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LA Angels Monday News Crash: Wacha Off

January 30, 2023

The Yankees reached an agreement with Gleyber Torres thereby avoiding arbitration. Meanwhile, Trader Jerry claims that he’s probably done adding to the Mariners roster. He’s not done deleting from the roster, though, as the Mariners just released Jason Vosler. The speculation is that Vosler is going overseas.

Michael Wacha seeks a two year deal. It looks like most teams would prefer to talk about a one year deal, though. The Mets extended Jeff McNeil for four years at $50 Million while Yandy Diaz got a three year $24 Million extension from the Tampa Bay Rays. The Rays also extended Jeffrey Springs and Pete Fairbanks. The Atlanta braves extended Brian Snitker.

The Cleveland Guardians promoted JT Maguire to the position of outfield coach.

The Angels got a couple of mentions in this article about recent trade fails. The Angels won one of the trades so it’s not all bad.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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2002heaven

1 month ago

I love haters who start a sentence with a loer kase werd……LOL.
xcuse mee

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

The Red Sox picked up a lefty reliever in a trade today.

Hopefully that takes them out of the Chafin race.

I’m building myself up here ha ha.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

The Braves picked up Magnificence Sierra…. so he’ll be an all-star and it will be and it will all be Arte’s fault.

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Mia

1 month ago

Sexy.

https://twitter.com/victorrojas/status/1620078223760719874?s=46&t=ef_6UqynJqEE-1e-3ZLTDQ

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BannedInLA

1 month ago

Reply to Mia

MosDef ready for some baseball season.

I normally say that I’m cautiously optimistic heading into each season, but I’m more than that for 2023.

This team is going to score a bunch and consistently so. Should be fun to watch….

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2002heaven

1 month ago

New MO….
I don’t reply to anybody anymore…..

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Mikeal1st

1 month ago

Reply to 2002heaven

Me either

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Cowboy26

1 month ago

Reply to 2002heaven

Thats fair we will ignore you and you can ignore us. FOREVAH.

BTW when you rec your own demented postings thats technically a reply.

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

Reply to Cowboy26

“Guest”

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Cowboy26

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

Exactly. Thats his cover.

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Mia

1 month ago

Reply to 2002heaven

Oh, don’t tease.

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red floyd

1 month ago

Reply to 2002heaven

Promises, promises.

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2002heaven

1 month ago

It’s clear that Patrick Sandoval is a slam dunk for AL Cy Young in 2023
and maybe Caleb Williams will end the USC QB rabbit hole in the NFL……keep in mind that the Astros, not us developed him otherwise we would’ve went for a infielder/OF/C who hits .100 and can’t catch a beachball………

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Eric_in_Portland

1 month ago

Reply to 2002heaven

excuse me, mr. tootie, but…”we would’ve went”??

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steelgolf

1 month ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

I think he may have declared war against the English language.

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2GA2Join

1 month ago

Was just looking at the Athletic piece with their top prospect list.
With Corbin Carroll at #1.
Taken with the pick immediately following Wil Wilson.
Yikes.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Wacha wants 2 years and $30 million.

On that note, I’d like 75 grand for my 2015 Edge. Miles aren’t too bad on it and it ran great for us last year.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Griffin Canning. Today is your day to shine.

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GrandpaBaseball

1 month ago

It is harder to whine about a trade even if you think you lost, a couple of years later than a bad Free Agent signing. In a trade like Maldonado – Sandoval, the Astros won’t complain as they got a starting defensive catcher that helped them win a lot of games. While I would expect Sandoval to continue to improve, he may have peaked. Now FA signings or extensions are different, especially the 7+ year commitment ones.

Has Trout been worth his newest deal? Was Albert worth his deal? At least we are done with Albert’s deal and Trout might just be over his IL issues and make his look good.

Trades, I love it when a deal comes through. 😀

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BannedInLA

1 month ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Re: Trout, I’d prefer it if he wasn’t playing in the world series of baseball or whatever it’s called, but I’m selfish like that.

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matthiasstephan

1 month ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Wow, that is some pessimism there. What indication is there that our 26 year old lefty ‘may have peaked’?

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halofansince1978

1 month ago

Rumors: AL club has ‘strong interest’ in Zack Britton

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rumors-trades-and-signings?t=trades-and-transactions

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Jessica DeLine

1 month ago

Reply to halofansince1978

He may be broken and done. Sounds like a great Angels pickup!

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Reply to Jessica DeLine

You’re so right. Go Perry.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to FungoAle

Let’s totally hope they sign him, then act like he’s the only reliever on the team, then hope he totally fails. Together we can do it!

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to halofansince1978

Would prefer Chafin but Britton has always gotten a ton of ground balls.

I think Eric Torres is our good lefty out of the bullpen by July.

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FungoAle

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

We said that about Claudio too

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GrandpaBaseball

1 month ago

Reply to halofansince1978

Not all that go through TJS respond the same, as some just do not make it back. Thor will possibly return this season much stronger than last season, but he tired out easily in games the second half. Britton is worth a one year deal but at what cost?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Yah. If it’s a semi-cheap contract then why not roll the dice? We may act like it around here, but he’s not going to be our only pen option. We can go ahead and see if he’s effective and, if he isn’t, it’s not like we passed on Devin Williams to take him.

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Well, we’ve had an Aussie, might as well have a Britt……

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red floyd

1 month ago

Reply to halofansince1978

And from MLBTR https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/01/angels-interested-in-zack-britton.html

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Jessica DeLine

1 month ago

Agree that we won the Sandoval trade – nice job Billy!
We lost the Iglesias trade. Getting rid of him just for salary relief was dumb and cheap – boo Perry (or really Arte).

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Nice trade link.

We clearly won the Sandoval trade.

Considering the Iglesias salary for 2022 = Esteves plus Urshela, I’m ok with the salary dump.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

The problem was he looked broken down when we traded him and revived immediately after Atlanta rostered him. The salary dump seemed okay, until that happened. Once again, I wonder why so many guys look revived right after they’re somewhere else.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Well, given that most teams have assholes for owners, my theory is bad fanbase JuJu.

The fans = the true constant in all these equations.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to MarineLayer

The article states Iggy’s peripherals were in line with his norms so he was due to bounce back.

However, Iggy’s velocity was down with us. I think he really strived on the adrenaline of the 9th inning and moving from our dumpster fire to a division race gave him that extra 1-2 MPH worth of adrenaline back.

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Bob_K

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

Your data backs up what I saw. You could totally see his confidence or lack thereof in his face. He’s an adreline junkie – thrives on high stakes. He lost motivation on a team circling the drain, and then confidence from a few bad outings. Going to a competitive team was all it took to reinvigorate him.

In the the light of Arte’s previous budgetary constraints, the trade made sense. In light of this year’s budgetary approach, the trade seems like a lost opportunity.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to Bob_K

Iglesias is set to make $16 million this year. That’s a lot for one bullpen guy on a team with multiple holes.

Meanwhile Esteves is $7 million and Urshela should come in about $10 million.

I think I’d take 2 good players over one great one right now.

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Bob_K

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

True, but if the financial cap has truely gone away, we might have had both Iggy & Esteves. Woulda, coulda, shoulda?

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Cowboy26

1 month ago

Reply to Bob_K

I think it was the other way around . he lost confidence and then we circled the drain.

Lets recap:

5/1/22 vs ChiSox Angel record 14-8 Couldn’t get out of the 9th had to bring in Tepera to get the save
5/14/22 vs Oakland Angel record 22-13 gave up walk off 3 HR.
5/18/22 vs Texas Angel record 24-15 gave up walk off HR in the 10th.
5/27/22 vs Toronto Angel record 27-19 Gave up go ahead run in the top of the 9th.

Of course from then on we spiraled into the abyss as the 5/27/22 was the 3rd game of the epic 14 game losing streak.

You know maybe it’s me but I just don’t think the closer should be such a mental patient.

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Bob_K

1 month ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Thanks for fixing my memory with facts.
Aren’t mostly all closers mental? On 2nd thought, don’t answer. I expect that you could find a bunch of examples to prove my perception wrong. Just let me live in my blissful Dunning-Kruger affected mind.

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ScoopleDoople

1 month ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Yes good reminders of those events. You made a solid point and I had forgotten.

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Jeff Joiner

1 month ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Wow. That’s bad.

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AnAngelsFan

1 month ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I do wonder if the Iglesias dump was motivated because Arte was considering whether to sell the team. If Arte was sure he was sticking around, maybe that deal doesn’t happen.

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ihearhowie3.0

1 month ago

That Trade Fail article was pretty great.

Looking forward to the farm rebounding this decade so we can outrun some mistakes when they happen. Seeing the Dodgers and Padres on there multiple times is weirdly encouraging.

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tommyshalo

1 month ago

Reply to ihearhowie3.0

Indeed even the Cardinals too.
Raisel was a dump anyway and even the dreaded Clevinger trade isn’t looking that bad nowadays.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to tommyshalo

Clevinger may have nose dived…. but are you aware that 100% of the players that don’t play for the Angels are players that play for other teams and thus are not Angels and you can be angry about every single one of them that has a good season while not playing for the Angels? When God closes a window He opens a barn door.

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

(Just frozen staring at the flashing lights)

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AnAngelsFan

1 month ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Totally agree. Even draft picks from teams ahead of the Angels in the draft are fair game.

I mean, either 1) the Angels should have lost more games to have an earlier draft pick (it isn’t like they made the playoffs) and 2) even if the Angels couldn’t have reasonably gotten a low enough draft pick to nab a particular player, they have had plenty of time to dupe other teams into trading valuable draft picks for our overrated veterans and/or worse prospects. Any failure to do one of the above is fair game for internet tantrums.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to AnAngelsFan

This is especially true since you can’t trade draft picks.

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red floyd

1 month ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I forget. Is that coming next year in the new CBA?

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Angelz4ever

1 month ago

Reply to red floyd

I’d settle for ability to “sign & trade” players like the NBA.

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MarineLayer

1 month ago

Reply to ihearhowie3.0

Yordan for crap was a real eye opener.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 month ago

Reply to ihearhowie3.0

Amen. Even if having a bunch of touted prospects doesn’t guarantee anything it DOES mean you can sucker other teams into rolling those dice in return for MLB talent and get a “mulligan” on failed trades.

You just have to have thick enough skin to be OK with the fact that sometimes prospects you trade will indeed become stars.

I’m not sure we actually have that skin around here. Actually, I’m pretty sure we don’t.