LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Deadlines

Two deadlines happen today. First it is the deadline for accepting or rejecting Qualifying Offers. Second it is the deadline to protect players from the Rule 5 draft. Here is the MLBTR list of Top 50 Free Agents. They said they would publish this last week. Better late than never.

The Angels are among the teams showing interest in Japanese right hander Kodai Senga. Somehow, no Angels appear on this list of the top 25 catchers of 2022. Shohei Ohtani appears on this list of investors who will be hurt by the FTX bankruptcy. Crypto becomes cripped-off.

The White Sox, and probably soon the Dodgers, will demand that the City of Glendale (Arizona) pony up the money for a renovation of Camelback Ranch to build an MLB mandated separate locker room for women. The Marlins now have a female President of Business Operations to go with their female General Manager.

The Royals hired Paul Hoover as a bench coach.

To nobody’s surprise, the Cubs released Jason Heyward. The Twins came to an agreement with Kyle Garlick, thereby avoiding arbitration.

Does anybody out there want to host an MLB Jr. Home Run Derby or perhaps a Pitch, Hit & Run event?

Here is that Pete Rose letter I linked about yesterday. Seth Romero got his second DWI so far this year and the Nationals released him for that.

Former big league outfielder Chuck Carr just passed away at the young age of 55.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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red floyd
Legend
20 days ago

Completely off topic… Artemis 1 launched at 10:45 PST tonight!

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Can he pitch?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
20 days ago

I see Nevin was robbed of Manager of the Year. Terry Francona won and Nevin isn’t even in the top 6!!! He must have come in 7th. The voters ignored Nevin’s 46-60 record. At least Arte and Perry recognize Nevin’s great ability and are bringing him back for 2023.

FungoAle
Super Member
20 days ago

Don’t forget, Trout likes Nevin. Sometimes, that is all it takes.

2GA2Join
Trusted Member
20 days ago

I had been thinking “well if Perry burns another QO offer again this year, hopefully he won’t be ridiculous like last year and burn it unwisely…”
If you’re going to burn the QO, then use it on something major, like Judge or Trea.

RexFregosi
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

this won’t stop PTP from signing both Judge AND Trea

FungoAle
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Agree, burn it on an imapct signing. Look what happened. Perry is a lame duck and he’ll mortgage the future.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
20 days ago

Anderson coming off a career year-39 for 3 is insane. “Who would do that!”. I ask you who is crazier. Perry, or Arte? We have been linked to Trea Turner, Jacob deGrom, Correa, and so many others it is just nuts. Anderson? for real? And losing a draft choice to boot. How is this said and done, My Gawd man come to your senses. (To PTP)
Why not re-sign Heaney? Just as Dumb. I hope the isn’t dry yet.

Last edited 20 days ago by GrandpaBaseball
AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
20 days ago

Anderson had a better season last year than any Angel starter except Ohtani and the Dodgers have enough faith in his ability to pitch well again next year to extend a QO.

This actually strikes me as the type of move that raises the floor and the ceiling. The Angels are more than 1 pitcher away from being competitive regardless of who they sign, so I don’t see anything wrong with adding Anderson.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
20 days ago

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/angels-sign-tyler-anderson.html

Looks like I’ll need to go and adjust my Perry series now!!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Biggiswrth

We’re giving up a draft choice for him?

Cowboy26
Legend
20 days ago

URGGGGGHHH another lost draft choice

How along until his Doyer magic pixie dust wears off?

Last edited 20 days ago by Cowboy26
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Cowboy26

Anderson was projected by ESPN to get 2 years / $39M. We got him for 3 years and $39M. He’s 32 and doesn’t throw hard, so he should remain healthy.

He was rated anywhere from #18 to #22 in this offseason’s FA class. This is clearly in Arte’s shopping range. Anderson should be better than Lorenzen. There’s not too much to bitch about with this signing.

Last edited 20 days ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
FungoAle
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Less than a year

Simba
Trusted Member
20 days ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

I wonder if his baseball reference W-L projections will change with his move from the Dodgers to the Angels ….

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Simba

They should – clearly the Angels do not have the defense, offense, or bullpen of the Dodgers.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
20 days ago

True, but both teams had to buy tickets to make it to the World Series.

red floyd
Legend
20 days ago
Reply to  Simba

Wins are a bogus stat anyways. Ask Kelvim Escobar, who got like NO run support most of his time with the Halos.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

I know, look at all those bums that won over 300 games in their careers, showoffs I tell ya.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
20 days ago

If I was MLB, I’d set the deadlines up sequentially so they made more sense.

Today would be the QO deadline
Tomorrow the non-tender deadline
Thursday the 40 man roster deadline

Seems like that would give teams a logical order in which to set the 40 man.

Cowboy26
Legend
20 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Agreed as knowing your needs and the available options to fill those needs would help dictate the ability to commit a 26 man roster spot to a “forgotten” prospect. I was also wondering why there is such a large time gap between setting the 40 man and the actual rule 5 draft dates. I would think that most teams already have tons of information on all the other teams “undervalued” prospects so waiting 3 to 4 weeks for the draft is kind of lost time.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Well little Jimmy, you’re just underestimating how big the ol’ US of A is. For example, if I want to check out a minor leaguer in Amarilla it’s a seven day train ride, followed by a day drivin out to his farm. Then I gotta find a place that will let me make a long distance phone call, then I call the FO, tell em what I think, then they type up an my orders, send them by wire to Western Union and proceed from there. It takes days Jimmy. And that’s just or one player.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
20 days ago

Hoping for some moves today.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Rumpidle bumpidle boopty boo today’s moves won’t ah move mah needle. I don’t understan how QOs or Rule 5 protection works. The front office is stupid.

PedroCerrano
Trusted Member
20 days ago

Oh wait, I thought rule 5 means we get the next Roberto Clemente? What about the redistribution of wealth of those too lazy or foolish to pursue their own? Surely the Angels must qualify.

Cowboy26
Legend
20 days ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Rule 5 would then mean that our GM was Branch Rickey and We know that aint the case.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
20 days ago

That letter from Rose is a lot more conciliatory than I expected. On the other hand, there is that prideful bit at the bottom “I’m the Hit-King” and the fact that he hosts a gambling podcast “Pete’s Daily picks” that suggest he isn’t truly remorseful but merely trying to say what he can to get into the Hall of Fame after living the life he wants to lead.

Gambling is a disease, but Pete Rose isn’t using his experience and fame to fight it. I would have loved to see him become an advocate for charities that fight addiction rather than generating income with a podcast that tries to help people win at gambling.

MarineLayer
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Like Bonds doesn’t do PSA’s against drug abuse and domestic violence.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
20 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

At least Bonds isn’t doing a podcast that supports drug abuse and domestic violence. Rose claims to be sorry, but he is actively using his experience as a gambler to make money by helping gamblers.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Gamblers are addicted to gambling period. Rose is a gambler. If most of us go to a Vegas resort or Indian cassino we will gamble, but also see shows, check out options for places to enjoy dinner and enjoy ourselves. We may gamble but it is to have fun and not necessarily just to lose our money at a machine or table.

Pete Rose has screwed everything he touches up because of “Feed the need”. Marriages, relationships, business adventures, and is always in need of money to feed his need.

He was paid a lot of money to use his name and likeness in South Florida for a chain of restaurants with the proviso that he visits each location X number of times each year and to interact with the folks. He would set ups tables to sit at and charge for autographs, the chain folded after 4 years.

Pete was and is a very self-centered individual and does not belong in the HoF and Bonds the same.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

“You generate punching power from the hips. You just can’t build that power, even if you take all the steroids money can buy, unless you train by punching something or someone that’s closer to your body weight. That’s why it’s wrong to hit women unless they’re bigger.”

The More You Know

  • Barry Bonds
AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
20 days ago

The last sentence is the give away that he didn’t say that. Why would he limit it to women that are bigger than him when he is bigger than most women?

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I think you fell into the sar chasm.

Bonds is a woman beating a hole, but he’s the usual type who denies beating women and gets mad when folks bring it up.

PedroCerrano
Trusted Member
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I really don’t understand how people think he should be forgiven the consequences of his actions. If you look into his life it gets worse as you dig deeper and Rose is the case study for why gambling is such a non-negotiable with MLB. He associated with the worst kind of people who would have had zero moral conflict in leveraging his gambling debt into their own unfair advantage. He’s a scum bag plain and simple who will say whatever he needs to get what he wants. Gambling on baseball isn’t something that any MiLB or MLB player is unsure on as they have preached it as a death sentence for your career since the 1920’s.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  PedroCerrano

I wonder how the teenage girl he was banging felt about gambling and baseball….

PedroCerrano
Trusted Member
20 days ago

We all did dumb things when we were young which is her excuse but…I’ve shared with my kids that integrity is rarely isolated to one failing. If you see it massively lacking in one aspect with someone you know but not another you typically just don’t know the whole story. Like I said, scum bag.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Wow. You missed the shit outa my point.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Rose is a proven liar who broke the cardinal rule in baseball as both a player and a manager.

This should bury any attempts for his reinstatement: https://thegruelingtruth.com/baseball/pete-rose-bet-reds-let-show/

toad2065
Member
20 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’ll stay away from the “gambling as a disease” argument. But I will say that MLB has lost all credibility on the issue by fully embracing gambling. How can anyone argue that baseball’s “cardinal rule” remains legitimate while they have fully climbed into the gamblers’ bed? Hypocrisy much Manfred?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  toad2065

Yeah…. just because it may be legal to gamble on baseball, or MLB may even be happy to make some money off it now, doesn’t mean they have to loudly and enthusiastically partner with gambling orgs. It’s just a little cringe.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  toad2065

Pretty easy there. I’m in no position to throw games from the stands.

Rose was in perfect position to throw games from the field and the dugout.

It is a credibility issue. Fans are no threat to the credibility or integrity of the game. We can bet. Players and managers are a threat, they can’t bet.

Angelz4ever
Trusted Member
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

With all the A–holes in the Baseball (And other) Hall of Fame(s), Pete did his time and admitted it (Finally). If a psycho (But apparently NOT RACIST) Ty Cobb made it into the BBHOF, Charlie Hustle needs to be there too.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
20 days ago

For the Angels to compete, Adell and Moniak need to be in AAA (which means signing a 3rd and 4th OF), Rengifo needs to be a utility IF (sign a SS), they need and Trout/Rendon need to be healthy and/or a good backup for 3B/1B, and the Angels need a better season from Fletcher/Walsh, especially if Ward slides back.

That’s 2 solid signings (SS/OF), 1+ depth signings (OF/3B), and quite a bit of “luck” (health). And then there’s the pitching.

Cowboy26
Legend
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

You forgot about the 2 additional starting pitchers and 5 new bullpen arms we need to find.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
20 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I did?

“And then there’s the pitching” ….

Cowboy26
Legend
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

So crystal clear…And then there’s the coaching…..

Never the less, after Friday, assuming the Angels tender contracts to all of their arbitration eligible players (other than Touki) we will need to fill the remaining 26 man roster with anywhere from 13 to17 players from our minor leagues or from outside the organization. (we will have commitments to Trout, Ohtani, Rendon, Stassi, Loup, Tepera, Fletcher, Barria, Walsh, Canning, Rengifo, Ward & Sandy)

Some of these roster filler players are pretty obvious since they are established, seem ready or are out of options. Players like Herget, Detmers, Suarez, Quijada, O’Hoppe & Thaiss fit the bill. but You and I are in agreement that many of these spots will need to come from outside the organization to the tune of 8 to 10 players.

Thats a lot of work to be done to be able to claim we’re not that far off as Perry has. So skepticism is running deep.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Well, Moniak and Adell both have an option left, so I guess it’s possible, but if you sign a “real needle moving” OF then you have given up on these two guys cause you have to play them at some point to figure out if you’re going to keep them since you have this season to decide that.

It’s kind of a trap because you can sign “good” and lose two prospects you hope work out or you can sign crap to hold down the fort and send said prospects to AAA…. but how much better is crap than the prospects?

I’d say sign a defensively useful OF and tell the MiniYak and Jo that they are gonna compete for playing time. The guy who is best in ST goes to the Heim, the loser heads to SLC. If the guy in SLC is killing it and the guy in Anaheim is flat then they’ll swap. And so on. The guy you sign is “all time defensive/4th OF” off the bench.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
20 days ago

I wasn’t thinking a superstar OF. I’d like a consistent veteran on a short-term contract who could be moved at the deadline if Adell and/or Moniak are tearing it up in AAA. Granted, I haven’t really looked at the FA market to see if there is anyone that would fit that bill, but I’m not the GM, so I’m allowed to have pipe dreams without doing my research.

cookmeister
Member
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

what’s up with the Rengifo hate? He was arguably one of our top 3-4 players last year finally getting full playing time.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  cookmeister

But what if I really wanted a 300M free agent? Then obviously Rengifo bad.

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
20 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

I don’t hate Rengifo, he put together the best season of any of the Angels’ infielders last year. But good teams have depth. Fletcher and Rengifo are both 2B, so it makes more sense to sign a SS and make Rengifo a heavily-used utility player than it does to move Rengifo or Fletcher to SS.

Chone Figgins played 148 games at 6 positions in 2004. There is no reason Rengifo can’t get 140 games as a backup for 2B/3B/SS, especially given Fletcher’s and Rendon’s injury histories. Having Rengifo available to step in and cover an injury keeps the Angels competitive all season.

In contrast, if Rengifo is a starter and the Angels sign someone worse than him to be the util player, the lack of quality depth would mean even 1 infield injury could have a big effect on the Angels’ chances.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Agreed. We need an infielder who is at least as good as Fletcher and Rengifo. There’s a good shot Rengifo, at age 26, is just now hitting his prime and will be a good player. There’s also a shot we saw his career year.

One of Fletcher or Rengifo needs to be the utility guy next year. Or at least bring in a guy like Wendle to where we have three good but no great guys.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

WTF is wrong with Perry? What deep dark need does he have to say really stupid things are are unsupportable with any reasonable interpretation of the results and data?

This continued fascination with stating to the media that “the Angels are close” to winning savages any remaining credibility he has. If he’s leading baseball operations currently as an audition for the new owner, he’s really not grasped the reality of what leadership is…..

Thank goodness Sam Blum is there to call “bullshit” on the nonsense.

https://theathletic.com/3894695/2022/11/14/angels-perry-minasian-offseason/?amp=1

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LAS VEGAS November 14 — There are several reasons the Angels will not trade Shohei Ohtani this offseason. The owner doesn’t want to with a pending sale. The team wants to sign him to an extension. His presence sells tickets and merchandise and surely pumps in oodles of advertising money.

There’s also what Angels general manager Perry Minasian said when speaking at the GM meetings last week.

“We don’t feel like we’re that far away — we don’t. That’s the biggest reason,” Minasian said, referring to why the Angels are keeping Ohtani. “I think we’re closer than what our record might show to competing.”

It’s worth exploring whether there’s any merit to such a claim, especially if this thinking influences how the Angels will make offseason decisions.

There’s important context to Minasian’s comment. He acknowledged, as he has many times, there’s a need for more depth. The front office, he said, needs to “fill in the blanks.” There’s a lot of talent and, he believes, the potential for a much better team when healthy.
Minasian acknowledged that there are needs. That there are holes to fill. But by stating that the Angels are better than what everyone can see, he perhaps put them behind the eight ball for actually building a roster capable of sustained success.

“If we accomplish what we hope to accomplish and prove depth and do some things to help that middle part of the roster, (then) if we do encounter an injury here and there, we’ll be able to handle it better,” Minasian said when asked why he felt his team was better than its record.

The Angels were 73-89 last season and certainly played like a team that was 16 games below .500.

A 162-game schedule doesn’t leave much room for a team to play significantly better or worse than its record. Maybe a 17-game NFL schedule might leave an 11-loss team feeling burned if five losses were by three points or fewer. But that’s not how baseball works, typically.

And the Angels have no reason to believe they’re significantly better than their record showed. They haven’t had a winning season since 2015.

Read the rest on the Athletic…..

Last edited 20 days ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
Angelstan
Member
20 days ago

Perry is supposed to be optimistic when speaking in public. Plus the argument about being better than looked goes with the injuries to Trout and Rendon along with the toxic culture that resulted in a 14 game losing streak in the middle of the season via infighting between the manager and GM. The story would be without all of that, the team might be able to make a playoff run. It’s not impossible. They need to fill the gaps in the lineup. They need to bring in additional reliable pitching. Having some additional arms from the minors blossom and be ready this year in the bullpen would really help. Perry is allowed to dream.

FungoAle
Super Member
20 days ago

Senator…you have my vote. Nice post and reading this is the reason why I believe the Angels will fall back to 4th in the division. Ranges and Mariners are not satisfied (aka…”better than our record”) and will be players this offseason.

Perry is in denial. No less than a week after Jeff’s interview, Perry stated exactly what Sam was commenting on.

Last edited 20 days ago by FungoAle
GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

So how do you really feel about PTP, don’t hold back now as it might back up your whole system.  😄 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

I’m too GA to find it, but the Rangers new GM literally said they are better than their record when he was promoted if I remember right.

Fansince1971
Legend
20 days ago

This is why I have lost a lot of interest in the team. There are like six 1,000 lb gorillas in the room and none of them are acknowledged. Worse, they act like none of them smell or have eaten all the bananas or taken dumps all over the place. The whole Org acts as though the hole is not that big in the skin of the Titanic that is the Angels Org.

I can live with and support a mediocre team that acknowledges its faults and works to fix them.

I can even live with and support a bad team that publicly commits to a rebuild.

What I cannot live with or support is a consistently mediocre team that views itself as ‘nearly good’ and continues the status-quo.

PedroCerrano
Trusted Member
20 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Reminds me of a Dennis Miller bit about the lookout in the crow’s nest on the Titanic who was snapping selfies of himself on his iphone as they approached the iceberg. “Nothing to see here, move along and try not to step in the gorilla poop”.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

Please, tell me more about these mediocre teams that publicly acknowledge all their faults, providing their fans with the closure and validation they need to live a richer fuller life. Starting with the team’s names would be nice.

MarineLayer
Super Member
20 days ago

Maybe he’s just as stupid as he appears to be, as evidenced by his wildly unsuccessful tenure as Arturo’s errand boy.

Last edited 20 days ago by MarineLayer
ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
20 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Arturo’s errand boys weirdly have success before and after their time in Anaheim. It’s almost like being able to do what they want is an important part of evaluating if they’re worth a damn.

But in Perry’s case, the book was out on the Angels front office problems when he interviewed. There is no surprises here like there was for Dipoto. So in the end it is on Minasian to succeed with the issues he was fully aware of when he interviewed.

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
20 days ago

As a supporter of PTP since his arrival, I now am sliding back with such support. I still believe that it has been an Arte issue for a long time that the team seems stuck where it is, But PTP is either a bit slow or is dilutional or just does not want to talk out of turn. If Arte wants to really win this whole thing and get top dollar for his team, get us a “Real” GM like the Phillies did or give PTP more assets to work with. “71” said it best, acknowledge that faults and fill the voids.

Cowboy26
Legend
20 days ago

Hey DD is not a GM he’s a POBO. Them are fightin’ words.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

Mark it down. Today we have learned (from someone other than Tootie) that Dombrowski is “real”.

More to come.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Wow. That’s a lot of over think for “Our GM said what every GM of a meh team says when he has to explain the state of the team to a reporter.”.

Why? Short of a full rebuild have you seen other GMs and POBOEIEIOs and Special Executive Presidents of Baseball Thoughts come out and say “Our team’s just not very good and we are really far away. I mean we have NEEDS. Most of our players are total shit like Mayfield or glass pussies like Trout and Rendon. Now let me read you this list of players I am desperate to sign along with the names of the agents I will be grabbing my ankles for….”

Actually, I wish there was a GM of BO of AEIOU out there who would nut up and just say “Well, I’ve got some work to do, but my thoughts on the team, and my plans for this off season, are none of anyone’s business. I’m gonna go do my job now. It doesn’t help me at all if the fans know what I’m doing or thinking, I don’t give a shit what they think because it doesn’t change my job any, and you can all f*** off till I have something I want to tell you.”

Cause you know who’s dumber, more useless and more meddlesome than THE MARKETING DEPARTMENT? Fans and journalists who need something to write. Win = Fans Happy = Just ignore them and do your job. Fail = Fan sad/mad = Just ignore them + adjust + try again. It’s just not that hard to guess what the fans will do. When has a fanbase ever surprised a front office? Let the fans do their fan shit and do your job Perry. We could literally light Trout and Ohtani on fire this winter but if we win a World Series in 2024 the fans will be pleased as punch for the most part.

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