LA Angels Weekend News Crash: Trout Down, Kids Up.

Another week at 3-3. The home series win over the Rays followed a home series win over the Astros so there were plenty of good vibes to be had. An injection of young talent and a better record means Angels fans should feel better than we have in a while.

That vibe was dampened a bit with the series loss in Arizona. Clearly that series loss was due to the DFA of all world great guy Trey Mancini.

And, oh no. The bad juju from the Mancini release continues as I type this. Mike Trout is headed to a familiar spot: the IL. And Christian Moore is coming back to Anaheim. Well, first Sacramento.

I am excited to see this new look Christian Moore. Kid has been on fire lately.

Moore will land in left field where he has played in Salt Lake City. That should move Wade Meckler and Jose Siri into centerfield. Siri is definitely a better defender than Trout and Meckler likely will be as well.

I interviewed Meckler this week and am behind on the second installment. He really is a good dude. I met him at the Angels free baseball clinic and saw him having fun running kids through the drills. He is a combination of really driven but also down to earth. Even in a fun setting you can tell he’ll give you everything he has every game.

Side note: Turns out it is really important to add the word “baseball” between the “free” and “clinic” or you get some interesting looks at times.

And to circle back to the Mancini angle, I absolutely love the dude. My first interview with him is my favorite interview I’ve ever done. This week I was lucky enough to interview him again and it was just as awesome.

If there’s anything I’ve enjoyed most about having greater access it is getting to interact with some of the players. Reid Detmers and I laughed about me trying to pitch to my 5 to 7 year old baseball team last year, for example. He’s just a regular dude who happens to be great at baseball.

Hopefully you enjoy the interviews with your morning coffees. I will get more.

Are you enjoying the youth movement? I am. Walbert Urena is giving me hopium for a brighter future.

This could be just the beginning of something really good. If Arte was intelligent (I know) he would sign Mike Maddux for life right now.

We will need another kid to step up, at least temporarily, as Grayson Rodriguez is back on the IL. I really am digging Caden Dana’s WHIP and would give him a shot. I’d also love to hear Maddux’s take on the golden locked righty.

And I’m loving Reid Detmers starts. He is pitching lights out. Which means he would fetch a haul if he was traded.

There are a ton of logical reasons to trade him. I think the best reason to hold onto him is Perry Minasian, who sucks at identifying talent.

From around baseball:

The College World Series has been great. North Carolina has been the best overall team in my eyes. Oklahoma has come on strong once the playoffs started. The Sooners starters have come up big for them.

Those two will square off in the finals starting tomorrow night.

Chicago is having a really nice season. No, not that one, the other one.

Bryan Woo is a stud and he looked like a stud again this week.

And this ball was absolutely crushed:

Enjoy your weekend and link what I missed. Summer is in full effect and I really wish it was light this late year round. If you grew up in OC you have no idea how blessed you are to have the best summers in the world. I wake up and feel like I’m on vacation every day.

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grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Wow what a fun day down on the farm!

• All six affiliates notch Ws.
• Myriad plus performances on the mound, including spin-rate-monkey N. LaCourse with his best outing of the season (5 IP, 1 H, 7K). TGA gets a win.
• 3 more hits for TJ Ford. Who is this guy?
• Alvarez homers, Davilillo gets four hits.
• And the piece de resistance: fleet phenom Juan Cespedes with 8 SBs in the DSL. Eight! In one game!

Rule Halodom!

GrandpaBaseball
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1 month ago

The owners of MLB teams pay billions of dollars for their franchises and see a lesser return from their “investment” than NFL owners and therein lies an issue. MLB has copied the NFL in many aspects of their sport and are looking for ways to leverage additional income by subtraction they have the perfect guy as commissioner because Manfred did not grow up as a baseball fan, he is a businessman/lawyer/negotiator first.

Drafting fewer rounds and not including preps will lose in courts, but it would save the league money for a while. A penny saved is a penny earned mentality, less rounds saves money. Having a salary floor saves big market teams money, equating to less shared. Having less rounds means less spent on the minor leagues per team.

Expanding teams from 30 to 32 and charging 6 or 7 billion per each new franchise is money going into the owner’s pockets, not their teams unless they chose to use that money on their teams. Currently there is not enough talent to supply 30 teams and at 32 teams it becomes a sport that the public could chose to not follow. It’s already too hard to follow the coming and goings of 30 teams. Some proof of the public following the sport is now how cities and counties participate in stadium funding from not at all to funding for smaller venues. It is after all much tougher now days to feel the call to help billionaires.

Once again in a few months the MLB Owner’s will feel they will have the publics support and the “Hammer” in a lockout of the players, and they (the owners) will be willing to risk the game and its history for the sake of money that is more perceived than real going into their pockets. The feeling of entitlement by MLB owners stems from the purchase price they are willing to ante up to join a small club of sports team’s ownership. They all think they can be the next Jerry LJones or Guggenheim owning the Dodgers.

MLB is in trouble, even more so since Bud Selig looked out for owner’s profit while claiming ignorance over steroid use and big numbers putting money into baseball now with Manfraud being the lead shark representing the owners what will be a power struggle that the owners can’t win.

Ownership of MLB will only be the same as always in one regard, owners can’t help but overspend on free agents, so why would the players agreed to a cap or even a floor, why would the players agree to less drafting rounds or lessening the number of minor league teams or expansion without receiving a large percentage of the expansion monies. There has been 3 lockouts/strikes that have always hurt the MLB owners, players, and fans, the possible lockout/strike will be no different as greed is always the common denominator.

IMHO, the best way to go about all this is first recognize that there are two leagues, not just one MLB. expand to 16 teams per league. Lessen inter-league play to make regional series more important to the fans. With two leagues fans can follow 16 teams’ comings and goings a lot easier and return to arguing which league is better. Allow a hard cap and hard floor. (In the NFL and NBA players are still making the big bucks. The owner’s still can’t stand not spending long term dollars.) Also notice that fans of NFL and NBA don’t give a darn about who plays who and when, in MLB it was always a thing about having different leagues until copying the NFL was instituted and new fans have been losing the identity of the important learnings of the history of the game of MLB

One rule I would implement is if an ownership has 6 losing seasons in a row he has to sell his team to the highest bidder the following December. Merry Christmas to the fans.  🎅 

Have any ideas to add or change, feel free to post them, I am interested.

grichmanpoorman
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1 month ago

Juan Flores is Top 50 prospect. Fight me.

https://www.milb.com/player/juan-flores-808129

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

Little pushback from me. I’ve been arguing that Flores is a top 5 prospect in the Angels system for much of the season.

The rarity of 70 grade defensive catchers with that much power is enough to place him on national lists. His glove has been MLB ready since 18. Now he’s shown he can hit for average and power.

milehigh
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HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  milehigh

I don’t believe anything in pre-negotiations. So much of it is posturing. They will put in things they don’t really want – just to give in on that point in the final negotiations. The draft pool money is chump change in the entire budget.

milehigh
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1 month ago

True. But even publicly saying what amounts to no high school drafting is out there, to me.

HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago
Reply to  milehigh

Until a high school kid ranked high challenges them in court and they lose their Sherman Act exclusion. The MLBPA association represents players paying them – so these high school students are not being represented at the table. A high profile kid that was ranked like a Grady Emerson (it’s not this year, but you get the idea) – due to receive around $10 million who now may get injured has a strong case. Let’s say they do that in 2027 – Striker Pence for instance. Their anti-trust exemption needs to be pulled.

milehigh
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1 month ago

I’m not seeing an issue with the Sherman Act or the subsequent rulings since the Act was in place. Those govern major league players. High school players are not employees of anyone in MLB so they have no standing to sue.
Not saying the anti-trust exemption should stay, but I don’t see a high school kid or anyone younger than 20 being able to sue.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  milehigh

There’ve already been a ton of response pieces to this non-starter of a proposal. The reaction for the scouting community is predictably brutal.

There are so many reasons why it’s a bad idea, but the top of the list:

  • Forcing kids into college is a stupid idea, and hits lower-income and minority kids hardest. A lot of these kids aren’t built, or ready, for college.
  • College programs aren’t optimized for player development – they’re optimized to win. Freshmen that need to work on stuff aren’t going to get regular playing time.
  • The highest impact players in the game have often been HS draftees (Trout, Harper, Stanton, Griffin, McGonigle).
  • It clearly shrinks the bonus payouts for players, but it’s also just a bad deal for MLB teams, who get tons of added value from locking up young players on mid-sized contracts.
  • College players are not “safer” – just as many underperform after drafting, and the age curve does not necessarily benefit MLB clubs. Graduating HS kids at 20-22 at the MLB lengthens their prime years, over guys at 23-25 who may break down sooner.
HalosFanForLife
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1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I think it’s a total misdirection. They like to develop them themselves – that’s why they pick them. Just posturing.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago

I actually don’t agree – it’s a foreshadowing of what they ultimately want to achieve. They’ve wanted these changes for a long time, and minor league contraction was just a first step. Virtually everything they proposed was on the table prior to contraction.

The signature scouting quote in the BA featrure was: ““I am disappointed but not surprised.”

Sure, they know that they won’t get all of this next year, but I think it’s certainly where they want to end up, eventually, even if it takes multiple CBAs to get there.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I’m also opposed to the idea… but none of these arguments are exclusive to baseball. For example: A lot more lower income and minority athletes (at least proportionally) go into fb and bb college programs than baseball… and the most talented generally seem to find their way to NFL and NBA, whether or not they’re built for college.

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
1 month ago

The US National Team looked really competent again today. This is the best team we’ve had in decades probably.

All we needed to do was hire Russell Crowe as a coach and fill the roster with a bunch of guys who weren’t raised in the US.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Ted Lasso needs to make an appearance.

MarineLayer
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1 month ago

Christian Moore starting in the outfield and looking pathetic is so Angels.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I can’t believe we’re trying to convince ourselves that he can play the outfield at the MLB level.

This team is a joke of the highest magnitude and it’s only gonna get worse. Perry is actively burning the remnants of the house he’s already burnt down

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MarineLayer
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Not that I’m a fan, but if you can’t bring up Josh Lowe in this “shituation” then you should just DFA him and use his place on the 40 man for someone else. Minasian’s roster construction is beyond pathetic.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Left field is way easier to play than second base. Middle infielders should be able to make the adaptation. Clearly it takes a little time, but give him reps to learn the angles and reads and it’s so doable. Much easier to move a second baseman to outfield than move an outfielder to second base. Don’t get me wrong – he looked out of place and needs more time.

Last edited 1 month ago by HalosFanForLife
Fansince1971
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

And what bothers me is Jeff becoming a cheerleader to gain access. I’m considering cancelling my monthly subscription/donation.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I personally think Jeff is responding to the people he’s interviewing more than kissing ass. I think he’s genuinely enjoyed the people he’s been interviewing and responding accordingly. I still see him kicking in teeth of the stuff he’s passionate about.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

It’s called being a professional

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

No offense to any journalist – but I personally rank them as a group lower than politicians from personal experience. I used to have a high profile business and they would flat out and blatantly lie in stories and ignore our factual response, if it added sizzle to the story. One cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars on a total fabrication. My favorite all time movie is Absence of Malice. I totally got the character and came very close to using that as a model for revenge. Basically decided positive energy would bring me more value – but I was very close to messing up a dudes life with a pretty well thought out trap.

Good journalists are rare indeed. Jeff is a good one in my opinion.

TrojanBoiler
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1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

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Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You need to get some new oatmeal 71

GrandpaBaseball
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

He is not a capable enough infielder in the majors. Among PTP other failures an additional one that has always escaped him is to recognize good fielding as a prerequired box to check when drafting. It could be with Mr. Moore we have an outfielder in training at best.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago

Our dear heavenly Gitcho…

Hope you’re doing well up there in self-imposed CTPG exile. We earthlings just wanted to let you know that one of your Tiger Beat rave-fave org “kidz.”, the statuesque 6-foot-4, 235-pound, all-muscle Dominican outfielder Randy De Jesus, is in the midst of a career-reviving season at Tri-City. Strikeout rate still crazy, but he’s walking a lot more, making hard contact a lot more (actually hitting a few doubles this year) and has a fancy .855 OBP halfway through the campaign.

We lay this at your altar in the name of Nolan Ryan, Gene Mauch and Vladdy.

Amen.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
1 month ago

Honestly, the one thing that will revive De Jesus’ career is improving his contact rate. HRs are up across the MiLB, and his BB% is up because pitchers are pitching around him more.

But his contact rate is identical to last year, at the same A+ level he’s currently repeating: 62.6%. And his K rate, at 35%, is even a touch higher than last year.

As someone who genuinely wants Randy to succeed, I wish any of this translated to AA (or MLB) success.

They recently promoted a similar profile in Anthony Scull (65.6% contact rate at Tri City), and he’s hitting .174/.208/.304 now at AA.

Compare Jake Munroe on the same club as Randy – similar # of longballs, but a contact rate of 80.6%. That’s likely to play at AA, though I think he’ll have some weeks of adjustment himself.

Jo Adell had a contact rate at High-A of 75% prior to promotion to AA, and that presaged a half decade of K rates that made him nearly unplayable at times.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

Moore was channeling Neto last night with 3 and almost 4 Ks. When Suzuki was asked about Moore, he said the plan was to play him at 2B, 3B, and LF. We’ll see if that actually happens. I am convinced Moore is a bust until I see otherwise. The only place he should be playing is LF.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

If CMo is playing LF it should only be in the minors until he actually learns how to play the position. It was egregious to start him in LF yesterday and 100000% on Perry and Suzuki.

Nobody fucks up their prospects better than Perry.

Last edited 1 month ago by Pineapple12
Roy Hobbs
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1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Add to that yesterday’s conditions with the wind were challenging for any LF. They should have brought Lowe up if they needed another player on the bench and let Moore finish the year in SLC and then try to win the LF job in spring training.

JackFrost
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Why not just have him play the infield instead of veteran Madrigal? Yeah, Madrigal has been good, but he is clearly not our future, C-Mo IS. We are not going anywhere this year so just let C-Mo work to become a better defensive infielder while also getting MLB at bats…This just shows the stupidity of Perry. Instead of signing Madrigal C-Mo should have been brought up to be a part of the infield.

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GrandpaBaseball
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1 month ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Why is Moore our future? If he can’t field then he is in line for trading, DHing or backup.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

“Egregious” is egregious. He played 80 errorless innings in LF in SLC this season. That doesn’t make him (checking AI) Brett Gardner, but it probably makes him better than Soler. Seems like a very reasonable place to play him in the present moment.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

9 games is not much

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

And not just nine games, ten fielding opportunities total.

Whether an individual scorekeeper decided he physically mishandled a ball tells us nothing about the difficulty of the plays, his routes, his ball tracking, his relative range, etc.

Pineapple12
Legend
1 month ago

9 career games in LF is not proper preparation. He looked like a dude who’s never played the outfield before

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Totally agree that’s not enough. He needs more seasoning.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I am going to echo what Roy said above though, having watched almost every A’s home game this year:

That field gives even seasoned OFs fits. On a breezy night, even more so. Tracking balls is hard there, and the “delta breeze” notoriously blows

Soderstrom was last year’s Gold Glove in LF, and I’ve seen him misjudge the trajectory of many fly balls in Sutter Heath Park.

BannedInLA
Legend
1 month ago

I don’t think playing LF (or not) is the reason he struck out 3 times. Whatever the case, let’s just play him almost every day for the balance of the season. I think his bat has a chance to stick, but only time will tell.

As I stated above, I would just leave him in LF at for the next 3 months.

Pineapple12
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1 month ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Can we at least let him learn the position in AAA first?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think he was just saying that if he’s going to be here, play him in one position everyday.

toad2065
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

What’s to learn? For someone who has played infield for his whole life, LF should be an easy transition. Many others have done this.

Turk's Teeth
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1 month ago
Reply to  toad2065

But “transition” still assumes some weeks or months to adapt.

He’s had 10 fielding opportunities (not games – ten balls hit to him total) all year in LF, in atypical PCL parks, and Sutter Health isn’t training wheels – it’s an extreme offensive park with winds that blow the ball out and toward center field, changing trajectories. You only master it through experience and repetition.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Agreed.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’ve thought SLC stats is fools gold for years.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
1 month ago

The angels used to agree with you and really test their guys in AA, not sure if that happens anymore.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 month ago

Edmonton calling

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I would like for Moore to ultimately be successful but his problem last night was the same as he had in college, fastballs above the belt. The pitch he hit in his 4th AB was down.

toad2065
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

So, you are suggesting he has Trout disease?

smithy610
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

So the contact is then the next best thing to evaluate. The same thing happened with Denzer but he’s not striking out at an insane rate. As long as he’s making contact, the hits will eventually come.

I’m worried CMo is more K-prone, which will not bode well, especially if the plan, which is likely, is to yo-yo him between the majors and the minors this season.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Not from a contact perspective they weren’t. He was making consistent contact, his hard hit rate was roughly the same as AAA, and he only struck out twice in his first four games. (One of those was a curveball in the shadow zone that Trout would K on nine times out of ten.)

Sometimes BABIP in small samples is a thing. 🙂

FungoAle
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It’s not just Angel prospects. the entire league plays in high elevation or incredible heat or a combination of both. I care little about high batting averages and power numbers of the PCL AAA.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

But nothing about Moore’s performance last night was down to park factors. It was about pitch recognition, and overaggressive swing decisions.

Sutters Health is a AAA park after all!

BannedInLA
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

At this point, I think we should have him remain in LF the rest of the way and start him almost every day.

Guzman is at 3rd and Peraza at 2nd.

Lastly, can we PLEASE dispense with the CMO nonsense until he at least hits .220 at this level? Christian Moore is his name.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I think everyone here agrees with you regarding your first 2 sentences.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Oh, I thought it was pronounced See-Moore as in I need to CMO

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

Christian Seymour

steelgolf
Legend
1 month ago

I already checked off Meckler’s name on my All Star ballot. It would be awesome if he was The Angels representative, though as of now, it looks like it would be Detmers, who they really shouldn’t send.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  steelgolf

The “Detmers Dilemma” can be solved by trading him before the All-Star break. Trade Soriano and Neto as well, thereby leaving “The Meck” as the only one with good enough stats remaining in an Angels uniform available for the ASG.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago

We are on the same page. Do it now while he is peaking.

eyetoeye
HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Trout looked like he needed a break. Hopefully it’s a mild strain and 10 days is all he needs. But let’s be real – guys don’t usually go on 10 day if it’s mild – so we should expect it to be longer. Unless of course it is mild- and it was an excuse to give him a needed break. Perhaps he wants the time and really doesn’t want to go the All Star game – so he comes back right after. I’m not saying he’d milk it a little – but subconsciously that might be the timeline.

Last edited 1 month ago by HalosFanForLife
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

If Trout has a real hamstring issue, regardless of how minor, he’s out for a while with a good chance it get’s re-injured when he returns.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Hamstrings for outfielders are super problematic and prone to reinjury. You feel better, think you’re good and then one explosive move later, you’re not. Getting back to 100% during the season is tough. Trout hasn’t shown himself to be an especially quick healer.

Pineapple12
Legend
1 month ago

I’m not a professional athlete but I’ve been dealing with a hamstring injury for the last 2 months that will not go away.

Trout is cooked

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

It’s a tear of some degree, and it has to heal if it is a real hamstring injury. And you don’t have to deal with sprinting around the bases.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Sorry, ice, ice and more rest than you think you need. Then don’t trust your body when it says it’s okay.

Played a season and a half with the same pulled groin that just wouldn’t heal. Muscle/tendon pulls suck.

smithy610
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If this was any other team than the Angels, I would trust that he would come back quick. As it is, it’s Arte’s team and aside from GM duties, he also has Perry doing medical and janitorial duties to save money.

A top-notch medical team makes a world of difference even if you don’t have a team of world-beaters. The Knicks poached the Mavs’ medical team and they were the healthiest team this year, while The Mavs were the fourth worst:

It’s hard to overstate Smith’s impact in New York. When he took over the Knicks’ medical team almost two years ago to the day, the Knicks were injured so often, the futility reached almost comical levels. And now, they were the healthiest team, the last one standing.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
1 month ago

Wasn’t trout getting hot recently?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

Yes

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
1 month ago

Perhaps he wants the time and really doesn’t want to go the All Star game

The game is in Philly this year. I would imagine he probably wants to be there for a special event like this, right by where he grew up.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Really good point. I hadn’t thought of that.

RexFregosi
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Angels ASG rep is Trout.

No question whatsoever about that. He will be voted in and that is that. Even if he’s in a cast in Laguna Beach, that is all we will get.

Even if Detmers and Soriano deserve a slot, the last place team in the AL won’t get more than one player.

It’s Mike and as it should be.

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