LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Bye Oakland?

Good morning Angels Fans, how are you today? That bad huh? Have some links!

Angels News

The Angels lost and do not have to go to Oakland again this year. Which may be one of the last years too.

Ohtani is getting more praise, by Manny Ramírez this time. Doesn’t he have a suspension to serve?

Speaking of Shohei, in typical fashion, he blamed himself for the loss on Monday. He is too humble at times.

With a loss yesterday, the Angels fall to 2 under .500 and it is because of the bullpen. Also the offense. The defense isn’t that good either. But hey, the Angels had 2 stolen baes, including one for Marsh!

Around Baseball

The Oakland City council voted on the A’s proposal. A vote of “please make changes to the agreement“. They have made concessions as well, so for the first time in a while, it looks like the may stay in Oakland after all? Except, no. The A’s refuse to negotiate further. Las Vegas A’s are inevitable, Iron Man even.

Speaking of tense situations, the Olympics have started! Softball has kicked things off in Tokyo!

A woman is managing a high school team in Osaka, Japan. This is the first instance of this happening, but even more rare is that she is a player’s manager. Something that doesn’t seem to exist there.

Speaking of women, an all women broadcast team covered the Rays vs Baltimore yesterday. Not that Bally Sports made it easy.

New strikezone in Low A southeast along with ROBO UMPS. Wider and shorter zone. Huh, wonder why.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes.

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Twebur
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8 days ago

In Twitter form… summing up/repeating some of your points……try to sign them all!
https://twitter.com/TurksTeeth/status/1417901118865121281?s=20

Last edited 8 days ago by Twebur
Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Don’t forget this massive slot savings that we can add to the pot.

https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/1417196771206483971

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Give me some HEAT!

Twebur
Trusted Member
8 days ago

Don’t have a subscription…my guess the Fletch and Joe comparison, both into wearing pantyhose.
https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1417897289947881474?s=20

Twebur
Trusted Member
8 days ago

Is it possible our Farm doesn’t belong in the bottom 1/3? Kids in AZ look like they might have some of that elusive “Skill and Grit”. With some promise at AA with our pitching.
https://twitter.com/JEspinoza1634/status/1417976769789890561?s=20

eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Aloe Vera, nice and close

JackFrost
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Yep. And Aloe Vera is soothing and heals burns.

This kid is a healing balm to our organization.

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Thanks Billy, thanks Matt!

Bl0chead
Trusted Member
8 days ago

Saw my first ever Ohtani game and first game in years since moving to NorCal on Monday at the Coliseum. I was booing Cishek the second he stepped out, and well, we know how that went…There were a ton of Halo fans in attendance and a lot of Japanese folks in Angels gear as well. It was a fun atmosphere all in all.

The A’s fans that were booing Ohtani were glued to every AB he had and also had their phones out the ENTIRE time to try to catch a bit of history. It gave my GF and I a hearty chuckle.

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Bl0chead
Trusted Member
8 days ago
https://twitter.com/MLBPlayerAnalys/status/1415373840817917956?s=20

**taps head** You can’t tear your elbow if it’s already torn…

Last edited 8 days ago by Bl0chead
FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Bl0chead

Nice, we got the most. Good to be winning at something. Perry Power.

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I guess it’s good to know some of our draft picks are more advanced than others

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
8 days ago

We all knew that a lot had to go right for the Angels to have a playoff shot this year.

As usual, a lot went wrong. Trout out 10+ weeks is huge, Rendon is having the worst year of his career, Upton has been out over a month, even our band aid in right field, Fowler went down.

The offense was supposed to overcome the pitching but is missing 3 key bats. I know every team has injuries but Trout and Rendon are A level players and that hurts.

The fact the Angels are even sniffing .500 is a testament to just how amazing Shohei Ohtani is. We should be dead in the water but he’s carrying us however far we go.

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I wish the Angels pitching staff was missing key bats.

aces666high
Trusted Member
8 days ago

Nearly everyone here knew rebuilding the staff would be a 2-3 season journey. Problem was, the angels didn’t think so and decided to do nothing other than the usual dumpster diving and pretending the Bundy that was a fringe cy young candidate for a month or so last season was the Bundy they’d get this season. Instead it was zero steps forward, zero back. The team is just there. The have Ohtani and a few other guys who are doing ok but his knows if it’s just another flash in the pan and they turn into Bundys next year as well.

Maddon continues to prove cub fans were right about him. They won the WS in spite of him no because of him. He’s trotting Cischek out there every other game like he’s Scott Shields. Sadly he is not. You just know inherited runners are gonna score. It’s so deflating for us, I can’t imagine the team.

I haven’t watched a full game in a long time. We have some exciting players but this staff/pen and watching Soggy Joe throw a PH up batting below .200 just makes me wanna change the channel or what’s happening more often, just forgetting the game is on.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  aces666high

This team’s better than2018, 2019 or 2020 and there are some building blocks that have been added. They may meet or beat .500. That’s not good, but going from total crap to average is progress. If you’re bored with that you’re bored. It’s OK. Just keep checking in every couple months, eventually the team will be in the play off chase again and you can start watching.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
8 days ago

Major Key opened for Seattle today and gave up 5 runs in his one inning. Oh well, eh?

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago

I hope that score holds up.

I relish every Mariners loss.

eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago

Grip it and get ripped

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
8 days ago

Sweet. Maybe Key can start bashing Mariners fans on social media now like he did us.

angelslogic
Super Member
8 days ago

Just a thought: What would the series result have been against the A’ss and the Mariners if the Angels had played with Trout, Upton, and Rendon, instead of Ward, Renfiffo, and Gosselin?

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Can those guys pitch out of the bullpen?

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think we would have won on Monday for sure with those guys… considering it was 0-0 going to the 6th. Also, we would have won if the HP umpire and MLB Review crew in NY did not screw us. That call (non-call) completely changed the momentum.

So, there are those two things.

Last edited 8 days ago by JackFrost
Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Same. Cishek is at least handed a 3-0 lead to blow instead of a scoreless game to blow.

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

all else equal? we probably win like one more game

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Agree. It’s not like that change results in winning series. The bullpen is still a total and completely failure (other than Raisel).

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Let’s say Trout/Upton/Rendon are collectively worth 20 WAR and Ward/Rengifo/Gosselin are collectively worth 1.0 WAR.

That’s theoretically 19 extra wins over the course of an entire season, or an extra .7 wins over the course of 6 games. So maybe the Angels get an extra win out of the series, or maybe they lose 3-6 instead of 0-6 last night.

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago

Tradeable players in my opinion who will likely bring something useful in return:

Heaney
Cobb
Adell
Adams
Canning

I think you could package Adell and Canning and get a frontline starting pitcher. That pitcher would have to be signed through at least 2022.

Missing from my list is Raisel. I personally think Raisel is a fantastic closer and fills a long term hole that will be difficult to otherwise fill. I’d sign him to a 3 year deal.

Off-season would be focused on 3 legit bullpen arms.

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Boyd, Means or Marquez would be my SP targets with Adell and Canning. If Angels could get Means out of Baltimore I’d be ecstatic. Controlled through 2024.

If Perry could pull thatt off and sign Raisel, he could focus the off-season on rebuilding the bullpen.

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JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Matthias mentioned Woodruff.

That is who I would target.

FungoAle
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8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

No chance. Why would a division leading, potential WS winner trade their best or second best ace?

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I am not saying they would do it. But I would not have thought the White Sox would trade Sale for Moncada.

Maybe put a package together with a couple more players. You will never get a guy like that if you don’t try.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Woodruff? Jesus. Do you have a genie in a bottle or something? We should probably also check if Shane Beiber is available.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago

First, Woodruff is not as good as Shane Bieber. And he is likely having a career year this year so 2021 may not be the best time to offer. If Adell starts well and Woodruff regresses to the mean next season maybe you try it then.

Good chance that ERA returns to around 3.00 next year instead of the 2.01 we see now. But I would still want him at 3.00.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I liked this comment. Totally agree on extending and keeping Raisel.

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It’s not the time to trade prospect. We only do that if we are “in” the playoff spot and wanting to pick up talent from teams that are tanking.

Rasiel is pitching above his career stats, we’d be selling at the peak. Criminal not to solicit offers and listen.

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

That’s why the players I am suggesting are under long term control. If Baltimore or Detroit or Colorado wants to trade those pitchers, the Angels should be in the market no matter when it happens.

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Certainly something to look at, agree. My viewpoint, prospects are tradable assets and can be used to fill a necessary need when the team is near the championship level.

Ex. Red Sox in 2017, traded 4-5 prospects to land Chris Sale from the White Sox. “Oh my gawd Dombrowski, how could you do that to the Fenway Pawk faithful?” Result, WS championship in 2018. Some GMs just cannot stomach trading a prospect that might come back to bite him/her. If you are a low-cost operating organization (Rays, As), makes sense to not trade prospects.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The difference with the example you provided and what people here are talking about is that the Red Sox traded a very hot prospect in Moncada but they got back Chris frickin Sale, who at the time was a Top 5 pitcher in all of baseball. If we could trade Adell and get back a Top 5 starter (not an aging nearly over the hill guy, like I would not trade Adell for Kershaw) who is still young, you can bet I would be “pro-trade.”

If we trade Raisel it would surely be to some “contender” looking to fleece us. We would almost inevitably get back crap in return, but all the wantabe GM’s would be getting off over this nobody lottery ticket saying “wow, we made a trade.”

That is the problem here. Too many people glamorize trading just for the sake of trading. I say, if you cannot clearly win a trade then don’t make it!

In the case of Raisel I’d like to extend him anyways. So the trade idea does not appeal to me from the get go.

Last edited 8 days ago by JackFrost
matthiasstephan
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8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Who would that be? Woodruff? Mahle? Means? Rogers? I am assuming Scherzer isn’t enough either, right?

There are some pitchers out there that are more available that would be quite useful (like Scherzer). I don’t think we need a top 5 pitcher (I couldn’t have guessed the top 5 pitchers right now, if you asked before the season).

I wouldn’t mind trading for a starter (Scherzer), a reliever (Kimbrel, if it wouldn’t mess with Duracell), and even paying big in prospects to do it. That coupled with returning offense (Trout, Upton; Rendon) should at least keep us in contention. Even better if we can get someone that would stick around longer term.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago

Yeah, I would definitely trade him for Woodruff. He is a relatively young arm (only 28 yrs old), he is not a single-season flash in the pan (he has been good four years running) and he appears to be getting better!

Good call on your part. He may not be Top 5 but he’s almost certainly a top 10-guy.

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FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago

No, you wont get Woodruff. Milwaukee don’t play the dump game. They are competitive and make classic deadline deals going for it.. Brandon Woodruff and Corbin Burnes are THE reason why the Brewers will be a tough out in the post-season.

Rogers is tough and Miami has a history of underperforming and selling. This might be an opportunity. Not saying he is the guy to get but certainly the type of team to target. Reds (Mahle) too.

Angels are not making this type of move at the deadline, it will be small-ball if anything. Next off-season, game on.

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Making a point, this is the time to trade a prospect to fill a gap. Not in the middle of the season when you having a sub-par year. Prospects are tradeable assets. By the way, Adell was 3rd or 4th ranked prospect in baseball before he tripped up last year. Or should I say, the Angels over-exposed him with his rawness.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I mentioned above in a response to Gitch that maybe 2021 is not the time to try to trade Adell.

Let him come up again and start hammering the ball. Then you may be able to get a starter worth your time.

For the people suggesting Tyler Mahle, I say “ummmm, no thank you.”

You don’t trade a potential stud outfielder for Mahle and his 3.82 FIP and career 4.00 ERA !!!

Last edited 8 days ago by JackFrost
JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’ll add, if you can’t get somebody good enough then simply don’t trade him.

I am not giving him away for crappy Tyler Mahle, lol…

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

i would happily trade Adell for Mahle.

And Baseball Trade Values thinks the same FWIW

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

What is that ? Some sort Yankee App?

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

haha, we like to use it to gauge if our wack trade proposals are off-target or not

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

That ‘s crazy,

Mahle is an average pitcher.

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Was the 33rd ranked starter in baseball according to Eno Sarris a few weeks ago. Two years of control. Filthy stuff. Good Statcast metrics.

Think it’s about a wash with Adell’s talent, his control, and his boom-or-bust potential.

If we’re going for it the next two years, I would make the move. If we’re punting for 2024, keep Adell.

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

This is why Kumar was not selected. The Angels wanted to use the under slot dollars to entice some of their later picks. Kumar would have forced us in the other direction and a $2.3 million hit.

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Exactly. This gives them the money to sign 1-14 probably

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It was obvious there was a reason they drafted a lower end prospect with their #9 pick. Now we know, it’s Arte’s penny pinching. (I will admit, I don’t understand the salary cap for signing minor leaguers. But I do understand that Arte absolutely won’t spend for top end pitching.)

So, instead of a top end prospect with a high ceiling, they have someone with RP risk, a violent delivery which may result in continued injuries/injury risk who was signed to a cheap contract.

At the end of the day, I’d prefer more Kumar Rocker contracts, and fewer Pujols/Rendon contracts.

steelgolf
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

There is questions out there on Rocker’s health too, and his velocity drop. He has just as many injury question marks as Bachman.

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Fewer questions and more upside. Of all our picks, that’s the one I liked least. At the end of they day, we need an SP1. Who is more likely to become that of the two in question.

Last edited 8 days ago by MarineLayer
Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

as of today we don’t know. Judging by Rocker’s 2021 season I’m not at all convinced he’s as good as he was in 2019 and that doesn’t bode well for the future.

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
8 days ago

Eric, how convinced are you about Bachman’s future?

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

same as Rocker’s. Don’t know.

JackFrost
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Can I recommend this post twice ??

Alot of people post music clips of crap bands on this site. This is NOT one of those posts.

Last edited 7 days ago by JackFrost
eyespy
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

hey

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I for one maintain a level of skepticism with this 20-pitcher draft approach as well as the players that were selected. As seen the last three years (excuse 2020 Covid), we drafted many arms. Some might still make it, can take time. But Perry has got to prove he knows what he doing well before accolades come his way. Fangraphs shit all over the 9th pick but to me, worst case he’ll be throwing BB’s in the bullpen. Our pen does need some testosterone.

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

So what you are saying is Cheap Arte is still Cheap. Certainly plausible.I’m sure we will not know for sure until ultimately all of the Angels picks are signed .

The penalties going over your total draft pool slot amount are not light. 0% to 5% is a 75% penalty which maybe chump change but over 5%to 10% is like lose next years first round draft pick. I doubt anyone would do that.

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Arte is cheap but that has nothing to do with this issue. There is a cap on what can be paid to the draftees – a total pool of money. Rocker would have taken 2/3 of that. The Angels need to sign as many drafted pitchers as possible. Once the cap is hit, there are stiff penalties. So saving that money was important to a team that needs all the pitching help it can get.

Last edited 8 days ago by Fansince1971
eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Stiff penalties, Arte ain’t having it

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Stiff penalties aren’t that bad unless they last longer than 24 hours

red floyd
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If your stiff penalty lasts longer than 4 hours, see your doctor.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Or call more Ladies!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Fansince1971

Wanting to sign all the pitchers you drafted = cheap…. if you are desperate enough to bitch about cheapness and ignorant enough about how draft pools work but confident enough to still start typing.

I am still waiting for the “If Arte were a real man who cares about winning he would say “Damn the financial penalties and f*** next year’s draft pick!” and then draft and sign a tubby pitcher with a crazy velo drop that several other teams passed on because many MSM heads know his name and you gotta flex if you’re a serious man.

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Depends on what you expect out of a draft. Even if you believe Rocker > Bachmann in a vacuum, which some do, Bachmann affords more shots down-draft. So just depends on what you value—one high pick, or a lower pick and more lottery tickets.

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Fair enough. I’d prefer taking a chance on Rocker and fewer lottery tickets. It’s not as if we have a scouting department or FO that has been knocking it out of the park in the last several years. It is clearly a minority opinion.

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Yeah that’s fine in terms of opinion. If you feel that way, makes sense that you’re disappointed. Hopefully some of the lottery tickets pan out!

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Hope is not a plan, and yet I hope 20 bargain basement pitchers in 20 picks could be a plan that works out. I actually like a few of them quite a bit.

Last edited 8 days ago by MarineLayer
H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

To be fair, relying on Rocker involves a bit of hope as well.

2pints
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8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

One thing to keep in mind is that this draft was much different from normal ones due to last year’s issues. Tons of guys didn’t get drafted last year meaning this year’s top rounds were extra potent in talent. I think if ever there was a draft to make sure you have money to spend throughout all the rounds, it was this one.

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
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FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

We should invite Jimmy Buffer to our next draft.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Aren’t they all, including Rocker, lottery tickets?

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
8 days ago

yes, so NFL wisdom says take more shots. haven’t examined MLB but i would assume the same

JackFrost
Super Member
7 days ago

Nope. I don’t consider any of these guys drafted in the first 3-4 Rounds as “lottery tickets.” To me a “lottery ticket” is a real long shot.

That 18 yr old High School kid drafted in the 7th Round, yes.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I could argue this is the better way to get more Kumar Rocker contracts.

Sign just Rocker and you sink or swim with his health/diminished velocity.

Sign Bachman, Mason Albright, and some guys with closing experience in big time college programs, and you are spreading the risk around.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

as said many times already, we can’t rely on one guy. We need a full field of minor leaguers at all levels. If we have 20 starters in the minors we should be able to take the two best, maybe three best and add them to the Angels. The more down there, the better. In other words, I agree, Jeff.

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago

Well…you got 20 of them this year. Be happy. Go Perry.

eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago

If they are any good, you begin that winning attitude, and that is part of team development

eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

[ryanexpress248 enters the chat]

admkir
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Didn’t they need space for the HS pitcher they took at #12 to keep him from going to college?

Last edited 8 days ago by admkir
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  admkir

Yes. You can also just plain run out of money and fail to sign all the guys you drafted…. so signing Rocker would cost us maybe that high school kid and a couple of the round 15-20 pitchers.

eyespy
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  admkir

He committed to Miss State, I think it would take a miracle to convince him not to go

Easy life, chicks, top program in a top conference, no wallowing in the dregs of the Angels minor league system.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  eyespy

Yup. He’s a dice roll. They’ll be able to pay him some extra cash, but if he thinks pitching a couple years at Miss St will make him a #1 pick then he’ll go play there. That’s fine. 19/20 isn’t bad.

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Wait, are you saying San Bernardino is the dregs?

DowningDude
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

he misspelled drugs.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Cowboy26

You wanna see who just master classed this whole “cheap owner” draft while working for an ACTUAL cheap owner? Ben friggin Cherington with the Pirates. He drafts Davis first (a college kid who will stick at a premium position and was the best over all college bat in the draft) and is “cheap” because of it…. then sign Solomento and Bubba Chandler at 2 and 3 because he’s so friggin “cheap”.

That’s a pretty friggin nails first three rounds. You don’t get that type of haul by just paying Liter or Rocker.

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago

Pirates did do well. Lot’s of joy in Mudville. Just takes a good GM with a plan.

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
8 days ago

From Ken Rosenthal:

“Information from major-league sources …”

“With Duffy off the board, perhaps the Dodgers will consider Angels righty Alex Cobb, who previously pitched for president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman with the Rays. Cobb, 33, has a 3.96 ERA in 14 starts, and the Orioles are paying two-thirds of his $15 million salary. Any team that acquires him at the deadline will owe him a relatively modest sum in the range of $1.65 million.”

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Only trade Cobb to the Dodgers if they agree to finally take Rengifo.

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

THAT is a great idea.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

I’m wondering…what exactly did the Angels steal?

But hey, the Angels had 2 stolen baes, including one for Marsh!

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago

babes?

or Banes? Maybe Eddie or his Trader Joes brother is back?

Last edited 8 days ago by Cowboy26
Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
8 days ago

it took me all morning to see the typo and figure out what this was about.

[EDIT] and then I saw I made one of my own and had to edit this thing.

Last edited 8 days ago by Eric_in_Portland
red floyd
Super Member
8 days ago

Stole two girlfriends..

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

The A’s are a good franchise playing in a second-rate city. They need to get out of the Bay area and not look back.

steelgolf
Trusted Member
8 days ago

They have one foot out the door already, heading in the direction of Las Vegas.

Jim Atkins
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8 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Las Vegas and the state of Nevada are already on the hook for a shit-ton of money paying for the sweetheart deal they gave the Raiders for Allegiant Stadium. Not sure how eager they are to hump into another “lets screw the taxpayers” deal.

steelgolf
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

Las Vegas and the State of Nevada will not even blink at the cost.

Cowboy26
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Then they should move to Nashville to play in the central or eastern division . We’ll take Kansas City instead.

steelgolf
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8 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

So KC can do the magic change like The Astros did? There was the lowly, pushover Astros of the National League, then MLB decides to move them into the AL West, and they suddenly become the dominant team in the AL West.

max
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max
8 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Ha, I remember when they put them in the west and we had a couple of years to feast on them before they became good and we went like 6-13 the first year.

steelgolf
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8 days ago
Reply to  max

Yep, they walked right through The Angels and as fans, we thought it was going to be added wins to our schedule.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Man the A’s are a weird fanbase. They actually have a fairly strong market with the East Bay growing due to the preferred tech locations all being too expensive and their “home” stretching all the way east to places like Livermore, Stockton and Sacramento. But the actual people who live there are thin on baseball love. Sure, there are A’s fans, but the city/area as a whole just sort of sleep walks through having a team. A new stadium would probably only help with that for a few years, and it feels like 70% of the people in the A’s area would honestly rather have a Frisbee park, children’s nature education center and community garden/homeless encampment than pay for more cis-gender aggressive score keeping sports bullshit.

I think both Nashville and Las Vegas are by far worse markets on paper, but I think the actual fan engagement they would get in either city will be a lot bigger. People tend to write off both as tourist towns, but both have pretty large general populations and their business communities are growing very fast. I just don’t see why the A’s should keep fighting to stay in Oakland if they can get to either of those cities or, far less likely, Charlotte.

Unless something drastic happens that City Council decision pretty much seals the deal. The A’s are leaving sooner than later…. so their team should probably just give up and play like crap.

Jeff Joiner
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8 days ago

The second the Oakland city council turned down the A’s proposal to get the City off the hook for the Raider debt, pay them tens of millions for the current Coliseum site, and build an entirely new stadium/housing/office/retail center with a park, the door on the A’s staying was shut IMO.

Once the A’s leave, the City will be on the hook for tens of millions of dollars in improvement bonds and have a massive, unused plot of land that will undoubtedly become a homeless camp/crime magnet.

I’m willing to bet that 20 years from now they’ll still be arguing about how to use it with special interest groups suing non stop.

They willingly chose to stay in debt and not make huge amounts of property and sales tax revenue. And they wonder why most of Oakland is such a shit hole.

steelgolf
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That stadium, if it sits empty, will have all of the electrical wires stripped, toilets clogged and broken, and everything else destroyed within 3 years, even with fencing and “security”.

Jeff Joiner
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8 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

For sure. And the arena the Warriors used is sitting empty on that same lot. That’s not a residential area, either. Not a lot of vehicle or pedestrian traffic through there outside of event days.

That site has the potential to turn really bad really quickly.

FungoAle
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Bulldoze and realize the development potential, hotels, housing. build retail outlets. Where there is commerce, people come. Aka Jack Murphy/Qualcomm. Floored that baby not too long ago.

Jeff Joiner
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8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The A’s owners were going to do that. On their own dime.

But the Council and special interests were trying to make something perfect out of something great and immediately started arguing and throwing up road blocks. .

That’s not going to change. They will be bickering about how to use that land twenty years from now. Oakland is just Oakland.

steelgolf
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7 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That is why they call it Jokeland.

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

CAN YOU DIG IT!!!

JackFrost
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7 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That area is already “really bad,” but no doubt it can and will get worse.

There is a reason I call the A’s Stadium “The Penitentiary.”

Twebur
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8 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Toilets are already clogged and broken…

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think the key thing they need to do is make sure they dig a giant hole that slowly fills with water on the site. THEN it will be a classic urban planning shit hole.

Fansince1971
Super Member
8 days ago

Since supposedly not wanting to sweep Seattle (ie the infamous “Sweepless in Seattle” post) the team has gone 2-6. We need to remove the curse of that post. Anybody have a chicken that they can bite the head off of?

PS – paid zero attention yesterday and focused on other things. It was great!

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Cowboy26
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Maybe hire an old Angel team doctor and have him perform an exorcism where we burn John Lackeys old jock strap ? In the case of Lackey a veterinarian might suffice if we can’t get a doctor

WallyChuckChili
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

How about a Bucket of Chicken?
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Twebur
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

A Rooster is needed…otherwise it won’t work

Jayman28
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8 days ago

I think if they trade Raisel to a team looking for a rental, for some lottery picks, you have to remember, they try to resign him in the off-season.

Alroldis Chapman ring a bell? Traded to the Cubs during the deadline and then ended re signing with the Yankees in the Off Season.

I know some will say, well, it’s the Yankees and they have moneh, but O doubt Iglesias is going to get Chapman money.

Just my two cents

eyespy
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jayman28

But why would he want to return to Anaheim?

max
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max
8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

yeah, prob 99/100 players traded don’t re-sign with the team that traded them after they subsequently become free agents

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WallyChuckChili
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8 days ago
Reply to  max

Noe Ramirez if you need a current example

max
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max
8 days ago

Not exactly, he was released by Cin. Maybe the Halos were the only team that wanted him

WallyChuckChili
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8 days ago
Reply to  max

And his 2 Glorious games with us must have sparked Arizona’s interest.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  eyespy

The sunsets. Plus awesome taxes.

GrandpaBaseball
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8 days ago
Reply to  eyespy

Feels he should pay Call’s higher taxes, likes crowded freeways or maybe feels sorry for Trout never winning.

Fansince1971
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jayman28

I personally would sign Raisel to a 3-year deal before he becomes a FA. Eliminates a hole that has to be filled.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

I see it as many levels of win… trade him, get prospects, then resign him? Big win. Extend him, great, we plug a hole. Just don’t keep him, then fail to extend him. I know that can happen, I won’t be totally pissed if it does, but it’s far from the best option.

Jayman28
Member
8 days ago

Exactly, and when the Yankees pulled that off with Chapman, they also got Gleyber Torres too.

If they can’t extend him before the deadline, trade him to get a couple cost controlled pitchera

FungoAle
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jayman28

I would not give a reliever more than a 2-yr extension. Find out where his head is but he’s a goner in my book. At least put the name out there and listen. Perry’s fiduciary responsibility. I’d be happy to get a top 5 prospect, and couple more further down.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  Jayman28

I think that is probably pretty rare that a team actually manages to pull that move off; trade a player to aquire asset and then later on sign the player traded.

Not sure you could count on that happening.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

All you have to do is be super committed to building a winning culture and overpay by 25% to resign the guy. Then you are a super manly New York style owner and the World Series is all yours.

JackFrost
Super Member
7 days ago

You may poo poo the idea of a “winning culture,” but that is exactly why a team like Tampa Bay with average talent (some may even argue below average talent) can make it to the World Series. They have done that twice now in their existence.

Don’t criticize what you can’t understand.

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Jeff Joiner
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8 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Perry and company should be approaching Iglesias about a 3 year deal. If he’s willing to sign one, great. If not, then he should be traded with the understanding we’d love to have him back.

These guys are adults. This is a business. If we offer a good deal, the chance to close, and a place he enjoys, the trade should have no impact on his ultimate decision to sign.

FungoAle
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

3-year, taking him into his 35th years of birth? Shave one year off it is my recommendation, with a club option.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  FungoAle

He’ll be, by far, the best closer on the market next year. He’s not signing for a 2 year deal.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
8 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

What Gitcho said.

Plus he’ll be surrounded by two of the college studs Perry just drafted, bringing our average bullpen arm cost down significantly

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Hadn’t even thought of that. If Perrys plan works (gulp!) then we could have a very high powered bullpen that basically costs what ever we pay Raisel plus a few million dollars to guys currently in Madison or just drafted…. then one of them becomes closer after Raisel’s new contract ends…. IF those kids develop you’d get a Yankee style bullpen for 1/3 the cost… IF….

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
8 days ago

Widen the strike zone, like the real strike zone what, was easy to hit in. Longer bats are coming down the pike. Oh boy, all women announcing crew, something more to look forward too.

At this point have Mikey take the rest of the summer off and heal properly. Same with Droopy Draws and JUP. This team just is awful against better teams. May not even make .500, 81-81, for the sixth straight year. It’s just like the 1960’s Cubbies with Ernie Banks, Billy Williams and Ron Santo, three great players that are in the Hall but nothing post season to show for it. Sad. Well someone posted that it is time to sell everyone who can be replaced and bring up the minor leaguers, after all Marsh has started out well.

Next season will mark Arte’s twentieth season and that is also how long ago we won our World Championship. Time to sell Arte as long ago Stoneman’s boys retired.

SScott
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8 days ago

The thing is, they are about to play a couple series’ against two bad teams which mean it’s possible that they could be 3-5 games above .500 when they face the A’s again.

Walsh and Ohtani are struggling a bit now (mainly Walsh) but part of that is because they are both pressing while trying to carry the team without any protection.The fact that they are even sniffing .500 with the state of this lineup over the last month or two is amazing, and we tend to forget that. They certainly are bad against good teams, but at least part of that is because they’ve been forced to field a AAA bac khalf roster It’s not out of the realm to see a resurgence when the lineup gets some bats and defensive players back. I can’t imagine shutting Trout down for the season unless he’s completely broken. It shouldn’t take a year to recover from his injury.

I was frustrated with the last two losses, but I’m not completely counting them out just yet. I’m not really expecting them to make the playoffs, but I do think they might finish with a decent record, play some entertaining ball, and have something to build off of for next season. Yes, I know, we’ve been saying “next year” for far too long, but that’s how I’m trying to deal with my let down and frustration.

Jayman28
Member
8 days ago
Reply to  SScott

You never know with management and the medical staff, they turn these small injuries into something severe

SScott
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8 days ago
Reply to  Jayman28

It’s interesting that every fan thinks their team’s medical staff is the worst. No, I’m defending the Angels medical staff.

AnAngelsFan
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8 days ago
Reply to  SScott

The Angels do a great job of pulling you back in right when you are ready to call quits on the season.

The Angels will go 4-2 over the next series to be right back at .500 with the As coming to town. We’ll all think “okay, if they can just go 2-2 against the As and 3-1 against Texas, they’ll still have a chance.”

The Angels, of course, will go 1-3 against the As and 2-2 against Texas. We’ll be ready to call in quits again, then they’ll sweep the Dodgers to bring us back in, followed by dropping 2 out of 4 to the Blue Jays.

I believe that puts them at 58-57 when they face the Astros. A sweep by the Astros will put them at 58-60 and that’s the last time the Angels will be above .500. They finish the season 1-2 games below .500, with a middle of the pack draft slot.

edit: And yet despite knowing all the above is true, I will still spend the next few weeks hoping I’m wrong and that the Angels will turn it around.

Last edited 8 days ago by AnAngelsFan
SScott
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8 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

The life of an Angels fan… I’m a hopeless homer.

James
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8 days ago
Reply to  SScott

We all are and it kinda sucks right now.

smithy610
Member
8 days ago

I had some sort of high hopes when this team won their series against Boston. But going 1-5 against teams they’re actually supposed to chase isn’t a good sign. It may just be a tad too late to get the band back together.

steelgolf
Trusted Member
8 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

The buttercup reigns supreme with this team.

James
Member
8 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

I felt the same emotions of something positive happening with the team after that Boston series and now those emotions have done a 180. Having Trout and what looked like a much improved lead off hitting Upton out doesn’t help my viewing experience.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  James

Don’t forget, having Upton crushing everything in the lead off spot was clear evidence of Maddon not having a clue how to use Fletcher.

James
Member
8 days ago

Forgot about Fletcher batting low in the order. Damn you Maddon!

FungoAle
Trusted Member
8 days ago

or batting behind the pitcher when playing NL style of baseball. Hey, it got him a ring so it must have worked!

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