Estevez Lost Pitcher’s Duel Postgame

Did all those belched out solar particles screw up the pitch com devices? Apparently not.

Here are the lineups for this game. Try not to get too excited.

Inning #1

The Royals went three up three down. There were no strikeouts but nobody reached base. Canning threw 12 pitches. Nolan Schanuel struck out. Mickey Moniak popped out to short. Taylor Ward reached on an infield hit. Willie Calhoun also popped out to the shortstop.

Inning #2

Salvador Perez flied out to right field. Michael Massey flied out to left. MJ Melendez tripled on a ball deflected by Nolan Schanuel. Adam Frazier flied out to Jo Adell in right. Niko Goodrum reached on a throwing error by the pitcher, Alec Marsh. He proceeded to steal second base. Matt Thaiss struck out swinging. Jo Adell also struck out swinging. Zack Neto joined the crowd and struck out swinging.

Inning #3

The Royals went three up three down with two strikeouts. Griffin Canning was up to 42 pitches at this point. Luis Guillorme doubled to left. Nolan Schanuel grounded out to second but advanced Guillorme to third base. The Angels tried to squeeze in Guillorme, but Mickey Moniak popped up his bunt resulting in a double play.

Inning #4

Bobby Witt Jr. grounded out to second. Vinnie Pasquantino grounded out. Salvador Perez popped out to second. Taylor Ward flied out to center. Willie Calhoun doubled on a sharp liner to right. Niko Goodrum grounded to the right sending Calhoun to third. Matt Thaiss struck out. The Angels get ’em on and get ’em over, but they don’t get ’em in. Brutal!

Inning #5

Michael Massey hit one to right but Jo Adell made a nice diving play to take away extra bases.

MJ Melendez singled on a liner to right. Adam Frazier walked. Dairon Blanco flied out to right. Kyle Isbel grounded out to second. Jo Adell homered to center. 1-0 Angels.

Zack Neto reached on another throwing error by Alec Marsh. Luis Guillorme struck out swinging. Nolan Schanuel grounded out to first but advanced Neto to third base with two outs whereupon Mickey Moniak struck out swinging.

Inning #6

Maikel Garcia lined out to left. Bobby Witt Jr. struck out. Vinnie Pasquantino hit a ground rule double down the right field line. Salvador Perez walked. Canning was replaced here after 90 pitches by Adam Cimber. Royals were on first and second with two outs. Michael Massey struck out swinging.

Taylor Ward walked to lead off the Angels half of the sixth inning. Willie Calhoun popped out to third and Niko Goodrum walked. At this point Chris Stratton came in to replace Alec Marsh on the mound. Matt Thaiss grounded out to the pitcher for the second out. At least he advanced the runners. Jo Adell struck out.

Inning #7

Matt Moore came in to replace Adam Cimber. MJ Melendez flied out to left. Adam Frazier singled on a liner to center. Dairon Blanco was batting when Matt Moore advanced Frazier to second with a wild pitch.
Blanco struck out. Nelson Velazquez pinch hit for Kyle Isbel and walked to put men at first and second with two outs. Maikel Garcia flied out to Jo Adell.

Will Smith replaced Chris Stratton on the mound. Zack Neto struck out on three pitches. Luis Guillorme lined out to left. Nolan Schanuel also hit a fly ball out to left.

Inning #8

Luis Garcia came in to pitch for Matt Moore. Bobby Witt Jr. popped out to second. Vinnie Pasquantino struck out swinging. Salvador Perez flied out to Jo Adell in right. Tyler Duffey replaced Will Smith on the mound for Kansas City. Mickey Moniak flied out to center. So did Taylor Ward. Willie Calhoun lined out to left.

Inning #9

In came Carlos Estevez to close out the ninth. Charlie Sheen says, “Winning!” Michael Massey popped out to Matt Thaiss in foul territory. MJ Melendez singled to center. Garrett Hampson came in to pinch run for him. Adam Frazier homered to make it 2-1 Royals. Carlos Estevez says, “Losing!” Dairon Blanco flied out to left. Nelson Velazquez hit a ground rule double to left. Maikel Garcia struck out.

John Schreiber came in to pitch for Tyler Duffey. Niko Goodrum grounded out to first. Matt Thaiss doubled on a sharp liner to center. Kyren Paris came in to run for Thaiss. Jo Adell grounded out to the pitcher. Zack Neto grounded out to third. Game over. The Angels snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and lost 2-1. You can put a toilet seat over this one.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Inglecias lost a no-hitter with 2 outs in the 9th.

The curse followed him to Atlanta.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 days ago

with Houston down 7-0 in the 2nd inning this is a fantastic opportunity for us to climb up to 4th place

Dinkycreek
Member
6 days ago

This lineup tonight should be good for 5 hits and 2 runs.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 days ago
Reply to  Dinkycreek

Good lord, Paris is back up? SMH.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 days ago

IIWPM I’d sign Tucker, Pillar, and Goodrum and have Wash put them in the lineup. I’d also call up .093 Kyren Paris to start at 2b. No Mickey today.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
6 days ago

I don’t even want to waste gas getting to/from the park with this lineup.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 days ago

I suspect if we were to hang around the parking lot impersonating washed up big leaguers Perry would sign us and tell Wash to play us.

Fansince1971
Legend
6 days ago

Good Orgs have plans and the personnel and structure in place to execute those plans over time. I dont get the sense that the Angels have a long term plan in place. The lack of such a plan results in repeated poor decisions.

The only “plan” that the Angels Org has enunciated over the last decade is being ‘competitive’ but that is just a word. At most it’s a concept but it’s not a plan.

An example of a plan would be to commit to building the roster primarily from the farm system and to use that system to help overcome injuries. With that plan an Organization would invest heavily in scouting,, international scouting,player evaluation
and development and the best technology to help maximize the development of players such as pitching labs. When opportunities arose to trade short term players for a bevy of prospects, the Org would consider it seriously.

A plan can also be to spend lavishly on free agents which would then benefit from an investment in analytics and the best talent to find hidden gems.

Maybe the plan is keeping players healthy and hiring the best training and strength and conditioning staff available.

Or maybe the plan consists of multiple parts such as developing the Farm, augmenting with free agents and maximizing player health.

Plans take money and commitment. They require hiring lots of skilled people who don’t get the spotlight or directly put players in seats. I believe that is why Arte has not committed to a plan. They take focus and money and patience.

“Competitive” is not cohesive or specific enough to be a plan. Competitive is the kind of concept that leads to not trading Ohtani, trading for 1 mo of Giolito, signing Hamilton, trading for Vernon Wells and avoiding a rebuild.

I believe the lack of a cohesive and focused plan is one of the main reasons the Angels have failed as miserably as they have despite having Ohtani and Trout together for 6 years.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

“competitive” is not this (since 2016)

74-88, 21 games behind
80-82, 21 gb (2nd place)
80-82, 23 gb
72-90, 35 gb
26-34, 10 gb
77-85, 18 gb
73-89, 33 gb, (3rd place)
73-89, 17 gb
14-25, 7 1/2 gb, 5th place)

all other seasons in 4th place

Fansince1971
Legend
6 days ago

Correct. While they have stated ‘competitive’ is the goal they have not achieved it. That is because that word is only a concept and there has been no plan in place to achieve it.

Last edited 6 days ago by Fansince1971
smithy610
Super Member
6 days ago

There’s one word for this.

Insanity.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 days ago

without Wash’s 15 WAR we’d be minus 1 and 40.

Fansince1971
Legend
6 days ago

Well to be fair that 15 WAR is spread out over a season. We are approximately 25% done with the season so that would be approximately 4 WAR attributable to Wash.

So following that logic the team would be 10 W and 29 L without Wash. 😂

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
7 days ago

There is a way to fix us or at least help build the farm. The 2025 FA class. Much deeper, here’s hoping Perry/Arte didn’t spend this yr and were looking ahead (lol). First be aggressive early, start by bringing home Burnes and Justin Turner; while everyone is fighting for Soto, Alonso, and Cole. Try to snag Christian Walker too. Trade outfielders with another last place team, Ward for Sox Luis Robert or Pirates Reynolds. Ward is good but maybe we need to change chemistry of the outfield. Then sign any ok FA closer not named Esteves. Make all contracts short 2yr opt out. If team still under 500, trade all of them to contenders for prospects. Sure, to make this work Arte will need to blow off the cobwebs on his wallet, but it could be win for him. He can dump payroll at trade deadline and if team plays well bring up value to sell. Don’t mean to throw too much wishful thinking to CTPG, but at this point, the team needs some type of game plan for the future.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

This and grab Soto. He’ll only be 26 along with Adell, Trout, and potentially the other youngsters as a nucleus.

steelgolf
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Wait. You are going to give Justin Turner a 2 year deal? Bold move Cotton.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

Burnes is the interesting FA. A true No. 1, strong frame and post-season repertoire. Exactly what this teams needs. Pending injury, he has to the the focus. Expect Giants to be all over him as well and a half-dozen other teams. Yanks will resign Soto, who wants to play on the East Coast, which is fine. No way I get involved with him.

Fansince1971
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6 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

IMO – zero chance Arte increases the budget to execute such signings in 2025 without a long term revenue source such as a new or reworked television deal. He will not count on ticket sales as attendance this season is likely to be way down. With significantly decreased revenue, I seriously doubt Arte is going to dig deep to sign a bunch of free agents in ‘25.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
6 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Very possibly true, but if that’s the case, every season from here on out will look very similar to this one until Arte sells.

Fansince1971
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6 days ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

IMO there is zero chance Arte will increase the budget for 2025 to allow for such signings unless a new or revised television deal is put into place. If the past is ann ancc predictor of the future, the uncertainty of revenue streams will likely cause Arte to cut payroll rather than increase it. As a result, I doubt we will see big investments by Arte in free agents in 2025.

angelslogic
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7 days ago

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Angels2020Champs
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7 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Well done sir!

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WallyChuckChili
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7 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

$69.95?

I’ll wait for the bootleg.

smithy610
Super Member
7 days ago

Unlike the rest of the team, Adell likes playing at home. Hopefully he stays healthy and hits 30 HRs and have an OPS of .850.

At this point, it’s really hard to care about the round of bargain bins Perry picks up to plug whatever holes are in the team. But I hope the below stays healthy for the full season and play a lot of games:

Schanuel
Neto
O’Hoppe
Adell
Moniak
Detmers
Canning
Soriano

It’s not that I don’t wish the rest to not stay healthy and play, but I really don’t expect most of the others to be with the team at the end of the season, or even the next. So it’s hard to care. Except for whatever potential prospects or lottery tickets the team might get in exchange.

In yesterday’s post, I was commenting about Howie and how he was a great find in the later rounds of the draft and how he stabilized the 2B position for 8 years after Adam left. It’s easy to take HK for granted because he didn’t turn out to be the superstar Gubi was projecting him to be. But look at the carousel the team has had at 2B since he left – Giavotella, Featherson, Kinsler, Espinoza, Drury, , and now Guillorme. What’s been the plan since HK left?! And it’s not like anyone promising is coming up soon from the farm.

We don’t have to have superstars at every position. Frankly, we’ve tried that already in 2012 and it didn’t work. But like Jeff mentioned yesterday, this organization just couldn’t evaluate talent, and even on the ones they luck out on (Trout, Ohtani) they find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Last edited 7 days ago by smithy610
Pineapple12
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Hitman Howie is forsure in my top 5-10 favorite Halos.

(I know nobody wants to hear it, but Rengifo can be our 2nd baseman for the foreseeable future).

smithy610
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I accidentally deleted Rengifo in my post above, but I definitely listed him there.

If this team is even remotely competitive, I would hold on to him. But as it is, it’s a good 4-5 years away, and that will be past Luis’ prime.

Pineapple12
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Yep, I’m in the same boat. He’s the immediate answer at 2B. Rationally, I’m not against trading him, especially at his peak value.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Trade Rengifo now at his peak value.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I like The Heef but absolutely, deal him if it helps the farm.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

HK-47, it’s been a long drought since we had a guy like him come up through the minors. Trout and nothing else.

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

With 500+ AB’s Adell will definitely hit 30+ bombs.

The question has ALWAYS been, is he a .200-.220 hitter or a .240-.260 hitter?

K rate is everything for Jo, but I’m happy to see him potentially grab the mantle as “The Dude” from MNT.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Estevez sucked prior to the Angels, and it was a fools errand to think he would magically improve as an Angel. In his career he’s had 91 save opportunities and only converted 62 of them. Yep – he’s the guy you want to have the ball when the game is on the line.

But alas, Perry loved him because he has velocity. Obtaining highly hittable, uncontrolled velocity is Perry’s epitaph.

All is not lost though. With the loss our beloved Halo’s edge closer to having the worst record in all of baseball:

Marlins 10 wins
Rockies 10 wins
White Sox 11 wins
Angels 14 wins
Astros 14 wins

If we do not have the talent to win, by gawd we deserve the talent to lose in graphically epic ways to secure the best draft choice possible. I certainly have faith in Arte, Kuhl, Carpino, and Perry to give the fans their very best to be the worst.

Pineapple12
Super Member
7 days ago

Serious question — does Perry have a love affair with velocity?

I would need to actually dig into the BP acquisitions during his tenure, but I wouldn’t say he’s been chasing velo anymore than other teams. If anything, I’ve thought our BP has been lacking velo for the longest time.

Outside of that, I agree. Charlie Sheen is not closer material.

Last edited 7 days ago by Pineapple12
MarineLayer
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Yeah, Luop and that other guy from last year (can’t even remember his name) really fire it in there.

Pineapple12
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Loup and Tepera broke radar guns with those 89 mph heaters

FungoAle
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Perry has not been a velo guy. Claudio, Cishek, Watson, Hoyt, Sleggers was his inaugural signings. Pitch to contact, different look malarkey…how did that work out?

FungoAle
Super Member
7 days ago

Estevez is gone after this year so we won’t have to worry about it. His ERA will drop and aiming to trade him in July. He still has value.

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 days ago

Oh boy, we’re in last place now.

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 days ago

The only thing that matters now is how are young players, that we expect to be foundational pieces, perform and develop between now and September.

Adell is looking good. Really good.

clover_black
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I remember thinking that about trout and he’s gonna be 33 when he plays next with nothing to show for.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  clover_black

The only hero on the Angels is gone.

Where have you gone, Mike Trout?
The fans turn their lonely eyes to you.

Twebur
Legend
7 days ago

At least Joltin’ Jo hasn’t left and gone away 
Hey, hey, hey 
Hey, hey, hey

Twebur
Legend
7 days ago

Where have you gone, Mr Ward’inson?
The fans turn their lonely stink eye to you.

.208.259.250 last 10’ish games

Great opportunity for him to step up and show some gritty leadership. Looks like he’s doing the opposite.
Thought this year would be different….shame on me.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Adell will replace him next year.

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 days ago

I weep daily for Trout and the sad decline. It’s hard to watch.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

Trout was a foundational piece. Ohtani was a foundational piece. Betts is a foundational piece. Soto is a foundational piece. Acuna is a foundational piece. These are all players you build a team around.

There’s a reason why our farm system is ranked at the bottom and that this franchise has not sniffed the play-offs in 10+ years. Based on all evidence thus far, do we really have foundational pieces on the roster today? It seems like we have filler, not foundation.

Twebur
Legend
7 days ago

Then why is FBM on our jerseys. I thought that meant we are building a foundation?

steelgolf
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

That foundation has some major structural issues and flaws.

Twebur
Legend
7 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Not up to MLB code. And the County inspector won’t write anything off on this rebuild. Something about the open-air toilet in the Kitchen. Said we can’t shit where we eat.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago

We need Soto and one more to go with the complementary pieces.

Twebur
Legend
7 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The mid-May 2024 circle for 2025 begins… I’m making a few assumptions here… Soto will not want to play for unarguably one of the worst organizations in MLB. If he did, it’s because we are willing to significantly overpay him with years and total money, thus leaving much less on the table for more players who have talent.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

I agree, and that is what we are faced with. They just have to get through the next two years and Rendon’s 40M goes off the books.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

So far he’s the only one though. I think we have to realize both Schanuel and Neto would still be in the minors and be rookies next year on a good team.Neto has proven to be a slick fielding SS so he will play no matter what going forward but neither of them are hitting. And Neto is hitting better than Shanuel. Schanuel is still digging out of a black hole so we’ll see where he’s at the end of the season. Mickey has yet to do anything to convince me he is anything other than an extra OF. He’s still cheap though. If Adell finishes the season with his current slash line, he Trout, and Soto would be a nice OF.

Mia
Legend
Mia
7 days ago

I’m just here to overreact about a last place team.

James
Trusted Member
7 days ago

Estevez is a steaming pile of pitching dog crap. Tired of him costing us games. Good frickin grief

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  James

Another in a long line of crappy closers.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 days ago

Offense to blame for tonight’s loss. You usually cannot win with a single run. Allowing two runs in nine innings was stellar, especially against a very good team.

JackFrost
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Lol. 1-0 scores do happen you know…. as do 2-1 scores. Did you know the Royals had MORE Lobsters than the Angels tonight ? Yes, that is right. Kansas City had 8 and we had 7. And the Royals were also 0-7 in RISP situations….

But guess what? They win the game because our “closer” sucks, our advance scouting sucks and we don’t get coffee because coffee is for closers.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  JackFrost

We had twice as many ABs with RISP and still failed. We had 14 ABs with runners in scoring position and couldn’t drive in one run.

steelgolf
Super Member
7 days ago

No coffee for Estevez. He is NOT a closer.

DowningDude
Legend
7 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

He is a c-LOSER

John Henry Weitzel
Editor
Super Member
7 days ago

On the bright side, the Angels #1 draft chances are now really good

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 days ago

Of course, now there’s a lottery and are we going to win that?

FungoAle
Super Member
7 days ago

I’ve never been a fan but as tough as it looks, Emilio is still the best 9th inning option. The home run ball has bitten him thus far but still carries a 0.95 WHIP. No walks is welcoming. Get that ERA down, beef up the saves and send him to the AL East.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I think it’s Matt Moore.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

He has been snake bit too and is lefty

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I didn’t say he was a great choice, but the best we’ve got given Minasian’s crappy roster.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I thought he rebuilt the bullpen.

max
Trusted Member
max
6 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Nah, that was last year

MarineLayer
Super Member
6 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

He rebuilt the nursing home roster, guys to hang out with Rendone.

JackFrost
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Avoiding walks is indeed important for him, as I have said before. However, he isn’t pitching smart. Alot of this comes down to scouting as well, which clearly is very poor by the Angels. I mean, Frazier beat him on basically the ONLY location he can hit it out on — inside. If that pitch is anywhere else, outer half, or even right down the middle it is an easy flyball out. This is just poor preparation, not knowing the hitter etc. This guy has literally zero power and can’t hit it out of any part of the ballpark EXCEPT right down the line — which is what he did.

If it weren’t so sad it would be funny.

Last edited 7 days ago by JackFrost
Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago

I know people aren’t happy with the way we lost, and yes you need to be able to hold a 1 run lead going into the 9th, but the pitching staff gave up 2 runs. We only scored 1 and were 0-14 with RISP.

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