LA Angels Monday News Crash:

Logan O’Hoppe is in Arizona for a rehab assignment. The Angels signed left-hander Rob Kaminsky to a minor league deal. He’s a soft tossing reliever.

Outfielder Jerar Encarnacion cleared waivers and elected free agency. The Orioles claimed right-hander Christian Roa off waivers from the Twins. They designated right-hander Lou Trevino for assignment. The Phillies claimed right-hander Jackson Rutledge off waivers from the Nationals.

Long time Braves manager Bobby Cox passed away at the age of 84.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

This is for Turks, or anyone else that might provide help in understanding how to interpret the pitching metrics of WAR, ERA+, and FIP with regard to our starting pitchers. For example, when you look at our starters, Detmers has been getting a lot of heat here and yet, according to his FIP, he’s the best pitcher on the staff. He also has the best K/BB ratio, the best walk rate and the 2nd best K rate, and he’s 2nd in WHIP by a wide margin and tied for second in WAR, but his ERA+ places him 4th on the staff. Kikuchi also has the 3rd best FIP and K/BB ratio but terrible WAR and ERA+. At the very least Detmers and Kikuchi have been the unluckiest starters and, even though he’s pitched really well, Soriano has been the luckiest by far. For the most part, Jack and Wally’s metrics have been a lot more consistent.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

FIP just stands for “fielding independent pitching” – it is an ERA alternative (ie, it is scaled to ERA) that just looks at what is overwhelmingly under a pitcher’s control: strikeouts, walks, hit batters, homeruns. It’s called a “true talent” metric for that reason, and there’s some correlation between FIP and future ERA over large samples.

It assumes that once a ball leaves the bat, much is down to luck or defense, so this metric subtracts all that, and just looks at the basic things a pitcher controls. If there’s a big delta between ERA and FIP, it may be due in part to team defense (eg, the Angels have one of the worst defenses in the MLB behind Detmers).

Of course, it’s not that simple – some pitchers who pitch to contact induce weak contact, pop-ups, etc, all of which is its own skill, and FIP will tend to always favor strikeout artists who keep the ball in the park and don’t give up many free passes – and disfavor groundball pitchers (like Koch) who pitch to defense.

ERA+ is just a way of looking at ERA in a park and league context – where a mark of 100 means league average performance adjusting for park contexts (so as not to penalize Coors pitchers, or overly favor San Diego pitchers, etc).

FIP is useful, but incomplete. If you want to look at a couple similar metrics that also take into account batted ball data, trying to give some credit to pitchers who induce weak contact, there’s xERA (expected ERA) and SIERA. SIERA gives credit for inducing ground balls and pop-ups, and xERA is even more sophisticated, as it uses Statcast data to estimate a pitcher’s performance based on the quality of contact allowed—exit velocity, launch angle, and runner speed—rather than just the outcomes.

I like xERA for that reason, and look at it in combination with FIP/xFIP to assess (directionally) whether a pitcher has been the victim of bad luck and poor defense relative to ERA (which among other things, also penalizes a pitcher for bad bullpens as well).

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Thanks. Seems to me that both Kikuchi and Detmers have pitched much better than they get credit for.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Detmers certainly, though the sample size is a little too small on Kikuchi to say. Last year, his true talent metrics suggested he was a little worse than his ERA led on, and in this short season, his xERA is still pretty mediocre at 4.69.

Statcast doesn’t love Kikuchi’s four-seamer – bats are getting to it often, making hard contact, and pulling it in the air.

Meanwhile, Statcast loves most things about Detmers. He’s generally avoiding lots of hard contact, despite a decrease in FB velo this season. His secondaries in particular all show above average traits.

Turk's Teeth
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Legend
1 month ago

Can’t recall the last time the Angels were 30th of 30 in an MLB Power Rankings….but there it is.

Angels2020Champs
Member
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yeah we’re more of a finish in the bottom 5 for our MLB team and save last place rankings for our farm system! The last decade sure has been fun :-/

FungoAle
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Oh my, they will finish last in the AL. Only the Rockies can out stink em overall. Year of the Dax! Tank City.

jefftulsa
Member
1 month ago

Lineup for today is pretty good. I’d like to maybe see Frazier in there instead of Teo though.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  jefftulsa

No idea why Peraza is hitting 7th. Grissom should be leading off with Peraza 3rd and Neto 5th.

jefftulsa
Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Couldn’t agree more

cookmeister
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  jefftulsa

Cleveland is throwing a lefty, plus that outfield is pretty spacious

I feel like watching Teo hit… he is actually left handed but hasn’t realized it yet

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago

Peraza, at least for today, has passed up Neto in WAR at 1.1 good for 2nd place on the team behind Trout. Neto also has 189 plate appearances to Peraza’s 113. And yet, Our manager doesn’t think he should be playing every day. He is also the second best hitter on the team. I have no answers. It’s one thing to be bad, it’s another to not even try to be better. I would love to hear Suzuki’s rationale. Am I missing something?

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

He is batting .250/.328/.350/.679 (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS) against righties this year and .326/.356/.651/1.007 versus lefties. Suzuki usually benches him against righties.

That being said, he actually has reverse splits for his career, so even this explanation doesn’t make sense.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Thank you for that TB. If he has a 1.007 OPS against lefty’s he should be hitting 3rd at least against leftys.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
1 month ago

did my fan post get submitted correctly? I’ve screwed up before so just curious lol

Solid win yesterday. Nice seeing Adell hit for some pop. If he can keep the lower K rate and increase the production, woof that’s a solid bat.

Now on to Cleveland, where the Angels are 4-26 over the last 10 years.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

it’s all good, didn’t mean to sound like a selfish prick by any means… just wasn’t sure because I screwed up last time lol

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Didn’t realize that, thanks for the heads up.

MarineLayer
Legend
1 month ago

Another depressing Monday as Minasian and Suzuki haven’t been DFA’d.

Bonehead Suzuki still can’t figure out how to get Peraza and Grissom in and Lowe and Moncada out.

I’m okay with O’Hoppe taking as much time as he needs (forever is fine) to work his way back. The minor leaguer currently starting plays better defense and isn’t that much worse as a hitter.

Schnauel needs to not be part of our future plans either. The guy just isn’t any good. Maybe that’s a good way to get Peraza in more if they won’t commit to him at 3B.

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
1 month ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I can’t agree with you not missing much with Rivero being our catcher. Logan isn’t hitting this season but his OPS of .579 looks a whole lot better than Rivero’s .358. That’s even worse than Kingery did last year. And I’m not sure Rivero’s defense is better or just looks that way because he doesn’t have as many innings behind the plate.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Born_in_59

The organization is so bad that we don’t have one decent MLB catcher in the entire organization

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
1 month ago

This is bonkers. Prospect/player-development-wise, it would be like if TGA or Slawinski just up and retired. Moved overseas. Cheerio!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/articles/padres-prospect-19-pleads-guilty-130555567.html

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
1 month ago

Kid got a $750k signing bonus in 2024 then was breaking federal law for $1000 per passenger in 2025. Absolute idiot.

Note: this kid broke the law under any administration of my lifetime. I know there will be an urge for some possibly political jokes or barbs so let’s be mindful of the rules.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

And in the Mexican league – the entire salaries of a whole roster is about half of the MLB minimum for one player for one year.

Last edited 1 month ago by HalosFanForLife
Turk's Teeth
Editor
Legend
1 month ago

Perhaps more critical to the team than Hurtado’s nice night, Grayson Rodriguez had his second rehab appearance yesterday, this time with the Quakes. Stretched out to 94 pitches, striking out 11 vs the Dodgers affiliate.

Held his velocity throughout (95-97). Fair amount of traffic, but the strike zone was shit and the two BBs he surrendered were on bad calls – probably should have been a 13 K performance in the end.

The results matter less than the obvious: he looks healthy, the velo is there, command improving, and seems near ready to join the rotation.

smithy610
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Good news! I know it hurts to see Ward doing very well in Baltimore, but I understand the motivation behind this trade. I still believe it’s the right move.

Maybe one more start?

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

I think another start makes sense, but haven’t heard one way or another.

I thought Ward-for-Rodriguez was a completely rational trade – just one that’s likely to have some ups and downs, and one that fans will have to be patient with.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

And we have to remember that we are trading this year’s Ward for 5 years of Rodriguez.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

I may be mistaken but it seemed like Ward generally started seasons well and never sustained the same level of production. He’s hitting.077 in May.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

I checked myself.

Roughly lows.800s OPS in April, May and September, Low .700s OPS June, July, August

TrojanBoiler
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

That seems like it would be the opposite of the MLB average. The ball flies in the summer months and OPS starts to go up I would imagine. Weird.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Love that he stretched out to over 90 pitches and maintained velocity. This trade may end up looking great in the long run. And while I’m perhaps a tad critical, (I said perhaps) I’ll sing their praise if it does. In theory – you’d think there’s a winner and loser in trades – and perhaps this ultimately becomes one where both teams win.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Thanks for sharing!

It’s a good start on the road to recovery. It’ll be much better when he’s dominating more than “A” level ball players.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Legend
1 month ago

Fwiw, this is a very good Dodgers team loaded with some of their top prospects, in an offensively inclined park. Manoah struggled in his rehab outing there.

But like all rehab outings, where pitchers may be testing certain things, it’s less about the box score, and more about velo, command, length. Good early returns on that in his first two appearances.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I interviewed Hurtado from training camp so I’m rooting for the guy but his profile screams reliever. Was hoping they’d move him and Cortez (who I also interviewed) to the bullpen sooner rather than later.

At some point Perry needs to realize he has completely failed in assembling a pitching staff as an entirety. Either he can cut some of his losses and at least develop some bullpen arms or he can simply continue to suck on all fronts.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Legend
1 month ago

Continuing the uncanny sequence of minor league pitching outperformance on the Angels farm this week, another six inning no-hit performance last night from a more unlikely name: Joel Hurtado.

Five Ks over a very pitch efficient 71 pitches, inducing few whiffs but a lot of groundballs to the infield.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/817780/video/joel-hurtado-s-six-hitless-innings

Hurtado is 25 now, and it’s still the same package – mid 90s FB that doesn’t get many Ks and a sometimes plus slider that does – bit aggressive delivery with plenty of follow on movement, not always the picture of elegance. After improving on this front in ’25, his control has backed up this season in the early going. Still strikes me as a reliever, maybe swing option.

The one run charged to him in the game was due to an opening walk in the seventh inning that was cashed in by the ‘pen. (Sound familiar?)

Last edited 1 month ago by Turk's Teeth
Pineapple12
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I can’t understand why Hurtado isn’t in AAA, especially when we’re giving starts to Shaun Anderson.

By chance, did you catch Slawinski’s last start? 4 shutout innings, velo 92-93

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I hate AAA for developing pitching. But the organization does not.

Still think not moving to Fresno when they were available is an organizational mistake. Similar elevation, quick flight to the big league club. We’re stuck in Salt Lake City for a while now, though.

Jim Atkins
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Similar elevation? Fresno, about 300. Salt Lake, about 4200.

bobblanton
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

I think he was saying similar as Anaheim

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

The jump in talent from AA to AAA is not nearly as significant as the jump from High-A to AA. Teams stash most of their best prospects at AA, and veterans and reserves at AAA.

The PCL is such an extreme environment, there’s just not much gained by putting pitching prospects there, unless you’re training them for Coors Field. The league average ERA is 5.33. The league average batter OPS is .784. (The five most extreme parks have team OPSes north of .800.) You can see how Klassen and Dana have really hit a ceiling there.

re: Slawinski There are no video or audio feeds of ACL games (just the four full-season affiliates), so I only have access to Gameday and scattered reports in prospect media. I’d generally trust the velo reads there, though less so the pitch type and location accuracy. GD had Slawinski at 90.3-93.8, mostly sitting 91-92 in the first couple of innings, then sitting 92-93 toward the end. Looks like he was commanding the changeup well, and got at least one whiff on each of his pitches. 4-seam, slider, change. A few classified as ‘sinker’ but I don’t know how much to trust that.

smithy610
Super Member
1 month ago

I get that veterans usually get a longer leash because they’re vets, but it’s been 1.5 months and I think it’s more than fair to say that both Moncada and Lowe have been given their long leash, and they haven’t done anything with it. Meanwhile, both Grissom and Peraza have produced in limited time, even though they couldn’t get into a regular rhythm yet.

If Suzuki wants to be seen as a serious MLB manager, it’s time to stop screwing around and play those who will be part of the team’s middle-term future (at the very least), AND who are producing as well.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  smithy610

The real issue now is that both Lowe and Moncada are gone after this year, neither is going to have any trade value, and you need to see if Grissom and Peraza are everyday starters long term.

jco
Trusted Member
jco
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

According to BBRef, Lowe would be arb eligible again after this year and next. He also apparently still has an option, so I don’t get why he hasn’t been sent down. Meckler is raking in AA and he’s 26, so it seems like there’s a replacement available.

I do not understand why Lowe is still on the 26 player roster at this point.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
1 month ago
Reply to  jco

You’re right, I forgot, Lowe has options, just send him down.

Angels2020Champs
Member
Legend
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

But what about his feelings bro??!

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