Shutout Angels Leave Oakland Under .500

In the last game in Oakland for 2021, the Angels had to deal with a day game with Suarez on the mound. He has looked good, but it takes more than 1 player to win in baseball. It also takes more than the on field umps as they blew 3 calls on the day that had to be overturned. Also it takes an offense that can score, and a bullpen that does not suck. This was a rough one.

Recap

No Support for Suarez

The Angels started rather quietly with only an Ohtani walk of note. Jose Suarez had himself a 1-2-3 first inning in response.

A couple of runners got on in the second, but they couldn’t get them in. Suarez mowed down the A’s again in order to keep it scoreless through 2.

Whoop…

Fletcher got on due to an error, and stole second, but that wait for the Angels in the 3rd. At least Jose Suarez looked great. 9 up. 9 down. Scoreless after 3.

Back to back bloops with 2 outs gave the Angels a chance, but nothing came out of it. Things were cruising for Suarez, until a 3-2 fastball with 2 outs to Olsen. A home run was the first run of the game. 1-0 A’s after 4.

The Angels continued to hate hitting in Oakland as 1-2-3 went don in order in the 5th. Suarez allowed a hit, but got through the 5th, still 1-0 A’s.

Brandon Marsh stole a base, alas, he was stranded there. Second game in a row no scoring in the first 6 innings. Things didn’t go well in the bottom of the 6th either. It wasn’t spiraling out of control, but after 1 in and 2 on with 2 outs, Maddon had enough. 5 and 2/3, just 2 ER.

BlowPen

Mike Mayers came in to get the final out in the 6th. He immediately gave up a 2 run double. Sure they are charged to Suarez, but no, that was Mayers’ fault. Ground ball after ground ball for Suarez, but Maddon pulls him. 4-0 A’s after 6.

Rengifo got a hit, but again, no runs. Guerra had the 7th, he did well, until he got 2 outs. Then he allowed hit after hit after hit after hit. 6-0 A’s after 7.

Marsh got a hit, and Ward walked with 2 outs, both were stranded. Joe Maddon had it and got himself ejected yelling at the umps. His parting gift was putting Bundy on the mound. He was not terrible for once, and got out of the inning without making it worse.

Like the rest of the game, the Angels refused to score and ended up getting shutout. It was a pathetic outing.

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The Angels are off tomorrow before facing the Twins for 4. A sweep is necessary for any hope for this season. Please drink responsibly.

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Brent
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8 days ago

This team isn’t making the playoffs.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Wait – so the 30 game winning streak to make the playoffs isn’t happening?

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
9 days ago

two items of note:

  1. There are now Brandon Marsh videos on youtube…in Japanese
  2. After thinking about it, either extend Raisel this week or trade him, otherwise he’s gone and we get nothing for him, the consequences of the 1 yr deals
steelgolf
Trusted Member
8 days ago

Please tell me there is already a Brandon Marsh anime character.

Cowboy26
Super Member
9 days ago

Boy this is going to be a Loooong winter.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Cowboy26

At least we’ll have a GM etc from the jump.

steelgolf
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Today was the 7th time they have put up a goose egg on offense. Yep, lucky number 7 shut out. Yeeesh.

VladimirTrout27
Newbie
9 days ago

Halos FO need to look in the mirror. Their limitations are in full display with how their pitching has performed. No one predicted Ohtani being this great on both sides. This is like when Trout came out of nowhere and helped save that Angels season. Imagine where the Halos would be if Ohtani was just good and not great. I think with how they drafted – guys ready for the big, some guys could help the BP this season, but if you trade Raisel that’s throwing in the towel. Halos need at least 1 front end starter and a reliable BP arm. Sure that’ll cost money and talent but staying around 500 does nothing, which has proven in these band-aid years. With Rendon, Upton, and Trout coming back soon, and the Angels have talented offense, I’d say go for it. Waiting another year only makes Upton’s and Rendon’s contract more questionable. J-Up is Trout’s buddy and you bail on him and Albert in the same season, I wonder how Trout will take it. Call up Detmers and just trade for relievers? Relievers that the Halos could use, whom they gave up on, Middleton, Robles, Guerra, and Petit. I get the whole rebuild the farm which is why I like this year’s draft, but you gotta go for it when you have a window and phenoms like Trout and Ohtani.

Last edited 9 days ago by VladimirTrout27
LAAFan
Trusted Member
9 days ago

All I want are some better middle relievers at this point, maybe that ignites something. I wouldn’t go after anything bigger unless Trout/Rendon/Upton show up and immediately start raking.

James
Member
9 days ago

Until this team can beat the Oakland type teams in baseball I just can’t envision the playoffs being a reality at this point. Maybe Trout sparks something when he comes back but With this bullpen being so bad and the amount of runners LOB I am not overly optimistic. The All Star game and HR Derby was refreshing but the reality is that the Angels are under 500 and flailing badly. That spark that good teams have is just not there for the Angels. Sell? Buy? Do something Arte 👎🏻

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
9 days ago

The Angels are (barely) positive this year in shifting. Better than a lot of teams:

https://twitter.com/SharpeWordz/status/1417509166554484739

FungoAle
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Interesting view, thanks.

James
Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Just rename it the Pujols and it would be a more interesting stat.

eyespy
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

How often do these teams shift?

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Can’t say, I’m not that smart 🤪

I only share results other smart people post.

eyespy
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I was hoping that there was more nerd stuff to view, oh well.

Some teams might be more successful being that they only shift when it is truly to their advantage, and not all the time.

Like when a batter has true tendencies, and the pitcher can force the tendencies further in that direction.

To me, these just numbers “much wow” really don’t tell my feeble mind so much but that Gordon Ramsey is a SABR nerd.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

Sooooo… who should we trade? What do you realistically think we can get for anyone? And no, none of the guys we have to trade are bringing back a quality MLB starter or an “impact” starter prospect…. unless they become that after the trade.

But maybe we could get a neglected utility guy who can play INF/OF… like a Chris Taylor type, or a couple guys who turn out to be dependable arms…. maybe a reliever who can be stretched. It may not sound like much, but if we get a couple good prospects, a couple solid pen arms, and a solid bench guy out of a couple trades that wouldn’t be so bad.

As far as starters go, anyone out there yall think may be a good change of scenery candidate? Maybe we can get a solid guy that way? If KC was in the hunt and looking to trade I’d still want Brad Keller for example.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
9 days ago

I just got finished writing downthread that under the circumstances (what we’ve got to trade, how much money Arte is willing to take on) that…well, it’s all down there, not too far down from here. The point is Perry needs to have a plan and I believe he does. Most of the trades we could make are bandaids ™. Patches on worn-out tires. I could probably think of another couple of metaphors (is that the word?) but I believe I’ve made my point.

If the plan is to re-work the system and be truly competitive in 2023 then trade for prospects and not worry about where we end up this year or next. Enjoy Trout, Ohtani, Fletch, Walsh, maybe Marsh if he pans out. Maybe Rendon if his 2021 is all injury related.

It’s hard to be patient but the franchise is in a mess and it has to be fixed before we can win.

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
9 days ago

Your points you made here and downthread are good. It’s most likely that if we make any moves to sell, they won’t be impact moves. Then again, there’s the POV that that is better than nothing.

As for Raisel, we can either trade him for a fireballing young reliever in hopes that he becomes the next Raisel or let him walk after the season for (hopefully) a comp pick. If you think that you want Raisel to be your long-term closer at market value, go get him in the offseason in either situation. I personally am unconvinced, but I know there are fans of his on the site who want to lock him up long-term.

Simply speaking, you cannot fix the bullpen through free agency, and it’s a fool’s errand to try each year. Just trade Raisel. Get the lotto ticket. If he’s solid, it’s 6 years of a reliever that fills one slot in the bullpen. Ty Buttrey ended up not being the greatest reliever in the world, but if you have like 10 Ty Buttreys in your system, it’s easier to use free agency and trades to fill in the gaps in your bullpen.

FungoAle
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

I don’t think you can politically trade Rasiel. Sends a bad message to the team because the rest of the pen just sucks so bad. There is nobody who can come close to his job. Players would be more demoralized than ever to see Cishek come in to seal the deal. BUT…I’m all for it. He is by far the best trade asset we have and could improve our prospects and maybe MLB talent along as well. Just do it.

Closers move around every year. Teams don’t invest long term as the position has a peak performance that is short-lived.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  FungoAle

If they “sell” at all this year they might as well try to sell everyone without long term control. If it demoralizes the team and we lose more games and get a better draft pick again is that so bad?

Cowboy26
Super Member
9 days ago

So don’t trade Rendon?

Got it.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You just contradicted yourself. You know that , right?

First, you make a very good argument for not trading Raisel, then you go and say “do it anyways.”

You lost me. I agreed with your original idea of not demoralizing the troops. You’ve got a guy in Shohei having a legendary season, a once in a generation talent in Trout ready to come back, as well as Upton and hopefully Rendon returning very soon.

It would simply send the wrong message to trade Raisel. And what do you expect to get? Is it worth pissing off your vets?

We just drafted 20 pitchers. We don’t need to trade for a young lottery ticket arm that would merely be number 21.

Better to keep Raisel, try to win as much as we can in August and September, and in the process build some positive momentum towards 2022.

Last edited 9 days ago by JackFrost
FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Yep, I threw a BUT in there. After that 3-run bomb last night, the Giants would love him among other teams. Heaney and Cobb have value as well. Rasiel has been phenomenal for us but if you could get a haul, you have to listen.

max
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max
9 days ago

Every year we all say ‘when we are ready to be competitive in 2 years’. That 2 years is runnin’ on 8 years.

Last edited 9 days ago by max
Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  max

the sad thing is we know what needs to be done. Build the farm. Invest in the farm. Invest in scouting. Build the entire organization from Low A to the big club. It *can* be done in a couple of years if the mentality is there. I say “the sad thing” because right now I don’t believe those at the top are particularly concerned about the players at Tri-City.

eyespy
Super Member
9 days ago

Arte set a budget, the threshold, and Perry can not go over that. So, to be safe, Perry will need to stay a $fewMil to $10Mil below the budget to cover the end of the season audit by MLB to make sure the team stayed under the threshold.

Arte will never pay another team to beat him.

h27kim
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Hopefully, we have a Vinnie Pestano to trade….

DaveChalk
Member
9 days ago

I mean other than Heaney or Bundy, who really could maybe benefit from a change of scenery and provide any return. But with both walking out the door next year and having such poor contract years could we get even the modest return you are indicating.

Honestly Id rather keep Cobb and Raisel. I think they help us more next year for the positions they play than any trade return.

But man all these one year rental bullpen and bench guys, who would want them? Maybe Lagares for his defense and Gosselin for his bat and versatility. I know we want to dump a lot of guys but I think you are more asking who can we stand to lose that we actually want to keep to get something that fills a bigger need next year.

Last edited 9 days ago by DaveChalk
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DaveChalk

No. I want US to trade for a change of scenery pitcher. Cobb/Raisel are free agents.

Last edited 9 days ago by gitchogritchoffmypettis
James
Member
9 days ago

Everyone besides Ohtani, Walsh Fletcher and a couple of starting pitchers.

UtahAlumnus
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Boo

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

Why do we need a sweep for any hope this season?

DowningDude
Super Member
9 days ago

See Eric in Portland’s comment below

Last edited 9 days ago by DowningDude
2002heaven
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Somebody will overpay for Ranger’s Kyle Gibson ( he did have a good year two yrs ago with MINN at 13-7 ).

2002heaven
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9 days ago

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Jan 7, 2021 signed a FA ( any other team could’ve signed him ).
sources Wikuhpeedia & Entertainment and Sports Programming Network…….yes Kowboy 26 I looked him up ). BTW Jerry Dipoto signed Matt Shoemaker to a FA deal too, he was basically in semi pro minor league limbo for 5 years and had a regular day job. No MLB team has ever drafted him at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C6VKJfeKHU

Twebur
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DowningDude
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

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2002heaven
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9 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

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Hey wee have to play good teams too…… 😆 

Twebur
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Not drinking Merlot! Maybe after a loss…….which is quite frequent, so, we are drinking Merlot. https://youtu.be/uLtlwAGZx6U

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  2002heaven

WHO THE FUCK IS THAT YOU TIT!?! What did you look up? Was there a source that quotes this guy saying “I would have signed with literally anyone.”? But the most important question of all is when will you stop sniffing glue and commenting?

Cowboy26
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Hey 2002 this is not one of those fantasy movies where if you repeat some myth over and over again it eventually will come true.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=shoema002mat

Notice what AAA minor league teams the Shoe played for from 2010 to 2014. They all start with Salt and end with a Lake. and have been an affiliate of the Angels Baseball team since 2001. Jerry Dip shit was GM of the Angels from 10/28/11 to his final temper tantrum on 7/1/15. Shoemaker was Angel property (although he might have had a winter job selling white walls) before, during and after Dipoto’s tenure. The Shoe’s “sole” breakout season was 2014 and he has struggled to find the same consistency ever since. the only constant during Matt Shoemaker’s Angel career was Mike Scioscia not the Jedi. So I would tend to believe that Sosh had more influence in finally giving Shoe a chance on a major league pitching staff than the Dipper.

So please stop the deceit, the fake news and revisionist history. I know you relish trying to be the CTPG protagonist. But your unintelligible or poorly researched posts only produce a sad caricature of our championship year homage.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Cowboy26

I don’t even understand why we are supposed to argue over Shoey other than a bunch of people around here are always half staff for him cause his wife is fun on social media and Shoey is just “normal” enough that losers feel like they could almost be him, which they can’t. Not even close.

But the guy is the ultimate physical embodiment of the Angels pitching problems. He’s always hurt, and when he isn’t he sucks these days. This year he’s so bad he may not even upgrade OUR rotation.

So why does this simpleton keep bringing him up? The only upside is, if he ever posts a picture of him with no name we will actually know who he is.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
9 days ago

We are wasting Jose Suarez!

Angels22
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Didn’t know there was a day game today and of course we lost. Time to sell! I think everyone is available except Trout, Ohtani, Walsh and Fletcher.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Angels22

Marsh. Cobb .366, Marsh .364

steelgolf
Trusted Member
9 days ago

0 runs? 0 runs? This feeble line up couldn’t score a single run in 9 innings?

Twebur
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

They usually at least SHART out a meaningless run or 2 in the 8th or 9th………not today.

SScott
Trusted Member
9 days ago

Dumb ass A’s announcers completely ignoring the fact that the umps put the screws to the Angels in both games.

bradllee424
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  SScott

I have always hated the A’s. Look at their past in McGwire and Canseco. I call them the Steroid brothers.

Marcotor
Member
9 days ago
Reply to  SScott

Must be that vast International Umpire Conspiracy to Only Screw the Angels

Twebur
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Uh…yeah.

SScott
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Is that what I said? Did you watch the games? 3 bad calls last night and 3 bad calls today. Joe had a right to get his money’s worth, and I for one am glad he finally did.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
9 days ago

Typically it takes 90 wins to get the wild card…88, 92.. You get the idea.

At 46-48 we’d need to go 44-24 to win 90. If we were good that would be possible.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

Yeah, this team, even before injuries, wasn’t going to the play offs. Just gotta keep building. Suarez, Sandoval, etc still being good at the end of the year would be nice.

DaveChalk
Member
9 days ago

Lol, can you please send this to management that you need a team capable of winning 90 games to make the playoffs not what they have been selling us last 6 years

Mia
Super Member
Mia
9 days ago

So Suarez was serviceable and the pen blew it again…starting to be a trend

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

I hate when the starter does ok and then slegerscishekmayers comes in and unloads the bases so the starter’s era takes a hit.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
9 days ago

Yup. So frustrating

Mia
Super Member
Mia
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Also need to blame an offense that got shutout, especially when it was kept close most of the game.

Marcotor
Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Read the other comments. The Angel hitters would all be hitting .370 if it weren’t for the Umpire Conspiracy 😉

DowningDude
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Marcotor

You got us oh wise one.

Twebur
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Tough gig pitching when you know deep in your gut after the 3rd inning, they ain’t scoring shit for me today. If I knew it, he must have known it.
Angel trAditions suck A’ss……..

bradllee424
Trusted Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Some of these players like Trout, Rendon & Upton need to start taking better care of themselves. They are just as responsible for this mess as the relievers.

Mia
Super Member
Mia
9 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Really hurts to have 3 of your best hitters missing most of the season so far .

Last edited 9 days ago by Mia
WallyChuckChili
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Mia

We are truly missing Fowler, Schebler and Jon Jay

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