LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Bee Delay

The Dodgers game against the Diamondbacks was delayed a couple of hours while a beekeeper was summoned to remove a swarm from the foul ball netting behind home plate at Chase Field. He got a standing ovation and they had him throw out the first pitch. Jordan Montgomery was scheduled to start, but got scratched and rescheduled to Wednesday.

The Angels just signed Kevin Pillar to a one year deal and selected the contract of Amir Garrett. Deck Chairs. I don’t know if there is anything new here. Anthony Rendon will be out for quite a while it seems. The Angels also selected Willie Calhoun. I guess Otto is now joined by groundskeeper Willie.

Abner Uribe, Freddy Peralta, manager Pat Murphy and Jose Siri were all fined and suspended after being ejected from the Brewers Rays game on Tuesday. Peralta hit Siri intentionally with a pitch and was ejected. Murphy argued the ejection and was also ejected. Later in the game, Uribe and Siri came to blows resulting in a benches clearing incident. Here is another view of the brawl for you fight fans.

Padres right-hander Luis Patino had Tommy John surgery. The Red Sox just designated right-hander Vladimir Gutierrez for assignment. The Mets signed infielder Mike Brosseau to a minor league deal.

Balks for disengagement violations are apparently becoming quite fashionable.

Ippei Mizuhara funneled Shohei Ohtani’s money through casinos in California and Nevada to pay his bookie.

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Roy Hobbs
Super Member
15 days ago

Rengifo, Ward, and Neto are currently on pace for 4-4.5 WAR. Trout was on pace for 6+. Rendon and O’Hoppe for 1.5-2. The issues were 1B, RF, and DH, and now CF and 3B. Hopefully Moniak, Drury, and Adell, can step up.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Adell has been doing well.

Cowboy26
Legend
15 days ago

After tonight the Angels main four Minor League teams will be a collective 37-63. I realize that minor league trophies really don’t matter but if losing is this pervasive at all levels of the organization how to expect to change that culture by tanking as many here are espousing ?

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
15 days ago

“76ers ownership tries to keep New York fans out of Game 6”
No comment

Brent
Super Member
15 days ago

Herget traded to the Braves for cash considerations.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  Brent

this is relevant to the suggestion that we trade off pieces we don’t want.

Cowboy26
Legend
15 days ago

Who then become All Stars for their new teams

Angelz4ever
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

For all the whining back then, you’d think Sean Newcombe would’ve won the Cy Young twice by now…..

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
15 days ago

when I get down about Trout’s .220 average I whistle a happy tune and notice his 10 HRs and Judge’s .197 BA.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago

I miss the days of numerous .300+ hitters. By the time we get to September, there won’t be more than 10-12 .300+ hitters in MLB.

Hitting is an art.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I believe if we went back to a level swing instead of this launch angle business we’d hit better and if we went back to control instead of 100 mph fastballs we’d pitch better…and gave fewer injuries

red floyd
Legend
15 days ago

Cue the Aybar GIF!

Twebur
Legend
15 days ago

An idea for the Angels to draw some fans
https://x.com/GoChiliPeppers/status/1786057499327549869

Cowboy26
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

God only knows what will be happening in the stands that night.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah, ummmm…blacklight aluminates certain body fluids.

The stadium may look like the world’s largest CSI crime scene.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
15 days ago

Good, Bad, Ugly,

Good, Overall play of Renny,
Bad, Overall Pitching of Sandy,
Ugly, Moniak with a bat.

Good, Anderson throwing the ball,
Bad, Our Closer,
Ugly, Saurez on the mound.

Good, Trout leading the league in HRs,
Bad, Trout being injury prone,
Ugly, Rendon as an Angel, more Devil in disguise.

Good, Det’s pitching,
Bad, Det’s last couple of starts,
Ugly, Adell on the bases.

Good, Ward with the bat,
Bad, Trout’s clutch hitting,
Ugly, Renny not DHing.

Good, start Adell is enjoying,
Bad, Over playing O’Hoppe,
Ugly, The Blowpen.

Last one,

Good, Embracing the Tanking,
Bad, that we have to Tank at all,
Ugly, Having to endure horrible Ownership of Moreno.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago

Trout breaking down, again, is almost worse than the losing. It’s sad to watch a great talent fade away this way.

Simba
Trusted Member
15 days ago

I suddenly hear Ennio Morricone’s music in my mind ….

FungoAle
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Simba

Ennio, a mad genius of spaghetti

2GA2Join
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Simba

Enrico Pallazzo?

Omahalo22
Member
16 days ago

It’s comforting to watch the halos because there’s no chance of postseason. It’s like a warm blanket. So comfy. Thank you halos….for the catharsis.

angelslogic
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Omahalo22

Not really. I’m really tired of being shocked by that cozy electric blanket when it short-circuits.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  Omahalo22

We have our Octobers free for as long as Arte owns the team!

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

this is the problem. We know we are doomed yet we continue to root, as if we might win. We know we won’t sign the proper guys. We know we don’t have proper scouting. We watch as other teams go through cycles where they’re terrible, then start winning again while we don’t.

We hear that Arte won’t rebuild because he wants us to maintain being competitive when we’re *not* competitive. But even if he was onboard with a rebuild he hasn’t hired the proper people to achieve that. We are stuck!

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
15 days ago

yeah, I figure we’ll be bad for Arte + 3 years.

This organization is decimated from the top down. MLB roster is lacking talent, the farm sucks, and that is all due to the horrible executives who only have their jobs due to Arte.

You can’t turn a baseball team around in one draft like in other sports. It’ll take the real executives a good 3 years to build an organization.

2GA2Join
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I know I’ve said this before, but I think this org is at such a low right now, that things are going to be obviously low to Arte too. I don’t think he can be oblivious like the past 10 years when he had superstar Trout/Ohtani to make himself think he owns an exciting team that draws tons of fans. So my hope is that “something will give.” Either he will change the way the org is run (although it might take him longer to realize this is necessary, but he’ll hopefully get there if we stay the way we are for a while), or, he’ll sell.

Last edited 15 days ago by 2GA2Join
Fansince1971
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The Org needs to completely change to have any chance. The failure to trade Ohtani and then giving away legitimate prospects for a 1 month rental was the final nail in the coffin. The only thing we can hope for is an entirely new org with quality baseball people who are patient enough to build a team over time.

Last edited 15 days ago by Fansince1971
smithy610
Super Member
16 days ago

What Wash expects now that Mickey may be his full-time CF:

When Washington was asked what has to happen for Moniak to become productive, he had a simple answer.

“Make contact,” Washington said. “He’s not making contact. Use the whole field. Be Mickey. Not that Mickey that hit 14 home runs and thinks he’s a home run hitter. The Mickey who, when he got drafted, he was putting the ball all over the place. And then occasionally he’ll catch a home run.”

Mickey’s not passing the eye test yet, but he’s passing the numbers test, so far. SSS beware:

Moniak, 25, said he’s tried this season to be better with his swing decisions. It’s probably too early to read much into the numbers, but so far Moniak has cut his chase rate from 44% to 25%. The major league average is 22%.

I think Mickey is at a point where Adell was last year. In limbo, kind of lost, and then got a huge, unexpected second chance (only Adell got himself hurt as well). I hope he also finds his footing soon, same way Adell has been doing so far this year.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Moniak will come around, but only if he can be in the line-up regularly.

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Who else going to play? They are signing Scrubs just to get warm bodies.
The opportunity is here and now for him. He can find it.

Last edited 16 days ago by Twebur
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Angelz4ever

what has he done in his career to have earned your trust and confidence?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
15 days ago

He has nice hair and great smile.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

I love how Wash actually answers questions. So refreshing.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

If he can keep his chase rate at 25% that would be awesome.

He seems to let a great pitch go by every at bat then chase one horrible one.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Mike Trout resembles that remark.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

Julio Urías to enter treatment program for domestic violence”

Yeah, he should be housed with several 6′ 9″ guys with telephone pole arms and get biffed upside his head several times a day, sending him to the floor, unexpectedly, for a few weeks. It’s called, “How do you like it” therapy treatment.

Good news though, I am sure the Doyers will sign him back after MLB lets him back in.

I have no respect for woman beaters. Lowest scum of the earth, just above Cho-Mos/Child panderers.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

Dummy Brewers pitcher, with his team leading the game 8-2 in the 8th inning, has to chirp at a guy that just grounded out and then sucker punches the Rays player.

Phi Beta Kappa play there for sure.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago

We’ve sadly reached the doldrums of another poor season if we’re arguing about Rengifo in May 2nd. Geez.

DowningDude
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Hahaha. You took the words right off my keyboard

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yes – it’s a very bad baseball team if Rengifo is our focus.

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

If he could just somehow do away with the cluster of brain fart fielding fiascos….

He would solidify is rank as King of the Angels….MVP! MVP!

More time spent with Wash will help. Might even get him a Heef Bobblehead night next year.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

He needs the Roger Dorn fielding improvement method where Wash just keeps hitting ground balls at him until he is either killed or learns how to field.

Twebur
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

My next dog…..A bulldog named Rengifo!

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

It’s my favorite pastime because Rengifo has proven he’s good 😂😂😂

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

The Man.

The Myth.

The Legend.

Luis Rengifo.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Honestly, it took 1-2 weeks longer to reach the point of talking about how to improve the team in the future than I expected.

It was fun to almost take the 4-game series from TB and to be slow close to cracking .500 for a second time in the season. Alas, it seems so long ago.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

That seems like a millennium ago.

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago

The Lakers, Kings and Trout are done for the summer. Making new plans , Stan.

https://youtu.be/n2Z8uMaLboU?si=7WhLJOQdDE_-g-uP

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Well, at least I still have my Rams.

(Help me LA Rams, you’re my only hope!)

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Is Lebron crying? I certainly hope so.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Darvin Ham rumored to be fired by week’s end, Lebron will be getting another assistant coach soon.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Remember that time he fake crime’d himself for social justice clout? He’s such a douche.

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Angels, Clippers, Ducks on this side

😭😭😭

Brent
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Same here.

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Brent

We (Clippers) need to blow it up. I’m sure Ballmer will bring back PG and Harden with Intuit opening up, but I wish he’d hit the rebuild button.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Kings (hockey), Angels, 49ers, All Blacks… don’t know what’s worse, losing in the finals, almost being swept in the playoffs 1st round or not making it at all.

2GA2Join
Super Member
16 days ago

I watched the Springboks win and was delighted.
Thanks for reminding me that I did indeed get to celebrate a championship in some sport in recent memory.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

There’s no reason on God’s green earth anyone not born in SA would root for them… in fact most the country used to root for the ABs when they played the Boks!! What a battle though. A lot of respect between those countries, I don’t like the brand of rugby they play but it sure does win tournaments!

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago

Answer: Not making it at all is the worst.

If nothing else, a team that reaches the playoffs had an entertaining regular season.

Angels2020Champs
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I agree.

Although the glass 1/2 full for Angels being out of it before April closed is I get to save some money and get back into some outdoor sports.

Kings. Not sure, they started off great, had to fire their coach then had their worst performance against the same playoff team of the 3 straight years. So started great, which is rare for them, but then just went downhill.

49ers. Great, enjoyable season just wish they lost to the Ravens (again).

All Blacks. The quarterfinal vs Ireland was probably one of the greatest games ever played. The final was marred by TMO and was an abomination for the sport. Cant wait until they play Fiji in SD come July! Then just a few weeks until football starts back up.

So losing in the final/SB were on opposite ends of the spectrum.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago

Bruh, you have a serious sports addiction, haha.

Pineapple12
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

A sports addiction is the best kind of addiction.

Sports have never hurt me — alcohol, gambling, and love all have.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Preach. I get it.

FungoAle
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Clippers are next, hopefully.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Thankfully boxing is having as great of a run as I’ve ever seen. Pretty much every week since April 20th has a good card.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Favorite boxer of all-time:

For me, Marvin Hagler.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

The Angels are wasting the best few good innings of Sandoval.

RexFregosi
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

I ehire you.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Oh Ward, I O’Hoppe you do.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago

The reason Arte might finally sell:

“The IRS has launched a campaign to examine whether wealthy taxpayers are violating the law when using their ownership of sports teams to save large amounts in taxes.”

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

That will go away with a healthy donation to a politician.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago

So now we are blacked out due to all that cable network negotiation BS!?

“Boom boom, out goes the lights!”

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Trying to get an understanding of this. Does this affect only Comcast subscribers?

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Only affects Comcast. So if you have Cox etc you will still get broadcast.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I hope it doesn’t affect my dial-up internet. 56K rocks!!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Ah, I have Spectrum, so I guess I’ll find out soon.

Pineapple12
Super Member
16 days ago

Step 1.
Sign Rengifo to an extension.

Step 2.
Enjoy it.

Luis Rengifo
.326 BA
.376 OBP
.465 SLG
139 OPS+
16% K%
6.4% BB%
9/9 SB

Incredible start to the year for 👑 Luis.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Perfect trade bait in 2 months

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago

On a team lacking young & proven players, let’s trade one of the few that we have. He’s only 27 BTW.

That said, for the all the irrational grief he catches here, he’s a really good baseball player. I expect the doyers in particular to make a play for him at the deadline.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Tyler Anderson will probably be traded around the deadline and hopefully we get a few highly regarded pieces in return.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

As Gitcho says – if you think Tyler Anderson and his mediocre pitching and $13m overpay will result in a few highly regarded prospects in trade – you are on drugs.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Think again, pitchers that can give teams a chance to win games for a PS push are quite valuable. Anderson also has another contract year.

Look what Thor netted us.

Last edited 16 days ago by Angelz4ever
BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Numerous teams will covet Anderson at the deadline if he’s still averaging 6 innings per start and his ERA is 4.00 or less.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

That would make him a pitcher with post-season experience who looks to be rebounding from an off-year. Yes, that would make him an in-demand trade asset.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

And look what the White Sox got for Giolito

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
16 days ago

If only we could trade with ourselves.  🙂 

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Would we always win or always lose? It’s a conundrum.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Moniak would pass through waivers unclaimed today.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
15 days ago

I thought you were going for hyperbole to incite the masses until I looked at his stats. I knew he was sucking but he’s reached uncharted levels of sucktitude.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  PedroCerrano

He’s really not that good, but stiring the cauldron is always a hoot too! 🤣

PedroCerrano
Super Member
15 days ago

Yoshinobu Yamamoto signed for $325MM and Tyler Anderson has a better ERA. I think that is the type of player is what the Angels should aim for in a trade.  😐  😐  😶 

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago

The time to move Moniak was this offseason. Now his stock is rock bottom so we might as well hold him to see if he rebounds.

steelgolf
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Consistently hitting in the line up should help him bounce back.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

If he’s still pitching well a month from now, we probably should move Anderson. A classic sell high, move.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yeah, if we’re peering out of the basement window in a few weeks, trade Anderson while we can net something helpful for the future.

2GA2Join
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Absolutely.
I’ve read through all 100 comments to this thread and it seems people get so caught up in semantics.
No one is advocating that we rush to trade Rengifo, Anderson or anyone for anything we can get, like a bucket of balls. The way I would say it is that Perry should absolutely “make everyone available” and see what offers come in, and take the best, unless it is a joke and we’re better off having that player fill a position for us while we’re rebuilding and losing.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Unless Tony Reagins has gotten a GM gig and wants to trade with Perry, the prospect likely would be in the 15 to 20 range in a good system.

You look what Soto got the Padres, and he’s a superstar! Anderson will fetch middling prospects at best.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

If you are going to rebuild you have to be willing to make the tough decision and trade players. All of this “extend Rengifo” sounds like positions people were taking on Ohtani. Do we ever learn around these parts?

Rengifo is an average player on a bad team. He is nothing special. Good teams have multiple Rengifo level players on their rosters. He is not an All-Star. If the Angels were any good we would be saying Rengifo is a good support player and he probably would bat in the 7th-9th hole.

The Angels are in desperate need to rebuild. Maybe by trading Rengifo, Ward, Sandoval, Anderson and Drury they could get a few decent mid-level prospects to help in that regard.

Last edited 16 days ago by Fansince1971
Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Trade Sandoval, Drury and Anderson, but not Ward & Rengifo.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Concur.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

The problem is, no one want’s your bad players for the same reason you don’t want them. They want your good players. Ward and Rengifo who like will likely not be part of the rebuilt team and they have the most trade value. If your plan is to compete in the next year or two then you should probably keep them, but otherwise, you should explore trading them for future needs.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

He’s 27 years old, productive and plays about 90 positions.

We should listen to offers of course but, this rush to move him is rash.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He’s 27 and by the time the Angels complete he will be 32. Trade him for what you can get.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

According to you, he’s not worth much.

I’m open to a trade IF we are getting value in return. Let’s see what the doyers offer. No reason to sell low, regardless of the situation.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He’s worth whatever someone would offer for him. I’m guessing maybe two prospects like a #6 and #10 from a decent system. I’d do that in a second. He’s not needed here – he would be a good complementary bench player on a very good team.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

A 6 and a 10 would become our 1 and 2

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I would strongly consider that trade and oh, he would start for the doyers now. Are they a bad team?

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I think the Angels would get value for him in return. This is Rengifo’s third year of above-average hitting, he’s improved at the plate every year since 2020, he’s in his prime, can play multiple defensive positions, and you get him both this year and next.

He’s going to be a very attractive everyday utility player to a playoff team at the deadline.

But like has been said, the trade needs to be part of a rebuild plan.

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Define “plan”

I am not familiar with that word

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

This is rational and I can get on board with it, even though I’m a big supporter of said player.

I’m convinced that much of the Rengifo vitriol stems from the David Fletcher jihadists being upset that the former is still here and the latter isn’t.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I am not in any way suggesting rushing to move him. And my point above was that you don’t move anyone without good reason. I would definitely move all of the expiring contracts i could. With each player you have to consider how long they’re under club control, what they might cost when their not, when you expect the team to be competitive, and if the player fits in that window. Another possibility in Rengifo’s case is that you buy out a couple of his free agent years early so that he supports your future plans.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I was essentially agreeing with you. The rash comment was for the anti-Rengifo mob.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

LOL, I was looking more at a Sandoval trade to open up a rotation spot for a Youngun’, not bringing in someone’s top pick.

Drury is a power hitting 2B, how many do you think there are in MLB?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

This all sounds good, but no one should be traded for the sake of it. There needs to be a plan with a purpose, something that I don’t believe currently exists. You’re identifying what you have and what you need to get you to your desired endpoint. In this situation, you should have all the leverage because there is no urgency. You only trade if you’re getting something of value to you moving forward.

In the specific case of Rengifo, he is not currently just an average hitter, he is a well above average hitter. You can complain about the sample size and the fact that he does make his share of mistakes on defense, some of which may be attributed to not being able to settle in one position. but the bottom line is right now he’s a really good hitter, is adequate defensively, and is stealing bases. It may be different a month or two from now, but if he continues to hit like he is, or even somewhat less, he’s a really good player on any team making him a very valuable trade chip if you can get back something that moves you towards your goal.

These trades will be a gamble because we don’t want or need major league players, we want players who will be major league players in a year or two. Unfortunately, this will require shrewd minor league talent evaluation which we may not currently have.

Everyone’s ideas are great, but it’s not as easy as it sounds and we will be much uglier than we are now for 3-5 years. I support any good plan just saying there are no guarantees either way.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Perry wants to know if “Planwith Apurpose” can pitch?

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago

Isn’t that Cowboys shtick???

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Really? Like Gavin Lux or David Fletcher.

Rengifo is a highly valuable baseball player, but apparently some people refuse to let go of the animus.

The proof will be in the pudding soon as the deadline nears. I’m curious to see what the doyers are willing to offer because they will most certainly come knocking.

Rengifo is light years better than Gavin Lux.

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Let’s put it this way – Chone Figgins was twice the player that Rengifo is. And Figgins wasn’t even the 6th best hitter on those Angel teams. Rengifo is a decent player but he’s not part of the rebuild. These types of players are common on good teams but he seems extraordinary on this mediocre squad. He should be traded while he has value.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

So now he has value?

Those Chone Figgins squads were fairly stacked talent wise. There was protection up & down the lineup.

The fact that Rengifo is putting up numbers on a poor team speaks volumes.

Last edited 16 days ago by BannedInLA
Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Of course he has some value. Never said otherwise. That is why you trade him.

IF (and it’s a big if) the Angels commit to a rebuild then you trade Rengifo while he has value. The team will be terrible (and purposefully so) for 3-5 seasons while stocking up on top draft picks. Think of the Orioles. That’s the model.

You trade everyone with trade value and you rebuild. That is what this team needs in my opinion. Burn it down and then rebuild. I said the same thing starting in 2022 re Ohtani.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Figgins and Rengifo currently have identical career OPS+s. At 27, Figgins had not yet had a year equal to what Rengifo did last year. His best years were ahead of him when he was 29 and 31. They were the only two years that were the equivalent of what Rengifo did last year. So far this year, Rengifo is on the upswing and hitting far better than Figgins ever did. Should he continue, he will be a superior hitter to Figgins, but that remains to be seen. I do appreciate your thoughts regarding trading players while they have the most value, and as has been mentioned here, it all depends on the plan, when you expect to compete, and what you can get in return.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Interesting & thanks for the numbers crunch.

Figgins had far more talent around him and he flamed
out immediately in Seattle.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Lux has better tattoos though.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

As I dude with multiple tats, you just swayed me with that compelling argument.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  BannedInLA

I’d take May in return for him.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago

That wouldn’t piss me off. Like I said, if we’re going to move him, we must get value coming back. Otherwise keep him. As of 05.02.2024, he’s our best baseball player.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
15 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He’s the perfect type of player to take advantage of his hot first half. 27 isn’t that young the way the angels are promoting players. Trade him for a defensive 2nd base prospect and pitcher/reliever.

steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

New DH? His defense is still suspect. As we know, Rengifo giveth, and Rengifo taketh away.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Tell the whole story.

Rengifo plays multiple positions which doesn’t allow one to settle in. Moreover, his quickness (range) allows him to get to more balls than slower players – which will also lead to more errors. Lastly, he has a strong & accurate throwing arm.

steelgolf
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

So his defensive gaffs are a Nevin/ Washington issue for playing him in multiple positions? My son would play 3rd, shortstop, and 2nd in little league, yet he never missed a beat and always knew where the play was if the ball came to him, and where he needed to be depending upon where the ball was hit. That is baseball acumen and strategy. To some, it comes easily, to Rengifo, not so much. Just my opinion. His bat is really coming around nicely.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Yes, Rengifo commits more errors than anyone would like. You know what else he does? His range allows him to get to more balls and he has a nice arm.

He gunned down Merrifield at the plate yesterday. Beautiful play.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
15 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He doesn’t have as great of range as a regular should, but this year he looks to be trying his hardest on more plays than in the past I will agree. His bat seems to be heating up early this year, and that’s something new also. Nobody has ever said the has/had a weak arm though-it’s a cannon for sure. His base running has improved too. Steve Sax played second base for years and he couldn’t field or throw-so maybe this could be Renny’s best year, after all it is his pattern to play well when it doesn’t matter.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago

Fine post GPB, but you couldn’t help yourself at the end.

Define “doesn’t matter” ??? It’s April / May and he’s been our best player. That doesn’t matter?

It’s NOT his fault that the Angel organization has failed to develop/sign more talent.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

You’re having a busy day. I did my best to help ward off the invaders.

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The Crusade against the Heathens continues…

Fansince1971
Legend
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

You know your team sucks when:

Rengifo is the best player on it.

Last edited 16 days ago by Fansince1971
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

You know your team sucks when your GM just signed Kevin Pillar to replace Mike Trout on the active roster.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

These things write themselves…

You know your team sucks when your manager pinch hits a player barely hitting over the Mendoza Line with Cole Tucker and his impressive.584 career OPS

Angelstan
Trusted Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Great stats. I root for him. Although I have noted Rengifo seems to play well when his team is basically already out of it and the challenge of hitting well in a potential playoff chase is over. Call it a coincidence if you want. From the last few years, his upturns largely coincide with all pressure being off for the season and it becoming just do the best you can — we’re not playoff contenders anyway.

BannedInLA
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Apart from July 2023, when was this team in the playoff hunt.

You’re making assumptions based on nothing; frankly. I ain’t mad at ya’ dude but, you’re off base on this one.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
16 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I prefer to take the long view. Rengifo has always been a seriously flawed player who consistently makes poor decisions and can’t be counted on defensively.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  PedroCerrano

So you’re saying Perry should sign him to a 7 year, $245m extension?

PedroCerrano
Super Member
15 days ago

It’s the only sensible alternative isn’t it? Deck chairs…

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
Reply to  PedroCerrano

I’m interested in subscribing to your newsletter. 😄

BannedInLA
Super Member
15 days ago

You’re on a roll today.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
16 days ago

For a brief moment in time, felt in heart while suspended in the air while watching the television I was hoping that in the bottom of the ninth with 2 out, that Clever won the game with a Jack, but alas I only had that thought for a mear moment as it was dashed by Swampy in Leftfield and his putout. Phooey, almost though..

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
16 days ago

Pillar was dropped from a team that we are in a race for being first in the draft of ’25 with, now we will show those Pale Hose, go get Perry I say.

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