LA Angels Monday News Crash:

I had some trouble this time finding links about substantive happenings. I apologize for that. It might be the deep breath before the plunge. Supposedly teams will be making their offers to Juan Soto this week. Happy Holidays Mr. Boras. Juan Soto is not worth $700 Million IMHO.

On Friday the Angels non-tendered Patrick Sandoval, Eric Wagaman, Bryce Teodosio, and Jordyn Adams.

Is this guy (Jose Fermin) going to impress us all? So far so good.

The Reds swapped second baseman Jonathan India for Royals right-hander Brady Singer. Did both sides win the trade?

Rico Carty passed away at the age of 86.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Why are people penciling in Detmers as a starter?

Twebur
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15 days ago

Right? No thank you….seen enough.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Can anyone who likes the Kikuchi deal LOOK UP THESE TWO GUYS ON BREF and explain how….

Tyler Anderson signing for three years on the team we had two years ago was “Nahr! DEEZ TURRIBLE! ARTEH SO STUPID!”

But signing Japanese double Anderson to a bigger deal with our current roster and TV deal is currently a good idea?

I am just not getting it….

Soriano
Kikuchi
Anderson
Detmers
Hendricks

is a rotation that guarantees nothing good but may be “Royals-like” if they all have big seasons together I guess. Kikuchi makes a lot more sense signing that deal with a team that needs him to be a #4 pitcher that solidifies their pennant push….

And no. Mindlessly mumbling that he’ll only be under contract for one year after Rendon is off the books doesn’t make this any less of a waste of millions that will likely fix nothing. I’m not sure why some of the smoother brains around here think Rendon coming off the books will create some magic chain reaction of greatness. How is this not just paying a pitcher a bunch of money to pass the time while the rest of the team sucks?

Fansince1971
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15 days ago

I could not agree more. And I also agree with the comment down below that while this may only arguably be a slight overpay, it is pure stupidity for the Angels to make this move and spend this kind of money on this guy at this time. It’s just plain stupid. It seems to me a vanity move to prove to the world that the Angels are going to “compete” but in reality this does not help the Angels compete now or in the future.

grichmanpoorman
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16 days ago

Fermin’s minor league stats in his first year of pro ball. Pretty bad-ass: https://www.milb.com/player/jose-fermin-820862

FungoAle
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16 days ago

Looks pretty stout. He’s a big boy too. Just needs to hone his control a bit. This is why I would not throw money at any closers or expensive middlemen on the FA market. These guys come out of nowhere.

Cowboy26
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16 days ago

Interesting arm . Hes a DR soon to be 23 years old ( maybe really a 25 year old? ) who signed with the Angels as an international free agent a year ago in October. Thats like waaaay over the hill in Dominican baseball years. I wonder Where he’s been hiding prior to the Angels signing him.

Theres got to be a story there.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Totally! 23 is like 55 in DR years. Maybe he was goofing off in a slow-pitch softball league, a la Bryan Harvey. Or maybe it was a Roy-Hobbes-femme-fatale thing? One of those two, for sure.

Cowboy26
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16 days ago

But can he Hit?

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That’s the other Japanese pitcher….

Erstad with the catch
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16 days ago

Signing a starter is better than signing a reliever (looking at you Robert Stephenson).

If we overpaid, it wasn’t by much. We’re going to pay him $21M/year. I think that Kukuchi was always going to command at least $15M/year, but probably more like $18M/ year.

Seth Lugo got $15M/ year after one year of starting (and a bunch of years relieving).

If anything, it shows that you can’t build a team through free agency. Signing a free agent should be the capstone of a team. Not the foundation.

steelgolf
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16 days ago

Who is this Robert Stephenson you are speaking of?

Cowboy26
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16 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I think he wrote some book about pirates. ( But not the ones in Pittsburgh)

Angelstan
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16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yes, same

Angelstan
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16 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I think he wrote Treasure Island!!

FungoAle
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16 days ago

Love this signing, Kikuchi here as a lot of mileage left and has a good arsenal, with gas. Changed up his pitch mix with the Astros to achieve a 30% strikeout rate. Like a Sean Manaea re-birthing. Will hitters adjust, we’ll see but I’m onboard.

Angels just had to pay a little above the market rate (FG had 3-yrs @ $54) but landed one of the top 5 FA pitchers w/o a QO attached.

Cowboy26
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16 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Well hopefully you will still love it when hes getting shelled at the Big A. In 8 career starts here he has a 8.12 ERA, 1.88 WHIP and a 1.028 OPS against.

But then again that was against Angel hitters by far his most feared opponent. So what are we going to do for a win now?

FungoAle
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16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Well, there is always that risk but lifetime stats to me are meaningless, I’m more recency biased. He floundered in Seattle under the Jedi/Servais regime. Jedi probably screamed at him because he did not make him forget about losing out on the previous Japanese import, Sho. I’m banking that he’s figured it out and in Toronto, had a good 2023.

Angels needed to add at least one starter this offseason and, in my clubhouse, it was down to Flaherty, Eovaldi, Wacha or Kikuchi (in that order) as guys with some upside. Snell is not coming here and want to avoid QOs.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

IMHO, Kikuchi’s signing helps some of the younger “Depth” starters to marinate a little more down on the farm. I still hold out hope that we can get a higher echelon pitcher before the season starts.

I expect not so much to “Compete” this year, but to compete this year by making more games less miserable. Being down 4-0 or 5-1 by the third or fourth inning consistently is brutal. Discounting the ChiSux, I bet we are pretty high on the 2023 starter’s getting torched, scorched and chased category.

Last add, I also believe Kikuchi has been pretty durable, though we have a decent to good BP, we can’t tax them repeatedly throughout the week and expect good results.

Time will tell with Kikuchi-Go Halos!

BannedInLA
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16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Basically where I’m at. And I’ll throw in the old, if he’s pitching well early, we can flip at the break for prospects bit.

Mia
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Mia
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Who is agreeing to take on that salary AND send prospects?

If he’s pitching that well we’ll keep him.

Biggiswrth
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16 days ago
Reply to  Mia

Wrong lefty, you flip Anderson at the deadline and promote a young arm.

FungoAle
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16 days ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Wondering if Angels flip Anderson now for some positional help or prospects.

BannedInLA
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16 days ago
Reply to  Mia

The salary is basically market standard for experienced SP.

The question is performance. Is he peaking at the right time? Teams always need pitching.

Mia
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Mia
15 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Right. At the moment. But we won’t trade him if he pitches well. And no one will offer prospects if we are trying to dump that salary.

Perry couldn’t even find a partner to ditch Anderson to.

And then each year of this deal moves him deeper into his mid-late 30s.

I think the value is going to fall apart quick and we will be left holding the bag just like with everyone else we sign.

Hope i’m wrong!

Last edited 15 days ago by Mia
Roy Hobbs
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16 days ago

It won’t matter because we still aren’t going to be able to score any runs. What little sympathy I may have had for the organization no longer exists, they don’t deserve success. With Arte’s blessing, this is a Perry move. Can’t we quit apologizing for Perry. one year for whatever amount of money is irrelevant but three years is an another anchor that prevents the team from moving forward.

Last edited 16 days ago by Roy Hobbs
Pineapple12
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16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I think we have wildly different definitions of what an anchor is, RH.

Pujols = anchor; Rendone = anchor; Hamilton = anchor; Kikuchi = completely acceptable deal

Roy Hobbs
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16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

We shall see sir. It’s really year 3 that bothers me.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I don’t understand how we know this is a Perry move at all….

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
16 days ago

Hoping whatever he learned in Houston carries over to us. If Sugano is signed next it’s definitely a marketing ploy. Boras is happy, I think the Angels just raised the bar to what the higher end FA pitchers are going to be expected to get paid.

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

Boras is over-the-moon particularly after last off-season where his clients failed to secure top dollar. This deal will definitely set a high bar in his mind.

Last edited 16 days ago by Fansince1971
Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

Well, termed as an overpay by many on the site, we prolly have to pay over market to draw anyone to play in Anaheim. That being said, if he gives us a chance to win every five days or so, it seems a good signing to me.

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Why do you think he gives the Angels a better chance to win every 5 days than many other arms that could have been had much less expensively and without 3 year commitments? Sure, he has had flashes of brilliance followed by complete mediocrity. His stat line reads like a San Andreas Geiger counter. And with the Angels’ recent history of getting very little out of free agency signings and not improving pitchers, what makes you think this will be different? It’s a lot of money to throw at a guy who has not shown any ability to be consistent.

I view this as a desperation move to prove to the fan base that “competitive” is a thing.

Prediction: I’m with Mia. What could go wrong? 😂

Last edited 16 days ago by Fansince1971
BannedInLA
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16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Mediocrity with flashes of brilliance would make Kikuchi one of our better pitchers over the past decade, frankly.

Angelstan
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16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

You could same the same as to Canning who we just got rid of and Atlanta didn’t want.

BannedInLA
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16 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Canning got his sh*t pushed in way to often. He was less than mediocre.

besides, Canning was flipped for a DH.

Angelz4ever
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16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

In terms of a MLB salary scale, $21M a year isn’t going to cramp the Halos too much, especially, starting in 2027 when Rendone officially retires and is off the payroll. Signing Kikuchi may lead to one more decent pitcher being signed. Our starters last year taxed our BP beyond belief and cost us many many games.

Even if he pans out to be a #2 or so pitcher, I see him this as a SR improvement over what we have before.

Last edited 16 days ago by Angelz4ever
Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Whether this move cramps the Angels spending until 2027 depends on the budget. If it’s $200m then the team is done spending and has $100m devoted to 3 players. It basically eliminates any payroll flexibility IF the budget is $200m.

Now, if the budget is actually $250m it’s way less of a problem.

Cowboy26
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16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

So MLBTR had Kikuchi projected to make $60 million over 3 years. How does the Angels signing him make this “desperation move” ?

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Again- my opinion- but I feel the Angels Org are desperate to look like legit competitors. This is one of those moves that appears to the average fan to be substantial and might even sell some jerseys. But it barely moves the needle AND eats up a bunch of money without really addressing glaring holes. That’s why I’m calling it “desperate”. The Angels are desperate to appear competitive when they actually are nowhere near that.

FungoAle
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16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Starting pitching is a glaring hole

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

It’s not an overpay. It’s just a stupid purchase.

Cowboy26
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16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

This is why Perry mentioned recently that he learned a lesson to only pursue players that want to play on the west coast. Obviously he had this signing in mind when he made this statement as other free agent targets were either going to be too expensive or have better West coast options.

Fansince1971
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16 days ago

Kikuchi signing is bizarre. I think it’s designed to put people in seats and sell jerseys. But someone needs to tell Arte that Kikuchi is not Ohtani. Their sole similarity is being Japanese.

$63m is a ton of dough to fork over for a mediocre player for 3 seasons. I suppose it is arguably consistent with “competitive” but does not really move the needle. It’s adding another 1 WAR player. Why spend $20m per season for 3 years for that?

I’m looking realistically at this team right now and seeing 65-70 wins at a price tag of $200m. Not really something to be excited about.

Angelstan
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16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

As noted below, I agree. Looks like a marketing tool.

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

As I wrote below, Sportrac and other publications that evaluate expected free agency deals had Kikuchi going on a 1 year deal for $14m $15m. This is an enormous overpay for mediocrity.

Maybe huge overpays are what it takes to convince players to come to Anaheim.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

There may be something to needing to overpay to get players here and to sign so early.

jco
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jco
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

mlbtraderumors had him at 3/60. For what’s worth, his 2025 projection is pretty good. 3.66 ERA in 168 IP.

I don’t know if I think we should have signed him, but this is in the vicinity of what he was going to get from someone.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Is it an overpay?

Starters that can eat innings and pitch around 3.75-4.50 ERA seem to command this level of compensation league wide.

Counting on Detmers, Silseth, etc. seems to be a fools errand IMO.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Had they paid $30 million for three years last year, they likely could have gotten Snell. They are zigging when they should be zagging.

They have signed the flavor of the month for 3 years. Even Canning has had good stretches. So has Lorenzen and others. Proven guys like Eovaldi, Buehler and others are still available. Perhaps for equal or less money.

It’s a hope and pray signing with an emphasis on marketing. I’m a Halo fan. I will hope and pray and maybe Perry pulls the inside straight. But that’’s not how you gamble when building a team and getting lucky (if it happens) doesn’t make it correct. Remember some of the other pitchers they have brought in claiming they were right and we would see? How many of them worked out?

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

I don’t believe for a second that Snell would’ve signed for 3 years 90 million. He was fairly bad in 2024 on a one year deal and he’s still likely to get paid this offseason.

Yes, our track record is poor but, I attempt to judge each signing on their own versus thru the lens of past history.

Marketing is probably a small factor but, this seems to be the market rate tor an established inning eating 4-5 starter.

FungoAle
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16 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Snell would have wanted opt-outs and he would have been gone this year

Biggiswrth
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16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

It’s an agreeable contract for a guy who will eat innings, look like an ace at times, durable, and wants to be be on the west coast.
This is a fine signing and one that again makes this team better. We can’t get it all back right away, but the train is moving in the rigth direction and the entire “team” is getting better.
Now we just need that Ron Wash 10 WAR and we are good!!

BannedInLA
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16 days ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

My neighbor who knows a guy who knows another guy heard a rumor that Ron Wash in year 2 is easily worth 18 WAR.

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

can confirm — i am that guy

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Instead of using stats, you ran straight to the “well, he’s Japanese” narrative lol.

In 2024, Kikuchi set career-best marks (excluding 2020) in:

fWAR (3.5)
Strikeouts (206)
Innings (175 2/3)
Strikeout rate (28%)
Walk rate (6%)
xERA (3.70)
FIP (3.46)
xFIP (3.20)

https://x.com/bmags94/status/1861054997116469639?t=EmEyBCmWlUqgT87cDBRz8Q&s=19

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

He has been absolutely awful otherwise. Completely mediocre. I could understand the predicted 1 year/$15m contract. But to give 3 YEARS and $63 million with that track record at 33 years old?! With the holes this team has?! It’s totally ridiculous.

Mia
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Mia
16 days ago

Well that’s not gonna end horribly. Lmao.

halofansince1978
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16 days ago

Glass half full…at least we’re doing SOMETING!!!

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago

He’s not a platypus – he is the Walrus!

https://youtu.be/UKIs1J_nB4A?si=UmQrAFIJ-uLuDrG1

Last edited 16 days ago by RexFregosi
Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago

MLB rotation:
Soriano
Kikuchi
Anderson
Detmers
Hendricks

MiLB depth:
Kochanowicz
Silseth
Dana
Aldegheri
Bachman
Klassen

Good job, Perry

Angelstan
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Unless they are getting Sasaki because he is friends with Kikuchi or the like, it’s a subpar rotation with a little bit of depth via the youngsters.

Kikuchi’s consistency is unknown (or bad).
Anderson is mediocre
Detmers is a wild card
Hendricks is old and at best serviceable as a 5th starter
Soriano is talented but was hurt last year and is unproven throwing many innings.

To use an old saying from long ago, where’s the beef?

Jeff Joiner
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16 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Soriano was money last year. His “injury” was fatigue after he logged a career high in innings on a team going nowhere. In other words, he was simply shut down.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m a fan. I know Soriano pitched well. He hasn’t established himself though. He could be good this year or be in the bullpen or minors by midseason. No one really knows. Like all fans, I hope he wins the Cy Young. Realistically, it’s a slightly better bet than Detmers but largely an unknown.

toad2065
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16 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

You are a reliable source of doom and gloom, sir. Give it a rest!

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That’s an awfully mediocre rotation.

Last edited 16 days ago by Fansince1971
Biggiswrth
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16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I dissagree. 4 of those 5 guys have the stuff to shut down teams and pitch late. I’m not saying its going to happen everytime, but those 4 on the depth chart at least give us a chance to win those games.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Perry woke up early and signed a pitcher….

Yusei Kikuchi to the Angels. $63M, 3 years.

Career Regular Season
G. 166
W-L. 41-47
ERA. 4.57
WHIP 1.34

https://x.com/JonHeyman/status/1861041715643117903

Last edited 16 days ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago

slight overpay on AAV.

Solid deal imo

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Pineapple12

He pitched great on a very good team last year, but other than that he’s been a pile of “meh” over his 6 seasons.

I guess $63m doesn’t buy much these days….

Born_in_59
Trusted Member
16 days ago

I’m hoping it buys more than $39m has.

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Significant overpay you mean?

Angelstan
Trusted Member
16 days ago

$21 million a year for a guy that has been inconsistent and never has been really good? Why? I assume this is a marketing ploy to get back into the Asian fan marketplace. I see Kikuchi on talent as a $7-12 million guy. How does Perry come up with these ideas?

They could have had Snell last season for not much more than this.

Jimmuscomp
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Clearly you have not been paying attention to the salaries since 2010.

This is a slight overpay. I’d have pegged him to get $18-$20 million per year, but this is about right. The bigger issue is, “is this a good use of limited resources?”…..

Angelstan
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Jimmuscomp

This is the usual flyer the Angels take. I equate Kikuchi to a Kyle Gibson or Lorenzen. What do they make? I realize Kikuchi just pitched well in the second half of last season and apparently has Boras representing him so an overpay is necessary. What’s Manaea going to get? Manaea is better and more reliable. What’s Buehler going to be paid?

Sources were projecting Fried to get $25 million a year albeit over more years.

In my version of IIWPM, I looked at signing Buehler and Bieber for what they paid Kikuchi. How much is Eovaldi? The latter three have had health issues but are all proven to be good. Kikuchi has proven to be in inconsistently mediocre.

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Jimmuscomp

Sportrac and other publications had him going on a 1 year deal for $14m -$15m. This is an enormous overpay for mediocrity.

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

MLBTradeRumors:

12. Yusei Kikuchi: Three years, $60MM

“Mercurial” and “roller coaster” don’t really begin to describe Kikuchi’s big league tenure. The hard-throwing lefty has looked on the cusp of stardom at multiple points since coming to MLB in 2019 after a fine career with the Seibu Lions of Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball. He’s also lost his rotation spot more than once and saw the Mariners decline a multi-year club option when the first three seasons of his contract came to an end.

Back at the 2021 All-Star break, MLBTR’s Steve Adams wrote about what looked to be a breakout season for Kikuchi. His velocity, strikeout rate, walk rate and grounder rate had all taken strides. Kikuchi pitched to a 3.18 ERA with plus rate stats through the season’s first half and looked to suddenly be putting himself in position to see the Mariners exercise a weighty four-year, $66MM club option. He promptly faded, running out of gas as he pitched to a 6.62 ERA and yielded an average of 1.70 HR/9 down the stretch.

Even with that poor finish, Kikuchi declined a $13MM player option, betting that a team would be interested in his blend of velocity, whiffs, grounders and solid command. He and the Boras Corporation were correct. The Jays signed him for three years and $36MM, and his tenure in Toronto had a similar vibe to his time in Seattle. Plenty of high points, but also quite a few lows and even a demotion from the rotation. Kikuchi was a hotly sought-after name on the summer trade market, drawing interest from clubs like the Twins, Cardinals and others. But the Astros blew everyone out of the water to acquire two months of Kikuchi, and while the price they paid was steep, his results in Houston showed why they were so intrigued.

With the Astros, Kikuchi more than doubled the usage of his slider, reducing his four-seam usage and nearly shelving his curveball. The results were eye-popping. In 60 innings, he pitched to a 2.70 ERA with a gaudy 31.8% strikeout rate against an excellent 5.9% walk rate. Kikuchi’s 13.7% swinging-strike rate was well north of the 11.1% league average. His grounder rate increased. The quality of contact against him decreased. Down the stretch, he looked like a clear, playoff-caliber No. 2 type of starter.

Just which version of Kikuchi a new team gets will be an open question. Is he the at-times dominant lefty who can pile up strikeouts in droves and limit walks to the point that an ERA in the low-3.00s or upper-2.00s seems plausible? Or is he the same enigmatic, homer-prone southpaw he’s always been? Kikuchi’s individual skills have impressed for years now, but the sum of those parts has somehow been lesser than those individual components.

That said, Kikuchi can’t receive a qualifying offer and is a hard-throwing lefty who’s posted a plus strikeout rate five years running — including a plus walk rate to match in each of the past two seasons. He’s also been ultra-durable in his MLB career, with his only two IL stints coming due to Covid in 2021 and a neck strain in 2022. Toronto gambled on his upside in the form of a three-year deal when he was coming off a poor finish. The inverse is true now. Kikuchi will turn 34 next June, but his stock is still up relative to his last trip to the market. The Astros would surely love to have him back but have foreshadowed payroll constraints. Other viable suitors include the Tigers, Dodgers, Giants, Orioles, Red Sox, Rangers and Royals.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/11/2024-25-top-50-mlb-free-agents-with-predictions.html#google_vignette

Fansince1971
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16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

This was the only publication to predict such a deal. Most had him at 1 yr and the $15m range.

But going beyond that, for some more complete teams with large budgets, this type of deal might be justifiable. For the Angels, it’s just another multi-year anchor that they cannot afford. The $63m could be spent in many other ways to help the club. Does this deal really move the needle at all? Not really. And it uses up all the resources bringing payroll to around $200m.

I’ll give you this. If this signals Arte is willing to go much higher on payroll (say $250m) then I hate this signing less.

grichmanpoorman
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16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

You’re definitely the loudest and most strident member of the know-nothing skeptic crowd around here. Congrats.

Bleacher Report:

No. 15: Kikuchi
2024 Stats: 9-10, 4.05 ERA, 3.46 FIP, 206 strikeouts, 3.5 WAR, 175.2 IP
Age in 2025: 34
Contract Prediction: Three years, $51 million
Team Prediction: Los Angeles Angels
There will be some teams who have Yusei Kikuchi in their top 10, and others who don’t have him in the top 20. So this ranking, which splits the difference, probably won’t please anyone.
Kikuchi posted a 4.75 ERA in 22 starts with the Blue Jays this past season, but he was excellent across 10 starts with the Astros, as evidenced by his 2.70 ERA. His 4.05 ERA over 175.2 total innings this past year is fine, though his 3.75 expected ERA and 3.46 FIP paint a much better picture of the lefty.

Cowboy26
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16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

But does ThROW MOAR SLIDERZ = TJS 2025?

I wonder Perry got any major injury protection language like we did with Stephenson.

trAdition

jco
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jco
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Sportrac is not a prediction model based on market trends. It’s a valuation model that does not take into account market factors. It’s a purely math based model.

Do you have a publication other than sportrac that predicted 1/$14 or that approximation on a 1-year deal (I haven’t seen any)? I’ve seen a bunch of 3 year predictions varying from $42million to $60 million. The Athletic had him at 3/$42 which a big discrepancy from what we paid, but it’s still a 3-year deal. I found a fox affiliate that predicted 3/$50 I saw the bleacher report elsewhere on this thread and of course mlbtraderumors. Ben Clemens at fan graphs had him at 3/$51 with the crowdsource number at 3/$54.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Jimmuscomp

Correct re: market prices.

Hilarious that some are kvetching over Kikuchi’s relatively modest figure on a team with broken down Albatrosses in Trout/Rendon.

Basically., I think our moves this offseason are good. On paper.

We’ve brought in a few solid vets, none of whom break the bank and none of whom will block the path of a “kid” that’s MLB ready.

Last edited 16 days ago by BannedInLA
steelgolf
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16 days ago

Okay….. So they replaced Patrick Sandoval with older Japanese Patrick Sandoval. We will have to see how this works out for them …. Over the next three years.

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