LA Angels Monday News Crash: Even Stevens

Chad Stevens got his first major league hit and then was caught stealing second base. Hector Neris signed with the Houston Astros.

Bobby Jenks passed away at the age of 44 from a form of stomach cancer.

The Braves selected the contract of 41 year old phenom Jesse Chavez. The Giants just activated Matt Chapman and designated Sergio Alcantara for assignment.

Another yankees pitcher will probably undergo Tommy John surgery. This time it is Clarke Schmidt.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Fansince1971
Legend
5 hours ago

Dodgers losing to Brewers 7-0. Love it!

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 hours ago

Lineup:

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TrojanBoiler
Super Member
8 hours ago

What the heck are we going to talk about on here after the trade deadline passes?

No more arguing over whether we should trade players and what they might be worth. It’s going to get real boring.

Pineapple12
Legend
8 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Give this board a little bit of credit. Topics will include:
— Liam Doyle at #2 and why he’s the worst draft pick of all time
— Mike Trout is washed!
— Arte is the devil!
— Perry is a moron!
— We have to tank!
— Fire the coaches!

Plenty of bulletin board material. The more negative the better

2pints
Trusted Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

you forgot:

  • that guy we traded away is good, why’d we let him go and get peanuts back for him?

and/or

  • that guy we didn’t trade away sucks, why did we keep him instead of getting Team X’s best prospects for him?
TrojanBoiler
Super Member
6 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

LOL definitely this

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
6 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think we will be doing plenty of rounds of Ray Montgomery griping

I forgot we can always argue about whether Perry sucks or if it’s really Arte that’s responsible for all the bad decisions.

Twebur
Legend
6 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

I’m looking forward to rooting for the demise of the Doyers.

Pineapple12
Legend
8 hours ago

Big Dic Vic is back!

Angels transactions:

•Recalled RHP Victor Mederos from Triple-A Salt Lake
•Placed RHP Hunter Strickland (right shoulder inflammation) on 15-day injured list

https://x.com/LAAngelsPR/status/1942356987897077935?t=-yKkpSpOard8t8W_vfY95w&s=19

Twebur
Legend
8 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Ball in seats… What’s your vector Victor?

RexFregosi
Super Member
10 hours ago

if they decide to sign me after ball after ball ends up in the RF bleachers, do I get me entrance fee back?

Twebur
Legend
7 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

“The Judge’s Chambers” and 3 rows back “Section Rex”

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
10 hours ago

Yes but can Perry get top talent in trades? Last years exciting acquisitions include Klassen and Aldegheri with their 1.500+ whips at Rocket City. Kavadas, Lugo… sometimes, probably way too often for all teams, trading vets does not bring in anything of lasting value. Still, we can hope

Phil
Member
10 hours ago

For today:

Jacob deGrom has faced Angels 2 times, with 1-0 record, 0.82 ERA, 14Ks
For the season, he’s 9-2, 2.13 ERA

Kikuchi has faced Rangers 9 times, going 4-2, 4.75 ERA and 40Ks.
For the season, Kikuchi is 3-6, 2.81 ERA.

Oh boy, it’s gonna be tough game tonight!

Here’s a strategy – if an Angels batter is up 1-0 (or 2-0, or 3-0), take a strike. Raise that pitch count up, and see if you can get deGrom out of the game before the 6th inning.
Of course, that would also entail not swinging at the first pitch (yes, you – Rengifo, Neto, O’Hoppe).
Just a thought.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Phil

You’ve successfully identified the culprits

FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Phil

Great pitching matchup tonight, thanks for posting the historicals.

#OldTImeBaseball

Phil
Member
11 hours ago

Well, that Toronto series was no fun.

Here comes Texas Rangers.
Trout has .325 BA, 222 hits, 44 home runs, 123 RBIs, and 151 runs scored in 189 games.
Of course, most of those came during Trout’s prime years.

In his last 15 games vs. the Rangers, Trout is batting .228, 1 HR, 5 RBIs, and 9 runs.

But, wait, it gets even worse:
In his last 9 games vs. the Rangers, Trout is batting .182, 2 RBIs, and 5 runs

Pineapple12
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Phil

Let’s balance out the negative slant, why dont we.

Mike Trout over his last 16 games

.235/.451/.431
151 wRC+
25.4 BB%

https://x.com/Jared_Tims/status/1942284086254658051?t=L7-IZ2S5zYGSTm6sBpRdYg&s=19

Phil
Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Fair enough.
I want to see Trout do well. I want to see Angels win.

But, I won’t bend the knee to Angels organization and blindly cheer them on. I’m not paid by the Angels, so am not beholden to blathering out the positives while ignoring the negatives.

Pineapple12
Legend
11 hours ago

We are running the table 7-0 before the ASB just so Arte and Perry can buy and continue to torture CTPG

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That would be very on brand for how this season has gone so far lol

RexFregosi
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

yes and it will be led by the kids because we know the vets won’t do anything at all to increase their trade value.

Pineapple12
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Cant wait tbh

FungoAle
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

No matter if he Angels win or lose any of those games, Perry should be looking to improve the depth pieces. A good GM can do this w/o mortgaging the future.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
12 hours ago

I’d like to see a full yard sale. You can resign any of those players next year unless they have another year left like Ward and D’Arnaud.

Cowboy26
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Let’s do it.

what’s another 10 years of below .500 mediocrity anyways?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TmIhddn0c

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

True dat. Holding onto Ward and Travis for one more season will totally fix that whole mediocrity problem. Boo hoo trades. I demand magic contention powers. The head rots from the intestines first after all.

RexFregosi
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Trading Taylor Ward for magic beans to plant in RF. Haha.

If the CtPG plan is fairy tales, why then Rumpelstiltskin should be our new GM!

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
13 hours ago

If Halos lose both Tex and Az series, thinking Majority wants the dump, but Perry trades with who and for what? I see Padres wanting Ward and dArnaud but their prospect depth is not great, maybe their 25th pick? Looking at prospects: Tigers, Brewers or Rays seem like the best contenders to have something good to offer us. Forget Dodgers , Arte would say no.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  CAoldskoll

I don’t think they can trade pick #25. But they have some prospects that fall right in range with what teams will be trading for Ward.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
11 hours ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

from the Sporting News:

“Unlike other draft picks, competitive balance draft picks can be traded. However, they cannot be dealt simply in exchange for cash, and can be traded only by the club to which it was awarded. In other words, the picks may be traded no more than once.”

so that means picks 33 thru 43 are tradeable and I suppose 66 thru 74 (Competitive Balance B)

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
11 hours ago

yes, those two tiers are eligible for trade. Note, though, that the Dodgers and NY have picks in that range that are not trade eligible. They were punished by going over the top luxury tax bracket and had their picks pushed back 10 slots.

FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago

The Sporting News is a poor mans Charmin

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You made me laugh!

toad2065
Trusted Member
7 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yes it is. But more than 50 years ago I was one of many serving overseas who eagerly looked forward to getting my 1 to 2 week old copy. They used to do a magnificent job of printing every box score. It was our only way of keeping up with favorite teams and players. They also had good writers, Sad what they have become.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 hours ago
Reply to  toad2065

by more than 50 years ago it might be 60 years ago or 65 or 68 years ago. Both the Sporting News and Sports Illustrated were exceptional back then.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
14 hours ago

Perry is in a tough spot. The young kids are playing well but the veterans surrounding them are not and those are the guys he’ll need to trade.

Ward’s value is pretty good. Two years of a bat that is providing power but not much else.

Anderson’s value is not great. He’s a rental and not especially cheap. But he should bring back something interesting.

Ditto for Jansen

Rengifo’s value is the lowest it has been in a couple of year.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Gotta just do what we can. Of course, the move I’d make is trading Anderson and covering some of his salary to get a better prospect return. Fat chance. Rengifo. I know that it’s a totally different comp, but KeBryan Hayes and his long contract are getting trade interest. Sure, he’s Brooks Robinson with the glove, and the back problems. But if he’s drawing some interest Rengifo may be able to get some traction. Especially if he keeps hitting OK for a couple the rest of the month.

It’s less that I think we’ll get some crazy haul of prospects for these guys. It’s that we shouldn’t hold on to them long term and we should get something for them on the way out the door.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
14 hours ago

I’d just keep Anderson at this point. He’s not going to bring much in trade and mid-rotation, reliable innings eater is an asset. As starters go, he’s cheap.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

How can someone simultaneously be considered an asset but also not have any trade value? Seems like if he has value, then well, he has trade value as well to at least some extent.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Not being sarcastic but it is because the Angels aren’t very good. Actual good teams want pitchers at the deadline that will make a difference in a playoff run and TA doesn’t move that needle. It’s a better for a playoff team to take a flyer on a high ceiling guy with control issues (Buehler) who could figure it out for a few weeks. TA is just okay but it’s a really long season, every year.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
8 hours ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Lol ok I get what you’re saying.

Our treasure would be another team’s trash I suppose.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

This is exactly the time the Minion needs to earn his salary.

milehigh
Member
13 hours ago

This is exactly the time Arte needs to listen and blow up any idea of “we will be competing “ and sell Rengifo, Ward, Anderson, Jansen at a minimum.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

There’s also an issue with replacements. The Angels have used a lot of players on the field and don’t really have any one to fill in for Ward/Rengifo if they are traded.

I’m fine with replacement level players and an eye toward long-term improvement, but I suspect Arte will want to continue to field a “competitive” team in August/September.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  AnAngelsFan

My friend. I give you Niko Kavadas, Kyreen Paris, JD Davis, Tucker Flint, Ben Gamel, Bryce Teodosio, Scott Kingery, Chad Stevens, Mathew Lugo and Yolmer Sanchez.

Time to burn some chaff.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
13 hours ago

Bingo. We might find out one or two of these guys can play. We might find out they all need to move on in life.

I think we’ve found out we can start a team with Neto, Adell, Schanuel, O’Hoppe, Soriano, and Detmers with O’Hoppe still being decent.

That leaves us about 33 players away from being a contending team. Let’s add some more guys while seeing if we can find one or two under our noses.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
12 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m still pulling for Paris. He brings a lot to the table. He runs well, steals bases, plays very good defense at multiple positions and hits for power. He just needs to make more consistent contact. He’s a more advanced Jo Adell at 23. the establishing of Paris and Moore would narrow down our positional needs to a 3B and a LF.

Cowboy26
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Unfortunately Professional baseball is littered with highly talented prospects who never learn how to hit.

BTW Kyren Paris maybe hurt. he left last Thursday’s game and hasn’t played since so not sure what’s going on with him. The same thing maybe true with Nelson Rada . He left last Fridays game and hasn’t been heard from over the entire weekend

RexFregosi
Super Member
11 hours ago

These are the replacements ages – these guys are not the youth movement you are thinking of. These dudes won’t carry us to the end of the decade.

we should just resign Taylor Ward.

there is nothing of MLB caliber left on the farm.

Niko Kavadas (26)
Kyren Paris (23)
JD Davis (32)
Tucker Flint (24)
Ben Gamel (33)
Bryce Teodosio (26)
Scott Kingery (31)
Chad Stevens (26)
Mathew Lugo (24)
Yolmer Sanchez (33)

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  RexFregosi

I didn’t say they were young. I said they can replace the guys we trade in 2025…. because they are not dead.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
11 hours ago

Rec’d just for ‘Kyreen’ lol

RexFregosi
Super Member
10 hours ago

We had another young OF (27 yrs old) too that is arguably better than anyone on your list in March.

Maybe if we trade Taylor, we can bring back Mickey Moniak.

FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Let’s hope the only Mickey we see in Anaheim is at Disneyland

FungoAle
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

He has come alive for the Rockies. Basically cut for Tim Anderson. SMH.

FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago

bet you could not say those names without a chuckle

MarineLayer
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Minasian IS the tough spot. His decisions have put us where we are.

milehigh
Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

None of it due to Arte? None at all?
The pitcher draft, yes. But I also blame that partly on crappy scouting that Arte got rid of.

2GA2Join
Super Member
13 hours ago
Reply to  milehigh

I blame the pitching draft on Arte too.
Arte saw that we had a limited time left with Ohtani, and our pitching sucked. He told Perry that he had to get pitching quick and cheap, because he wasn’t going to go past the salary ceiling for it.
Who knows who Perry might have drafted if he didn’t have the silly Ohtani nonsense over his head.

FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Source?

toad2065
Trusted Member
12 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

This is an unfounded position. Minasian is the best GM we’ve had since Stoneman. Think back to Reagins and Eppler if you want to blame somebody for our current state. Their drafts were crap and the free agent signings were worse. The glimmer of hope we have currently is due to the Platypus.

Cowboy26
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  toad2065

The Angels 2009 draft was crap?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  toad2065

I don’t think Perry’s GOOD. But he’s pointed his face in the right direction and generally makes moves that are sensible. All moves are risky. Some fail. At least he tries shit. And he’s upgraded the farm and scouts somewhat. ALL GMPOBODOPDEIEIOs deal with ownership direction. That’s another CtPG Guy myth. The FO that just never hears from the owners.

FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  toad2065

Outside of Neto and Schanuel, 2-very high 1st round picks, what has Perry done?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
11 hours ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I’d rather have Perry and his staff picking #2 than whatever Washington is doing now with their chaos and the #1.

RexFregosi
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Re-sign Taylor Ward – 4 more years – character counts too.
One of the best dudes to play here. Make him a lifelong Angel.

Do it Perry!

RexFregosi
Super Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I don’t think Perry is in a tough spot, unless his boss’ s expectations are to make the playoffs in 2025. He does have two big decisions to make in the next year but I wouldn’t mind being the GM here.

  1. He has to nail the 2025 draft and get some true value at #47 and beyond.
  2. Unfortunately and sadly, he will have to get a new field manager soon (hope not!)

He can’t really do much at the deadline – just no assets to deal!
and no reason to either to make a trade. I’m all for making us better but its doubtful it can be done – so I don’t think he is in a tough spot or under any pressure.

If we are sellers there just won’t be much at all in the return except magic beans.

FungoAle
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Bring up RJ for Anderson, you NEED to move him, now. Ward is a little trickier because the Halos do not have a replacement but he should be dealt.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 hours ago

Upcoming series with Texas may actually favor the Angels. Texas is pretty awful on the road with only a .400 win percentage. Their offense is struggling with no starter having an .800 OPS. The majority are in the .600s. No one has hit more than 13 HR – very un-Ranger like. If the Angels can average 5 runs per game this series they should do well.

That said, the Angels will face the big 3 in DeGrom, Corbin and Eovaldi. .

Prediction : a 2-2 series split.

Last edited 16 hours ago by Fansince1971
JackFrost
Legend
15 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Lol. And how do you suppose the Angels are going to “average 5 runs per game” in this series” ????? Only five teams are averaging that many runs per game, and we are going up against the best pitching staff in all the Major Leagues with a team ERA of 3.23 !!

We would be lucky to average 3 runs per game, let alone 5 !

In addition the Rangers braintrust has been looking ahead to this series for weeks. They set up their rotation perfectly with future Hall of Famer Jacob deGrom (2.13 ERA) going in the all important first game and then Nathan Eovadi (1.75). I mean, you mention they face these guys and yet you have the gall to suggest they could average 5 runs in the series ??

After the Angels lose the first two games and drop 5 games below .500 they will be reeling and will be lucky to take a single game. This series could very well be a nail in the Angels coffin and it starts tonight with a big fat L.

Last edited 15 hours ago by JackFrost
Fansince1971
Legend
14 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I have the gall?! 😂

I just said if they can score 5 they likely win. Maybe even 4. Not suggesting they will. Chill out dude. It’s baseball not world peace.

Last edited 14 hours ago by Fansince1971
2pints
Trusted Member
14 hours ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

you f’d up bro

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

Sheer naive poppycock. You deserve a good mocking and a stiff rebuke!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

Man. You are really into the “they set there rotation up” themes. Like the entire baseball playing universe is jiggering their rotation to face us. We are on their minds constantly. Let me guess. “Why doesn’t our manager and coaching staff do this?”. The latest complaint body pillow?

April 1st was the nail in the Angels coffin man.

Last edited 13 hours ago by gitchogritchoffmypettis
Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
13 hours ago

The rotation wasn’t set up but we’re getting the top 3. That’s baseball. Sometimes you hit a team on a skid like we did in NY, sometimes you catch a team’s top 3 starters like we will this week.

JackFrost
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Not always true Jeff…. If you follow certain schedules they list probable pitchers next to game dates and times…The Rangers absolutely did change their rotation last time we faced them in Texas…They took off their number 5 starter and moved Mahle up, or I think held him back from facing prior opponent. He was their best pitcher at that time.

No surprise but he shut us out in that first game and they went on to sweep that series. So, yeah sorry to disappoint you and gitch but this stuff does happen. It looks like it occured naturally this time around but from time to time those things are done..

Last edited 12 hours ago by JackFrost
2pints
Trusted Member
12 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

so you admit you were talking out of your ass when you said this?

In addition the Rangers braintrust has been looking ahead to this series for weeks.”

JackFrost
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

No, I wasn’t necessarily talking out of my ass…. My language was intentionally a little dramatic for effect, like if you have ever been to a play or the theater… The actors project and exaggerate certain gestures so people all the way in the back can see it…. That is kind of what I did…

Gitch should know cause he does this all the time, regularly.

Last edited 12 hours ago by JackFrost
2pints
Trusted Member
11 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

but you weren’t replying to Gitch, so not sure what that has to do with anything.

Seems like you were being your naturally bombastic self, and then once called out on how ridiculous what you said was, you are now saying it was all theatrics. Sure buddy.

JackFrost
Legend
10 hours ago
Reply to  2pints

What difference does it make if I was replying to gitch or not…

2pints
Trusted Member
10 hours ago
Reply to  JackFrost

why even bring him up in your reply to me?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  2pints

He is fixated. He can’t stop thinking about how I think he’s full of shit the way Rainman can’t stop thinking about Wopner.

2pints
Trusted Member
7 hours ago

now now, he’s not “full of shit”, he’s just being theatrical!! Can’t believe you have the gall to think otherwise.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 hours ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

My unsolicited $0.02….

IFFF teams sometimes do jigger their rotation to face certain opponents, it would likely be done against Divisional opponents…..

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

My ass is brilliant. Top ten ass-IQ

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Oh Jeff, you sweet summer child. Dig deeper. Dig angrier. Do bitter.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

HARR HAR YAR! YEW SAIT TEEEM MAY WIN AH GAMES CAUSE RANGEES NAH SO GOO! AH PISS ON YEEEWW! AH KNOGH FEELZ OF PLAYERS INNARD GOOP! YOU DUMMY! HOW DIZ TEEM NAH BAD? I SAY BAD!

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
18 hours ago

Here is hoping that everyone here found ways to enjoy the 3-day 4th of July celebration.
At least with all the BBQing and bean bag throwing and beer drinking I didn’t have to suffer the loss of the being swept in Canada, (BTW, are they a state yet, is that why the game was not somewhere south of Toronto?

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
18 hours ago

Toronto winning by one run and our pen not holding down leads is frustrating. Good for Trouty hitting another one run HR. Too much pressure when one or both Neato or Shanny is one base maybe. Maybe is my failing eyesight, but does it not seem that Fish Breath has slowed up considerably, or does he pick and choose when to accelerate. 🤔 

BannedInLA
Super Member
14 hours ago

Blaming the BP for getting swept in Toronto is off base.

We scored 8 runs over 3 games. That was the problem.

Our pitching was definitely good enough to win.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
14 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Agree. Let’s face it – our pitchers have to perform flawlessly every game to win.

FungoAle
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

All those games could have gone the other way, trAdition

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

How many of those were lost by the Pen?

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 hours ago

So losing by one run in all three games, two of which were extras, is the BP’s fault alone?

If you don’t score runs, you will eventually give up a run to lose.

Pointing out the BP in this context is akin to buying new tires for a car that needs a new engine:

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Trout does, indeed, literally choose not to accelerate. They have said he’s holding back to preserve the knee.

toad2065
Trusted Member
12 hours ago

Unfortunately, I think Mike is toast. He can still run into a fat pitch once in a while and hit it a long way, but otherwise is adding no value. Very sad to see.

Cowboy26
Legend
12 hours ago
Reply to  toad2065

Well if hitting .282/.437/.436 over his last 142 plate appearances is toast. I’ll take mine with extra butter and jam please.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yep. Sure, he’s not Acuna Jr. But he’s still very worth playing, he just got off to a really slow start. But current Trout? I’ll take it. If he get’s a little better I’ll even be pretty happy.

FungoAle
Legend
9 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

He’s hitting over .300 with RSIP, he has managed to stay relevant with walks and a few hits. Looks ugly doing it but okay. Sadly, Mike is now tethered to the DH role and has forced the team to put Soler in right. Not the best situation as the Halos are forced to give up a lot of athleticism.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
18 hours ago

At what point does the fan base say enough and demand ownership change?

Example: Philadelphia – Kansas City – Oakland – Sacramento – Las Vegas A’s. Nope, not so fast there know it all breath, City of Lost Wages has point out that the A’s need to pony up more money for the project to continue.

Forget just a fan base or city making demands, how about the other owners voting to take over ownership of a sinking franchise.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

At what point does the fan base say enough and demand ownership change?”

This is where the whole comment became pointless. Plenty of the fanbase has loudly demanded ownership change for a long time. I have also demanded supermodels get into chunky poor dudes of average height. Both are equally weak shit. Nobody cares about a fan base demanding a new owner. Maybe those fans. That’s it.

Your examples also don’t make any sense. The A’s owners have not changed either.

Owners will NEVER force an owner out unless the owner is doing something so shitty that ALL the owners are 100% sure they will never ever want to reserve the ability to do the same stuff. Like Marge Schott.

Same as all people. We never directly judge people in our own lives because we want to feel safe screwing people over ourselves. Shame is for total strangers we’ll never have to meet.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 hours ago

If Angels fan’s decide not to go to games, well then, that would be making a demand.

max
Trusted Member
max
6 hours ago

I’m doing my part

steelgolf
Legend
20 hours ago

So the Washington Nationals just fired their POBO and Manager a week before they choose first in the 2025 draft? Hmmmm. Not something you would normally see unless there was a big issue between ownership and the POBO about who the team should draft. The Nationals just became a draft “wild card” as to what player they will pick.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
18 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Major League Baseball offers job security, just don’t buy a house in your new neighborhood, you might not even get a chance to use your new lawn mower. 😚 

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
17 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Firing Mike Rizzo and Dave Martinez makes some sense for the Nationals, but the timing doesn’t
By Ken Rosenthal
July 7, 2025 1:31 am UTC

Indifferent. Apathetic. Disconnected.

All of those words seemed to apply in recent seasons to the Washington Nationals ownership group headed by Mark Lerner.

Well, wonder of wonders, ownership just snapped out of it, at just about the oddest time imaginable – one week before the Nats will make the No. 1 pick in baseball’s amateur draft, and less than a month before the trade deadline.

The timing of the Nationals’ dismissals of president of baseball operations Mike Rizzo and manager Davey Martinez on Sunday was so sudden, ownership did not even appear fully prepared.

Lerner named a successor for Rizzo, assistant GM Mike DeBartolo, but held off announcing Martinez’s replacement until Monday. Bench coach Miguel Cairo and Triple-A manager Matthew LeCroy would appear the most logical candidates.

If Lerner and Co. were desperate to draw attention away from themselves, a theory advanced by one former team executive, they sure had an odd way of going about it.
Not that Rizzo, the game’s second-longest tenured head of baseball operations, and Martinez, the manager who led the franchise to its only World Series title in 2019, necessarily deserved to keep their jobs. The Nationals’ 37-53 record is the fourth-worst in the majors. More telling, the Nats since 2019 rank second in the majors in losses, ahead of only the Colorado Rockies.

True, ownership needed to decide this month on 2026 options for both Rizzo and Martinez. But general managers almost never get fired before the deadline. The last time it happened, as far as I can tell, was when the Minnesota Twins dumped Terry Ryan on July 18, 2016.

Ryan, at least, got to oversee the Twins’ draft that year. In 2021, the draft moved from June to July. So in dumping Rizzo, the Nationals are leaving both the draft and deadline to DeBartolo, the new interim GM.

The No. 1 pick, as the Nationals know well from their selections of Stephen Strasburg in 2009 and Bryce Harper in 2010, is a monumental opportunity for any franchise. By now, the draft boards of most teams are in relative order. But picking first isn’t always about simply choosing the best fit for an organization. Teams sometimes operate strategically, taking a player they can sign for less in order to spread their bonus pool money to other talents in later rounds. That strategy might make particular sense this year, with no clear No. 1 pick emerging.

The deadline, for the Nats, is perhaps less meaningful – they do not figure to be terribly active. Among their players on expiring contracts, reliever Kyle Finnegan is perhaps their most attractive chip. Right-hander Mike Soroka just went on the injured list with a strained right biceps. Infielders Amed Rosario and Paul DeJong, if moved, wouldn’t figure to bring back much.

Rizzo, of course, made one of the best deadline trades in recent memory in 2022, acquiring two players who were named National League All-Stars on Sunday, left-hander MacKenzie Gore and left fielder James Wood, as well as a third who was a strong candidate to make the team, shortstop CJ Abrams.

That deal, as I wrote on May 27, could mask only so much. The Nationals’ failures in player development, as well as in amateur and international scouting, go back more than a decade. Rizzo made changes to scouting and player development at the end of 2023. But they might have been too little, too late.

Lerner, in announcing the moves Sunday, resorted to standard ownership speak, citing a need for a “fresh approach and new energy.” Which, in a vacuum, is not an unfair analysis. But ownership previously extended Rizzo on several occasions, in part because they could not seem to imagine anyone else leading the organization.re’s future in Washington will now be the responsibility of interim general manager Mike DeBartolo. (
If anything, the dismissal of Martinez was more surprising. As The Athletic’s Britt Ghiroli wrote last month, Martinez was well-liked by ownership. He signed his last contract before Rizzo agreed to his.

Perhaps ownership decided it had enough of Rizzo’s strong personality. And perhaps Martinez’s comments after a loss to the Miami Marlins on June 14 marked a turning point in how ownership viewed him.

“We’re not going to finger point here and say it’s on the coaches. It’s never on the coaches. Sometimes you’ve got to put the onus on the players, they’ve got to go out there and they’ve got to play the game.”

Martinez later backtracked, saying of his players, “It wasn’t on them. My comments (were) nothing about them. They know that.” But it’s never a good look when a manager blames his players.

Lerner’s statement, naturally, made no mention of ownership’s own culpability. The Nationals had a top-10 payroll seven of eight seasons between 2014 and ‘21. In the past three years, however, they’ve averaged in the bottom 10. And Rizzo seemed to take a shot at Lerner and Co. on the way out, telling Barry Svrluga of the Washington Post that he “navigated that ownership group for almost 20 years.”

The fallout from all this is coming soon, first with the draft, then at the deadline. If ownership allows, perhaps DeBartolo will take an aggressive approach with trades, entertaining offers on players who are under club control beyond this season. The boldest thing he could do would be to listen on Gore, who is at the same level of service Soto was when the Nats traded him in 2022.

An extension for Gore is unlikely. Like Soto, he is represented by Scott Boras, who generally prefers his clients to establish their values on the open market. For a pitcher of Gore’s quality, one who is available for three pennant races, the Nationals perhaps could acquire three or four building blocks.

Of course, such a move would require the type of vision Nationals ownership rarely shows. Firing a losing head of president of baseball operations is defensible as long as ownership has a plan. When ownership makes such a move just before two of the biggest transactional days on the baseball calendar, it’s fair to question what that plan might be.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
16 hours ago

“The Nationals’ failures in player development, as well as in amateur and international scouting, go back more than a decade.” And here I thought that was only an evil Arte problem. 

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
16 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

There are more than just “one or two” similarities between the franchises.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 hours ago

But a lot of differences. For example the Nats had a succession plan in place when they took the team off the market.

Arte on the other hand will live forever and is getting stronger every day.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Arte the zombie?

For reference, there are several ways to kill a zombie, but the most satisfying method is to stab it in the brain with a wooden stick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_TK7bFbfao

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
13 hours ago

For one obvious reason this won’t work.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
13 hours ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

What is “Arte does not have a brain” ?

PedroCerrano
Super Member
14 hours ago

The biggest exception is that they had the nerve and foresight to trade Soto. Not trading Ohtani when his value was skyrocketing is the single biggest miss in Angels FO history and there have been many bad moves. I say that even as someone who idolized and emulated Nolan Ryan.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 hours ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

Yes but the Nats all got a ring in 2019.

With Arte we’ve gotten dick.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

CtPG Guy loves dick though soooo…. silver lining?

max
Trusted Member
max
12 hours ago

But not Arte dick, tho

FungoAle
Legend
9 hours ago

INSERT <falling sausges over face> Gif

Twebur
Legend
7 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

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JackFrost
Legend
7 hours ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I think they are hot dogs, not sausages.

Just sayin.

steelgolf
Legend
16 hours ago

What a mess. We will probably never hear exactly what happened to make Lerner decide on the nuclear option this close to the draft and the trade deadline.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 hours ago

I can safely say this is what drove the plan (or lack there of) :

https://x.com/BNightengale/status/1941987855120867706

Cowboy26
Legend
16 hours ago

So now the Nats should trade Gore for prospects after acquiring Gore as a prospect just a few years ago in a glorious rebuild .

Wash Rinse repeat.

Stoopid Perry we should be trading all of our prospects too

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
15 hours ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

…or the team could follow the Arte & Minion option of watching your star walk for nada

Last edited 15 hours ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I’m not saying you’re one of them, but when I wanted to trade him in 21, 22 and 23 as he got more expensive and had like a 1000 value on the trade sims the VAST majority of this site was in “YEW DONE TRADE UNICORN ALL THYME STARZ!” and “I just love him so much, we should try to win with him. I think we can resign him.”

It’s only since the 2024 season started that the goldfish memory on this site morphed to “We are all angry with the FO for not trading Ohtani when they should have.” Hell, almost everyone on here was in “go for it! Unicorn window!” mode when we made the hated Giolito series of trades that actually made sense at the time as far as “go for it” trades go.

You just don’t trade Bade Root Senator. Never ever ever never.

RexFregosi
Super Member
15 hours ago
Reply to  steelgolf

A billionaire being a billionaire.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  steelgolf

Man. POBOs fix everything. It’s not just a way to keep an AGM in the fold as GM while also keeping your GM as a fancy new POBOEIEIO.

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