.

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BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I like the idea if Trout as 1B-DH-4th OF for 2024 and beyond.

Re: Rendon – Man, wouldn’t it be nice if the baseball gods
shined on us (and Rendon) for a bit and gave us an injury free season….

Fletcher – I mean, what’s the point if he’s totally washed? Watching him play
in SD was the final straw for me. I know you like him, but it’s time to stick a fork in him because he’s done.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Very hopeful that Logan would be back sometime next month.
https://twitter.com/RhettBollinger/status/1681427754775097344

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago

Perry masterclass.

“Angels have reportedly signed 18 of their 19 draftees so far.

3rd rounder Alberto Rios is the sole player unsigned right now. The Angels have $860,120 remaining in their bonus pool”

https://twitter.com/BeyondTheHalo/status/1681366531794685952?t=WamhAaTQYN_8I3XfZsghmg&s=19

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I might be wrong but I believe if the Angels dont sign this pick they’re screwed in terms of exceeding the + 5% bonus pool amount. because you don’t credit for the 5% overage on the slot amounts you dont sign. And the penalties above 5% are pretty draconian.

So this maybe an all or nothing stand off.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Rios ain’t passing up 860k. He will sign

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Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

so what’s the hold up? he’s missing the post draft workout.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Seeing that he is still a junior at Stanford, who got eliminated in CWS going 0-2, there is probably 75% chance that he will not sign. Two reasons. 1) He wants to return to CWS and win it. Stanford is a good team with many returning. (I remember 2017 Oregon State team who lost CWS going 0-2, eliminated by LSU. Beavers won CWS the following year defeating LSU.) 2) He wants to graduate. He double majors in Management Science and Engineering.

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Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Rios could very easily underperform and/or get injured next season at Stanford.

He should sign with us.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I remember many college kids including Adley Rutchman, who passed draft pick to win CWS. And how do you know he is not going to do actually better and picked in the first round next year?

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Rutschman left OSU after his junior year. He entered the draft as soon as he could.

Rios’ track record is literally only what he did in his junior year. It would be quite ambitious to pass on $860k as a 3rd rounder with the hopes to improve his draft stock.

Maybe a Stanford education changes the calculus for him ?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

You are right. He did not skip draft pick because he was only sophomore then. My bad. But I can find you a ton of college kids who skipped draft for the sole reason of winning CWS with his teammates, and you cannot criticize their passion.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Definitely would never criticize or hate on a kid for wanting to enjoy their senior season with his buddies and finish out college.

Nonetheless, Alberto Rios will a 🗑 🐼 in a few weeks

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Sounds way better than a Tree.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Tree Rollins disagrees!

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Joyce Kilmer doesn’t like my comments either but Im not scared of anyone named Joyce ( except maybe Elaine Joyce)

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

🤣

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yup I’m all for that. You only get one chance to be a college kid and its the best time of your life. My time at Oregon State is something I wouldn’t trade for anything. But to go in the 3rd round it make sense to leave. We had similar situation with Garret Forrester this year who got drafted by the Pirates as much as he wanted to stay to make a run at Omaha on next years Oregon State team which is now pretty stacked he ended up signing today.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

He aint no Adley Rutchman or Rutschman . Who was a first overall draft pick in the 2019 draft out of college after getting drafted in the 40th round and not signing out of high school 3 years earlier. Who wouldn’t do the same thing?

So I’d put the odds of Rios flowing back to Stanford at about 1%

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Based on what you said, would it not be smarter to finish education at Stanford in B.A. in Management and Engineering in most likely case that he will not make it in professional baseball earning essentially below minimum wage? I still say 75% he will not sign. Why has not signed yet if that wasn’t the case.
https://www.on3.com/college/stanford-cardinal/news/alberto-rios-considers-what-it-means-to-be-stanford-cardinal-after-big-season-college-world-series/

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Thank you for correcting my spelling. It is Rutschman.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

So you get the drafting team to pay for the completion of his college education if baseball doesn’t work out. I happens all the time. It may not even count against his bonus.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I am certain that has been discussed by now. The draft occurred more than a week ago. What is the hold up? It has to be Rios weighing playing in minors this year as opposed to returning to Stanford to join his teammates for another trip to CWS (They better watch out Oregon State) and complete his degree. (It is much easier to finish college in 4 years rather than returning.)

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DaveChalk
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Have to agree with you here that maybe some posters are significantly undervaluing what a STEM degree from Stanford means financially. I thought that Stanford athletes are able to go back and finish their degree if they leave early but just hard not to think a Stanford degree makes it a bit harder to leave early unless you are a true elite prospect

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DaveChalk

Unless your name is Tiger Woods or John Elway, I agree with you that graduating from Stanford (especially with STEM degree) would catapult you into a bright profitable future.

I am not certain Woods or Elway ever returned to school to finish their respective degrees, but Stanford probably would not mind providing them with honorary degree.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

With all due respect I think You’re nuts. A STEM degree from Stanford gets a great job to start your career . What you do with that job and overall career is up to you and you only. Average Starting salary for an engineering grad maybe $120K ?

As you can only play baseball for a very small window of time unlike a career in a stem field that can last for decades, but the starting salary for a MLB player is almost 3/4 of a million dollars now and the average annual salary is almost $5,000,000. As a top draft pick the probability that he plays at the MLB level is probably about 20%-30% .

You’d be foolish to ignore those odds.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Adley’ had to comeback for 1 more year. He was not draft eligible until 2019. We won it all in 2018. That Oregon State team was one of the best in college history with the young stud Adley along with 3 first rounders:

  • #4 Nick Madrigal (was up having a good year with Cubs before injury)
  • #20 Cady Grienier (recenly retired from game)
  • #37 Trevor Larnach ( has been up and down from Twins to AAA)

Then you still had in the 5th and 6th rounds

  • #163 Steven Kwan – Lead off LF for Cleveland
  • #185 Drew Rasmussen – Turning into an Ace for Rays
Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

I totally forgot about Grienier and am sorry to hear that it didn’t work out for him. Here is an article which talked about Madrigal and Grienier in Corvallis/Bend league before they launched their careers at Oregon State.
https://www.bendelks.com/blog/six8citbbbwnpvpdg5jjro8g42wxjw

I remember the Bend Elks stadium fondly when we accompanied our son in his 11-12 year old baseball team in summer weekend tourney.

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Free Rios.

Free Duran Duran

I’ve seen you on the infield
And I’ve seen you on TV
One, of a billion stars 
It means so much to Arte
Like a hit or a pretty throw or 2
But then I’m sure that you know it’s just for you
His name is Rios and he hits it into the stands
Just like a LOBster twisting through Disneyland
And when he signs, he’ll really show you all he can
Oh Rios, Rios get to Del Taco somewhere across the land and sign that contact as soon as you can
Hey now (woo) 
Look at that hit did they really run you down (and throw you out)
At the end of the game the umpires arrive 
You make me feel alive, alive, alive

(JUST SIGN THE PAPER. LET’S MOVE ON)

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Lobster/Disneyland, that sold me on you rewriting the hits, you’re good my friend 🎵  🎶  🎷  🎸  🎺  🎧  🎵  🙂 

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think he will. Stanford lost a lot too from their club and my Beavers are coming back loaded after having a hell of an off season. The rest of the Pac should be on notice. Save yo selves!!!

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

Homeboy’s beavers are loaded?

Not sure I know how to respond to that.

Twebur
Legend
Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

That sounds like someone who is saying goodbye to his team and welcoming the next chapter in his life.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Let’s agree to disagree on that point. If he were so excited to play professional baseball, should not he have signed by now?

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Not sure but the deadline isn’t for another week.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Interesting article by Baseball America. Little old but it looked at top 3 round draftees who chose not to sign between 2012-8.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/what-has-happened-to-top-picks-who-failed-to-sign/
-Of 15 who declined the first time, only 4 ended up with better contract at later draft.
-8 got drafted during the second time but received less money.
-3 went undrafted in later draft.

So, it’s rare, but it happens. I guess we will find out how much having another chance to reach CWS means to this guy.

BTW, according to PayScale, the average 1st year salary with Stanford degree in Engineering is $125K. Nothing to sneeze at.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Cowboy, I read into that he sounds scared to move on up as this was his best season since HS. I do hope I’m wrong though, maybe he does not want to be an Angel.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

#8 and #11 stand out. Wimmer has a slot value of$150k, signs for $397.500 and the team is dinged the difference. At #8 Barret Kent has slot of $200.K but instead of being dinged $800K, the team is docked the full one million. Do you know why this is the case? (I don’t know) Huge difference with Kent, maybe he’s related to Clark.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

College scholarship leverage.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
9 months ago

From 11 on you get the first 150K with no ‘ding’. All monies in the first 10 rounds count towards your slot total.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago

Tomorrow will be the 2-week mark from Trout’s surgery.

The expected recovery time is 4-8 weeks. Trouty isn’t the fastest healer and turns 32 next month, thus I’m not sure how feasible it is to expect him to return on the shorter end of the timeline.

For fun, let’s say he is able to return August, 11th. That’s 5 weeks post-surgey. Our schedule till then:

2 games vs NYY
3 games vs PIT
3 games @ DET
3 games @ TOR
3 games @ ATL
4 games vs SEA
3 games vs SF

46 games left after the SF series.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I actually like your prediction of Trout’s return around 8/11. The shortest example that I know is Jose Ramirez, who returned exactly 28 days after surgery to compete for playoff competition in late September. He is a freakish outlier. The opposite side of the spectrum is Yu Chang who needed 10 weeks to return. Trout is extremely motivated to return ASAP, so I can see him playing as early as middle of August especially if Angels have chance of playoffs with Sho still as his teammate.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

I get the Love for Mous since hes trying to exhibit real leadership skills in his short stint here. But the reality is during Rendon’s reign of terror here from 2020 until today Moustakas has actually been worse across the board despite playing the majority of his time in 2 very hitter friendly ballparks (Cincy & Coors)

PA’s: Moustakas 849 Rendon 857
OBP Moustakas .310 Rendon .359
OPS Moustakas .707 Rendon .758

Obviously the money is a big difference and so is a shitty attitude but the irony is thick.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Isn’t the salary and shitty attitude enough?

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Moose actually plays in games, though. When you are on the IL all of your numbers are zero.

This year Moose has already hit twice as many home runs as Rendon and will actually be in the lineup tonight.

It would be a fun bet to make as to whether Moose ends up collecting more PA as an Angel than Rendon this season. Currently Rendon has a 183 to 59 advantage.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

What have you done for me lately ?

Moose 15 games, 59 PAs
.241 / .305 / 463
4 HRs
107 OPS+

Rendone 43 games (lol), 183 PAs
.236 / .361 / .318
2 HRs
89 OPS+

Rendone has been outrageously pathetic this season, besides a respectable OBP.

Moose has been a slightly above league average hitter with us and is providing invaluable leadership that this team sorely lacks.

As mama always said, “If you have nothing bad to say about Anthony Rendone, it is better to say nothing at all”

Last edited 9 months ago by Pineapple12
GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

This is comparing apples and oranges. Rendon in his prime being injured and Moose just past his prime being injured. Moose is producing and Rendon currently watching from the rail.

It appears to all of us that Moose is kicking butt because he has been somewhat productive at 3b and we can see what he has accomplished is a lot better than Renny and Rendone, well, he’s looking good to us.

Bottom line is we still need a 3b as Rendon is really Rendone and any rebound is a bonus.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

I like the guy but defensively hes been worse at 3B than Rendon. (Mous is much much better at first base even if he has refused to throw the ball to other bases) But luckily hardly anyone has been hitting the ball there lately.

All I’m saying is theres a reason the cash strapped Reds ate his remaining contract and released him at the beginning of the year. But So far so good.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

So far playing 3b, he has not had any of the tougher plays to make. He was washed up at 3b even back in his KC days, but so far the team is lucking out.

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago

Of course Shohei’s bat flip is the story today, but can we give a huge round of applause to Canning for his gutsy, borderline heroic, performance last night? Even with the two earned runs, he’s pitched his best game that I can remember.

And on a game that was desperately needing an ace-starter pitching kind of performance after that deflating loss to the cheaters, Canning more than delivered. I hope he continues this trajectory, even without the 12 Ks a night, but more into consistently pitching deeper into games.

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

If he could be just a little more economical with his pitches, and be able to go 7 innings, then he will have taken that step to the next level.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

In yesterdays game, Peraza, lead off Yankee hitter, fouled off many pitches, where Canning used total of 27 pitches on this pest. You gotta tip your hat to Peraza. Gotta give Cabbage and Neto partial credit for fighting some tough pitches off Michael King yesterday setting up for Sho’s epic two run game tying homerun wth monstrous bat flip.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

The whole staff is very frustrating inducing as the constantly missing the edges and corners resulting high pitch counts and unnecessary BB.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Two earned runs thanks to Herget doing the predictable.

Yes, Canning was an absolute stud last night.

frosse
Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yes he was; but, I can’t get too excited about this until he starts doing it consistently. The prev 2 starts vs Dodgers and DBacks were terrible and the Yanks are fighting the Angels for worst MLB team in July. That Yankee lineup last night was downright pitiful.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  frosse

Cynically speaking, our ‘swing early and often strategy’ made Severino look like Cy Young candidate despite his 7+ ERA, and one of the worst offense in MLB in Yankees batting order made Canning appear much better than who he is. It was a game between two struggling/sorry organizations, and MFYankees lost yesterday because they made one more mistake than Angels did.

But, you gotta admit it was exhilarating to see all those MFYankees fans exiting the Big A in utter disgust.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That is probably one instance where the exiting pitcher didn’t “deserve” those earned runs next to his name. That should all be Herget.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Canning looks like an old school pitcher with the high socks and funky delivery.

The Angels should probably push his next start out by 1-2 days after throwing 120 pitches.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

So does TA but you know who I prefer.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 months ago

Loup is the hero!

Betcha thought you’d never see that in print.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Our problem is not the offense. We have enough depth despite all of the injuries to score enough. Our success is coming down to pitching ( and the lack there of) I think TBW is agreeing with this.

https://twitter.com/TaylorBlakeWard/status/1681180995448602626

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago

Yankees chances to sign Shohei in the offseason have seem to come down to zero, with that epic bat flip. Shohei seems to have such disdain for the Yankees – IF in the back of his mind he will consider the Yankees strongly when he’s a UFA, I don’t think he will give such a middle finger to the Yankees that way last night. And it didn’t end with the bat flip, he was yelling and pumping his fists as he was rounding the bases.

FungoAle
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Mmmm, the way I took it…the flip was pure enjoyment, no disrespect. We saw Shohei in the WBC and he likes performing and coming through on the big stage. I don’t think there is any backstory to this.

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Nah, you’re right. But it’s nice to imagine that it is a huge middle finger. Or even if not to the entire Yankees squad, a middle finger especially for Gerrit Cole

FungoAle
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

oh yeah! MFY! Yanks are in last place in the AL East. Feels right to me.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

This was posted on Bleacher Report and it is epic.

https://bleacherreport.com/videos/457202-ohtanis-bat-flip-on-yankees

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

By same logic- he totally despises USA baseball and Mike Trout.

Did you see the way he celebrated the WBC victory?

😆

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Yeah, he totally despises Trout, that’s why he won’t be back here. 😂  Biggest K of his career.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

I would not be surprised that Sho has the film clip in his phone and displays it to Trout in place of saying “hello” everyday.  😆 

LanaBanana
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

🤣

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

From this, I don’t hear any animosity from the Yankees. Michael King said all the right things.

Michael King’s reaction said it all. Seeing Ohtani tee off on his 35th homer, a two-run drive in the seventh inning, the reliever owned the best view in the house for an epic Ohtani bat flip — an instant highlight-reel moment that provided an exclamation point for the home team in the Yankees’ 4-3 loss to the Angels.

“I wish it wasn’t at my expense, but he’s an incredible hitter,” King said. “We knew, as a team, that we didn’t want him to be the one to beat us. Unfortunately, I got greedy in a two-strike count and tried to make a better pitch than I needed to. I can’t let him be the one that beat us, and I did today.”

As for the bat flip, King said: “If you’re going to tie the game that late, you can do whatever you want.”

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

dope response.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Perhaps, it was direct order from Cashman/Yankees FO to avoid any public hostility to Sho not to lower the chance for them to trade for him before deadline?

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Tbh, I’m confident that the entirety of MLBers understand what they are watching with Ohtani and hold him in the highest regard.

I’d hope King’s response would be the same for any player whether its the GOAT or a career MiLBer, but if there’s one player who deserves that type of respect it’s Sho.

halofansince1978
Super Member
Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago

DH Ohtani
C O’Hoppe
1B Moose
2B Drury
SS Neto
3B Rendone
LF Ward
CF Trout
RF Moniak

bench: Thaiss, Escobar, Renfroe, Rengifo, Cabbage

Perry is not perfect, but he did a phenomenal job building lineup depth (pitching is a whole other story).

It would be nice to see this lineup once 🙏🙏

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I would flip Moniak and Neto. Neto seems to be most effective turning over the lineup. And Moniak is a power RBI machine.

Until Rendon actually hits, and not just taking walks, he should be lower in the order, or maybe even higher (as an OBP guy). But not as cleanup. I’m just not sure that Nevin will have the guts to put a champion veteran lower in the order because it may be a sign of disrespect.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Ah, I wasn’t trying to make a lineup — that is just a list of our hypothetical healthy roster. My lineup would probably be …

Ohtani
Trout
Mickey
Drury
Rendone
Moose
Ward
O’Hoppe
Neto

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Swap Drury and Rendone. Anthony dont do 5th

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Same thing with Pujols. His contract determined his place in the lineup until the very end.

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Renfroe at 3rd for 60% of the games? Or do you try and work the Cabbage bat in there?

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Several options at 3B w/out Rendone to avoid putting Renfroe in the infield.

— Moose 3B, Cabbage 1B
— Escobar 3B, 🫎/🥬 1B
— Rengifo 3B, 🫎/🥬 1B

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’d prefer to see Cabbage take control at 1B and have Moose be the super-sub at the corners.

Jimmuscomp
Trusted Member
9 months ago

Damn Jeff Passan is awesome and that’s awful news. Back injuries are a bitch.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Jimmuscomp

Disclaimer: I like him, too. He also apologized in public almost right after he realized he made a huge mistake. Some people may say it was BACHI or divine punishment for saying “he is basically a high school baseball player” during spring training of 2018.
https://sports.yahoo.com/verdict-shohei-ohtanis-bat-not-good-023611674.html

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I wonder if those 7 scouts have this article on their bulletin board.

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
9 months ago

I’m just shocked about the victory last night. What the hell was Phillsie thinking by not double switching to replace Thaiss so someone fast was the stupid ghost runner and the catcher’s spot was placed in Moose’s spot?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

I am certain Nevin went through different permutations. The only person he had available for pinch runner would have been Plumber, the last position player on bench, who I believe is much faster than Wallach. Nevin had to make the decision to use Plumber as pinch runner and let Velazquez to hit. In this case, Nevin’s decision turned out to be right. Thaiss’ ejection really put Nevin in a hard and a rock place.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago

Arte is an idiot. Not just a little idiot, but a massive, flaming graphically stupid idiot. It’s almost like he’s looking for ways to sabotage the team.

I realize trading with the Dodgers hurts as it reinforces the Dodgers as the parent and the Angels as the child. However, if Arte is serious about competing with the Dodgers – he damn well better upgrade his analyitical and strategic thinking skills.

The Dodgers have and have had a strong farm system. Friedman has done a great job building a talent pipeline. Arte would be stupid not to exploit it. The Dodgers have the resources to sign Ohtani long term, which if they acquired him in a trade would probably really enhance their chances of getting that done.

We have O’Hoppe, but the Dodgers have two outstanding prospects. Acquiring catching depth can be valuable in a future trade. As such Cartaya or Rushing would need to be in a deal for Ohtani. From there we want pitching – Sheehan, Stone and Grove. Lastly, I’d ask for Pages and Busch.

This would be a helluva return for Ohtani. It doesn’t hurt the Dodgers – you know, they are getting the Unicorn of Unicorns. They would still have a top 15 farm system after this trade. From the Angels point of view, we’re reloading fast to improve our competitive positioning against Houston, Texas and Seattle.

Yes it’s ambitious. Yes it would hurt to see Ohtani in Dodger blue. Think long term here – we can’t afford both Trout and Ohtani, and we can’t spend the next decade hoping to compete after Trout’s and Ohtani’s salaries are off the books.

Arte being Arte, he wouldn’t trade Rengifo to the Dodgers…so this has no probability of occurring. Perry will likely need to trade with a team that has no farm depth to appease the idiot.

DaveChalk
Trusted Member
9 months ago

Agree 100%. Look what they gave away last year for Scherzer and Turner for an Aug and Sept rental and I would think they have to feel even more comfortable about their chances to sign Ohtani long term.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DaveChalk

Scherzer & Turner was 2 years ago. It included an extra year of Turner.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago

The salary I want most off the books is Rendon’s, although I know it would take more than a miracle. I also agree that the best way to get an overpay would probably be from the Doyers, and we should focus entirely on the best package, not where it came from. They are likely to score him anyway in free agency, so we should make the move if they give us a stupid good offer.

Claret
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Clayton Kershaw’s injury increases the probability that the Dodgers would overpay to acquire Ohtani.

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Claret

How long will he be out for?

Claret
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

He’s supposed to throw a bullpen session today, so if all goes well I suppose he could be pitching again before the trade deadline. But recovering from a sore shoulder can be tricky.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Coming back at the beginning of August if all goes well. Will probably be on some kind of pitching count when he returns.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

That’s what I heard. I remember his twitter saying he trusts his orthropod Dr. ElAttrache’s advice to take 2 more weeks off.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Claret

I don’t take the annual Kershaw injury at face value. The Dodgers have a playoff spot on the table and want to limit Kershaw’s innings. Every year in late July or so he goes on the shelf for a couple of weeks and comes back normal.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yep – saving bullets for the postseason