LA Angels Thursday News Crash:

Yusei Kikuchi says he hopes to be able to return to play early in the second half of the season. Alek Manoah apparently cleared waivers and is officially outrighted to AAA Salt Lake.

Michael Stefanic was a free agent for about a day when the Athletics re-signed him to a minor league deal. The Padres released corner infielder Jose Miranda from his minor league contract.

Reliever Peter Strezelecki elected free agency when the Brewers tried to run him through outright waivers.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

Xavier Mitchell made his ACL debut tonight. One inning, one single, struck out the side.

Lefty, showed four pitches (sinker, four seamer, change, slider), 90-93 mph, topped out at 94. Got two whiffs on the changeup, K’s on the sinker and a surprise 77 mph curve he landed up and in to his final batter.

Mitchell is one of the four high school overslot bonus babies from the last draft (they drafted seven prepsters overall) – the ones who earned north of $870k each. We’ve gotten a peek at everyone now except CJ Gray.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 month ago

It’s safe to say we don’t have a closer.

AngelsFanInHell
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I’m sure Perry will bring Corky back by the end of the season.

smithy610
Super Member
1 month ago

Yes, we all greatly dislike the Doyers or grudgingly admire their operations, but there is a reason why they get top tier FAs while the Angels attracts rats:

“They’re known for taking care of players and being able to get the most out of them,” the MLB executive says. “The giant contracts obviously play a big role, but the way Andrew and his department are able to help players get the best out of themselves has become a major recruiting tool.”

But his vision, Friedman has said, was to build something deeper and more sustainable.

“We’ve talked about this for 10-plus years now, how the real guiding-light principle for us is trying to become a destination spot — where our own players don’t want to leave and players from other organizations want to come,” Friedman recently told Sports Illustrated. “Obviously, it’s easy to set our goals to win a championship. But we feel like creating that culture not only attracts and retains star-level players but also helps get the most out of their ability. I feel like we’ve really gotten to a point where it is incredibly strong.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/what-will-the-lakers-look-like-with-top-dodgers-execs-helping-lead-the-way-thats-the-big-question-in-la-184532926.html

This is from an NBA article about how the Doyers owner is putting the Doyers imprint on the Lakers, but references a lot on how the Doyers has one, if not the most, robust front offices l and medical and training staff in the league

JackFrost
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

They really haven’t gotten the best out of Kyle Tucker after that big contract, now have they ?

smithy610
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Do you doubt that he’ll eventually figure it out? He’ll probably be raking in June.

The truth is, the Dodgers have hit the lottery in their big $$$ trade and/or signings, most every single time – Betts, Freeman, Ohtani, Yamamoto, etc. So far the only suspect one is Sasaki. But he handled the Angels very easily.

Now compared that to big $$$ spending the Angels have done – Pujols, Hamilton, Wilson, Rendon. All have ranged from mediocre to abject failures. Are the Doyers going to be perfect every single time? Probably not. But their system and foundation give their players much more chance in succeeding than the Angels ever have, or will.

GonFishin
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1 month ago

I do think Mike Maddox has been a good addition. Other than Kikuchi, the starting rotation has been good. I saw a video of him giving Silent K some good pointers on his delivery after he was pulled in the 6th.

It is puzzling that the starters have been great under his watch, but the bullpen has been a disaster. That could be a talent issue though. Perry seemed to prioritize signing guys with fastballs 90mph or under it seems this offseason.

JackFrost
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1 month ago
Reply to  GonFishin

You can’t get blood out of a stone. I mean, what do you do with graybeard Yates whose arm won’t allow him to throw over 91 mph??

Pineapple12
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1 month ago

At least we have some hitting prospects performing well

C – Juan Flores (A+)
.255 / .347 / .528

2B – Moore (AAA)
.248 / .416 / .448

SS – Guzman (AAA)
.305 / .382 / .489

3B – Munroe (A+)
.250 / .410 / .519

OF – Raudi (AA)
.307 / .435 / .474

Can’t believe our very subpar farm is a more interesting follow than the big league club. It’s still May lol!

I’d love to see CMo, Denzer, and Raudi get cups of coffee later in the year once we create comfy separation at the bottom of the standings

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s just like old times. The farm got me through the 80s and 90s… though the 80s were a comparative boom era compared to now.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

79-86 was the organizational high point other than 2002-2009. We should have played in 2 WS.

LeonWagner27
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The Angels nearly went to the World Series in 1979 as well.

The Angels lost Game One of the ALCS, but it was a 3-3 tie after nine innings. Then they lost Game Two by just one run. And they had the bases loaded with two outs in the ninth inning of that one before Downing hit a ground out. Those first two games almost went the Halos’ way, and then they won Game Three.

Question: If the Angels don’t let Nolan Ryan go to the Astros in free agency, do the Angels win the ‘82 or ‘86 ALCS?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  LeonWagner27

I forgot about 79. And possibly to your question.

LeonWagner27
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I would include the exciting 1978 season in the first golden era of Angel baseball.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I guess there are questions about Munroe’s glove at third but he only has one error there this year with a field % north of .980.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago

Yea idk, that’s a question for Turks. I’m a prospect box score watcher. Maybe I change that this summer and tune in to some farm action.

I thought we had real starting pitching depth but it appears not.

AAA — Klassen is getting wrecked, Dana hasn’t been able to get over mono, Aldegheri is who he is.

AA – Johnson has finally been optioned down, Hurtado is older and still dealing, some dude named Juan Gonzalez seems kinda interesting, Gordon is getting crushed.

High A — roommates Bremner and Shores have been out all month sick, Snead looks awesome.

Low A – the trio of TGA Jordan and Soto, Haley pushed and struggling to begin his career

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MarineLayer
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’m no expert, but it seems improbable that so many Minasian draft picks have yieldied so little SP talent.

Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Maybe not this year but the rotation right now is better than it’s been in a long time. Soriano, Detmers, Urena, and Silent C are pretty solid and promising. Dana, Klausen, Bremmer, Shores, and Snead could all turn out to be viable.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I’ve rubbed off a bit too much on you! That’s some positivity haha.

Klassen has made 4 starts this month and pitched a grand total of 8 innings to a 19.13 ERA. I don’t know how that’s even possible haha. I was annoyed Perry called up, he clearly wasn’t ready. The rest of the season will be critical to determine starter vs reliever outcome.

I’m concerned for Dana health’s. Young kid still feeling the after effects of mono months later. I still project him as a backend starter.

Little doubt about Bremner panning out, but again let’s take our time with him. Snead is a huge surprise. We need to see a lot more out Shores before grouping him with his rotation mates.

What’s the plan for Soriano and Detmers? Controllable thru 2028. I’m looking to trade them. Silent C is a #5, which is fine every team needs one.

A 2029 rotation of Bremner, Urena, Silent C, Dana is pretty bleh. We’ll need several dudes to emerge from the Johnson, Snead, Shores, TGA, Jordan group. It could totally could happen, but I’m operating with extreme skepticism atm

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Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I agree with all that.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

He seems serviceable to me at 3B though a little range-limited and slow of foot. More solidly built than athletic, so he’ll have to keep conditioning up to stick there.

(That’s where I wouldn’t use fielding % to judge, as range-limited defenders often have fine fielding %s, as they stick to routine high-probability plays.)

tanana40
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Nelson Rada seems to be struggling. Still very young but I was hoping he was close to be ready.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

After years of bad baseball, sucking hard and drafting high, it’s abysmal that the Angels only have one prospect, Bremner, ranked in the top 100 across multiple sports prospect trackers. As Bremner was the No. 2 draft pick selection, I’m not sure he even should count. A No.2 selection better be on that list.

However, the recent ’24 & ’25 high school arms might bail Perry-ball out of his draft rut.

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago

The box score last night in Everett makes good reading. Two things thrilled me equally:

> Snead going 6 innings with no ER, 2 hits and no walks. He’s looking pretty starter-ly thus far… keeping the ball in the strike zone while avoiding hard, repeated contact… perhaps finding some of the nuanced “command” that his MLB scouting report says he lacked. Good to see at least one stretch-out project hit pay dirt.
> Flores with 2 jacks. Amazingly, this is the 20-year-old’s third season in High-A and the question marks around his bat are starting to straighten out. A Gold Glove-caliber catcher with .250/20 HR potential would be a glorious thing to have in Anaheim come 2028.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

Gave a bit of a rundown on this contest in last night’s post-game:

https://crashingthepearlygates.com/2026/05/20/angels-blow-it-vs-as-in-extras/#comment-468270

Flores is the most consistently underrated positional prospect in the Angels’ system, imo.

Just want to resurface Brendan Gawlowski’s capsule on Flores in the last Fangraph’s system summary:

Flores is one of the best defensive catchers in the minor leagues. Everything from his athleticism behind the plate to his receiving ability and arm strength to his intangibles — he’s bilingual and was reportedly very well liked by the pitching staff in Tri-Cities last year — is top notch, even though the Venezuela-native is only 19 years old. The scale is only good if you use all of it, and this is the best minor league defender I ran into in my time as a scout. Angels PD folks would tell you he’s been good enough to catch in the big leagues for a couple years now, and I agree.

The question here is whether Flores will hit enough to hit in the back of a lineup or if he’s destined for a reserve role. It’s important to be patient. Catchers develop slowly as hitters generally, and in Flores’s case, the quality of his glove and his employer’s development philosophy have led him further up the minor league ladder faster than his bat warrants. He looked stronger year-over-year, a positive for a kid who’s not all that big. I see a path to average raw and a swing that lets him yank fastballs inside-out to left. It’s the foundation of an offensive profile that could get him in the lineup some day….

You can argue for a 50 FV here. Seventy-grade catchers are rare and extremely valuable if there’s any kind of offense to go with it. Even when there’s not, Martín Maldonado’s career demonstrates what teams are willing to stomach on offense if they think their backstop is putting his pitchers in a position to succeed. Flores has a chance to be that kind of guy, and he’s correspondingly valued here despite my serious reservations about his bat.

Flores is outpacing even Gawlowski’s optimistic projection this season. The bat is coming along more quickly than anticipated.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Crazy that’s he still one of the five youngest in the NWL. He and Snead are currently ranked No. 19 and 20 by MLB… that seems destined to change.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

I’d probably rank Flores in the 6-8 range on my own board, and Fangraphs is similar (they had him at #8 preseason). Some orgs just don’t value catcher defense as highly, and in a changing ABS landscape, I get that.

In Snead’s case, I think the rankings all make sense, as what we’re currently seeing – and this is really just in the last 4-5 outings – is nothing of what he was in college. This is all new.

While often a pitch-to-contact guy (as much by accident as by design), he struggled with both command and control, and often got hit hard. Solid curve, but the slider was meh, and the change seldom used. His sinker induced a good amount of GBs, but not the 60%+ rate we’re seeing in May – that’s elite.

I’m really not sure even the Angels could’ve predicted this pitcher – impeccable command, excellent sinker location, baffling vertical drop on the breaker – tough to get under much. I’m still waiting for the smoke to clear and him to get lit up, but he’s on a good run over the past 4-5 outings. We’ll see if he can sustain into summer.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Defense matters more when the guys you have that are playing bad defense are also not hitting. It would be different if Lowe and O’Hoppie had .800 OPSs.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Our current catchers can’t hit at all and they can’t catch either so we’re willing to stomach a lot.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The catcher pipeline in the system is actually a good one at present. Quintero at low-A is also a defensive wizard – threw out 49% of baserunners last season, and I’ve seen him make plays I thought nearly impossible.

These kids are probably late 2028 ETA (if the Angels take their proper time), but they both look MLB probable to me.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

This and some of the other information that has been discussed here means the club should be looking at a 2028 timetable for the opening of a window and considering if any current players will be an expensive part of that window or whether they should be traded for other 2028 prospects. that’s why I’m for moving some of those players for players that fit the 2028 window if it makes sense.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yeah, Flores is never likely to hit at a .240 level but the old adage, a Catcher is a defensive position first. Gladly take a defensive stalwart behind the plate and let it run for years. Evidently, Cleveland feels the same way by trading a comp pick and a prospect for Bailey.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Either offense or defense is certainly better than neither which is what we currently have.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

See, I don’t know – what we’re starting to see at High-A may dispel that notion. I think there’s a potential .250 hitter here – early projections had him more a Jose Molina type, but he’s showing more Bengie this season.

He’s getting the ball into the air more – roughly 30% groundball rate vs 40-45% in earlier seasons. He’s also waiting for his pitch more, and his whiff rate is a couple points lower than last season, while being marginally less pull heavy. Like look at this centerfield HR from last night – nothing cheap about it:

https://www.mlb.com/video/juan-flores-homers-7-on-a-line-drive-to-center-field

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Since almost no one on the current team is hitting .250, that would be spectacular.

MarineLayer
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1 month ago

So there’s competition for worst front office in baseball. How about Frisco giving up breakout Kyle Harrison AND minor league stud James Tibbs for Rafael Devers entire bloated contract. That is just BIGLY awful! Buster Posey is a genius. And the cherry on top is he brought in MinASSian’s brother to help going forward.

Pineapple12
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Minasian brothers are clear examples of succeeding upwards based off networking abilities not talent

MarineLayer
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Agreed. I’m so glad we don’t own Devers contract.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

This is so the type of thing Artie would do. Zack beat Perry to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBQD15TdDjU

MarineLayer
Legend
1 month ago

Zach versus Perry in a foot race to the buffet table at 50 yards would be somthing I’d pay to see over two seats to a game this year.

FungoAle
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Buster tried to make a big splash,Giants had some capital. Adames and Devers have not hit like they did with their old teams and he has failed to get top flight starter along with . One thing about Posey, he is trying to off-load Devers, Adames and any other high valued non-producing contract. He realizes its not working. That is a good thing. Gave up on Harrison too soon and to get Devers, had to trade Tibbs. Red Sox were the team that basically gave away Harrison and Tibbs. Craig Breslow is the wrost GM after the Minasians.

The biggest fuck-up under Posey was listening to Zach Minasian about hiring Tony Vitello as manager. It was Zach that brought Vitello to Buster’s attention and stumped for him to get the gig. Sadly, Buster bit.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I’m amazed that in this day and age, nearly 50 years after Bill James provided valuable insight backed by analysis in some of his original Baseball Abstracts, that people still don’t seem to understand or at least pay attention to things like park effects and platoon differential.

Carney Lansford went the other direction from hitting in the high .280s in 70s Angel Stadium to hitting .330 in Fenway and winning a batting title. When you are thinking about acquiring someone from Boston you need to look at their road splits and recognize they will likely not see a lot of LH pitching at home there either.

Fred Lynn came this way as a LH .300 hitter in Boston with a substantial platoon differential, and became a solid .280 hitter in Anaheim. Fred Lynn was just as good of a player here but where you play matters.

Just in general, offense is elevated in Boston and some other places as well, and depressed in others.

SD19
Trusted Member
1 month ago

You know things have hit a serious low when my good buddy who’s a die hard A’s fan and loves to talk trash hasn’t said a peep all series. He must pitty us that much

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  SD19

Well, A’s fans are still smarting due to the no-no collapse in game one, and felt they barely sweated out the game three win, as Civale showed signs of regression.

They’ve been holding on to first place by their fingernails with inconsistent pitching and offense (though outside of Lopez, the rotation has exceeded expectations).

MarineLayer
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

They are so much closer to actual contention than we are on almost no money. All they need is to develop a little more starting pitching. They also have the SS they got for Mason Miller on deck.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

By the time DeVries is ready they might have two years of Kurtz and co before they, too, are shipped out. That’s the problem with their model… they cash-in talent before the $$$ manifests and their windows of contention are always slamming shut.

MarineLayer
Legend
1 month ago

Maybe the monitor will change when they have a better revenue stream in Vegas. Regardless of their business model, they’re sure are better at picking up talent.

FungoAle
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yeah, uneven results at the moment but on the cusp. This is not even supposed to be the A’s year, too early but they still might win this division.

A’s trying to do things differently. Kurtz will get extended like Wilson, Rooker, Soderstrom all did. Sadly, Langeliers will be gone. Bora$$ client. Shea should stick around for Vegas but watch the Yanks snag him.

On the pitching side, they are counting on the progress and success of Jump and Arnold, I’m not too sure if the team can attract top flight pitching when they play in their new stadium. The elevation in Las Vegas is the same as Coors Field and foul territory to be the smallest in baseball. Power alleys are 380′ and 415′ to center.

30,000 seats, tiered seating close to the action…It’s going to be a great place to watch baseball.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago

Oh rats – we lost again.

BruinsAngelsKings
Trusted Member
1 month ago

While I know I’m far from the only one, and I know it makes no difference to the organization, what Moreno has managed to do over the last few years is turn me from a fan that would attend 8-10 games a season (either on the club level or the Diamond Club) into someone who didn’t go to a single game last year, is 99% sure to not attend any games this season, and barely watches an inning or two on TV anymore, if I watch at all.

I’ve become completely apathetic toward the team because they’re nowhere close to being fundamentally sound, and they have less than zero chance of making the postseason, if a less than zero chance was mathematically possible.

The way Moreno and his staff have taken this organization from the highest of highs to whatever you want to call this low is both shocking and astonishing at the same time.

AngelsFanInHell
Super Member
1 month ago

I, for one, think opossums are totes adorbs, so I will go to probably two Wednesday day games this season. I will scream my head off with “Sell the team” and “Arte Sucks.”

I won’t buy anymore merchandise while Arte owns the team.

However, I am a glutton for punishment and will still watch this abysmal trainwreck of a team on a regular basis. Most of us Halo fans are masochists by nature.

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YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
1 month ago

Is totes adorbs part of the joke? Just checking lol

AngelsFanInHell
Super Member
1 month ago

I’m truly only going to the game to get my own opossum. I only see them in my backyard a few times a year.

dontbatvlad4th
Member
1 month ago

I’ve only gone to games the last 3 years just to take my son (he’s younger); maybe 1-3 games per season. But that is about all of the baseball I end up watching.

Jim Atkins
Super Member
1 month ago

Been a fan since the mid-70s. I really don’t see the point in watching this team anymore. Simply bad from top to bottom. Senseless. Then again I saw the Cubs and Reds a couple of weeks ago in Chicago and it reminded me of the joy of baseball.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

When no one claims the guys you DFA shouldn’t it be a clue that you don’t want them either.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Exactly.

FungoAle
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

They were originally available because no team wanted them

smithy610
Super Member
1 month ago

If Mike Trout is as checked out as he looked like last night, I think he should just get it over with and ask Arte for a trade. Let both sides fulfill their respective destinies – Trout to play for a playoff contender and Angels get their first 100-loss season, another feather to Arte’s cap as Angels owner

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

I guess it’s time for the reality again that nobody will take Mike Trout with his bloated contract. So, Arte would have to eat the majority of it. Never going to happen.

smithy610
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yes I know the reality he’s not tradeable. But if he makes his trade request public, it will put immense pressure on Arte. Whether Arte does something with it or not, who knows. But Trout letting the world know he wants out of the Angels is the dam that that everyone is waiting to see break.

Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

I can see your point but I don’t think it’s within Trout’s personality.

PedroCerrano
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1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

MNT is a classic example of golden handcuffs. His life outside of baseball with home and family life is probably really solid but he goes to work everyday to a crappy job with people who don’t seem to care. He can’t move on because he makes too much and his current company isn’t going to give up anything to help in that effort.

MarineLayer
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1 month ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

It looks like he’s finally starting to be part of the workforce that also doesn’t care

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
1 month ago

Josh Lowe is so laughably bad at both defense and hitting. I don’t know how he ever managed to put up a decent season in 2023.

Not only did the Angels trade to get a player after two years of severe decline, they gave away a decent bullpen piece (Brock Burke) who has remained a decent bullpen piece for the Reds. I’m all for the tank this year, but you aren’t supposed to trade away your good players for bad when you do that. There are plenty of bad free agents you can sign.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago

Manoah cleared waivers? How? There has to be some High School teams looking for guys that throw 88.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago

Imagine, if in 2023, Shohei Ohtani had unleashed his two-way prowess for the Tampa Bay Rays, if only for a few months. Imagine if he had been traded for Junior Caminero, who would now be starring at third base for the Los Angeles Angels instead of the Rays.

A blockbuster involving those players, carrying mammoth implications for both clubs, was seriously discussed before the 2023 trade deadline, according to people briefed on the conversations.

It didn’t happen, of course. For the second straight year, Angels owner Arte Moreno decided against trading Ohtani, only to lose him to the Los Angeles Dodgers as a free agent four months later.

The Angels, on the other hand, soon will face renewed questions about whether to embark upon a selloff as they sit on the worst record in the American League with a general manager, Perry Minasian, in the final year of his contract. Their manager, Kurt Suzuki, is also on a one-year deal.

Caminero, then a 19-year-old at Double A, would have been one of two top prospects heading to the Angels for Ohtani. The other would have been shortstop Carson Williams, who was then a 20-year-old at High A. The Angels would have wanted additional talent, even though Ohtani was only a rental. The Rays were willing to include lesser pieces to close the deal, league sources said.

For the Angels, Moreno’s refusal to bring the trade to fruition represents yet another what-if from Ohtani’s time in Anaheim.

Prior to the 2022 deadline, when Ohtani was under club control for two pennant races, the Angels discussed an Ohtani trade with the San Diego Padres that would have brought them a comparable or perhaps even better package than the one the Padres ultimately sent the Washington Nationals for Juan Soto, who was under control for three races.

The Nationals’ six-player haul for Soto included outfielder James Wood, shortstop CJ Abrams and left-hander MacKenzie Gore. As previously reported, center fielder Jackson Merrill also was part of the discussions for Ohtani, according to sources briefed on the talks. It was not out of the question the Padres would have included him if Moreno was willing to proceed.

But Moreno balked then, and balked again the following year. The Angels finished both seasons 73-89. If they had kept Ohtani, it would have made their failure to trade him forgivable. But their only compensation for losing the best player in the world as a free agent was the 74th pick in the 2024 draft, which they used on right-hander Ryan Johnson.

Making matters worse, the Angels compounded their problems when they turned into buyers instead of landing Caminero, Williams and potentially more from the Rays. They have yet to be haunted by any of the prospects they traded. But several have appeared in the majors, and could have been used for other moves.

Entering July 26 of Ohtani’s final season in Anaheim, the Angels were 52-49, 3 1/2 games out in the wild-card race, with playoff odds of 16.7 percent. That day, they acquired pitchers Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo López from the White Sox. They then added first baseman C.J. Cron, outfielder Randal Grichuk and reliever Dominic Leone prior to the Aug. 1 deadline as well.

Their plan flopped spectacularly.

The Angels lost 19 of their first 26 games in August. At the end of the month, Moreno authorized a massive waiver dump that cost the team five players, including Giolito, López and Leone. But the shocking purge worked as intended, getting the Angels under the luxury-tax threshold.

“What might have been” tales from past deadlines are common in baseball. Rarely, though, are proposed trades as impactful as the ones the Angels could have made for Ohtani, first with San Diego, then with Tampa Bay. Caminero alone would have filled a third-base void created by the disastrous signing of Anthony Rendon, giving the Angels a building block for the future.

Alas, it was the same old story.

Moreno said no.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7296204/2026/05/21/shohei-ohtani-trade-rays-angels-2023-moreno/?unlocked_article_code=1.kFA.j9my.fMSIEnU0-m2P&source=athletic_user_shared_gift_article_copylink&smid=url-share-ta

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

SELL THE TEAM! SELL THE TEAM!

bobblanton
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Sell

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Arte doesn’t care. People can parade through the stadium wearing “sell Arte sell” emblazoned on their bodies and it won’t make difference…because he’s never wrong. Perry won’t get fired because he blindly follows Arte’s plans.

Resistance remains futile.

All the complaints feed Arte’s ego. It might make the remaining fans feel good to protest, but it ain’t going to change a thing.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago

If they did porn – Perry would be Arte’s fluffer. And Suzuki would be Perry’s.

Last edited 1 month ago by HalosFanForLife
MarineLayer
Legend
1 month ago

In the PG world, he’s the intern who gets the adults coffee.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Unfortunately, our player personnel geniuses would have turned Junior Caminero into Brandon Wood.

steelgolf
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

This team is cursed at 3rd base. Ever since Carlton arrived fashionably late, by a whole day, to the winter meetings, and Beltre was already signed by The Rangers. The baseball gods did not overlook that transgression and decided to relegate The Angels 3rd base to baseball purgatory. This is why we are left to watch the amazing, blunders feats of Moncada.

smithy610
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Our last great 3B was Troy Glaus – more than 20 years ago. Yes, we had some band-aids like Callaspo and Freese. But haven’t had a long-term solution that the org has tried to build around or integrate to the team. I guess that was supposed to be Rendon but we know that turned out into LOLZ

dontbatvlad4th
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’m still so exhausted over them not trading him with a year and a half left  😂 

tanana40
Super Member
1 month ago

Please sell!

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