Revisiting Angels Offseason Acquisitions

As the second half is underway, it is time to look back on the offseason and see how we think now. Back before the season started, we at CtPG ranked the acquisitions made by Perry. Some of our takes aged better than others. Here is what we think now halfway through the season.

Raisel Iglesias

The shutdown closer had a rough start to the season, but he turned it around and won the fans over. Not only has he pitched multi inning saves, but D-Cell has done so against the toughest teams in baseball. He may be gone, or may get extended, but whatever happens, Raisel has been a great addition to the bullpen for sure.

That’s our closer!

José Iglesias

Replacing Simba was a tough task, but Churches has been up to it. While offensively he has been less than stellar, his defense is just as elite as the platinum glove winner. The amount of plays he has made is extensive, and he isn’t a black hole at the plate either.

It is, you traitor.

Alex Cobb

Cobb was immediately disliked by Angels fans. This was the starter to nab? Out of everyone available? He wasn’t that good in Baltimore, relying on being fixed was a foolish endeavor! Well, we were wrong about that. He has been one of the better starters this season and the only vet that has been good. Only Jeff even remotely liked him in the spring, and he seems to have been right about Cobb.

You certainly have been the surprise of the group

Steve Cishek

Someone that was added at the last minute has been a staple in the pen. As a former Cub, of course he made Maddon’s team, and he is by far his favorite arm in the pen. This has been good and bad. While he has struggled quite a bit, lately, he has been actually shutting teams down. Hopefully he keeps this up, as he is shaping to be the second best option out of the pen.

Jeez…

Alex Claudio

The bullpen needed help and Claudio was one of the arms brought in. He became one of Maddon’s favorites, which would be nice if he was good. Instead, dread is what fans feel when he is brought in. While not the worst guy in the pen, he certainly has not been what we have hoped.

Claudio in his natural habitat

Aaron Slegers

I was bullish on Slegers. He crushed the Astros in the playoffs last year and is from the Rays system. Surely this would be a good deal. Unfortunately, he has instead been the one to give up inherited runners and shows again, why you never, ever trade with the Rays.

Never, ever trade with the Rays. EVER!

Kurt Suzuki

The veteran catcher looks more like an old catcher this year. While there wasn’t much riding on him, the way he has been so bad, especially defensively, has made his signing rather unfortunate to say the least. That his offense has been offensive is just icing on the cake.

At least he isn’t getting all the time behind the plate

José Quintana

Oh Q… we had such high hopes for Quintana. An actual starting pitcher, sure we didn’t expect ace stuff, but we expected him to be good. That he was the first one out of the rotation really shows how we can’t predict how things will go in March. A real shame.

Innings eater couldn’t even eat innings here…
 Rahul SettyJohn Henry WeitzelRick SouddressCharles SuttonJessica DeLine AVG
Raisel Iglesias111111
José Iglesias223222.2
Alex Cobb332332.8
Steve Cishek444454.2
Alex Claudio655545
Aaron Slegers566776.2
Kurt Suzuki878667
José Quintana787887.6
How much things change in a few months…

What do you think of Perry’s offseason acquisitions now?

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Christianhanson
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4 months ago

Jose is not good, perfectly replacement level. His defense is not good, besides the flashy plays, bat is not as productive as Simba even last year.

DowningDude
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4 months ago

Simba WAR off the chart starting end of last season and counting this season so far. /s

I haven’t exactly been a Jose Iglesias fan but he’s at least been somewhat serviceable.

matthiasstephan
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4 months ago

One has to account for the difference in price tags too. Simba is making, what, 15M on the year, and Jose 3.5?

FungoAle
Super Member
4 months ago

First 3 are right, the rest tied for the 8-spot.

Quintana had lots of love when he was signed. Imagine, DeScalfani, Tepera and Graveman for the cost of Quintana.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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I do not like these players, except some of these players. I will probably change my mind twice about many of them. I wish we were the 1973 A’ss.

IEAngel
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4 months ago

While the ranking is fair considering all the other players, Iglesias has been pretty rough defensively this season.

He certainly makes flashy plays, but he also has already committed as many errors this season as he has in any other full season in his career. Negative by the advanced metrics as well (defensive runs saved, fielding runs above average, UZR, negative dWAR at Baseball Reference, flat dWAR at Fangraphs).

Definitely a huge part of why our defense has been so bad for most of the season, alongside the corner infielders playing in the outfield problem.

red floyd
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4 months ago

Cishek would be OK if Joe used him properly. Put him in with empty bases, he’s find. Put him in with a runner on and that runner is going to score. He has LITERALLY (22/44) allowed half of his inherited runners score (prior to tonight’s game).

Jayman28
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4 months ago

I was kind of happy with the Quintana pick up, actually wished he was part of that three way Trumbo trade instead of Santiago. Unfortunately, he has just look lost out there

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago

With all due respects to the author, this post should be renamed “What kind of poop do I have?”

Last edited 4 months ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
WallyChuckChili
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4 months ago

The kind with corn in it

benjiface
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4 months ago

CORN!!?!? I didn’t have any corn 🌽 !

Eric_in_Portland
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4 months ago

Cishek has not been shutting anyone down. He has had some good innings. That’s as much as I can say for him. Some of his stats, in isolation, look good but that inherited runners thing is damning.

h27kim
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4 months ago

In terms of inherited runners, Cishek has been as terrible as any. What? 50% of them scored? I’m curious if there’s a stat that takes into account both inherited runners and own runners in measuring relief effectiveness (too GA to look up if there is one.)

max
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max
4 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

Not an official statistic, but I think Boy w/apple was putting together era stats giving ‘credit’ to inheritors for the runners they didn’t strand.

BoyWithApple
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4 months ago
Reply to  max

OPS Against is purely a statistic that measures how batters are hitting against pitchers. It does not take into account any runs that were scored nor any runners that were stranded.

BoyWithApple
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4 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

Here is the rundown for Angel relievers and their runs allowed per plate appearance:

Cishek 18/182 = 0.100
Chris Rodriguez 9/90 = 0.100
Mayers 22/189 = 0.116
Iglesias 19/160 = 0.119
Claudio 17/137 = 0.124
Guerra 23/182 = 0.126
Watson 16/119 = 0.135
Slegers 17/114 = 0.149

H.T. Ennis
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4 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

you could use RE24

TheCheetah
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4 months ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

RE24 only takes into account the change in expected opponent runs, but should work for what he’s asking.

WPA would also take into account the current score, so that giving up a couple runs when you’re up by ten would be different from doing so when up by one.

TheCheetah
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4 months ago
Reply to  TheCheetah

For both RE24 and WPA, Cishek is in the top 6 of Angels pitching, top 4 for relievers. Slegers, Bundy, Canning, Quintana, and Claudio are in the bottom 6 for both (minimum 10 innings), so that’s where the issues are.

Edit: There’s actually quite a bit of space between Bundy/Slegers/Quintana/Canning and Claudio, so maybe I shouldn’t have included Claudio….

Last edited 4 months ago by TheCheetah
H.T. Ennis
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4 months ago
Reply to  TheCheetah

Checks out. Perhaps Cishek has just been unlucky……….

GrandpaBaseball
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4 months ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Too many walks.

h27kim
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4 months ago
Reply to  TheCheetah

Thanks to everyone who responded. I figured that there’d at least be something approximate. Interesting that Cishek really does appear to have been pretty effective, then.

benjiface
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4 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

Pretty effective…at letting inherited runners score

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Can we use Swag?

admkir
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4 months ago

This is what I said down thread

Eric_in_Portland
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4 months ago
Reply to  admkir

I agree!

2002heaven
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4 months ago

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

I agree. The View From This Tower by Faraquet is an under rated classic album of the early 2000s.

Jayman28
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4 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Let’s hope he doesn’t be come another has Kevin Mather said about Seager: Overpaid

BoyWithApple
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4 months ago

The league average for OPS Against is .743.

Here’s how the new Angel pitchers compare:

Slegers .878
Quintana .873
Claudio .755
Cobb .639
Iglesias .626
Cishek .605
Watson .603

admkir
Trusted Member
4 months ago

I know Slegers is bad but do you really think Cishek is that much better when 50% of his inherited runners score? He appears to be Bedrock 2.0

TheCheetah
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4 months ago
Reply to  admkir

The problem is that it’s also true for Slegers and most of the other RPs — most of them allow half of their inherited runners to score.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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To ad to the fun, give it two weeks, the answer will change.