LA Angels Monday News Crash: Normal Offseason

Perry Minasian says he expects a normal offseason, notwithstanding the pending sale of the team whenever that happens.

Cleveland, Philadelphia and Seattle won their respective series on Saturday. The Padres won on Sunday. For the Blue Jays, to add injury to insult, George Springer crashed into Bo Bichette and is injured. They don’t yet know how bad it is. Ryan Helsley of the Cardinals was out of the last game of their season with numbness in his fingers. Right now they are talking about trying some kind of laser therapy rather than resorting to the dreaded thoracic outlet surgery. We’ll see how it goes. Joely Rodriguez had a shoulder problem and was replaced by Taijuan Walker before the Mets forced their game 3 with the Padres.

The Padres are interested in extending Yu Darvish. Jacob deGrom may consider staying with the Mets and Steve Cishek may retire. The Dodgers selected right hander Beau Burrows and sent shortstop Jacob Amaya to the 60 day IL.

The Tigers continue shaking things up. They fired their Amateur Scouting Director Scott Pleis. Royals bench coach Pedro Grifol is drawing some interest as a potential Manager for a couple of teams.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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nishiogawakun
Super Member
1 year ago

https://angelsnation.com/mlb-rumors-angels-expected-to-sell-within-the-next-few-months-for-record-price/2022/10/10/

Is it wrong that I’m way more into this than which dumpster dive reclamation project pitcher we roll the dice on? Who knew “billionaries spending billions” could be kinda fun to watch, not ironically!

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

I have my popcorn and am watching intently! To me this is the first domino before anything else.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Man, it would be cool if the team sold fast, just to get a plan rolling ASAP. Still, I’m not sure it’s gonna be that fast a sale. The stadium issue would put me off a little and 2.5 billion is a lot of money…. which means probably more than one person buying… which means people will have to “reach a consensus” and other bullshit that makes things work like crap. USA Today, also known as News 4 The Stoopid, telling me they think it’ll sell fast doesn’t convince me. No reason to be sure it won’t, but no reason to be sure it will either. The Mets, Nationals etc sure didn’t close fast.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago

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Art*ro’s two finalists to replace Perry
Top guy “Bobby Pellitt” (Colin Farrell Horrible Bosses…..His famous line “I want you to fire all the fat people!”).
Allstate Insurance commercial “Mr Mayhem” (Dean Winters).
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

Is this happening because Farhan Zaidi just hired a West Virginia grad as his new GM? Is your nose bleeding right now? Do you smell feathers burning?

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I have spent a lot of time following the minor league system and I think it’s important not to discount the job Perry did with building up the A and AA squads. He absolutely tried to place all the best prospects there to build culture.

Now one thing that’s making a lot of news about Perry is that he aggressively promotes the players but I think it’s deeper than that.

For years we’ve known that AAA doesn’t give a good evaluation of hitters because it’s so hitter friendly. Likewise, High A Tri City and that whole league is like death to hitters. It’s such an extreme between those two stops which is why I wonder if that’s why player development is wonky.

I am very curious if guys like Livan Soto, Zack Neto, DiCharia, Jackson and Adams will go to AAA, or if they’ll stay in AA to get a more “true” reading.

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

What is more impressive is that AAA had really good pitching numbers this season, which is indicative that they are working on an organizational wide philosophy (sliders!) and frankly doing the thing others orgs do. SP was good at ML, AAA, AA and A.

That being said, I think slow the roll on Bachman who might be done as starter and good lord on Canning. There’s other guys coming in.

Bush & Silseth are going to show up. Perry could roll the dice on a Mason Erla for a start or two. Davis Daniel never got a chance. I think they’re better off chasing a Rodon and a closer type, but not a famous one that’s going to cost big money.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DMAGZ13

Your blasphemy has been noted. You clearly love Arte.

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VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Ya but most of the up and coming prospects are in AA and there was a pitching coached who helped out Detmers and night and day difference. Personally the coaches at the majors need to go. But since it’s business as usual until the sale, it is what it is. When you salary dump, that’s when you sneak in projects. Halos could’ve done more, but they did ok with some. TBD

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Minor correction: Salt Lake home field is a small field, the league is not hitter friendly.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Huh? Las Vegas is not hitter friendly? Or how about Alburcrackee? or even the Reno Aces ballpark? There are. handful of Pitchers parks like Sacramento and Tacoma but overall its a hitter friendly league

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

I believe that Marine Layer, Jack Frost, 2002heaven and myself should play PTP and when we get to “What would you do if you were PTP” tell everyone what we think. If being GM of the Angels is so damn easy and you think you can do better than Perry, then but if down so we can read it next year. Read last years i8deas before at Charles Sutton post and ck out what was posted last year. Only one thought that Ward should be RF’er, Detmers was listed only twice as a starter.

Everyone had Walsh at 1B, some crazy ideas about SS. Not one had a decent back up at 3B or CF but neither did PTP. One even had Rengifo as a starting SS even though he is one of the worst fielders in MLB.

I really enjoyed reading what everyone came up with, it just showed had hard making the right choices just is.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

For my IIWPTP this year I’m just gonna spazz a bunch of crap out about “must win season” and “commitment” and then declare that this is why, surely, the payroll MUST be raised to 230M. Then I’m gonna list out around 8 free agents I want signed, but the contracts I’ll put them at will be far shorter and cheaper than said players will sign for.

Then I’m gonna type GET IT DONE! at the end.

That should take care of that.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

“This is the way”. 👤 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

we have spoken.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
1 year ago

My issues were situational hitting, poor lineups, lack of trade creativity, and lack of urgency. Add crappy defense and chemistry coaches/front office. Plenty of signs and time to turn it around and the Angels failed in so many ways. That falls on leadership. The excuses Perry made seemed like he found out about the struggles as they were under.500 when evidence was there way before. He was not prepared when they struggled nor did he do anything remotely positive outside of OHoppe. Philly made that call, NOT Perry.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago

What I would do if I was Perry Minasian…..

look for a different position in another Org.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

he should just resign
He spent money and we got worse than 2021

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

You should just resign.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago

We’re always a day late and a buck short
CB26 just said that the Mets wanna look into hiring David Stearns from the Brewers instead of Art*ro’s legion of incompetent baseball people plus his own crippling meddling. The man veto’s a trade and he always looking for a damm scapegoat (Joe Maddon, Brad Ausmus, Billy Eppler to fall on the sword for him in public……….nice that Fred Roggin finally reported this when news broke of the impending sale). Yes the Orioles also weren’t afraid to hire somebody away from the Astros (CTPG 80%ers would never have approved of this unless the said potential hire is helping old ladies across the street instead of spraying people’s lawns with bleach.). GOOD GAWD!!!! LET’S BUILD A DAMM FARM SYSTEM ALREADY!!

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Are you slightly more off the rails because the Browns blow?

Step away from following the that soul sucking franchise…..they will make a person like you crazier.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

They have the same problem we have.
Bad ownership……which usually tend to hire bad people.

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Don’t disagree……and they are both cursed. Don’t know how or why. Can’t explain it, can’t fix it. Just learn to deal with it’s never ending twist and turns of mindless losing year after year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

GO STEELERS!…. oh… poop.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

It should be an easy fix, should take a least overnight.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago

MLBTR now has Arbitration figures out for next year. Here they are:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/10/mlb-projected-arbitration-salaries-2023.html

Assuming no-one from this group is released I come up with 147.1 Million to go towards 14 of the 40 man rostered players . That leaves about 55 million to fill out the roster with 16 additional MLB players and free agents/trade acquisitions. So I think we could afford another Archie Bradley, Thor & Lorenzen trio of Not ready for Prime Time Players in 2023

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That’s awesome!!!
Wow can’t wait for #8 consecutive losing season to start
BTW that puppy eating guy in Seattle has a team payroll of under $120M as opposed to our $180M.
ONCE AGAIN……..KUDO’S TO BILLY EPPLER’S PREDECESSOR!!!
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Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Or leave us all for good and avoid the misery.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I hear Halos Heaven is allowing comments again. 🤣

steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I would look to sign Lorenzen.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I think we will . Loki and his wife want to be here. Even if the Angels go back to a 5 man rotation I could see him coming back.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

He’d make a really good “options” pitcher. He can be in the rotation if we want that, but if we get more guys in the rotation, we can put him in the pen too. He’s a former Red, so I know that he drops his velocity a lot when he’s starting. Out of the pen the dude cracks 100 MPH fairly often. Either is useful as long as we are paying him a modest amount.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 year ago

The issue with Lorenzen is he has trouble staying healthy. Putting that aside, the Angels tried him as a starter and got reasonably competent performance when he was healthy. So it may be hard to re-sign him to an Angels-friendly deal.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Angelstan

Who on the Angels doesn’t have trouble staying healthy?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

We here have often referred to our Angels salary cap directed by Moreno. Any wavering from that said number goes through him and as far as we are aware he works with the GM in who is traded or signed. The belief here has often been stated or implied that the Angels spending cap has been tied to income the team pulls down.

With attendance slipping at home games and that possibly could be tied to 2023 self-imposed salary cap. With less fans coming in and less food, drink, and ball caps being purchased brings me to ask if that has an influence on 2023 salaries. Ohtani got a raise of 17-20 million from 2022. So even with Thor and JUp off the books, PTP is going to have to bring in scrubs, minor league hopefuls, waiver wire dropouts. All this to stay in budget and then we collectively will complain about how bad a job PTP is doing.

The hope will lay in Trout and Rendon staying healthy. Fletcher and Walsh returning to their best. Ward repeating. Troutani having MVP seasons. Pitching even better than 2022. It has happened before that teams turn it around in just one season. ’67 Bosox, ’69 Mets, ’88 Dodgers and others than you Fans will come up with. So now all is negative no more than you want it to be.

Personally, I would like to see Swanson signed, but Soto and Squid at short most likely fits the budget better.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
1 year ago

SOunds a lot like last year.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago

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3rd rd 2018 MLB Draft………meanwhile Jeremiah Jackson (2018 2nd rd pick) sighting on the back of a milk carton? To answer Eric from Portland CR started becoming a good player commensurate with Brandon Marsh unbecoming one and into a……..yes another utility player. Gotta hope Logan O’Hoppe can be half as good a player as this guy.
 💪  💪  💪  💪 ……nice job once again GPD!!

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cookmeister
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

You know who else passed on this guy?

The Mariners

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Why is he hitting HR’s for the Mariners then?
How did they get him trade, rule 5, UFA? He’s with them and NOT WITH US……..
INCREDIBLE JOB BY GPD!!! 💪  💪  💪  👈 

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RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

we signed SHOHEI and no one else did LOL! 😎 

FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Billy Eppler >> Jerry Dipoto

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Billy Eppler will be lucky to keep his job after the Mets meltdown. Cohen will be hiring a real POBO this offseason.

FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Eppler got Shohei to Anaheim, beat down Jedi. That was my post.

And I don’t agree it was a “meltdown,” Braves kick-assed the final 2-months. Shades of 2021. Eppler is not going anywhere. Or maybe Zack Minasian, right? Some folks here thinks our Per-Per walks on water.

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Its not what you and I think its what Steven Cohen thinks and hes already stated that the Mets are going to hire a POBO this offseason. supposedly, this is the guy they’re targeting: https://wisportsheroics.com/questions-surrounding-the-contract-of-david-stearns-may-indicate-2022-is-his-last-year-with-brewers/

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FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah, you’re right. They need to backfill Alderson so that could spell doom for Eppler. But I dont think Eppler, “failed.” Max blew a tire and Musgrove was lethal last night. Perry had his chance at Musgrove, local SoCal native, but was chasing Quintana and Fowler.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yeah, Max was not healthy.

Plus, in addition he is getting up there in years. The wear and tear could be catching up to him. That was probably a good pass for the teams that did not pursue him as a FA, us included.

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Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

But who pursued Max to sign a 3 year/$130,000,000 that runs through 2024?

I wonder if Billy takes the heat for that one.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

All I can remember is how half the people on this site could barely conceal how in heat they were to consummate a deal with Max if only Arrrrrteeee cared about whining… winning enough.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

You seriously think PTP had the trade pieces to compete with the Padres to land Musgrove and just didn’t “get it done” huh.

FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago

Yes, Perry has no stones outside of cutting Upton, Granpa and firing “I’m Mad” Maddon. Canning, Marsh, Adele, Paris Jackson (two people), or whatever…make it happen. No excuse. Looking back now, of course, Marsh and Adele are not as sexy. One is dating Rich Paul.

Padres gave up Joey Lucchesi, Bednar and a couple other entities. Sheesh. Just way too many folks on this sight just fall in love with prospects.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

How is saying we didn’t have the prospects to out offer the Padres “falling in love with prospects”?

We didn’t have a Lucchesi or Bednar to trade, much less having them well down our prospect list. If we had matched that package a team like the Padres (back then) could just drop another better prospect into their offer.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Lucchesi? Bednar? All PTP needed to do was get a butter knife and hang out at the stables after dark, and Musgrove would have been a Halo. However PTP was too GA to get it done.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

It’s Pittsburgh. Let’s be honest, all he had to do was offer them a truck load of fresh veggies. They never see that. Those people consider fruit cocktail in jello to be a vegetable.

Twebur
Legend
1 year ago

It’s not about the the trade pieces to compete…..

It’s about wanting it more and who has more Grit and Fire. That’s what gets things done. It all about the magical thinking. Want it, get it.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Really, GM’s are stupid? So if the Yankees and the Dodgers both want Ohtani, it’s not the team offering the best package in return, but if the MFY GM is more persistent, he gets Shohei and not the Dodgers who have the better offer?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I for one refuse to believe our GM is doing a good job building the team until our team has been to a couple World Series. Then I’ll be willing to hear people’s theories on how what our GM is doing COULD get us to a World Series if our GM keeps building the team.

And I will still want a POBO because they are totes different from a GM.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

We need a “POBO the Clown” type leading the franchise

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

Pretty much. If I want to win bad enough to eat babies and burn fields full of puppies then it doesn’t matter if I actually have as much of what a team wants in trade as other teams.

This is why I’ve always advocated for the “send mafia thugs” version of making free agent offers.

But Arte just doesn’t care about winning and PTP is a child who knows nothing about baseball compared to fat twats on the interwebs. So they ignore me.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Does anybody in your opinion draft perfect?

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

You just proved that your not so secret Secret Lover Jer Jer is a shitty drafter & talent evaluator ( Roberto Baldoquinn says hi! from his $10,000,000 mansion) and has to hoodwink other organizations with trading away his trash to build any type of successful team.

I’m glad you finally figured out who the Real Dipoto is. Something we have all known for quite awhile now.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  2002heaven

Why is DOUG wearing a Mariners uni instead of a green sweater vest and why do we care about not drafting him?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 year ago

This is the best part of the year for Perry. He can make it appear he knows what he’s doing, give the impression that he’ll take care of what’s needed, and doesn’t have to actually do anything because he can’t at this time.

The store isn’t open yet. We can imagine him buying just the right low priced presents for us. Later, when he gives us Tuckers and Wades and Selmans we’ll be disappointed but for now we can picture something better.

As for big splashes, I think we might get something equivalent to Thor. Ohtani will get Upton’s money so there *is* enough cash for one possibly fantastic signing on another one year deal.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago

He won’t.
Because we’re not Atlanta and he isn’t Alex Anthopoulos.
HE FAILED OVER HERE…….

admkir
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Is there a new owner yet???
LOL

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

On no, a normal Minasian off-season means not filling gaping holes at SS and LF, and the front end of the starters, and more bad signings like Loup and Tepera.

Last edited 1 year ago by MarineLayer
matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Since we still have Loup and Tepera on the roster, maybe we can avoid bad spending in the pen this year? (Fingers crossed).

The pen looks currently like (in no order): Loup, Tepera, Herget, Quijada, Barria, Wantz, Weiss, Zastrysny.

We might have depth in the minors (Ortega, Peguero, Marte) or coming off injury (Warren, Chris Rodriguez) or we could use prospects in the pen (Bachman, Bush).

Do we need big name/money signings here?

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I’m not going to fault Perry for Loup and Tepera. I think all of us here were very happy with his signing at the start of the year. The blame here goes to the players themselves. They are accountable. Loup started out really well and then fell off a cliff during the “depression” of the streak that dares not be talked about again. I personally think they will bounce back and think the pen can turn into something good with our young pitchers coming up.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Demand better out of the FO. I never liked signing two junk ballers to anything but low cost one year deals. I prefer the guys who throw the ball very hard. I’d rather use the money on quality SP or finding a real SS, which Minasian cheated out on.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  MarineLayer

Demand more from baseball fans who demand more from an FO.

What do you think the Raisel Iglesias FA signing was?

Also, PLEASE do an If I Were Perry The Platypus this off season. Everyone is always really curious to see what the sites loudest complainers and demandachamp minds would recommend for the off season moves.

Usually it’s just a bunch of bitching about the realistic payroll limit the masthead comes up with that we all have to abide by…. then they go all hypothetical and raise their payroll by 30M…. and still have shitty ideas.

Show us what you’ve got in the can this winter baby. Can’t wait to see it.

Also of note, my IIWPTP from last winter would have been a disaster…. it’s just a fun exercise and shows who puts actual thought into their complaints about the roster and how hard it is to actually “get it right”.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

I’m too GA to actually check, however it would be fun to see which IIWPTP from last year had the highest probability for making a positive difference.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I was wondering the same thing. I actually saw my notes from last winter in Google Drive and was like “ooof. not good.”.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Ohhhhh man. Shirts off no make up! Let the uglyfest begin!

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago

How about he just resign this time?
that stupid 20 janitor draft picks from last year’s 2020 MLB Draft was damm absurd. We need to go hire a POBO and not a guy like Colin Farrell’s character in the “Horrible Boss’s” movie.
 💪  💪  💪 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  2002heaven

I still can’t wait to see your IIWPTP too smart guy. Till you do one the only thing I hear coming out of your mouth is a bunch of weird butt sounds…. like a moist ass on a leather couch…. but dumber. BYE!

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I went over the old IIWPTPs….

Mine was horrible. Other than getting Tyler Anderson it was basically me trading every breakout guy we had this year for a bunch of guys who totally shit the bed.

It looks like Jeff’s plan might have done OK, some hit’s some misses, team probably would have been better but not great.

HT Ennis had us trade for Dylan Floro and Nestor Cortes. He also had us start Gary Sanchez at catcher and sign Trevor Story and Alex Cobb… he also had us using Cortes as a starter… so we’d have to see how all that goes.

The strongest entries (to me) were JHW and Fan71 I think, though I doubt the Dodgers really trade everything Fan71 has them trading to us.

Everybody elses was just meh. Lot’s of good and failed additions mangled together.

What I totally failed to see in most of these was the plan that was going to get us the pitching we had this year, not gut the farm, get us a real SS AND was prepared in March for injuries to Rendon, Fletcher, Trout, Ward et al. I must have just not seen that one….

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

they didn’t look terrible overall – the SP was improved, everyone was concerned

everyone was keeping Rendon, Stassi, Trout, Walsh – just bad luck there.

bonus points for keeping Giffy/Ward around and/or for trying to get something for Adell.

and if you picked up someone who could have filled in for Rendon, that would have made a huuuugge difference.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

The starting pitching wasn’t as improved as CTPG 80%ers wanna believe.
Keep in mind that batting avg across the board since the 2020 pandemic season fell off a cliff.. Luis Arraez wins the 2022 batting crown with just a .316 BA. Nobody’s hitting over .330 anymore maybe banning the shift is the answer. However I’m not on board with proclaiming Tucker Davidson, Chase Silseth, and most of all Patrick Sandoval as very good……only Reid Detmers holds future promise to me because after all we couldn’t screw up the #10 pick in the 2020 MLB Draft..

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I’d love to do it again if y’all don’t mind.

FungoAle
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Yep, Exhibit A: Cleveland Indians and Tampa Bay Devil Rays.

#SexyBullpens.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Once again, didn’t we all thought that our Bullpen was supposed to be our strength 6 mths ago?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  2002heaven

Made Sweden into a great European power. Was not drafted by the Angels. Is still anxiously waiting to see your IIWPTP post this winter….

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2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago

Sweden hasn’t been a great power since the Vikings (Husqvarna, Volvo, Ikea).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  2002heaven

Nope. You sir are underinformed and wrong.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Yes, totally agree. A junkballer might have been good for half of a season when the LOOGY was still a thing. Now, not so much. Loup was a stupid signing. Some people said we all liked that at the time. I was not in fact crazy about that move at the time, for the very reason you stated.

I want my high leverage guys throwing 95 mph +. In fact, I would LOVE to get a guy who could throw 100 mph + with good control like Emmanuel Clase. He is a big reason the Guardians are where they are at right now.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I completely agree. It seems like Minasian reads the back of a baseball card and pays for last year. It’s interesting because he claims to be so high on advanced metrics.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  MarineLayer

Who was the FA he signed that was just good in 2021 again?

And have YOU actually looked them up?

h27kim
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Yes. It’s not exactly fair to blame PTP for Tepera and Loup since they were exactly the kind of players we wanted (in fact, several pointed to one, the other, or both of them by name as whom we should sign.). More reminders that BP is unpredictable.

The lineup is where the concern should be.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  h27kim

Unpredictable is something you need to predict and plan for or you’re just not trying to win. I also won’t allow anyone to feel optimistic until we win a pennant.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

If you look at playoff teams, we need two more ace types to add to Ohtani. If you think we can lock down playoff games with Jimmy Herget and the rest of this group,you are more optimistic than me.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Cool. IIWPTP…. show us how to get it done.

h27kim
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

It’s not gonna happen within 5 years without an aggressive in-house scouting/ development program or the new owner being able to expand the budget by 100 mil, and even then, unclear.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

what has struck me so far about these playoff teams and their #1/2+ starters?
Shohei is better than ALL of them except Verlander.

But yeah, we need a #1A ace too.

The Padres and Guardians are onto the LDS precisely because they had two-three shutdown guys, not just one.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Perry put faith in Thor being that second ace. It was a roll of the dice and didn’t work out.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Yeah, going into 2023 with Herget tagged as the closer in malpractice

Cowboy26
Legend
1 year ago

Next year Austin Warren should be healthy so he will compete. we will also be adding Murphy, Joyce, Silseth, Ingram and Torres to the pen mix. Kenyon Yovan is also a dark horse Troy Percival type candidate that could be added. Bachman will probably end up in the pen if he’s healthy while I anticipate Bush competing for a starting job.

So I really doubt there will be any more blow pen signings other than minor league signings. What you see is what we get.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Rodriguez and canning should be available too. Canning should be a bp guy imo.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Canning isn’t going to be offered a contract at this point. You can count his Arb money as a positive when he is DFA’d

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

If hes healthy, For a million bucks I’d take that risk.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Tepera was not that bad when you rack and stack against the arms from last year.

.202 BA, 1.08 WHIP. I’ll smoke that all day long. Problem was that is control waned a little bit.

Happy to bring him back as he was one of the real few in on the Winker and Crawford brawl. I like the moxie.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

So you are saying, we need a SS, LF and two front end starters and we need to do this when trying to sell the team. Plus as an extra bonus we have three players that take up over one hundred million of our 185 million total payroll. Good luck with that, I think we are going to need Houdini as our general manager. We might be able to get one of SS, LF or number 2 starter, just maybe if everything breaks our way.

You have to be realistic which were we are at, selling the team will most likely put the brakes and my big signings or transactions. We might a a few million to pickup one 2nd level free agent so you will have to take a pick of where you want to spend your money SS, LF or maybe a number 2 or 3 starter. If we trade some of our talent in the minors (there are very few of these) we might be able to get a depth piece or two.

In many other posts folks have pointed our that Loup and Tepera where not bad signing, the results were not as desired, but you are not going to be able to get a high level closer for the money we had to spend.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Dogface1956

We signed IGLESIAS people.

IGLESIAS was our big free agent signing. Loup and Tepera were extra fluff.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Yes I realize that we re-signed Iglesias, I was referring to new additions to the team.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Dogface1956

But we DID get a high level closer for the money we had to spend. He was an FA. We signed him. It cost us a chunk of our money.

FungoAle
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1 year ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Need a 1st baseman too. One that will not strike out 33% of the time.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Again how are we going to get all these players, SS, LF, IB and two starting pictures, but a few bullpen arms. I would love to see how we are going to get all these players.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Dogface1956

Neewwwwwww Ownerrrrrrr! There’s no way they’ll buy the team for 2.5B and then want to also make that money back as soon as they can!

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red floyd
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1 year ago

Dammit now I have to choose between the Latte Sippers and the Trashstros.

[flips coin]

GO GIANT METEOR!!!!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  red floyd

I want to unleash the AssTros like a Kraken. Destroy Seattle’s hopes and dreams, then beat the crap out of the Yankees who, while likely also cheating back then, got “robbed” of a certain WS title by the Trashstros. Let Dominic from Red Bank, NJ eat a bag of dix. Then let the Trash either lose to an NL team or beat the Doyers so all the baby daddies can get a new teardrop tattoo and casting agents can program their Teslas to get them home while they have a good cry.

Fck the world. Go Astros.

Unless Cleveland can pull off a miracle…. that’d be great. It’s also fun to watch the Astros lose to NL teams other than Duh Doyers.

DowningDude
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1 year ago

Can you imagine a CLE-SEA ALCS? The ratings would completely tank.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago

Minasian says he doesn’t believe payroll is an issue and then said:

“I think it’s similar to how we’ve operated in the past,” Minasian said. “It’s opportunities, right. So what opportunities are out there and what we feel like are the right moves, and we’ll present those opportunities to ownership.”

So basically, per Perry, it’s business as usual? And doesn’t ‘usual’ mean that there are significant payroll limitations particularly with approximately $110 million committed to three players?

nishiogawakun
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Same as it ever was.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

Yep. Except with less money to spend.

2002heaven
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

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Yes, even with Upton and Thor’s contracts coming off ($40M) the books……whatta mess!!
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Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

So in a nutshell he is saying next years payroll will be the same payroll amount as last year until we get a new Owner. So by doing the math this means No elite free agents, just a couple of has-beens and retreads to accompany the crew we finished the season with.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Cowboy26

WWWWWWG

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Very glad I passed on the opportunity to give Arte $25,000 for 4 season tickets.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Unfortunately I didn’t.

2pints
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

we have such a great history signing elite free agents, I’m super duper sad we can’t do it again…(Wayne Campbell voice)…NOT!!!

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I’m sure he is being perfectly candid. Ownership told PTP to carry on business as usual. He already wasn’t allowed to do any big moves without ownership approval, so any changes will simply be changes in what ownership approves.

For example, when PTP went to ownership with a proposal to extend Ohtani or to trade him, they responded with directions to do a 1-year deal that avoids arbitration. PTP therefore carried out their wishes — business as usual.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Exactly. This probably IS candid. Perry, being a non-bitch, understood most of the challenges of the job he took on and intends to do the best he can under those circumstances because THAT IS HIS JOB…. not bitching and wishing about meeeooower payroll and FAs who don’t want to sign here and ARRRRTEEEEE.

He probably doesn’t have a ton of negatives to share that he’s stuffing down deep cause nothing is happening that isn’t what he knew he was agreeing to. And besides, unlike Derpo and Epps, it looks like thus far Arte’s kinda stayed out of his hair.

hockey_duckie
Member
1 year ago

So you’re saying Perry has sucked without Arte’s interference? That isn’t a bode of confidence for Perry when you put it that way.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  hockey_duckie

A) There’s no such thing as a “bode of confidence” there McWordsmith.
B) Only an idiot’s gonna judge the guy on his first full season as GM, especially if it’s a season full of injured players and manager’s egos. If things look the same in year three then yeah, he failing. If things were suddenly good this year it would mean Eppler was pretty good.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

You mean, like pretty much every GM is limited? Are they all out there in the off season being “candid” and “transparent”…. maybe even “mindful” and “open”?

matthiasstephan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Well, ‘business as usual’ still let us sign multiple starters (Thor, Lorenzen) and multiple bullpen pieces (Loup, Tepera).

With committed (not counting ARB and raises) salary of 133M already, and estimated 20M in arb and pre-arb salaries, and thinking of this year’s salary of 194M – that leaves us 40M odd to spend (on ? – SS, SP, 1B/OF).

(The 133M includes Trout, Rendon, Ohtani, Loup, Tepera, Stassi, and Fletcher.)

(The rotation (Sandoval, Suarez, Detmers, Davidson(?) is relatively cheap with only Sandy at ARB-1), and the same with other position players (Rengifo, Velasquez, Walsh, Adell, Ward, Moniak, O’Hoppe, Thaiss) and the pen (Barria, Herget, Canning, Quijada, Wantz)) – maybe 20M in total?)

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
1 year ago

mlbtraderumors should have a good idea/estimate of what arb will be for all the players.
Who here is excited for the “If I was a Platypus” series again!!??

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago

So what you’re saying is the team should be left with $20 mil to fill 5 or 6 spots? That sounds like business as usual except with less money to spend.

I have very little hope or excitement except for a new owner.

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MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The only hope is that Minasian can find some cheap buried treasure, but he has demonstrated no ability to do so, while Arturo has dedicated himself to losing while the value of his investment has grown astronomically.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Rich people. Boo f***ing hoo.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

And he signed Iglesias.