LA Angels Thursday News Crash:

Mike Trout underwent left hamate surgery. So that’s that. “His timeline for return is four to eight weeks.” I’m not sure if that is a Nevin quote or just something random that MLBTR wrote. This article also doesn’t specify who said that. Anthony Rendon supposedly avoided another trip to the injured list. Dude just can’t stop fouling things off of himself. Here is today’s obligatory “trade Ohtani” article. Shohei has a blister, by the way.

Former Angel Zach Grienke is now on the injured list with shoulder tendonitis. The Mariners just selected the contract of Tommy Milone. And now Dustin May is out for the season. Adam Wainwright went on the IL with shoulder issues as did Clayton Kershaw.

Fortunately, no Angels will be participating in the Home Run Derby this year. It looks like those guys will be vying for some rapper level bling which might someday end up in a pawn shop. Wyatt Mills of the Red Sox just had Tommy John surgery. Nelson Cruz just got designated for assignment. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. (Well, I guess it could.)

The Alek Manoah saga continues. The Jays just called him back up.

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ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
10 months ago

If we suck for the next few weeks Ohtani’s gotta go. I want to see him in the postseason this year when he may be at his absolute peak offensively. The combination of foregoing rebuilding blocks AND holding this guy hostage is just too much. Let him win a world series with the Rays or something ridiculous.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

MFYankees, Asstros, and Rangers are not helping. They keep on losing to reduce substantially the chance of Sho being traded. You ought to visit their team’s site to complain that they should be winning. 😆

Last edited 10 months ago by Kiyotchan
Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I’m with ya. He’s going to be gone sooner or later. And when he goes and plays on the team that goes to the playoffs, I can see a lot of people in tears on here while I play the titanic song in the background

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

If you know of good senior care facility for Bochy and Dusty where their respective fans would be thrilled to place the brain farted managers and anger management mental care institution for Boonie, please let their team owners know. They might actually start winning and short circuit this miserable vicious cycle!

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Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

They’re still doing better than Nevin and Dusty gets the last laugh since he won a WS last year

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

-Bochy did not use Chapman at all today. He may have forgotten that Texas just traded for him. Sign of senility.

-Dusty continued to start Sho’s friend Maldy, who is hitting 0,160 (way worse than that of Rengifo) and offense struggling. Sign of senility.

-Boonie when asked to evaluate the Yankees’ left field defense this season: “It’s probably been a little mixed bag. Overall, it’s probably been all right.” Sign of extreme incompetence along with GM Cashman.

-Jimmy Cordero, Yankee reliever, was suspended by MLB for the rest of the season for DV policy violation.

I am not confident that these teams will win too many games for the remainder of this month. Wow, the chance of Sho being traded before deadline is now getting slimmer and slimmer every single day.

Las Vegas odds today: Shohei traded before deadline +250. Shohei remains with Angels -150. My suggestion is to buy it today at -150 because it will be at least -300 on 7/20. $10 will win you $6.66 today, but on 7/20 it could be only $3.33 or less.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

So now you are on Board of Shohei not going to the playoffs again during his best years but let him leave in Free Agency because “muh draft comp pick”? Or are you doing the hope and faith copium?

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

And they are still doing better than the Angels and their players aren’t breaking themselves like they are twigs

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
10 months ago

Man. Have you guys been Sad Donkey JuJu powering the Angels into having 20 injured players while I was distracted by work? Even Gubi brought up Eeyore on TV the other night. How many of the “real men of baseball” have fumed that PTP should have prepared for this? Is this happening because of Arte’s dark cabal? Did the RealManzs enjoy Rendon obviously not giving a shit and just collecting his money after that last injury? Does Mike Trout’s situation only make it more obvious that we need to pay Ohtani 700M because “it’llbeeeedifrenthistime”? What part has Aaron Loup played in all these injuries? Still a must win season? Still demanding a play off team? Still bringing up PTSD cause the funz aren’t fun enough?

Dark sad sack juju. Are you a believer yet?

I for one am not happy, but there is still a whole half a season left and I’ll still enjoy it if we wind up over or at .500. I also like the cut of Adells jib right now, I hope he settles into being a big boy. A season where Jo and Moniak, along with Detmers, both establish themselves would be nice.

Bring me Trey Cabbage!

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago

Welcome back, Gritcho-Sensei! I now feel really good about tomorrow.

tanana40
Super Member
10 months ago

Gitcho is now the voice of reason.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

God save the Queen, man.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago

I have to give huge credits to Gritcho-Sensei. All the right teams are losing currently, and with his presence at this site, Angels have already been blessed.

Rangers fans are really motivated to put Bochy in nursing home right now.

Are’t we little bit nicer on Nevin?

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Hallelujah!!!! I could almost be religious, Gritcho-Sensei!. It’s been a glorious day. Asstros lost, MFY lost, Rangers lost. We gained 0.5 game on all these teams, and we are now 3.5 GB WC3. And we did not play a game today. Perhaps someone may suggest that we postpone the series with Doyers and we might gain another whole game on them.

The creepy thing is that both Red Sux and Mariners are back in contention.

max
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max
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

miracles do happen, but why don’t they happen more often? Hell, we’re the ANGELS for GODness sake!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  max

I have been well informed of and trained in trAdition doctrine, sir.

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Fleckstein
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  max

Need Joseph Gordon-Levitt to wave his arms again

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

So our best bet to success is not play another game for the rest of the season?

Sounds good to me.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

At least, we will have finished over 0.500. 😆

BTW, Corbin Carroll has been removed from tonight’s game, looks eerily like what happened to O’Hoppe. I understand he already had a surgery on the same shoulder he just injured. So, if DBacks were to offer Carroll for Sho, the deal is off.

NL ROY is now looking good to Elly!

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max
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max
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

ha, yes, tho it’s a SSS

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago

Look who’s back

halofansince1978
Super Member
10 months ago

I posted asking if you were okay…we were worried about you.

halofansince1978
Super Member
10 months ago

Okay maybe not so much the worried part.

I wondered if you pulled a 5th Starter on us.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
10 months ago

Nah. I’ve watched a couple Reds games of course. But I have seen most of the last few weeks Angels games too…. or fell asleep during them.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
10 months ago

Oh, I’m fine. I am just putting in a ton of hours on motion design stuff. I suck at it, so I have to concentrate and not peek at sites like CTPG during the day…. and my nights are full of heroism and romance as always.

halofansince1978
Super Member
10 months ago

I would get banned for what I want to say to that.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago

 😆 

rosstrade
Trusted Member
10 months ago

By “heroism and romance” do you mean a bottle of wine and a Netflix romantic flick…..?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  rosstrade

PBR and the Hallmark Channel?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
10 months ago

Nights full of heroism and romance.

Careful, you might go blind.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
10 months ago

Why does the Gitcho suddenly make sense?

Simba
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  rosstrade

That means you have reached enlightenment.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago

I saw yesterday at MFYankees stadium that Yankees Yes broadcast cameraman’s face got hit by overthrow of Orioles SS and had to be taken out by stretcher. Today, I just saw a plate umpire at MFYankees stadium got hit by a foul ball on his head ricocheted right off TV camera/back screen net. He looks ok, but I will see if his strike zone changes. 😆

BTW, Severino looks washed up, and Rutchman would have won ROY last year if he started like this. If O’Hoppe turns out to be just half of Rutchman, Angels will have great catcher for a long time.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I take extra pleasure in watching MFYankees being demolished by Orioles, now 5-0 in 3rd inning. Severino is KO’d.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

If Mariners win over Houston, Angels may actually end up gaining 0.5 game on WC3 spot today without playing a game. Maybe that is the secret. Just have a lot of off days.

Orioles are now 8-0, and MFYankees are considering using IKF for relief pitching.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Orioles 13 MFYankees 0. Mercy rules?

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Orioles, please don’t do what we did after scoring 20+ runs. Save some for tomorrow.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
10 months ago

Tyler Anderson to the Bullpen.

Sorry Mr. Anderson

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago

I think most readers of CtPG agree that Houston’s Training/Medical Staff exude excellence and rival the Angels counterpart in that regard. So when they announce that Jose Altuve is now on 10 day IL, do you think they are fibbing or hiding?
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/astros-place-jose-altuve-on-injured-list.html

Altuve has been out of the lineup the past couple of days after experiencing discomfort in that oblique during batting practice Tuesday. Manager Dusty Baker had already indicated that he’d be held out for a few more games, and the team will opt for a formal IL stint in order to operate with a full bench during an important series against a division rival that is within striking distance of Houston in the AL Wild Card chase. Altuve will now be out until at least next Friday, though the team hasn’t provided an expected timetable for his return. It’s possible he’ll be sidelined beyond that 10-day minimum, but it’s of at least some note that Houston didn’t list the injury as a “strain.”

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Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

So lying and obfuscating the truth is considered excellence?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

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I do wonder if they both went to the same online or off shore medical school.

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DowningDude
Legend
10 months ago

The sun came up today

clover_black
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

more lies.

DowningDude
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

You slay me, cb. Slain, I am

clover_black
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

i made the poor decision to attend the monday angels/padres game.

still havent recovered

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

We were there too. As strange as it might sound in a 10-3 game, I felt that they were in it for most of the game. Dudes were
on base nearly every inning. I believe Renfroe came up empty on TWO bases
loaded opportunities.

If they get one hit and narrow the gap in any of those situations, Phil probably uses different relievers and the the whole momentum thing takes effect.

Awesome stadium experience though.

MarineLayer
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I live in San Francisco so it actually didn’t. Another reason SoCal is superior.

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago

This Org is idiotic. It is reported that at last year’s trade deadline the Padres were offering the package of talented young players that ultimately scored them Soto and they were also willing to throw in Snell for Ohtani. That would have had immediate impact in ‘23 and in the future of this club. The team is being primarily run by non-baseball people. It’s extremely frustrating to me that such an opportunity came and went. Hard to put any stock in these folks.

https://clutchpoints.com/mlb-rumors-padres-blake-snell-angels-shohei-ohtani-trade

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Had that trade happened, perhaps both of these teams may have been leading their respective division.  😆 

Angels: 45-44 7GB behind Texas, 4GB WC3

Padres: 41-46 9GB behind DBacks 6GB WC3

Baseball bounces in a very random manner, doesn’t it?

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

It does. It would have likely been win-win.

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Really? Because unless you think that quantity is better than quality I am beyond underwhelmed with the Nats return for Soto.

Of course if we just want a bunch of mediocre major league players, some hopium prospects and a good to great major league pitcher that will be a free agent in 2-1/2 months then this organization is so stoopid and we fans should demand the same incredible success of the current Nationals’ organization

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Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

22 year old CJ Abrams is on pace for a 2 WAR season. He at 2nd and Neto at short would have been dominant for many years.

MacKenzie Gore is 24 and has a mid 4 ERA in his freshman season. He has generated 1.5 WAR and is on pace for a 3 WAR season.

Robert Hassell III is 21 and splitting time between A and AA. He can play all 3 outfield positions.

James Wood is 20 and doing great at A+. He can play all 3 outfield positions.

Jarlin Susana is a 19 year old right handed in single A. Jury is still out.

Add in Snell and that is quite a return in my opinion. Young talented players on which an Organization can be built. I drool over the thought of O’Hoppe, Neto, Abrams and Gore all developing as Major Leaguers at the same time.

I reiterate the Angels have done NOTHING in 6 seasons with both trout and Ohtani. It’s time to try something different in my opinion.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I just read Washington Nationals championship in Wikipedia. Looks like Lerner Family pretty much lost interest in managing Nationals after they won WS in 2019, essentially gutting the organization by selling off all good players including one hit wonder Mr. Rendon. Feel really bad for the young prospects who got sent by Padres and other teams now stuck with this poorly operated organization, akin to another which we are quite familiar with.

MarineLayer
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

They were smart enough to let Rendon walk.

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

If you know you’re going to suck there’s certainly no reason to re—sign the over priced free agent.

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Look at under the hood of the actual numbers ’71 instead just stating BIG WAR IS GUD. Both of the players you are referencing are mediocre at best

Mckenzie Gore is your classic Poster child for Wacky WAR Overratings. He has a 4.48 ERA over 2 years with a 1.48 WHIP a 2.0 K/BB and a 4-7 record with a 4.50 ERA . And he aint getting any better . in his last 6 starts he has a 6.23 ERA and a 1.67 WHIP. Packy Naughton deserves a 3 WAR season before Mckenzie Gore ever does Hell Under those projections Patrick Sandoval should be earning a 6 WAR season .

C J Abrams has amassed about 600 MLB PA’s now. he’s a semi speedster with a consistent lifetime .280 OBP and limited power and mediocre defense. Again the League needs to replace the batteries on the WAR calculator if this guy is anything but an average MLB player.

SoIf this the future count me out we can do better ALOT better with our own developed prospects and players we can acquire in smart trades like Logan O’Hoppe or Mickey Moniak.

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

These kids are young and talented.

Look at Ohtani’s numbers from his first couple MLB seasons. It wasn’t until 2021 that he had a real breakout. In fact I got 35-1 on him being MVP that season.

Don’t you recall all the talk of him bailing out while swinging and striking out/not making contact? 2021 was his age 26 season and his first as an All-Star.

Young players take some time to come around. That’s part of the fun.

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You know what’s even funner? Drafting a podunk college shortstop in the first round and watch him become an integral part of the team and fit right in with our superstars the following season.

Now thats fun.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Until his body decided to quit on him, but I kind of blame that on their run down and aging facility

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

In Texas?

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I agree. I have been wanting a youth movement for so long now. I feel like the team has a chance to go in that direction. Get a solid core and then supplement with the occasional free agent. That sounds so much better to me than the status quo.

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

yes. I wish we had players like Neto, O’Hoppe, Moniak, Adell, Detmers, Canning, Sandoval, Joyce, Thaiss, Bachman & Soriano that we could build a solid core with.

Do You know where I could find a good team like that?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Sounds like some franchise that we are familiar with.
https://apnews.com/article/mlb-sports-montreal-business-baseball-b59c0d2098d76e021b94e8418b212e84

Lerner’s group purchased the Nationals from Major League Baseball in 2006 for $450 million after the team was moved to the U.S. capital from Montreal. He was managing principal owner until ceding that role to son Mark in 2018.

Last year, the Lerners began to explore the possibility of selling the team, which is worth $2 billion, according to Forbes, which estimates the family’s net worth is $6.6 billion thanks to the Nationals and Lerner Enterprises, one of the largest property-owning companies in the Washington area.

2 billion divided by 450 million times 100 divide by 17 equals 26% per year in increased value. Not as profitable as that of Angels for AM, but still not bad. Rich get richer regardless of their worthiness.

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Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

The problem is they don’t control the TV rights for most of their market and are in a long time spat with the Orioles over this issue.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And what they have been doing since 2015 has been working cowpoke?

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Is this a rhetorical question Jay? Because I’ve never stated this.

You certainly cant be that ignorant to think that the only way of building and operating a winning MLB franchise is a recent Washington Nationals style tear down.

And if you think the way the Angels are operating their franchise now the same way they did in 2015 than your frustration has completely blinded you .

And by the way I get the frustration. But if you think your impatience is unbearable now I cant wait until you get to experience the dream of the teardown and joy of watching an all youth movement.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

They’ve literally been fence sitting with a mix of overpaying for another walking billboard (Rendone).

I don’t want a Nationals style build. I want more of what the Marlins have been doing, you noticed that the Free Agents they have signed aren’t overpaid but are doing decent? Their manager kind of looks yoked while Nevin looks like he just got back from a biker bar.

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Which Free agents are those?

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yuli Gurriel, Jorge Soler, Joey Wendle, Dylan Floro, Jean Segura, Steven Okert, and Tanner Scott

Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Soler was signed as free agent before the 2022 season when he had a very mediocre injury riddled (sub .700 OPS)debut for the Marlins. Overt was a minor league free agent signing 2-1/2 years ago season , Wendle, Scott & Floro were acquired via trade. Of the only 2 real 2023 free agents you mentioned to try and buttress your claim Gurriel is the only signing Kim Ng has made that is playing at or above league average levels ( (100 OPS+) As our Old friend Jean Segura has been beyond a bust for the fish.

So what ever plan you are championing this year for the Miracle Marlins it aint do to their 2023 free agent signings. So Go back and fish

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago

MLBTR just updated their top 50 deadline trade cadidates:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/top-50-deadline-trade-candidates-early-july-edition.html

Curiously, I don’t see Shohei on the list. Do they know something we don’t?

Their #6 candidate did not look so hot today while #11 candidate just hit 2 run homerun to get closer to the Brewers.

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Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Well the front office has previously announced that Shohei is not available for trade so that might be the reason.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Right, sir.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34019260/washington-nationals-not-trading-juan-soto-president-gm-mike-rizzo-says

I kinda remembered that Soto enjoyed facing Shohei not too long ago. I swear he was not wearing Nationals uni. 😉

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Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

They’re saying that to shut up the media since they are sick and tired of hearing that question every single day

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago

I thought that Nevin was going to have a stoke last night, but he was right. There comes a time when intentions are noble, but age gets in the way.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago

You probably meant the colloquial version of cerebral vascular accident, but I learned the word “stoke” is a verb that implies adding fuel, so it corresponds well with the fierceness of Nevin’s temper.

Had you written a stork, I would have had more fun, like how did you know Nevin’s wife is pregnant.

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago

When I think of “Stoke” my mind ONLY goes here:

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Simba
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

While I understand how you got there, her name is actually Stokke.

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Simba

Don’t ruin this dime piece with facts.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

If you are attempting to get Sho’s attention, please remember I dibbed first. IMHO this is the best combination of DNAs of super athletes.

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halofansince1978
Super Member
10 months ago

Well how about that…I became a Super Member!!!

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago

Someday too, I will grow up to be a legend. 😀  Hope it happens before I have both feet out of the Endzone. 😮  Lots of laughs.

James
Trusted Member
10 months ago

don’t tell my wife or she will leave me for you

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  James

Was I misinformed that “it’s not the size, but motion of the ocean?”

DowningDude
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  James

He said “member”

red floyd
Legend
10 months ago

Now you need to worry about kryptonite.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
10 months ago

As Angel fans perspective is a requirement. So in the immortal words of Bill Murray:

It just doesn’t matter. And even, and even if we win, if we win, HAH! Even if we win! Even if we play so far over our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days. Even if God in Heaven above comes down and points his hand at our side of the field. Even if every man, woman and child held hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn’t matter, because all the really good looking girls would still go out with the guys from Mohawk cause they’ve got all the money! It just doesn’t matter if we win or we lose. IT JUST DOESN’T MATTER!

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago

Ohtani will re-sign because of feelingz!

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Because money or cali swag or some nonsense. This idea that Shohei wants to make a quick buck like Trout instead of trying to play on a team that goes to the playoffs every year.

Brent
Super Member
10 months ago

Once again I am asking people to realize the difference between resigning and re-signing.

Last edited 10 months ago by Brent
Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Maybe we can have Jerry DiPoto do a webinar to explain the difference .

RexFregosi
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

he was resigned to the fact Sosh would be his boss, so he resigned quit

Twebur
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

That is the webinar right after.

Quitting, giving up, surrendering….. Resigning’s ugly friends.

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

The tenor of this forum is that they’re resigned to the likelihood that Shohei won’t be re-signed.

The “Moore” joke is Moore fun BTW.

DowningDude
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I’m a baritone but close

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Sort of like There, Their and They’re.

Drives me F’ing crazy when American’s misuse these words when writing.

Brent
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Your, You’re
too, to, two
etc

DowningDude
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Brent

And singing. These are all different things

James
Trusted Member
10 months ago

The Angels won’t lose a game today. Calling it now.

SC_Halo
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  James

that’s a bold strategy

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  SC_Halo

Took the words right outta’ me mouth.

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Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  James

Ha haha hahaha hahahaha

Twebur
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  James

They still lose, just not on the field.

Owners has lost. The front office is losing. Medical staff and trainers, not winning. Even the Grounds Crew are a bunch of losers, the grass has weeds.

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

You’re without doubt a blast at parties…..

I kid, I kid.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago

In regards to 4-8 weeks recovery for Trout’s hand surgery, I have read additional medical studies. All of them are retrospective studies, which have many deficiencies and are subjected to bias. There was one study that focused on 41 baseball players.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2325967118803090

-The median time to return to play was 5 weeks (range, 3-7 weeks). The time to return to play was similar between professional, collegiate, and high school athletes. All athletes returned to their preinjury level of activity by 7 weeks postoperatively.

-This study confirms that excision of the fractured hook provides predictable, early return to play, with a limited complication rate.

I posted yesterday that Jose Ramirez of formerly Indians returned to action only 28 days after the surgery in 2019, which I confirmed on BBRef. Conversely, Yu Chang of Red Sox is expected to return to action this week 10 weeks after the surgery this season. I will consider these two cases outliers of opposite ends of the spectrum.

Disregarding whatever curse which has befallen on Angels this season injury wise, I will boldly predict Trout’s return in 6 weeks, which will be August 18, just in time for the first game of Rays series at Big A.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I just remembered that Jose Ramirez of formerly Indians is a switch hitter, which might explain why he was able to return rather quickly. He had the injury in his right hand, and he probably continued to bat right handed regardless of handedness of the pitcher to reduce pressure on the surgical site for a while.

Almost all hamate fractures happen to non dominant hand. In baseball it is the top hand. For Trout, it was his left hand.

Claret
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Ramirez fractured the hamate bone in his right wrist on August 24, 2019. Two days later he had surgery. He returned to the lineup on September 24. In his first at bat he hit a grand slam off righty Carson Fulmer while batting left-handed. In his second at bat he hit a three-run homer off lefty Hector Santiago while batting right-handed. He continued to bat left-handed and right-handed in the usual fashion for the next two games. On September 27 he did not play due to soreness in his surgically repaired wrist. The Indians were eliminated from playing in the postseason that same night.

I am not sure what this proves, but I am confident that the baseball player Jose Ramirez is an outlier among outliers.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Thank you for the info. BBRef does not tell me from which side he batted. You obviously remember the games when he returned. I did notice Indians did not have post season, so I was kinda wondering why he came back for the last few games of the season. Now, you helped me understand the rest of the story.

Jose Ramirez is helluva player. Quite underrated, very loyal to formerly Indians. I hope he gets elected to HOF.

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Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

He’s definitely a very good player, but not HOF material.

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

If the team can remain in contention for the next 5-6 weeks – and there is some basis for this hope considering that Drury, Moore, Rendon & Neto all figure to return throughout July – An August return from Trout followed by O’Hoppe a couple of weeks later would represent some damn fine reinforcements for the “Dog Days” of late Summer.

Can they arrest the current slide and remain in contention until then?

RexFregosi
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

It can be a very strong club the last two months especially with the additions (and subtractions) along the way.

Jo has to smash 💥 and we have to hang through July but indeed

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Here, here and here’s to Jo “Smashing” in the coming weeks & months….

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Same statement alert! I recognize some form of this same pronouncement from:

2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020
2021
2022

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

At least, one win in next two helps, two would be marvelous. One win would assure above 0.500 record before ASG, avoiding huge psychological descent into muddy sh’t pool of misery.

Then the first series against Asstros at home will be key series, taking 2 is almost a must and sweeping might kick the Angels into extra turbo assisted momentum into the following series with MFYankees, and winning that series is another must.

Formidable for sure, but I will continue to watch Angels games with the same passion and positive (some call thru rosy-colored lenses) attitude.

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

There’s little point in wallowing in misery when it comes to entertainment –
that’s all baseball is, entertainment.

While they’re still “in it”, I prefer to concentrate on how they can improve and how they can win.

If & when they’re “out of it” we’ll have 6 months to drone on about how miserable the franchise is.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

腹の八分目

This is an old, wise and healthy Japanese saying, roughly translated as 80% of stomach. The phrase encourages people not to fill their stomach with food but leave about 20 % empty. In my mind, it points to the fact that good balance is essential in life. So, I agree with your take wholeheartedly. Keep on trucking, not too serious, not too depressed, but smile a lot.

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halofansince1978
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

“It’s just a game.”

https://youtu.be/lHfrZMir_x8?t=100

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
10 months ago

The Rosenthal article explaining why Arte still wouldn’t trade Ohtani even if/when we bomb out of contention is so stupid that it must be true – this is all about some weird insecurity Arte has where fans need to see Ohtani leave us instead of seeing Arte trade him away.

People who care enough to be emotional about this are big enough fans to understand the context. They’ve seen the memes and heard the same conversation for years now. Nobody expects Ohtani to re-sign with the Angels and therefore wouldn’t have a hard time processing why he was traded.

Twebur
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

100% Arte think. He doesn’t want it to become the next Ruth trade.

So he thinks doing nothing will stop that comparison! And not create another legendary non-trade blunder?!?! Ha! It makes sense to him I guess!!!
😀 🤣 😂 🤣

Arte “No, No, Nanette” Moreno…When it’s all said and done and the forensic overview of his ownership is done, he will absolutely go down as one of the worst owners in American professional sports history.

Can’t make this stuff up!!!

RexFregosi
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I expect him to resign – Mike did, his BFFs are here, and there will be enough money for him – watching him, he is having a lot of fun with his teammates

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I want to believe. Why is it he hasn’t told his agent to get it done with the Angels?

RexFregosi
Super Member
10 months ago

maybe because market rates for 64 HR will be noted and awarded in his next contract?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago

Disclaimer: It is all conjecture.

Per MLBTR on 10/1/22, the Angels and Shohei Ohtani have avoided the most unique arbitration case in baseball history by agreeing to a one-year, $30MM pact for the 2023 season.  

IMHO, AM/PM have repeatedly attempted to extend Ohtani, who has steadfastly declined. The only plausible explanation I can come up is by doing so, he felt he could apply pressure on AM/PM to come up with roster construction off season to contend for playoff competition and beyond. It is passive aggressive, but I think it has been effective in that Minasian did admirably last off season, and so far it appears that Moreno is prepared to go above CBT threshold. It is like Shohei saying, “I would love to stay here, but show me a competitive team that I would continue to love playing for.”

Yes, last off season would have been significantly better in terms of return if Angels were to trade Ohtani, but AM/PM proceeded with the gamble of risking Shohei to walk with only moderate compensation draft pick.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Another thought to support my theory:

Ichiro, who played for Mariners for 12 seasons, only got to reach playoffs only once in 2001 as Mariner. Seattle failed to spend additional money to surround Ichiro with good players and never made another playoff run. (Does it sound like another team we know?)

Obviously Shohei has observed in his heart the disappointing part of Ichiro’s MLB illustrious history.

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RexFregosi
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yes Ichiro stayed for 12 years and didn’t leave till he was 37.

Shohei knows – this is the way.

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

You may be stark raving mad 😂

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I doubt it, Ichiro probably told him not to suffer like him. I bet even Trout tells him he needs to go to an organization where he can make the playoffs almost every year

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

You may be right, but not trading him is the functional equivalent of nothing has changed, and nothing will change. If you’re satisfied with the status quo, I’m happy for you.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I think if Ohtani wanted to RE-sign with the Angels, it would have been done. No amount of Trout/Thebeach/TheLameMonkey/OMGFlightstoJapan hopefulness can I conjure up to think he will do nothing but chase winning and dollars, which is his right.

But I do think he wants to resign, 10 Days after the WS ends and sign with another team.

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

AM gets eyes on the Angels and $ from having Ohtani on the team. He won’t trade him.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

this is my thought, too. Arte is thinking of short term value to attendance and marketing, rather than putting a winning ballclub out there.

I am too GA to find the quote but one of his reasons for not trading Shohei last year was, essentially, he wanted people to come to the park and, Trout being hurt, Shohei was the drawing card.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

Those extra eyeballs watching awful baseball around Ohtani have done more harm to the Angels brand and Arte Moreno’s reputation than the extra revenue is worth.

It’s one thing to suck. It’s another to be the laughing stock of the baseball world.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I think Arte likes getting hazed. And he cares more about exploiting players for marketing and revenue gain instead of investing in a tram that contends every year. Heck, the stadium and facilities are becoming as bad as the Oakland Collesium

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Cowboy26
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Why would he invest in a tram when theres a perfectly good one across the street?

Jayman28
Trusted Member
10 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

And the fans will just binge on copium

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago

Having a great job to go to everyday is rewarding. If however, you are a control freak you make going to work for others not just a drudgery, but a chore. My father used to give an allowance of a dollar a week to all of us, but only if all our chores were completed. Hey, we were just kids and a snickers candy bar was a dime.

The Commissioner of MLB is a control freak. He has done as much to weaken the sport of Major League Baseball as Bud Selig did in a much shorter time span.

Just what has he done to weaken the game? First and foremost he should always be thinking about the game and not it’s 10 billion dollars a year income, but does he? When the pressure was on to find out the facts about sign stealing, which is cheating, he gave a pass to all and the owner of the Astros had his hand slapped, player’s eight skated away with their livelihood still in tacked, and a manager and coaches got a year of suspension.

Pete Rose got a lifetime ban. The Chicago Blacksox got lifetime bans. Integrity in the game was important to Landis, Kuhn, Giamatti, more than to that sniveling Selig and no back boned Manfraud. If players would have been banned for life for cheating with the use of steroids and pitch stealing, the games image would have been enhanced and not diminished. Bonds and Clemens would most likely be in the HOF instead of being on the outside looking in. Baseball’s hollowed records would still memorized by young kids instead of being an after thought.

MarineLayer
Super Member
10 months ago

GP, I don’t understand your logic. If the steroids cheats had been banned for life, how would they be in the HOF? And you have a funny typo, baseball’s records would be hallowed if the rules were enforced, not hollowed as Selig and Manfraud have allowed.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

The first recognized cheats were between ’87-’94. Because of the strike and prior negotiations, the focus was elsewhere, not Steroids and PEDs. When the games resumed in May, focus for the owners and Selig was how to bring the fans back into the stadiums. Owners lost a lot of money and not all owners back then were worth billions. Prior to the strike there were owners who were in the minority that wanted something done about the PEDs, but alas most owners did not want to face the stain that would be on the game.

Bonds and Clemens had not started using PEDs up to this point supposedly and yet had the numbers that would have allowed induction to the HOF. Sosa and McGuire did not have numbers to put them in the HOF.

It was the HR explosion led by McGwire and Sosa that brought back the fans. I even got caught up in the HR races, although it did seem weird that Brady Anderson had hit 50 HRs one year. Plus in the ’50s Mantle & Mays hit in the 50+ HRs, in the ’60s Mantle & Mays plus Maris, the ’70s just Foster, in the ’80s no one, but out of nowhere, hitting 50 HRs couldn’t lead the league. Players were looking like lumberjacks. Something weird was going on, but what?

Putting Steroids into the body of Bonds actually created a Super-Human and he made a mockery out of the Baseball Writers and the sport itself.

Jessica DeLine
Admin
Super Member
10 months ago

How many times have we heard “Rendon not going on IL”, then he does?

Twebur
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Jessica DeLine

When the eventual robot baseball takes over, the Angels will suck at that too. With league leading worst robot making and horrible tech support. They will lead MLB in glitches and down time.

https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1676963761629044736?s=20

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

 🤓 lot’s of laughs.

halofansince1978
Super Member
10 months ago

So…who will be the Cy Rookie that Blue brings up to face us tomorrow.

MarineLayer
Super Member
10 months ago

It will be reinforced by the awful ball/strike calls against the Angels by tonight’s ridiculous home plate ump, whoever it is.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago

MLB attendance is way up this season because of rule changes made by Manfraud, maybe, just maybe he should get credit for the clock being a good thing as it is resulting in time shorten games. No other rule changes implemented since the regime changeover has had anywhere the same positive impact on the game.

Although I was for adding the clock to the game as the game had involved into a nightly marathon of pitchers taking their time to throw to the batters having to adjust their batting gloves insensately. The pitcher that seemed to take the most time was Gary Sheffield’s kid. He played for the Yankees and then the Mariners and then I don’t know. But he could and would take 40 to 50 seconds between pitches!

The batter I hated the most was Kole Calhoun. He was allowed between pitches to but his bat under his arm , walk across home plate an around the catcher and umpire all the while adjusting his batting gloves. Between every pitch!

The quicker game is must more old school, everything is quicker and must more entertaining, kudos to the Commish for making the game Livier.

BannedInLA
Super Member
10 months ago

MLB attendance is up due to the time clock? I’d wager that it has more to do with the masses flocking to the “spectacle” during the general decline – you know, the whole empire, bread & circus analogy.

Or it’s just the time clock. Haha

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

The length of the game has more to do with attendance than you think. First off games start at 7:10pm during the week night, kids now can be home and in bed on a school night by 10-10:30 pm. That’s huge compared to midnight. When I was taken to the ball games with my brothers, games started at 8pm. We’d be home and in bed with teeth brushed no later than 11pm, and that was and is late for a kid. If there was one thing hurting baseball more that the games being way to long, I do not know what it was, except maybe price of the whole night on a young family.

So laugh at me if you care to, but the “pitch clock” entering the game and the huge rise in attendance including 2019, is due to what, Dog and Pony Shows? To give aways? Cleaner stadiums? Covid being gone? Getting home earlier, faster game play, have everything to do with it.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
10 months ago

The faster game is brought up often by my casual fan friends. The type of folks who usually go to a game or two per year. I’ve noticed them going a little more often now and enjoying being home from Angels games by 10.

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago

Wait til all the free government pandemic money runs out! Much easier to buy tickets to a game when they are free! 😎

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

What free monies are still being given out today?

Fansince1971
Legend
10 months ago

No free money anymore but most of these tickets were bought months ago. Also the education loan forgiveness ends in the next few months. Extra money for things like baseball games is likely to be tighter.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
10 months ago

I do think speeding the game up has made important improvements to the sport.

Twebur
Legend
10 months ago

Gets the disappointment over faster.

RexFregosi
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

and we aren’t built up for as long

RexFregosi
Super Member
10 months ago

MLB attendance is up due to more boomers are retiring and it keeps us off the streets

halofansince1978
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

I resemble that remark!!

MarineLayer
Super Member
10 months ago

I think it has more to do with Covid becoming less of an issue in the minds of those who are willing to start attending games after three years of caution. I agree that a quicker game makes it more watchable. And getting rid of the shift has sparked more offense.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I will grant you that the elimination of the shift has added to the value of the product too. More hits, added base runners equates to more exciting baseball. I had not thought of that, good point.

RexFregosi
Super Member
10 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

yes – this is the main thing — plus it helps with expanded playoffs