LA Angels Weekend News Crash: Butts in Seats?

Usually by this time of year I have my Spring Training trip booked. And I go kind of Griswold on this: scouring the schedule to pick a group of 4-5 games, booking a fairly central AirBnB, even buying game tickets. But not this year. Not yet, anyway. But the door is open.

MLB has told owners to expect a full 162 game season. The league safety protocols would allow for fan attendance as early as Spring Training, in pods separated by at least six feet, with masks, etc.

Here’s a good breakdown of the protocols for Spring Training. Fans in attendance will no longer roam the back fields or cram by the dugouts looking for autographs. The first three rows will be empty and seating will be limited.

As of now MLB does not plan on implementing a policy demanding vaccine cards for entry to stadiums. Plan on plenty of local and state agencies to do so anyhow, taking MLB off the hot seat for that decision.

Japan has a number of sensible measures in place and is using baseball as a dry run for potential Olympic attendance. MLB would be wise to look at their model and learn from it.

For their part, MLB stadiums across the country are being used as vaccination sites including Dodger Statdium and Petco Park in the Southland. Citi Field will be operating around the clock.

I realize this topic has serious potential to turn into a political debate and to a degree that’s unavoidable. I also realize this is a baseball forum and we use data here rather than simple platitudes. This isn’t a one size fits all pandemic and there isn’t a one size fits all solution. There are, however, multiple calculators to help you calculate your personal risk for a serious Covid illness and the risk for those in your household. Take a look and attend or don’t attend games according to your risk and comfort level. Just be smart about it, please.

Once the games to kick off, here’s the Angels Spring Training schedule as well as the Cactus League master schedule.

As far as who plays those games for the Angels, GM Perry Minasian recently said basically nothing on MLB radio. One constant during his tenure in Atlanta was a solid bullpen and there are still plenty of arms he could add.

One name off that list is Archie Bradley, who went to Philadelphia on a one year $6 million deal.

And who will be the voice of the Angels once the season begins? Friend of the site Victor Rojas has moved on to his front office goals, much to the dismay of the Angels faithful. The Athletic took a look at some potential replacements.

Prior to getting to know Vic I used to think he had the best job in the world. Then I became a husband and a father and saw how much time he spent away from his family. You just don’t get that time back.

As for a long form read or documentary to watch, I can think of only one thing as we head into a weekend dedicated to celebrating Martin Luther King Jr. I’m grateful every day for his impact. And, of course, he was a baseball fan and friend of Jackie Robinson.

Enjoy the extra day off if you get one. Be safe.

158 Comments
Newest
Oldest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Eric_in_Portland
Legend
3 years ago

interesting tidbit from CBS Sports

Griffin Canning’s swinging-strike rate jumped from 9.9 percent in his first six starts to 14.5 in his final five, and with it, his K/9 jumped from 7.5 to 10.4. His ERA dropped from 4.88 to 3.14.”

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago

He must have found an old recipe lying around of Bubba’s sticky stuff

Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Spin it!

steelgolf
Super Member
3 years ago

I’ll get excited if he can get into and possibly through the 7th inning on a regular basis, with a lead. I think this trend of twice through a line up and then turn it over to the pen, is not a sound strategy in a 162 game season.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 years ago

Brad Hand still out there? The Pale Hose have two closers maybe a trade here would work. We are closer to winning the division than you might think if we can get some pitching help.

Guest
3 years ago

Mets probably.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 years ago

With the Phillies looking to have their catcher resigning with them and the return for the Yankees to bring their second baseman back to the fold the dominos falling faster now. the waiting period is over. Kluber at 11 million was crazy high but pitching is at a premium and we may still be in a blockbuster trade for a pitcher otherwise we are in trouble. What is it about pitching that Arte does not understand? We fans know we need pitching help but the Angels seem to not see it. Jake Ordizzy and James Paxman are still out there but they are iffy, but iffy is still better than nothing.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

They will get someone. He will almost certainly be iffy. Or he will cost too much in money or prospects, will be a big splash just meant to get butts in seats, etc. No matter what happens, even if it’s nothing, we can still find a way to have a big problem with what ever happens. Unfortunately Arte is too stupid to use the tactic I endorse, sending Central American hitmen to convince free agents and other teams GMs to do what we want when we want.

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago

Right now with the latest settled pre-arbitration salary amounts, Shohei’s requested figure and the Suzuki signing, I’m calculating the Angels have about 16 million left to spend to reach last years budget. Thats not even close to one year of Trevor Bauer but that could get us at least one and a half Dark Knights

Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Check out the Suzuki article at the team’s MLB page; we still have $35M to the luxury tax cap!

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to 

Yes, I would be encouraged if the CBT thresh hold is the 2021 budget amount, but Arte has only met or exceeded the salary cap once in his 17+ years of ownership. He only committed to not reduce the 2021 payroll form 2020 amounts. He never said anything about increasing it.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

Again… a little talk from MS13 is all it will take to fit Bauer and, say Paxton, into our budget.

Guest
3 years ago

LAA should apply for a PPP loan – Pitching for Perry the Platypus.

Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah I know, LOL’d when I read it. Not nice to tease the fans.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 years ago

I would have paid Otani the 3 million. By going to arbitration you might save some money as a club, but is it really worth the potential outcome? We hear from our new GM that the team is relying on this guy to pitch effectively once a week and return to form with the bat and are fighting over in the world of MLB almost nothing. Arte is really starting to show what a crumb he really is.

Mia
Legend
Mia
3 years ago

I’d let him prove he can be that guy before we go out of our way to pay him more. The idea of him is great, now he has to prove he can make it a reality. He was…not great last year. Weird sample, I know.

Angels will make that argument, and Shohei will make the argument about his ceiling. We’ll see.

This is the system he agreed to by coming over early.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
3 years ago

Suzuki signing hopefully means Perry keeping all his trade chips for pitching.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
3 years ago

Ohtani the only Angel not to settle on a contract today? He’s such a tough one to pin point a value to, but it can’t be good for us long term that we now have to sit in an arbitration meeting and talk to him face to face about why he isn’t deserving of the contract he wants. Not a good look so far for Perry IMO and I wonder if Ohtani is pissed Eppler is gone? He was the guy to bring him in after all.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Ohtani was horrible last year, pretty ballsy move to me asking for $3.3M. I’d like to hear Ohtani’s justification other than his oddity as a dual pitch/hit player. To date, Perry has been very complementary, outward and supportive of Ohtani maintaining his dual role. I don’t think this is a bad look for the Angels (Perry).

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yes absolutely sucking at 2 baseball things instead of just one definitely deserves more money in arbitration.

Mia
Legend
Mia
3 years ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Ehh. We went to arb with Weave, and then he ended up taking a discount.

Business is business, these aren’t kids, they understand.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Remember Ohtani’s initial contract and bonus was a colossal underpay so his agent likely has been waiting for opportunities like this to increase Sho’s pay (but really, his own commission)

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

That’s good motivation imho as the player get the benefit too.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Kluber to the Yanks, one year $11m

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 years ago

That is more than I would have wanted the Angels to pay, with the risk associated. If he returns to form, it is a steal, but we couldn’t take a chance.

I am still hoping for two SP, one trade one FA. Fingers crossed.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

If $11m is too much, we’re in trouble.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 years ago

11M isn’t too much for a SP, but too much for Kluber with the injury history. I have bad memories of signing bounce back candidates for that price (Harvey, Cahill, …).

We could get Tanaka for not much more, Walker, Paxton, Oddorizzi, Lester could all be had for less.

Guest
3 years ago

Minasian claimed to seek reliable pitching if I recall correctly. I hope by that he means no bounce backs or high injury risk types.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to 

If we had a reliable 5-6 starters already, I could see going for the high-risk, high-reward FA signing.

That just isn’t our situation. We need a top of the rotation starter and a reliable middle of the rotation innings eater. If either proves flawed (lost stuff or injury prone) we are back in the Harvey/Cahill desperation again.

So, we hope the same!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Since over half the league sent scouts to watch Corey Kluber’s showcase event, it isn’t surprising that there was some significant money on offer for the veteran righty, who ended up signing with the Yankees on a one-year, $11MM deal. Several teams made eight-figure offers, according to SNY.tv’s Andy Martino, and the Yankees’ offer wasn’t the most expensive contract on the table.

Guest
3 years ago

Per MLBTR.

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago

So does this mean a “Stupid Arte” comment is due?

eyespy
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Cheap Arte, never forget cheap Arte

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

Cheap and stupid Arte

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I think it’s “Stupid cheap Arte?”…. like I’m not sure if I really wanted Kluber at 11M but I am 100% sure I want to bitch about Arte.

red floyd
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I don’t know about Stupid Arte, but Stupid Flanders is always appropriate, as is Stupid Sexy Flanders.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
3 years ago

1yr $11m sounds familiar, but unlike us, I bet this will workout for the Yankees

JackFrost
Super Member
3 years ago

Tend to agree….

FungoAle
Super Member
3 years ago

Pitching in that band box with his digressed repertoire??

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
3 years ago

the Skanks are in a position where if it doesn’t work they go “oh well” and spend more money elsewhere. For us if it doesn’t work it’s just a disaster.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

If the intent is to stay at or near last seasons payroll, isn’t that the reality with any SP we sign?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Yes. It’s pretty much reality for all the teams but the Doyers. Even the Sux and Yanks aren’t just kissing the tax limit on the way past for multiple years anymore.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
3 years ago

CHP?

Can He Pitch?

Guest
3 years ago

Speed trap.

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago

Erik Estrada?

Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Paunch.

admkir
Trusted Member
3 years ago

Would still like to see an extension for Bundy

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  admkir

So let it be written, so let it be done.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
3 years ago

With the money we have left – Suzuki is a fantastic bet. Love this move.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 years ago

Yep. He’s a solid vet with championship experience.

And at 1.5 mil it is a very good price.

Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

$1.5M for a used Suzuki?

Guest
3 years ago

I guess that means we’re out on Willson.

Last edited 3 years ago by pseudagm
Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to 

How about Granderson?

red floyd
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Is he available?

steelgolf
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  red floyd

4/58

admkir
Trusted Member
3 years ago

Stassi also signed

WallyChuckChili
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  admkir

I was hoping it would have been Max!

Guest
3 years ago

Scherzer.

Mia
Legend
Mia
3 years ago

Kurt Suzuki come on down…

Did ya know he went to CSUF? /s

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Mia

I am stoked on this. If we couldn’t get Caseli this was the guy I wanted. Solid part time catcher.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Mia

For 1.5 million, not a bad signing at all.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Stassi still scares the crap out of me. Was hoping we could have landed an above average catcher and limit Stassi involvement. But I am onboard with signing Suzuki. Let’s go.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

Suzuki is still capable of playing more than half the games if need be.

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I just pictured Kurt and Max by the pool at a condo in Orlando. That’s not what you meant is it?

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Decent signing….and since they didn’t sign Realmuto or trade for Contreras it means more money for pitching.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

Unless Arte green lights blowing well past last year’s budget, we are still going to have to trade for one of the two starters we need. To get a good controlled starter the prospect package is probably going to hurt.

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Well better to use those prospects for pitching rather than getting someone like Contreras.

Mia
Legend
Mia
3 years ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I learned something about trading prospects when the lakers sold all the young guys for Davis…

You get over it pretty damn quickly.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Mia

That trade has worked out pretty nicely for the Lakers, lol.

If nothing else big happens for them with AD they already won the Chip with him.

BI may turn out to be a multiple All-Star but that is not a lot to give up for a Top 3 player in AD.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Mia

As stated, $1.5M is a good signing. Not exactly a cannon arm but steals are not a big part of the game anymore.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Mia

“OK” signing. He’s weak defensively, but the bat still lives.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 years ago

Heaney gets 6.175 mil

FungoAle
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Bargain. I’m expecting a solid year.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yup I have seen this movie to many times.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 years ago

International signing: Angels sign Eiver Betancourt, catcher from Venezuela. Maybe he can start 🙂

No significant signings, all but two of the top 25 prospects have been spoken for and nobody is heading our way.

Last edited 3 years ago by FungoAle
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

We got Denzmer Guzman didn’t we? He’s pretty well regarded.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 years ago

He was their big signing, $2M. Ranks 29th on the MLB pipeline of international players. Dude is a SS with a good bat.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

Yeah I remember reading about him and din’t know the Angels were in on him. Not a bad pick up with the pool money.

FungoAle
Super Member
3 years ago

Yeah, their pool was $4,732,700. The other two signings were pitchers so at least they zeroed in on the correct positions; 2-arms, 1-C and a SS who profiles as a 3rd baseman down the road as he fills out.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  FungoAle

The numb6 1 ranked prospect signed for $2,050,000

Cheap Arte couldn’t cough up the extra $50,000

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago

Yes but either way, this prospect is only one quarter of the value of the great Bobby Baldoquin

Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah but he writes great romance novels.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I’m confused. Was he going to sign with us but the 50K was a sticking point? Were we gonna get #61 and #29 and those two pitchers and catcher but then we squabbled over 50K? Does this mean we still have 2M in pool money? Can we spend it on pitchers?

Or did you just see that the #61 signed for 50K more than the #29 prospect that signed with us and has no connection to us at all, you just did some math and that’s it?

If we can sign more IntlFA right now that would be cool.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
3 years ago

A buddy of mine knows the top International players pretty well. Says Guzman is a beast with the stick. His actions aren’t as fluid at short as a typical Dominican, he’s not that quick, but, he can really rake. Definitely projects him at third.

Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Noe Ramirez got a one year $1.175 MM deal with the Reds.

red floyd
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

comment image

Greatjake
Member
3 years ago

How would fellow members feel about a trade for Corey Dickerson & Jorge Alfaro? With the Marlins surprise success last year I’m not sure either is available but, if they are, they fit two team needs nicely. Maybe a Matt Thaiss/Jam Jones type plus going back?

eyespy
Super Member
3 years ago

If Japan’s model is based on a dry run for the Olympics, steer clear. It’s motivated by forces from outside of that country. During the whole pandemic, the Olympics seems to be only worried about holding the event as soon as possible. Never standing up to support COVID-19 relief efforts.

JackFrost
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  eyespy

“Forces from outside the country.” Hmmm.

Who could that be?

Last edited 3 years ago by JackFrost
Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago

There was a time when I didn’t know anyone who had gotten Covid. Now I either know personally or know indirectly (friends of friends) approximately 100.

There was a time where no one I knew had ever died of Covid 19. I now know five people who have died of Covid. Two of the deaths were described to me by friends of mine. I will spare you are the horrific details. Two of the 5 people I know who have died were healthy and under 50.

With that as an introduction, and with the infection and death rate soaring, I am having trouble coming to terms with anything involving fans attending something as frivolous as baseball games. It’s unnecessary and an unnecessary risk to the general public.

It will likely remain that way until hundreds of millions are vaccinated- but I have been informed that large numbers of conspiracy minded folks believe the government is installing microchips into you with the vaccine and are refusing to get it. Others believe vaccines are dangerous and are telling people not to get vaccinated. Sheesh!! Are you kidding me?! We would still be dealing with polio and small pox without vaccines.

The long and the short of it to me is there should be no in-person baseball until we get this all straightened out. It’s just not worth the risk. Or, if you want a middle ground position, only folks who can prove they have been vaccinated can attend baseball games. We have got to get a handle on this as a society before we even care about crowds of folks intermingling.

Last edited 3 years ago by Fansince1971
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

The vaccines were made under the Trump administration and I was told not to trust the back in October so now I don’t.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
3 years ago

wait, what? lol. It’s not like Trump made the vaccine. It’s been in the works for 2 decades. Even Biden took it. All that “trust” crap was a political ploy. Not saying you should or shouldn’t take it, but that’s a silly reason.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

wow, not sure how i missed that. good call

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The SARS chasm

Simba
Trusted Member
3 years ago
Reply to  cookmeister

What some were saying a while back is that the vaccine shouldn’t be rushed to market without proper testing. That was the “trust” concern, that the testing was going to be done on the population as a whole, if it was put out there too soon.

Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  Simba

Well it was objectively more than that – but even that is a statement of distrust of the FDA and their approval methods. These vaccines are not dangerous. They do not contain live virus. The distrust or lack of trust is rampant in the pro-wrestling-is-real crowd.

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
3 years ago

What does them being made during the Trump administration have anything to do with them being trustworthy? Some of you people, man…not everything is political.

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

You are correct. I happen to know Gitcho pretty well, having the same parents and all.

Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Rallymanatee

The good child?

TheCheetah
Member
3 years ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yes, this whole “vaccine template” method they developed could be INCREDIBLE down the line. In the end this whole Covid thing could save magnitudes more people than it kills if that pathway leads to some of the treatments I have read may be on the horizon.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Also read this morning UCI is working on a vaccine that targets 10 coronavirus proteins instead of just the 1 spike protein the current vaccine targets. In effect, it could prevent infection from future variants and new SARS/MERS type viruses that may not even exist yet.

Kinda neat assuming it doesn’t create the zombie apocalypse.

Cowboy26
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Can He Pitch?

Fansince1971
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Jeff – I understand and the mental part of this can be tough. I would respectfully advise against the trip – mostly because this is the time to double down on discipline. Whether or not you are personally at risk, there is risk if we as a society focus on our own odds rather than the risk to society as a whole. Look at it this way, if 100,000 people with low overall death odds travel to Arizona, what does that do to the overall odds that the virus magnifies in Arizona and someone unknown to you gets the illness and dies or has long term health problems. I think we have to think societally right now.

When I hear people speak of their own odds, I understand it but I think it’s a bit short sighted. We need to get past this thing. The more people think of their own needs and travel unnecessarily or eat at restaurants or have a drink at a bar that is supposed to be closed, the longer this drags on. Unnecessary travel in the middle of unprecedented Covid numbers is something to discourage in my humble opinion.

TheCheetah
Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think as vaccinations ramp up, we’ll see deaths and the hospital load drop faster than people are expecting. Of course, the disease can seriously affect younger people, and there’s still a lot of unknowns regarding the long-term effects, especially on the heart, but the people who die or get sick enough to end up in the hospital are very disproportionately older people, which is why they’re being prioritized for vaccinations.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

We just have to hope the new strains (UK, South Africa …) don’t spread. They aren’t worse in effect, but are more contagious and thus spread the disease faster. I can only hope the vaccinations come fast enough, and are distributed quickly enough, to help everyone.

Stay safe in California everyone.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The secondary impacts from those who have “recovered” can be pretty significant.

I have two family members who died of Covid, but they were both 80. On the other hand, I have three separate friends who have completely lost their sense of smell and taste, going on 2-3 months now. One was in her mid-40s, one early 50s, and one is a child, eleven years old.

red floyd
Legend
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Sorta same here. On December 20, Vickie’s mother died from COVID.

A resident in her assisted living facility went to Thanksgiving dinner with her family, caught it, gave it to the staff, who gave it to V’s mother.

Last edited 3 years ago by red floyd
YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I got it on xmas. I felt weird for the first 3 days, felt fine the next 2 days, and at day 5 lost my smell and taste. As soon as I lost those I started getting bad headaches which lasted for about 4 days. 8 days after I originally lost my senses, I started getting about 5% back. Day 20 and I’m at about 50% taste back and 30% of my smell back.

I haven’t had a cold in or been sick in over 5 years and this was the weirdest sickness I’ve ever been through.

Guest
3 years ago

Glad you’re on the mend. Two friends died in the last week.

Commander_Nate
Member
Trusted Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yeah this is pretty accurate, and is just ONE societal crisis we’re dealing with right now. People at the league office are kidding themselves with their plans for a full MLB season. We may not have a full season of America at the rate we’re going.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 years ago

Tomorrow, my son and I will get to enjoy week 2 of Little League clinics before actual try outs and the start of the season next month. The look of enjoyment on all the kids faces last week was amazing as they were reconnecting with all their former team mates and opposition players.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  steelgolf

That sounds fun. I don’t think we are allowed to do that.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

There is a whole back story to even get my kid to go to the clinics and play baseball this year, which included the obligatory “you are not just going to stay in the house and play video games when you are not in school” conversation. The mental health aspect affects the kids also. My kids started to argue with each other a lot until they got back to school, then magically they started getting along again.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Oh man, you don’t have to tell me. I am currently in the Covid industry since no graphic design is happening anymore. My current position sort of shakes hands with mental health workers a lot. My dad’s a shrink, was a honcho at Santa Barbara and Ventura County and I hear a lot from him and his friends.

No joke, next to death itself, the biggest possible tragedy of Covid is that the data itself on the disease is a circus fire. The jabs about car accident victims and people who were shot being “Covid victims”, much less flue/pneumonia deaths, are based in some pretty sad realities. So we aren’t going to learn a lot of important stuff we actually could have from this event.

Second to that, try to find any accurate data on suicide right now. Anything other than a general “officials fear increase in suicide BECAUSE OF DEADLY DEADLY COVID !!!!”. Suicide has been RAMPANT since about June. Incredibly high. But there is real pressure to under emphasize and under report how many people try or succeed at offing themselves now days because it makes lockdowns look bad. And again, we will likely never really be allowed to know how screwed with the data is on that. In fact a boss of mine knows of two suicides in Bakersfield…. that were listed as Covid deaths. There is an overpass by my work. two people have jumped off of it and two more have tried in the past four months…. something that I can’t remember happening at all in that location till this year.

And trust me, with the inflation, job loss and other crap that is still coming down the line the number will grow. It’s a really big problem. But hey, lockdowns baby, let’s do it!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

All of that stuff, on a societal cost level, worries me a whole lot more than Covid itself…. it could really screw us all up for a long time.

steelgolf
Super Member
3 years ago

“Sorry Folks, Spring Training is closed for remodeling, the moose out front should have told you”