LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Independence Day

Phil Nevin thinks both Carlos Estevez and Brandon Drury have strong cases to make the All Star Game. Estevez may still get in. Will Shohei Ohtani pass Aaron Judge’s home run record? Maybe.

Clayton Kershaw is now on the injured list.

Archie Bradley’s still in the game! The Marlins just outrighted him.

The Marlins placed Jazz Chisholm Jr. back on the IL with an oblique injury. They’ll select the contract of infielder/outfielder Dane Myers. The Mets traded for Chris Flexen and Trevor Gott and then immediately designated Flexen for assignment. They just designated Zach Muckenhirn for assignment. Niko Goodrum just opted out of the minor league deal he had with the Red Sox.

That didn’t take long. Jahmai Jones just signed with the Brewers. He’s going directly to their 26 man roster. The Nationals just signed Daniel Mengden to a minor league contract. Alek Manoah just struck out ten guys in a AA start. At least it wasn’t the Trash Pandas.

Another former player passed away.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago

 🎉  💥  🌟 Happy 4th of July to all and yours.  🍦  🍔  🍉 

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

BTW, happy 4th of July to all you MoFos. Even to the one’s
annoyed by my excessively positive Angels opinions. Haha

James
Trusted Member
9 months ago

😔 Can’t have nice things

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago

No answer yet on surgery per Bollinger.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

What kind of surgery for Bollinger? Spine? Because I’m in favor of it

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago

From Wikipedia and we all know who is an avid golfer…could it have been weakened?

The hamate bone is the bone most commonly fractured when a golfer hits the ground hard with a golf club on the downswing or a hockey player hits the ice with a slap shot.

RexFregosi
Super Member
9 months ago

It’s much more likely over work in the cage, considering he was in that slump

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Hmmm…yes.

angelslogic
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Or from punching the wall out of frustration.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago

One question…is the Axe Handle bat legal in MLB?.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago

Yes. Mookie Betts uses one, and Dustin Pedroia used to.

angelslogic
Super Member
9 months ago

Trout has a left hamate fracture and is out for 6-8 weeks. 🙁

Guest
9 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Take the time off and analyze your swing, Mike Trout, and come back like a starving piranha.

angelslogic
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to 

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BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to 

This.

If we use last season as a barometer, Trout will come back for the final 35 games and hit 20 homers and bat .300+

Hopefully they can stay in contention until then..::

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

8 weeks means “August 29th”. We might be a very different team by then

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago

4-8 weeks out, something that for him will possibly be the 8 weeks. Who was surprised by this, we were all just waiting for the Ka-Boom with Mike Trout.

LA_Seitz
Trusted Member
9 months ago

The top 7 pre-season farm systems are all from teams currently contending. It will be irresponsible not to trade Shohei at this point. How would he look on the Orioles, Reds, Indians or D-Backs?

nishiogawakun
Super Member
9 months ago

I know it’s not the root of all our problems and I know that there probably isn’t a reductive “root” to why we just can’t seem to win. But I hope this teams sells to a very progressive ownership group that conducts experiments and invests in player development more than ever before. I also hope we trade Ohtani before the deadline rather than let him walk. After this last decade of having once in a lifetime talent but no playoff wins I feel confident that, at least for me, I’d rather have a roster of less recognized players who make it deep in the playoffs. You may counter that we could have unrecognizable players and still be losers and that’s true, but why not try something different. It’s not like what we’re doing is working. And yes, im ok trading potentially the best player who played the game.

Last edited 9 months ago by nishiogawakun
Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

We already are.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

And it’s not the ‘traded Babe Ruth’ narrative. In Ruth’s day the teams owned the player and the relative cost was minimal. Adjusted for inflation Ruth never made more than $800,000 per season.

It is not the same analysis with free agency. A player that will cost $50+ million per season is rationally tradable no matter how good of a player.

Last edited 9 months ago by Fansince1971
Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

My first ever autobiography I read when I was 10 years old in Japan was “Babe Ruth.” I remember reading that Yankees told Babe he couldn’t get a raise in his salary because it would be insulting to the President if Babe made more money than the Commander in Chief. Did that really happen? Was that embellished?

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago

I hate that I was right. Ticker during Yankees/Orioles says Trout put on 10 day IL with left hamate fracture.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

You were quite astute by watching how Trout shook his left hand after the fateful swing last night. I thought exactly the same.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

What is the sense of calling up Adell if you are not going to start him, Nevin?
https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1676309443661942784

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Phil is just like Soth. He hates rookies and young players.

Loves the vets and caters to them regardless of how they’re peforming.

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Like Neto?

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago

Like Moniak.

There was a clear need at ss that couldn’t be well filled any other way ..

Last edited 9 months ago by JackFrost
MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

What is the point of starting Velazquez if you want to win?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

you can’t be chasing wins every day

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago

 😂  Have the proof with that statement that he is in over his head.

max
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max
9 months ago

That saying is just going to last all year+

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

I would have preferred to see a demotion of either Ward and/or Renfroe to facilitate AB’s for Adell instead of Trout breaking his wrist (I know, duh) but I’m excited about the opportunity for Adell nonetheless.

This dude has really filled out physically from 2021 to now and it’s very noticeable.

He’s definitely a Plus Athlete and the time is nigh to see if he can carry his weight in The Show.

I think he’s a 40+ homer / 180 strike out player, the burning question is wether he can will bat .250 or stay mired around .200…….

Last edited 9 months ago by BannedInLA
Guest
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

And how many runs he will give up playing the outfield.

Hopefully his AAA defensive workouts have had a positive impact on his play in the grass.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to 

Probably not anymore than Escobar at 2B.

It’s time to play Adell full-time,
come what may.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

Gerardo Reyes in place of Victor Mederos
https://twitter.com/LAAngelsPR/status/1676301670928756736

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Wow who would have predicted those moves?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago

Another “not ready for prime time” player

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

Hamate bone is connected to the Tommy John bone.
The Tommy John bone is connected to the hip bone

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Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to 

So Trouts a wimp?

Ersty homered in the WS with a broken one of those

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Unfortunately, I got blocked by paywall of LA Times, but I assume Mr Erstad continued to play despite fractured hamate bone.

The hand anatomy is quite intricate with networks of smaller capacity arteries and veins and almost microscopic roots of nerve endings almost always intertwined with the arterioles. Depending on the location of fractured piece, the degree of pain will pain from +1 to +11 in a scale of 10.

Surgery, if they decide to go with this option, almost always involves the removal of broken piece and fusing hamate to the adjoining bone, usually the pisiform. Trivia question: Do you know how many bones compose a wrist?

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Brother, I implore you to not give
a cent to the LA
Slimes. Those propagandists along with NY
Slimes and almost every other outlet
have done continuous damage to our country for a century.

(Rant concluded)

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

What you said Banned!!!!!!!!!!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Fat dudes take longer to heel and heal

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago

Per Alden Gonzales:

Hamate bone fracture confirmed. Trout is out at least 4 weeks.

Last edited 9 months ago by Fansince1971
steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yep. Jo Adell, right now is your chance, your shot at making a difference and kick starting your career in the MLB.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Yeah I’m not convinced but I hope I’m wrong

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Should have brought up Nelson Rada.

Let The Process begin!

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Someone needs to tell Phillip is this.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I hope Perry gets a lot of value back when we trade Shohei

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

I know Phillies 2022 were in NL, but they were 46-41 at 87th game. We still have reasonable chance compared to Mets. Mets were 3.5 GM behind Braves before June, and they are 18.5 GM behind Braves after June. Mets spent whopping $380MM and will pay additional $108MM as tax.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

The AL is stronger than the NL.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

There will be a series between Rays and Braves, which will give some indications to who is better, but overall, yes, I agree that AL teams are better than NL teams overall.

Cowboy 26 suggested to me to look up Braves 2021, and I was flabbergasted.

Braves 2021 at 45-42 after 87 games and eventually won the whole f’cking thing.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago

Should have happened a year ago.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago

With the Mike Trout era likely ending – is it time for the team to start planning for the future? Is it time to accept a championship is highly unlikely during his tenure and shift gears to a longer perspective? A rebuild focusing on young players and building up the minor leagues? I could definitely make the argument. I think the next 21 games will be the tale of the tape.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

open your eyes We are already are ’71

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Did they trade Ohtani? Renfroe? Drury? Sandoval? Did I miss something?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I copied and pasted the followings and will do so as necessary for the remainder of the day.

I know Phillies 2022 were in NL, but they were 46-41 at 87th game. We still have reasonable chance compared to Mets. Mets were 3.5 GM behind Braves before June, and they are 18.5 GM behind Braves after June. Mets spent whopping $380MM and will pay additional $108MM as tax.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Go look at the 2021 Braves

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Braves 2021 at 45-42 after 87 games and eventually won the whole f’cking thing. Thank you for the info, and I will adjust my copy and paste accordingly.

Guest
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

They won the whole thing even though an injury knocked out their best player, Ronald Acuna.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to 

Wow, he suffered ACL injury in July of that year. Amazing. He will most likely win NL MVP this year. People are saying that he is fortunate that he is playing in NL. Shohei’s AL MVP odds at -1500, also unprecedented by any athlete of American major sports at half point of the season.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Why do you keep pasting the same post over and over?

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Apparently you did. unless you think that Perry has a magic machine that will continually shit out golden prospects galore upon your command.

Perry is already utilizing the assets of the farm system to rebuild this team on the fly ( Neto, O’Hoppe, Moniak. Adell Sandoval, Detmers Canning, Soriano to name a good core) and will continue to do so as the fruits of our international signings come on line with more astute drafting in the next 2 years. Why do we need to tear down the roster just so you can enjoy 110 loss seasons and embrace the glory of playing many average prospects at every position?

I’m sure Perry will trade any chips of interest such as Renfroe and Devenski if he can get something of better value back in return but Why would you trade Estevez Drury and Sandoval considering how very reasonably cost controlled they are over the next few years?

I dont think building a winner has to be the binary decision of either big FA old guy payroll or “The Process” but if You want to go back to the egg that may or may not ever hatch thats your obsession not mine and thankfully, not Arte’s.

I’m to old for that shit

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You were younger 9 seasons ago. Since then the status quo has not worked. They may have not lost 110 games – but maybe they should have from a draft pick standpoint. I think I’d rather lose 110 than 89. For the long term it’s probably better to do a rebuild and hopefully Arte divests and a real baseball operation comes into power.

By the way, I truly hope Perry doesn’t make some desperate moves and trade away the youth movement for a couple bandaids at the trade deadline.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

9 seasons ago we had an Owner, an influential manager and multiple GMs that perpetuated a substandard drafting , international and minor league development program.

Today that is certainly NOT the case. I can’t go back in time and certainly do not want to relive it but there is no reason to ignorantly cling onto a binary system of success although I’m sure you are now yearning for the new found wonder days of the D backs, Marlins and Reds.

Open your eyes, The Doyers are proving this case right now

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Dodgers are positioning themselves to offer Ohtani a massive deal.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Good because that proves my point that we dont have to do a tear down to be competitive.

I’m glad I could straighten you out there.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I believe this is your verbose way of say that you support Perry.

I know I certainly do. I think his approach has been mostly positive.

2GA2Join
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I sure hope so.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

We could not win consistently with Trout and Ohtani in the lineup over the last 5 years, why does 21 more games matter?

It’s always something with this franchise. All this wasted time. Make best offer to Ohtani. If he declines, blow it all up with extreme prejudice.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

I copied and pasted the followings and I will do so multiple times today.

I know Phillies 2022 were in NL, but they were 46-41 at 87th game. We still have reasonable chance compared to Mets. Mets were 3.5 GM behind Braves before June, and they are 18.5 GM behind Braves after June. Mets spent whopping $380MM and will pay additional $108MM as tax.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

The 1973 New York Mets finished 82–79) and the worst record ever for a World Series champion. So yes, anything is possible. Being possible does not mean it’s probable.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

But Mr Chan is right a mediocre record team at the ASB has made to the World Series twice in the last 2 years . it can happen this year as well.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Okay, I won’t piss in his corn flakes. He can keep his dream alive that the 2023 Angels have the magic to not only make the playoffs but win a series or three.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

I revert back to that I am Shohei-therefore-Angels fan. I am only focusing on this season, unlike true, genuine Angels fan like you. So, I will keep on dreaming until Angels are mathematically eliminated. But, I promise you I will cheer as hard as any of you long time Angels fans.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Then you are not a true Angels fan which requires suffering and disappointment! 😂 Enjoy the bandwagon and hopefully you will enjoy posting next year for whatever team you are rooting for.

This is my 52nd season rooting for the Angels. So I’ll just say you have not come close to suffering.

Last edited 9 months ago by Fansince1971
BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Of course he hasn’t, but that’s not his benchmark and I respect his honesty.

Who the hell wants to be a bitter Angels fan like us?

I’m from LA
and I CHOSE
this sh*t. I’m probably the biggest masochist here. FML.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I’m just saying that being an Ohtani fan is different than being a fan of the Angels. I am all for his rose-colored-glasses approach and will miss it next year when he is rooting for another team.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Japanese newspaper sports section discussed Trout’s injury and how it would affect Shohei’s chance of accomplishing triple crown because Shohei lost the best protection. I thought the article was really insulting to Trout and Angels’ fans. Shohei himself doesn’t care about his individual accolades and he has steadfastly requested to be left alone to concentrate on contributing to the Angels.

I have written a letter of complaint and forwarded to Nikkan Sports newspaper that the written piece was extremely lacking in international neutral attitude they should’ve maintained.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Fair enough bro and I respect it. You’re entirely upfront about where your loyalties lie
and I get it.

Frankly, if Shohei signs elsewhere, I’ll root for him.
Baseball needs
him on the Big Stage.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago

21 games to trade deadline. That’s the only relevance.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Can you tease
this out a bit more? The Trout era is ending in terms of him being a “great player” entirely or do you think he leaves the Angels in some manner soon?

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I mean the era of him being an elite player. He is not really tradable so I believe he will remain an Angel for the rest of his career. But to count on him as elite and bring in free agents to attempt to win a championship with him may not be a supportable strategy anymore.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Got it. I agree and it breaks my cynical heart. I’ll always be a Mike Trout Stan.
Always.

Last edited 9 months ago by BannedInLA
MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The Mike Trout era is nowhere near close to ending as he is signed for many years to come.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Of course – what I mean is the era of him as an elite player where the focus is his ‘window’ and the need to win now for him. I could see the argument for a rebuild at this point with Trout and Rendon being the only non-tradable veterans given their contracts.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

I don’t know whether Jeff Fletcher is a wise guy, nice guy, or click bait seeking guy. I know what kind Sammy is.
https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1676294939813236737

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
RexFregosi
Super Member
9 months ago

Jo will smash the ball
and there’s Shohei Ohtani
it will be alright

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

“Smash” – this is what all the Russian & Dagastani fighters say in MMA. It sounds hilarious.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

 “The house of delusions is cheap to build but drafty to live in.”

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

Adell is on his way or probably already here since I dont know the flight schedules from Reno to San Diego

I would live to see the Angels give Trey Cabbage a shot with his LHB mixture of power and speed but I don’t see that happening yet.

I suspect there is at least one other reliever is on his way as well to the Whales Vagina considering the amount of pitches thrown by Bachman and the total ineffectiveness of Mederos. Right now these are our only RP options on the 40 man not with the team:

Gerardo Reyes
Andrew Wantz
Jimmy Herget
Kolton Ingram
Zach Weiss

Wantz and Ingram were just sent down for good reason so even though with an injury they can be called back up I dont see it. Herget is still sucking at the Great Salt Lake so that leaves Weiss & Reyes. Reyes was pretty unspectacular in his one inning of work here but has done pretty good in AAA even lately. Zach Weiss who is having the best run of all of the relievers lately even though hes had 2 lackluster appearances at the big league level this year. So expect to see one or both of these pitchers .

The only other pitcher currently on the 40 man that is not with the club or is not injured is Chase Silseth but I think the Angels believe he needs to work on his game at the minor league level. The Angels could call up a non rostered starter like Mederos or Bachman were but I think they’ve pretty much exhausted their minor league talent and Im not sure they want to experiment with another AA call up right now.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Jo Adell was 2 for 4 with HR yesterday against Tacoma Rainers. SLC Bees are supposed to have a home game against Sacramento today. So, I don’t know what flight he would take today because he probably would have been on flight to SLC by the time Trout’s injury occurred. It probably does not matter since if he is called today, he has a plenty of time to reach San Diego. There are usually lots of empty seats on 4th of July.

Cabbage was DH, hitting 3-run HR yesterday, by the way.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

More importantly Adell has walked 9 times in his last 6 games while only striking out 5 times.

If he has finally figured out the strike zone look out. he’ll be unstoppable even if his defense will be an adventure.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Where in batting order would you place Adell? Behind Sho and before Rendon?

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Bottom third initially.

Drury is returning soon, that will help.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I was thinking of Adell providing protection for Shohei, who has been IBB’d a lot lately. I cannot think of anyone else for that role on this roster. (Not Renfroe, not Moose, not Escobar). San Diego is not familiar with Adell, who would give air of X-factor, thereby increasing their chance of engaging with Shohei.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

San Diego is very aware of Adell who ironically got the game winning hit against Mr. Snell back at Petco in September 8th of 2021. (by far Packy Naughton’s best pitched game of his lackluster major League career) only to blast a monster homer the next night against Daniel Hudson in a losing cause.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And Mickey Moniak, originally from San Diego, got recalled to Phillies because of that. That’s the mystical connection. I still stick with Adell in 3 hole.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I was at the game
last night and a Padre fan next to me asked me how Moniak is doing. I told him that he’s essentially a high level platoon player that was a STEAL for the club.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

The earliest Drury can return is right after the all star but theres been total radio silence since putting him on the IL.

I could see the Angels batting him higher in the lineup before Drury’s return since most everyone outside of Shohei and Rendon has some allergic reaction to RBI’s . He batted 6th in his only game this year with Drury and Gio batting ahead of him. So I could see the Angels putting in the 5 hole but no lower than 6th.

With our Drury and Neto this lineup really suffers but against a RHP (like tonight) I could see:

Moniak CF
Ward LF
Ohtani DH
Rendon 3B
Thaiss C
Adell RF
Moustakas 1B
Escobar or Rengifo 2B
Fletcher SS

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I will give my shot.

Moniak CF
Ohtani DH/P
Adell RF
Rendon 3B
Moose 1B
Ward LF
Fletch 2B
Wallach C
Velazquez SS

Let’s go Angels! Get that close game win this afternoon.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan