LA Angels Thursday News Crash

The Giants designated lefty Raymond Burgos for assignment. if you can believe that. Astros right-hander JP France is very much out of commission due to shoulder surgery. Sorry. I guess this is DIY links. I was pretty busy yesterday.

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RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago

for years i thought that familiar picture in the CtPG headline was WTY.

it is not. it is WTE. –
-anyone else?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 days ago

I just saw a video of Jesse Wanker arguing with a Padres fan. We remember Wanker walking all the way over to the Angels dugout after getting plunked. What a Wanker! He’s got some kind of anger problem

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

Somebody send him a pizza.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Yet another chapter in the saga of me not being able to pick out pitchers for shit….
I wanted to sign Spencer Turnbull and Matt Boyd off the Tigers, even though both were injured, hoping for trade bait. Turnbull looked good and is back on the IL. Boyd just signed with the Clindians but will likely not be off the IL in time to be trade bait. I had hoped he’d heal faster.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 days ago

I’m disturbed by the NBA draft. The Blazers had 4 picks and, you know, they were terrible in 2023-2024, going 21-61. So 4 picks could help, right? I see they traded away 3 of those picks, ending up with 1 guy. What??

And I feel there’s a connection, unfortunately, between my fave basketball team and my fave baseball team. Both have “strange” ownership. Arte we all know. The Blazers are owned now by Paul Allen’s sister. Both teams feel like they’re in-between what they were and what they could be with new ownership. And when I see what the Blazers have just done I think uh-oh, Perry will do something similar. The Blazers traded the 14 pick for an actual player so ok, I guess, and it appears they traded the 34 and 40 for “future second round picks”. Meaning, they get nothing this year and who knows what in 2026 or whatever.

I picture Perry dealing away the guys we usually mention and getting the equivalent nothing back in return. Equivalent to what the Blazers are getting, I mean.

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago

You’re still being punished for drafting Sam Bowie. Karma and trAdition.

Draft these guys next time.
https://x.com/Ballislife/status/1803506833396736100
https://x.com/Dexerto/status/1805594595952103821

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Good lord, she’s large!

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago

She’s just big-boned.

halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Those two are a match made in Heaven…hook up!!

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
16 days ago

Their 8 foot 6 offspring will dominate in a few decades.

FungoAle
Legend
16 days ago

2025 NBA draft could be historic. They need to suck again and besides, 2024 Draft has limited upside. Blazers did well by getting the UCONN Center, fell right to them. Good kid. You should be happy.

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago

one difference:

one franchise has Phil Knight (NIKE) absolutely BEGGING in public and private to buy it from the dysfunctional owner.

the other franchise does not have this.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

As much as I want Arte to sell, knowing my team was being propped up with child and slave labor sweat shops would be too much for me. I’d have to jump ship.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/06/2024-25-mlb-free-agent-power-rankings-june-edition.html

Looking at the top FAs this winter. Don’t really want Arte to sign any of these guys right now. I am the secret cheapness that forces Arte’s cheapness.

But really, are we in any type of position where giving any of these guys a pile of money makes us a winner next year? And jeebs lueebs… the FA market sucks. Even if we wanted to spend now, after Freid do we want any of those guys? Alonso maybe?

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago

Wouldn’t mind signing Ha-Seong Kim, SS, Padres

Move him to 2nd or move Neto to 2nd (some have suggested) keep Kim at SS. Drury will be gone, still think Rengifo will be here, then he can go back to his super utility role, see more time at DH and corner OF, until needed at 3rd for Rendon’s lengthy time away for injury and healing. Nobody is ready to 2nd or SS other than Neto.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

Yeah. I kinda like him most.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

He’s the one guy I’d like but as the only real SS option available he’s likely gone.

Drury and Rengifo should both be traded but I wouldn’t be surprised if Drury came back as a free agent.

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago

i think we trade Dana/Joyce/Rada/Schanuel and rent these FAs guys for a few months for the 2024 pennant drive.

Time to pay back Seattle for 1995

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

No better time to trade Davis Daniels- the golden ticket for a rental for #playoffs24

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago

LA Times actually wrote an article that didn’t blame global warming for something.

Had some detail I hadn’t heard before.

The desperate hours: a pro baseball pitcher’s fentanyl overdose 

When he didn’t reply to texts, the family of Angels pitcher Tyler Skaggs went from worried to fearful.

https://apple.news/AGNoht-qDRdKiGkBYXMZ53g

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Sam Blum has been doing a great job on this story. First an interview with Tyler’s family and today one with Erick Kay.

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Just read Blum’s article about Erick Kay. I feel depressed and yucky inside now.

tanana40
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Thanks for posting this.

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago

Skenes Schmenes: Another former college flamethrower’s splinker may be nastierPaul Skenes isn’t the only pitcher with a nasty splinker.

https://fansided.com/posts/angels-ben-joyce-splinker-paul-skenes-nastier

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

Nasty sphincter?

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago

That pitch taint the nastiest thing he throws.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

Nasty Sphincter is what happens when Ben Joyce releases his fastball not his splinker

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

I used to look at ratemysplinker.com when I was single.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

Maybe Rendon gets some ABs @ Inland Empire this weekend or next?

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Does he have any options left?

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Does he have any options left? sunblock 50, a bulletproof vest, an exit strategy into and out of the city of the IE, a food taster?

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago

I’m guessing that Rendon will return a week or so after the AS break, so who gets clipped? Sano, Guillermo (spelling?) or possibly Drury?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

The dude with the funny name – Guillaume. I think he was “Benson” on TV and took up baseball when he retired from acting.

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago

the beard threw me ffor a while, but yes, that is him

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Is there One beard maximum per team?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

one beard per player

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yes.

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
16 days ago

I would love it if the Yankees traded us anything for Rengifo, let alone Everson Pereira.

I would laugh when Rengifo’s bat dries up and an error costs them a playoff game. I can’t think of a better place for him to go.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago

Meanwhile, Rengifo is 6th in MLB in batting average and tied for 6th in stolen bases.

Rengifo will be a hot commodity at the deadline and the yanks & doyers figure prominently.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Let us pray that St. Perry holds out for some quality return when the fire sale starts. Atlanta rumored to be open to trading a top 5 SP and another pitcher currently thriving @ AA for Ward.

Get’er done St. Perry!

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

There will be no fire sale. The Halos are in contention for a playoff spot, so probably only a few players may be moved. Anderson, Estevez and Rengifo are the likely trade pieces.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago

You are stacking bad takes today. All things considered, our best player is O’Hoppe, followed by Neto and then Rengifo.

Ward is our 4th best player though he doesn’t play a premium defense position and has one more year of control. We’ve already seen peak Ward IMO whilst Logan & Zach have room to grow.

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Do NOT trade Ward. He is the best player on the team and Perry won’t get appropriate value for him. The Halos still need some butts in seats.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 days ago

Do you think Ward has a large fan following like Trout or Ohtani? I don’t. I think he’s like the Red Baron

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
16 days ago

The red baron was more popular. Does ward even have a nickname here? I don’t believe I’ve ever heard one.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

When a team is as bad the Angels, there is no one untradeable for the right offer. Ward is a good player, he’s not someone you build a team around. If some team blew me away with an offer for O’Hoppe or Neto, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
16 days ago

I agree with Bluto and say trade him while he still has value. This team needs young, controllable prospects that can be developed and mature together.

Hopefully Arte pulls the cord and sells but who knows what whacky crap they’ll try. Disney Corp was not good at baseball but even they understood that you leave player development to baseball people. Salmon, Erstad, Glaus, Anderson, Eck, KRod were all home grown guys that were the core of the good teams.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I keep seeing “appropriate value” brought up around here. Not just you, lots of folks.

We need to be careful, or want to be careful if we don’t want to be miserable bitches, when it comes to trades as a “bottom ten” team. Don’t use a hindsight calculator for these trades. I can tell that CtPG Guy, in his desperate need to hate his own team, is hyper aware of every GOOD trade other teams make for prospects, but totally ignores the boner trades that the GMs he lusts after have made. Doesn’t even know they exist.

We aren’t trying to get equal value for a guy like Ward or Rengifo. We are trying to get some value for a piece that has minimal future value for the franchise because he will be leaving us. THAT is the value a trade partner will be matching.

We will hopefully get some solid prospects from solid systems. That’s all they are though. Lottery tickets from a store that has had some winners in the past. BUT, that’s better than the sure thing we get if we keep these players, which is a team that is as good as we have now with a few players who will leave soon to watch for one more year, maybe two.

Most of the prospects we get will fail. But NOT trading guys means we are counting on the draft and current farm to elevate the team at some point. Trading means you take a shot at maybe getting a solid cheap young player down the line. Maybe two if you’re lucky. But that shot is better than the nothing you get otherwise.

But there is no situation where we get prospects that equal Rengifo’s static value right now. His value to us is that of a guy who will be an FA fairly soon for a possibly .500 team. What we get back will be the best offer from a bunch of GMs who know that.

Trades should get our farm out of the bottom 5 though.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

Question for the assembled masses who are the best Trade deadline prospect acquisitions in Halo History?

Is Sandoval one of the bestest ?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

Our AI overlord sez:

The Los Angeles Angels have made some notable minor league prospect acquisitions at the trade deadline over the years. Here are a few that stand out:

  1. Patrick Corbin (2010):
  • Acquired from the Arizona Diamondbacks in a trade deadline deal that sent Dan Haren to Arizona.
  • Corbin was a promising young pitcher at the time and later developed into a solid MLB starter, although he made a bigger impact with the Diamondbacks than the Angels.
  1. Tyler Skaggs (2009):
  • Skaggs was originally drafted by the Angels in 2009 and was traded to the Arizona Diamondbacks as part of the Dan Haren deal.
  • He was re-acquired by the Angels from the Diamondbacks in a trade deadline deal in 2010.
  • Skaggs became a key part of the Angels’ pitching rotation until his tragic passing in 2019.
  1. Kyle Hendricks (2013):
  • Acquired from the Texas Rangers along with Joe Ortiz in exchange for pitcher Scott Downs.
  • Hendricks was a minor league pitcher known for his command and later went on to achieve significant success with the Chicago Cubs.
Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

Damn SKYNET A.I. Bullshit. Here’s reality:

Corbin was traded as a prospect FROM the Angels to the D Backs as part of the package to an acquire Dreamy Dan Haren.Skaggs was reacquired by the Angels in December 2013 NOT at the trade deadline.Kyle Hendricks was never in the Angels system . He was drafted by us but never signed.Anyone else subscribe to an AI App that is actually semi-accurate?

But I think I did figure out what the winning prospect trade was :

July 13, 2001 The Angels trade Journeyman Outfielder Kimera Bartee to the Colorado Rockies for minor Leaguer Chone Figgins.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

ChatGPT AI just ain’t what it used to be 🤣

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I would’ve said the angels won that trade but with how mediocre/disappointing sandoval has been, Hou probably won that trade.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago

More rounds in the mag is better than less rounds.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
16 days ago

We can finish in 4th place with Ward or without Ward, who is already 31 years old.

But in a couple of years when the team might (might) be good again the prospect(s) acquired by trading Ward might help.

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I trust opinions here (sometimes, even 2002 is right😀), but I just don’t see where people think Arte (he is the #1 decider, no?) is going to part with reasonably priced controlled talent…. He doesn’t rebuild. We need to field a team next year, Rengifo and Ward are realistically our two best players. Unavailability strikes Rengifo and Trout from that conversation.
Anderson, Drury, Estevez, Pillar, basically anyone that doesn’t have contract next year, I see them moving, regardless where we are in the standings come the deadline. But, do we dump everyone if we are 7.5 games out? Obviously Arte won’t let PTP be a buyer after last year….but.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Twebur

You must look at all things “Angels” through an illogical lens.

Therefore we will be buyers before the trade deadline and dumpers after the trade deadline.

steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

The prospect return for Ward will cost Arte less than half of what he pays Ward.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
16 days ago

Rengifo to Yankees brings Luis Polonia to my mind. He always talked about how he hated the “Jankees” when he played for the Angels. He had been with the Yankees before and came off like a jilted ex-lover. He went on to play with them in two more stints during his career.

Rengifo might shine bright there or explode into flames. Either would be fun to see as long as the Angels get a good return. He will be gone in the next year or two anyway which is before the Angels have any hope of relevance.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

He may go full time lefty with that short rf wall

WallyChuckChili
Legend
16 days ago

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Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

Having Rendon back will mean:

No Sano in the lineup
No Schanuel at the lead off spot.

I’m ok with both those changes.

halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

IMNSHO…neither will be back before the All Star Break

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You know, Sano or no Sano……Willie said he can have some of his ABs at DH.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Gah knows it’s good to hear a guy is feeling like he might maybe do something or other maybe.

Lock it in.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
16 days ago

2022 MLB draftees by career WAR:
1) Neto 3.9
2) Jackson Holliday 0.5
3) Jordan Beck 0.7

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
16 days ago

No longer a stretch to call him the pick of the draft, considering where has selected, his performance and that of other middle-round draftees.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
16 days ago

Edit: Those are negative WARs for Holliday and Beck… and only reflects 1st rounders. Phillies pitcher/5th rounder Orion Kirkering is second with a 1.0.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

I think it’s a little premature to call Big Poppa the king of the draft. Jackson Holiday is just 20 years old and he may have 2-3 times more WAR by the time he reaches Neto’s current age.

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grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah but Holliday was a no-brainer/consensus Top 3 pick. I’m thinking “pick of the draft” more as arbitrage… value vs. draft position. Anyway to your point… it’s still early.

halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago

Despite all the hate for Minasian here…he did good on this one.

MarineLayer
Super Member
16 days ago

And then there’s Schnauel. Or that all pitcher gimmick draft that yielded limited results. Sore armed relief pitcher Sam Bachman wasn’t much of a #1 pick. Last year’s “pennant” trades were a disaster, minor league assets for nothing. Robert Stephenson anyone? Yikes.

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

$500,000 Eppei buck Schnauel comes back next year and improves his hitting significantly, across the board. He’ll make adjustments…. primarily in his OB%, he will start making better contact, more consistently.

Free Eppei

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halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Agree…adjustments are what good hitters do.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

Yep just like he has adjusted in his last 13 games slashing .298/.411/.404 Those are like Non Coors Field Todd Helton numbers. I’d take that in a heart beat over the course of a season.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

Funny, I thought Helton too. I think he’s gonna have a year of suck>adjust>Helton>>suck>adjust>Helton. I also think that’s exactly what this season is for. By the time the teams good again he’ll hopefully be mostly Helton.

halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

At the time I thought the all pitcher draft was brilliant.

Also said if 2 make MLB…a win and rest are trade bait.

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago

I still think it will turn out to be a legit draft especially if Bush continues to dominate.

Injuries are everything. But again go back and look at every other team that drafted behind us. Perry does not look any worse than his contemporaries.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

Prospects fail. It was still a good idea. We need young cheap pitching. That wierd Covid draft was full of question marks for all players cause scouting was skint. Throw a haymaker. We may still actually get a couple arms out of it.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  MarineLayer

Hurray for small dick energy.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Bachman is still young. He may be one of those late bloomer relievers where he’s really good age 26 – 32.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Yes, he gets credit for the selection of Neto….just like he gets poked in the eye for drafting Sam Bachman.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

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Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
16 days ago

Neto has appeared in 161 games. Holliday and Beck have combined for 33.

This is nowhere near a done deal and I’m pretty sure Orioles and Rockies still think their guy is better long term.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

Fleece the Tigers Halos!!

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I think you mean ‘skin’

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think we should Tame the Tigers

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Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Yeah, that ended well in Vegas.

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago

Zach Neto has produced 2.3 WAR so far this season, which is close to a 5 WAR pace.

Angels stand 33-46.
Here are our next 17 games before the ASB:

4 vs Tigers (37-43)
3 @ A’s (29-54)
3 @ Cubs (37-44)
3 vs Rangers (37-43)
4 vs Mariners (46-37)

Let’s keep it rolling. Maybe, just maybe, we can field a fully team (minus Sandy) by end of July?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’m thinking we get 9 wins of those 17. I’ll of course hopium for more.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
16 days ago

Finally don’t have the worstest home record in the league

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$2 tickets (no fees) available for tonight’s game to see the Davis Daniel era begin

red floyd
Legend
16 days ago

Please learn your memes. It’s “Worsiest”

halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago

Are we going for two sweeps in a row?

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago

Tigers are a much better team than the A’s. The SP matchup favors them.

3-1 would be more than satisfactory.

halofansince1978
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Rex will say we’re gonna sweep…Hopeium Baby!!

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

With Daniel pitching tonight and Plesac tomorrow even 3-1 might be a reach.

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

On the same page.

We will lose the Plesac start and Anderson goes against Skrubal on Sunday. Will be a tough series

Cowboy26
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

MLB still shows Mize pitching on Sunday which would be much better for us. Flaherty who pitches tonight is also having a dominating season. Olson who pitches on Saturday is no slouch either.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah. I follow the Tigers some. I get the sense we are thinking of the 2022 Tigers and a sweep. They aren’t GREAT yet, but they got some sharp pokie parts to their roster and can beat on a team like ours. I won’t complain about a split at all.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yeah. Tigers aren’t slouches now.

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