LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Now What?

Morning Angels fans. Have some links or whatever.

Angels News

Detmers got engaged. That’s neat.

The copium, if someone needs it, right now is that the Angels lineup may be good next year according to streamer? Riiiiiight. I don’t believe you.

This lineup? Really? Also Rendon won’t play much.

Around Baseball

Giants get Jung Hoo Lee. 6/113M. Who is Arte getting for Christmas?

Seth Lugo to KC. 3/45M. What really? Kansas City?! Also Chris Stratton.

Pirates get Rowdy Tellez. A bounce back deal I bet.

The Red Sox get Cooper Criswell on a 1/1M deal. He was DFA-ed by TB, so yeah.

Rangers will likely not bring back Jordan Montgomery due to financial woes after losing their media deal. I still hate them.

Zack Greinke is still wanting to pitch next year. He was not very good in 2023.

Brewers get new (minority stake) owners! I am jelly.

Endy Rodriguez will have TJS. So many pitchers getting that these days.

Oh and the Dodgers may have a trade done with TB for Randy and Glasnow. I am not staying up to see if it is or not, and I don’t want to think about it or anything else baseball for a week.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes.

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55yearsangelsfan
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7 months ago

We should go full rebuild. Trade anyone with any value that isn’t going to be here in a few years. Drury, Sandoval, et al. Entirely for prospects. We should sign free agents to fill in for those traded, so we at least have a (somewhat) competitive team. Wouldn’t mind Snell at all, but cheaper flyers would be more appropriate. If they work out, trade them near the deadline for more prospects.

The biggest problem is that even if we basically tank, if we’re picking top 5 and the dodgers are picking bottom 5, they’re still going to end up ahead, because they have a f**king clue. Our best hope remains that Arte either sells, or somehow has an epiphany about the importance of scouting and development. A lobotomy might be more effective.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago

I couldn’t help but laugh a little when I read about Ohtani’s interesting opt-out clause.

If the management leaves, he can opt-out.

He has been so traumatized by playing for us, that he set himself up with an opt-out if he ever is in danger of getting stuck with bad management again!

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

That is a good move. Your take is how I took it.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Yes, it’s the “Arte Clause”

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 months ago

I know that Perry has been at the mercy of Artie, but would you hire him? During his 3 year tenure the team has finished progressively worse with 77, 73, 73 wins. The farm system, which was a disaster when he arrived is no better than it was and possibly worse. His 3 years of drafting has produced very little. The major league team has a handful of young players who may turn out to be decent but we don’t know yet except for O’Hoppe, who came from another organization. The major league team is not demonstrably better than when he got here. I know some of you didn’t like Dipoto quitting the way he did, but if I were Perry, there is no way I would have participated in not trading Ohtani last season. He might be a nice guy but I would have no confidence that he could do what I was hiring him for. He came from Atlanta, which is a good organization, but in the time he has been here I have not seen him implement any sort of system that made us look more like Atlanta. It is a bit of an enigma. Artie owned the team when it was competitive for the 1st 7 years. It’s been fairly ugly since 2009 though with just 4 winning seasons out of 14 and none since 2015. Just wondering?

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I wouldn’t Hire Perry, Billy and certainly not the JeDi.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I’m not convinced that it would be easy to hire someone better than Perry. You always have to weigh that in.
I know there has been lots of debate for 3 years about Perry, and I don’t mean to start that now, there is too much to cover. But I definitely like what he has done more than his predecessors, and he has shown me some competence that is encouraging. I would really like to see what he would do for a different owner, but alas we may never see that.

Last edited 7 months ago by 2GA2Join
Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I’d take Theo. I’m sure the new owners will eventually

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Perry’s roster building has been bad, trades and FA signings…subpar. At his presser in 2021, he spoke about building a franchise with pitching and run prevention. 3-years in…Angels defense and pitching is below average. His drafts overall grade out to a C, maybe lower. Yes…the results, you stated it well. 77,, 73 and 73.

Nah….I wouldn’t hire him. .

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

If Perry’s tenure is bad Eppler was even worsier. And considering what Dipoto did with his drafts and handcuffed us in the international market with the Baldoquin debacle not sure he was much better than Billy

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I have no respect for Perry. If Arte is in fact making all the GM decisions, Perry should have resigned. Jedi did and got a better gig.

If you work for someone (company or person) who is requiring you to take actions that you believe are detrimental to people or mission, you have choices. Perry is not a victim. The fact that Perry has stayed means he is complicit.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago

I think your interpretation of the job is a bit too dramatic. He isn’t choosing between the Rebellion and the Sith. It is just a job. This is the place that gave him the opportunity to have one of 30 positions. He may have accepted the fact that he won’t be able to do things fully the way he wants, but he’ll do the best he can in the circumstances. That doesn’t mean he caved in morally or did something bad.
So I disagree that he clearly should have resigned, or else he has done something awful to lose our respect.

Last edited 7 months ago by 2GA2Join
Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago

“Braves outright David Fletcher”
SportsTalkAtl story

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Are the Braves “screwing” Fletcher?

Good God, he sucks. Move on.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I’ve “Moved on” just showing that he may be on the move again.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Not Our problem anymore.

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
7 months ago

All this rebuild talk. Assuming many think gutting the team and rebuilding thru draft will grant future success. Nothing is guaranteed, how many #1 drafts have been any good the past 10yrs cept Rutschman? Moniak !!? We could have high draft picks the next 5yrs and Dodgers none since they always finish well, and I bet their prospects would still be better. There a chance we could spend years fielding a minor league team with no light at end of tunnel. Ask the A’s, Royals, Pirates about that, and soon to join Nationals and Rockies. A rebuild is now like a roll of dice, hope you can draft well, like more of pick #25 Trout for us. Let’s get some help for Trout who is at least dedicated to us, play our young guys, and hope for prospects and some of our vets to step up. Isn’t that what Orioles and Reds did last year with some success?

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

The Orioles rebuilt leading to last season. The point is that the Angels cannot cure their ills with a few FA signings. If anything that will lead back to a 75 win or so team in the middle of the pack. The point of a tear down and rebuild is that you spend a few years at the bottom strengthen and growing the farm. Then, in a few years, the Org I’d improved and has the depth where adding a few FAs makes the difference. The Angels situation is bleak right now and can’t be fixed in the FA market.

CAoldskoll
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I agree what it takes for rebuild. Guessing you have a lot of faith in the draft building a strong foundation. Angels need to focus on international players. Example is so many good Dominican/Latino players, when was the last time we had a good one?

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

I have very little faith in this Org. But at some point continuing on with the same unsuccessful game plan has to change. Being stuck in the middle in MLB is the worst place to be. It’s the hardest to escape from. Tearing it down and attempting a rebuild is better and more interesting in my opinion than spending $200+ million to win 75 games.

tanana40
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yes, spend money on the farm, player development, and scouting. Then have an organizational philosophy that is taught from day one throughout the entire system.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Agreed just attempting a “teardown and rebuild” without those main ingredients is like having a gold plated toilet without running water. Even though we have a plumber in the system, does anyone really trust this current organization to accomplish this?

At least Perry is attempting to draft and develop real prospects at the big league level unlike his 2 predecessors

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

One of the things that is probably a good move if we are truly “rebuilding” is to go ahead and sign a few expensive short term contracts, with the intention of trading them at the deadline for prospects. I would insist that these can’t be QO signings, or else what is the point.

So I’m not completely averse to us signing a FA. But I wouldn’t give up a draft pick and a huge sum to Snell for multiple years. Predictably, he might tail off during the contract, and our team is probably not going to be competitive until the end of his contract which is when we’d need him to perform well.

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
7 months ago

The rich get richer…

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Mia
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Mia
7 months ago

Shohei: I’d like to talk to you about the Avengers Initiative…

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Is that what Gasso uses at Oklahoma? LOL

FungoAle
Legend
7 months ago

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Dodgers are chokers. Until the get rid of Friedman baseball, things won’t change .

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago

Yep they all promised to buy him lunch in 2035

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago

“David Ortiz believes Ronald Acuna Jr. deserves $500 million contract.”

We all know the dominoes would fall, but wow, so fast!

Last edited 7 months ago by Angelz4ever
Eric_in_Portland
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7 months ago

It’s pretty odd to see Trout as the 2nd oldest guy in the lineup

Mia
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Mia
7 months ago

He debuted my senior year of high school. We’re getting old, Eric. So is he.

Angels2020Champs
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7 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Ours is released tomorrow?

Cowboy26
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7 months ago

Actually it was a week ago but we had no-one worth writing about.

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

Angels article will be a quick read

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Most of our farm talent is at the bigs now, so you’re right.

GrandpaBaseball
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7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

 😄 

Mia
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Mia
7 months ago

Idk if anyone else posted this yet:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-12-11/shohei-ohtani-orange-county-losing-young-people

As someone that “fled” Orange County as soon as she could, i’ve never related to an article or point of view more.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Glad you’re happy with your decision. You couldn’t pay me to raise my family in LA though.

Mia
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Mia
7 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Well now that all depends on what part of LA.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I am up regularly all over the city for work and have been for 15+ years now. Not a single one of those trips have I wished I could live there.

That’s not to say it is bad…just different strokes for different folks. The things I don’t love also got exacerbated during the pandemic and oddly enough brought some friends down south to OC who weren’t keen on starting families in LA and Long Beach with crime and homelessness ticking up (exploding in the case of homelessness).

Mia
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Mia
7 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Yeah that’s perfectly fine. We all look for different things when evaluating where to live.

It was just such a common thing among my generation that we just wanted to get to LA. We saw opportunity. We saw independence and fun schools. The article was a fun play on that.

It’s like growing up in New Jersey itching to move into the city.

OC just never jived with me, happy for those it does, though!

Jeff Joiner
Editor
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7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Interesting line on Jersey/NY.

Growing up in a small town in CA I couldn’t wait to get somewhere cooler. Somewhere exciting. Somewhere I could reinvent myself a bit.

Unless you’re on the coast OC is basically suburbia. I think I can understand your desire to leave.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I grew up in the Inland Empire and my birth city of San Bernardino regularly steps in and out of the top 10 most dangerous cities in the US. LA of course stays permanently in the top 10.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Just recently sold my house in sb and bought up in apple valley. My lifestyle is a complete 180 now that I moved up here. I love it up here.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago

It’s beautiful there, especially by the river.

Congrats on the escape.  😄 

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Ah – I thought “latest young person to leave California ”

Nobody can afford to live here. Maybe find a nice joshua tree to camp under out in the Mow-Jayve?

Mia
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Mia
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Nobody lives in LA, there’s too many people.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

A short and petite rather attractive philosopher once stated repeatedly that, “Nobody walks in LA”

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever
DowningDude
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7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Steve Martin in LA Story said it

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Real LA is the east side. The rest is NY money and transplants.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

LOL, like my Italian grandad called Jurupa, Guhrupah, but perplexing was that he properly pronounced La Jolla………..

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Once upon a time, there was a profession called journalism. I can give 700 hundred million other reasons Shohei left. And yes, a better-run organization is one of them. I guess if we want to follow the trends of Southern California – Shohei should have moved to Texas.

Last edited 7 months ago by HalosFanForLife
Angels2020Champs
Legend
7 months ago

Past OC resident and OC ‘journalism’ job person now residing in LA and employed by LA content outlet saying bad things about former place of residence/employment? Stay tuned tonight at 6pm when it’s released that water is wet *to the things it touches
/s

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steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago

Correct. I would take anything written by Gustavo Arellano with quite a few grains of salt.

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

You mean former OC Reader journalist Gustavo Arellano?

tanana40
Super Member
7 months ago

I can’t stop watching this. This is the north entrance to Yellowstone National Park near Gardiner, Montana. That is the Teddy Roosevelt arch down the road.

Designerguy
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Was at that spot two years ago and a snowstorm shut down the park. Ended up taking a 180 mile detour to get back to our hotel in West Yellowstone.

Mia
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Mia
7 months ago

It’s just a silly little column. Didn’t expect everyone to take it so seriously lol.

Angels2020Champs
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7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Thought it was a fun read, thanks for sharing!!

DowningDude
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7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Oh apologies. I made my comment just based on the link title. Dont have access to the article as I’m not a subscriber.

Mia
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Mia
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

You’re fine, your comment was humorous.

Simba
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Oddly, I could read it, as long as no ad blocker enabled. They must’ve changed their paywall policy to a limited number of reads.

FIREBIRD81
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

You had no way of knowing that the writer has a long history of hating our team, our home and everything about us. He’s very despised in OC. He did however have a gift for finding the good food spots in OC.

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I lived in Long Beach during the 80s, to Chino, then Riverside, then Westside LA in the 90s, then back to OC. I have worked all over LA and the valley, but do not feel any desire to move there.

clover_black
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

gustavo is a troll with a massive inferiority complex.

FungoAle
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Young people feeling O.C. to LA for some excitement, comical. Have fun with that and watch your back.

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

It’s comical. I’m an Angeleno (Eagle Rock, Pasadena & City) for roughly 40 years. Moved to Laguna Niguel 5 years ago, There is no comparison. People presume the OC is close minded or “not diverse”? BS. The most close minded places I’m aware of are LA, SF, NYC, etc.

Last edited 7 months ago by BannedInLA
Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I have worked in Orange County now for almost two years and I am shocked by how conservative the county has become. No political viewpoint being shared, just shocked at the change.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Home of John Birch Society and you’re shocked? 😉

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

The Bircher’s got far more right than wrong.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

When I met Ronald Reagan years ago he told me that Orange County is where “old republicans go to die” not sure it’s changed all that much over the years

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Lulz. There is less diversity of thought in LA than OC. Voting percentage prove this.

PS – I’m from LA. It’s an ideological shit hole.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Thats funny. Oh wait You mean the author wasn’t trying to write satire?

Jeff Joiner
Editor
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7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

When you’re young you chase different things than when you’ve matured and settled down a bit.

I loved living in downtown Sacramento and walking to bars and clubs when I was in my 20s. I’d have loved a lot of urban centers.

I love having a safe, quiet neighborhood now that I have a wife and kid.

The fact OC has become too expensive for young families is troubling, though. The Ocean View School District near me is looking at closing schools or the entire district.

At no point in my life could anybody have paid me enough to live in LA, though. And that gets more and more true each day.

Angels2020Champs
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7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

The school closures are absurd!! Finally classroom levels are at a more manageable level for teachers/students and all the ‘temporary’ trailers to house more classes are not needed (at this time)… so lets close down schools? For what, more high density residential with big corps like ‘bucks and subway on the first level? Finally something more pathetic to talk about than our Angels 😉

Marcotor
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Gustavo writes good stuff, loved his writing at OC Weekly.

FIREBIRD81
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Gustavo Arellano literally hates everything Orange County. He has always had a huge racial chip on his shoulder. He has never been an Angels fan. Someone might want to tell him that Ohtani actually still lives in Newport Beach.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  FIREBIRD81

Show us on the doll where Gustavo hurt you.

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  FIREBIRD81

He’s a leftist shit bag.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago

Now the Dodgers have signed Hudson too!
It is so unfair.

 😄 

DowningDude
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7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Tim Hudson? Henry Hudson? Hudson Hawk? Moscow on the Hudson?

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

The Hudson Brothers. Its a package deal.

Last edited 7 months ago by Cowboy26
DowningDude
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Jennifer Hudson

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

With their sexual deviant pitchers, the Dodgers might be after “The Smothers Brothers” next

Simba
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Now if it were the Hanson brothers, that would be a gritty add.

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red floyd
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

No thanks. We’re trying to cut down!

LAAFan
Trusted Member
7 months ago

I would love a rebuild year, maybe sign a few 1 year free agent deals. This team needs to find out how Neto, O’Hoppe, Detmers, etc. develop. If they do, great, add some players on top. If they don’t, flip the rentals and start working on the long awaited full tear down.

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  LAAFan

Thank you, there is someone out here that thinks like I do. No long term contracts for FAs, sign some veterans on a short contract and flip at the deadline. Signing a guy like Hader or Snell would be malpractice.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago

I keep checking here and there every 15 minutes because I expect Arte to order some crazy knee jerk reaction signing

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago

The way that Arte rolls with his clandestine moves means that it’s really not a good thing right now that we’ve heard diddly squat since the Ohtani announcement.

RexFregosi
Super Member
7 months ago

same but im expecting a slew of 2nd place ‘just missed’ notices on Snell, Montgomery, etc.

FungoAle
Legend
7 months ago

It’s going to take an overpay for a Top 25 FA to come to Anaheim. The forecast of the team is not great. Better to snipe at the 3rd tier FAs.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago

Another explanation on the contract from ESPN:

Because of the structure of Ohtani’s deal, his agent, Nez Balelo, can claim that he is the first to negotiate an MLB deal that starts with the number 5 — and 6, and yes, 7, for $700 million.
“The Dodgers got the player, and the agent hit his numbers,” said another club executive, noting dryly that it probably wasn’t a coincidence through all of the math, the size and rate of the deferrals, landed on exactly $700 million — a number that was first announced by the agent Saturday and remained unacknowledged by the Dodgers for two days, before the nuance of the accounting invaded this alternate reality. “That’s what this was about,” the executive said.

On Monday, the number that actually matters was invoked — the present-day value of Ohtani’s contract, as assessed within the calculus of the CBA rules, is a little less than two-thirds of $700 million, or about $461 million. This is the number — the CBT number, as it is commonly referred to by front office types and agents — that is used within baseball’s accounting. According to researcher Sarah Langs of MLB.com, these are the top 10 contracts, in total CBT value, in MLB history:

1, Ohtani $460,814,765
2, Mike Trout $426,500,000
3, Aaron Judge $360,000,000
4, Manny Machado $350,000,000
5, Francisco Lindor $341,000,000
6, Fernando Tatis $340,000,000
7, Bryce Harper $330,000,000
T8, Giancarlo Stanton $325,000,000
T8, Corey Seager $325,000,000
10, Gerrit Cole $324,000,000

Because of the tidal wave of erroneous reporting in the Ohtani negotiation — from last Friday’s tracking of a flight that wasn’t carrying Ohtani to the reports that he was headed to the Blue Jays — on top of the usual winter market disinformation, there is a lot of industry skepticism about some of the reports attached to his deal.

For example: The notion that Ohtani deferred salary to give the Dodgers’ financial flexibility. Ohtani will be making $2 million annually in the 10 years of his contract, and as the theory goes, this will give the Dodgers more money to spend on, say, starting pitching. But the math is more daunting than that for the Dodgers, in the luxury tax accounting, because the team will be assessed the average annual value of Ohtani’s contract, way more than $2 million.

Ohtani’s CBT number — based on the present value of the contract, using current national interest rates — is still the highest for any player in the sport, and almost 20% of the room under the 2024 tax threshold of $237 million.

“It’s still a CBT hit of $46.1 million,” one agent said. “If he had done a deal without deferrals — say, 10 years, $550 million, straight up — then his CBT number would have been $55 million. The difference of what, one relief pitcher? One Joe Kelly? It’s not like the deferred money gives the Dodgers a lot of flexibility to deal with the luxury tax.”

All of which, again, begs the question of the point of making this all so complicated.

Back in August, when the Angels announced that Ohtani had suffered an arm injury, one agent acknowledged that the bidding for the two-way star would be affected because of the uncertainty about when he would pitch again, and offered an educated guess about where the winning contract number would fall.

“You start with the Judge contract, right?” said the agent, saying that Ohtani’s offensive production would be valued in the range of Aaron Judge’s $360 million deal with the Yankees. “Then on the pitching side of it… you factor in the risk for someone coming off a second major elbow injury, his potential if he’s healthy.”

The agent paused. “You give him another $100 million — $460 million.”

Which is precisely where the Dodgers’ bid landed, after being washed through baseball’s accounting — about $460 million. Not $500 million. Not $600 million. Not close to $700 million.

Still the biggest contract in baseball history.

Pineapple12
Super Member
7 months ago

I appreciate this, SJB! I still don’t understand how it comes out to a $460 million valuation? He’s still getting all $700 before taxes and agent fees right?

$46 mill/year for Ohtani is fair market value and probably a steal if he continues as a top hitter and pitches in some capacity.

smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

460M is the net present value of 700M, with the years factored into the calculation.

Pineapple12
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Got it. It’s still $700 million but $460 when adjusted for future value.

What a steal for the Dodgers lmaooo

smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Even if that deal was “offered” to the Angels, I’m glad Shohei still went somewhere else. The team really needs to start anew. Adding a new contract that will severely hamper the next immediate years will just put the Angels in a vicious cycle of a lot of money tied up to a couple of players only. We finally finished with Pujols, we don’t need to replace it so soon.

Pineapple12
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Perry can only restrict the Arte revenge free agent contract for so long.

Bellinger 7-year 250 million lfg Arte

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Man, I reeeeaaaallllyyy hope the Angels don’t grossly overpay on Bellinger.

FungoAle
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Hope the Cubs or Dodgers sign Bellinger. Dude is a con.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

So what they are saying is I’ll pay you $68 million dollars in 10 years instead of paying you $44 million today ? So its kind of like this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68eue5cpbsE

red floyd
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

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Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago

Cheap ass Arte

Pineapple12
Super Member
7 months ago

Dodgers pitched Yamamoto with Ohtani Betts and Freeman in the room lmao.

Waiting for the 10 year, $500 million contract with $499 million in deferred money.

Angels / Dodgers 2024 WS will be one for the ages.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Angels watching Dodgers in the WS?

Pineapple12
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Rengifo’s GS in the top of the 9th will secure the WS win and send shock waves reverberating from SoCal all the way to Japan.

King Luis will be crowned the face of baseball next October.

Last edited 7 months ago by Pineapple12
Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

And you are the King of Spain!

WallyChuckChili
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7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

The Plumber will knock off jeter as Mr November!

Pineapple12
Super Member
7 months ago

Lets not be silly. MVRengifo is actually good lol.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago

From MLBTR: “The Braves announced Wednesday that infielder David Fletcher, who they acquired from the Angels last week, has cleared waivers and been assigned outright to Triple-A Gwinnett. The move amounts to a formality, as Atlanta was surely aware that another team wouldn’t claim Fletcher and the $15MM still guaranteed to him on his current contract. The Angels outrighted Fletcher twice during the 2023 season. At 4.168 years of MLB service time, he’s four days shy of being able to reject an outright assignment while still remaining the entirety of that sum”

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

We should have claimed him😀

……have him clears waivers with us, keep him AAAA SL and bring him up once in a while to make GPB happy.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

we got rid of him for $ reasons (and him being a diva), why would we claim him to pay him

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

The Chasm of Sar has officially been reopened my friend.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I assume When you say “bring him up once in a while” you mean less than 4 days total ? because that contract is really no bueno after one more 4 game series

GrandpaBaseball
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7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

 😃 

FungoAle
Legend
7 months ago

Oooof! Maybe a Gwinnett pit stop will help fix that horrible swing.

Jeff Joiner
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7 months ago

That lineup is the epitome of meh. I’d rather slash and burn and rebuild than roll that out there.

And anybody who thinks Rendon is going to play more than a few weeks in any season is delusional. In fact, I have serious doubts if he finishes the year as an Angel. Arte has eaten a lot of bad contract.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Yeah unless there is some transformative trade being swung I just don’t see the point of this and I’d be shocked to see Arte spend money on a team that you can’t even pretend is good in our division.

The Trout not being dealt proclamation was pre-Ohtani and likely aimed at Ohtani himself. Now that he’s gone, you have to listen if someone offers something. I still think the Giants look like a prime target in desperate need of a face and something to sell their fans.

Highly skeptical Arte would deal Trout right after losing Ohtani though unless Trout specifically asked for it.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

God that would be horrible Trout to the Giants. My all time favorite player, to my all time least favorite team not just in baseball, but in all of sports worldwide. Can’t happen, I would put my foot down if that ever happens.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

As bad as it may seem right now compare the current projected 2024 lineup to the Angels primary Line up in 2017. It actually gives me a small sliver of hope.

https://twitter.com/BeyondTheHalo/status/1734982175169335531

Last edited 7 months ago by Cowboy26
smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That’s why I’ve said we’ve had worse. Is it the best lineup? Of course not. But I don’t think anyone is also saying this lineup is a world beater.

You mentioned 2017, so here goes.

O’Hoppe >>>> Maldy
Schanuel > Cron
Drury/Rengifo >>> Espinosa
Ward > Calhoun
Moniak >> Maybin

I could argue that Rendon is also > Escobar, but I know anything good about Rendon isn’t too popular right now.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

2024 Trout= 2017 Trout ?????

smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

LOL, I know, low-hanging fruit.

I do hope it’s 2024 Trout = 2017 Trout.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The floor has been set. Now slowly stack to reach the ceiling. Steady as she goes

Eric_in_Portland
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

oh yeah, 2017. When Parker Bridwell was our ace

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago

Pitching
Pitching
Pitching

FungoAle
Legend
7 months ago

We had Dream Weaver!

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Happy for you. Hope is a good thing. Grab your Gene Autry bobble head and rub it three times. Never give up, never give up.

HaloLew
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

My gut says they’ll give Rendon one last shot this year. If he continues to be an enigma, they’ll cut him loose and eat the contract before the end of the season. He isn’t part of a public or behind-the-scenes rebuild so there’s no point in continuing the masquerade.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  HaloLew

They didn’t hire Bo Porter for nuthin

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Not only that but Rendon has this “I don’t care” attitude. Not the kind of guy you want influencing your younger players. The sooner they can ditch Rendon, the better.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

This year is a wash already and it would take a lot to go right for this team to move into the postseason. It’s really about looking hard at the core and seeing who will be able to step in and support the team when the window opens again. It’s all about not getting our money tied up again and focusing on 2025 free agency.

Guys here is a list of 2025:
Position players: Soto, Goldy, Bregman (I know), Rizzo, Ozuna, Alonso, Santander, Verdugo
Pitchers: Scherzer, Cole (opt out), Sale, Wheeler, Ray, Glasnow, Hendricks, Fried, Burnes, Bieber

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

As built and as it stands today, this looks like a 65 win team to me.

So they would conceivably have to add 25 Wins. Where are those going to come from?

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

No more than 65 wins? I’ll take some of that action.

Jeff Joiner
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Me too. I’ll say we can match the 72 wins from last year.

smithy610
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7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’ll be more optimistic and say 80, barely reaching .500 but much closer to it than the last 5 years.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

So it’s a mixed bag. Some guys have potential to get better and others might get worse. Here’s what it looks like for OPS+ and WAR from last year. Almost everyone was hurt for sometime and others did not play all the time. The first 4 guys are fairly predictable and Trout and Ward have potential to be better. Rendon is a mess, and other than O’Hoppe, the other 3 are anyone’s guess. The current bench other than Thaiss are all minor leaguers. The last 5 guys are going to have to play to find out what you have and that doesn’t include Adell. If they sat Rendon then Adell could play and or hit everyday.

Rengifo 111 1.9
Trout 130 2.9
Drury 114 1.9
Ward 105 1.7
Rendon 88 .1
Moniak 113 2.2
O’Hoppe 111 .6
Schanuel 103 .1
Neto 86 1.6

smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago

We’re now getting the details more on other teams’ bids for Ohtani:

John Shea

@JohnSheaHey

Farhan Zaidi on Shohei Ohtani: Proposal from Ohtani to Giants was exact deal he wound up getting with LA. “We said we were agreeable to it…. It was going to come down to a choice by the player at that point.”

Andrew Baggarly

@extrabaggs

Zaidi on commitment from Giants ownership on Ohtani: “Every financial target or request that was made was met and was met pretty quickly.” Preference for SoCal won out, Zaidi contends.

And this is pretty funny! Gosh the entitlement of those New Yorkers, huh?!

After all, Steve Cohen, the richest owner in MLB, owns the team and has not been shy about spending big money on free agents during his short tenure. Apparently, that did not matter in Ohtani’s case.

“The agent [Nez Balelo of CAA] never reached out to me personally,” Cohen told The Athletic, “and I think that’s pretty telling.”

https://sny.tv/articles/shohei-ohtani-agent-never-reached-out-to-mets-owner-steve-cohen

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

That proves to me that both NY teams were not even considered AND Sho was never going to go to the highest bidder. That explains why both NY teams have moved on early in the process. It is of note that even though the Blue Jays were in the east coast, they were still one of the final 4 teams. Toronto has always been nice to NPB players, including Yusei Kikuchi.

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Were the Yankees upsetting to Hideki Matsui, Kurdoda or Tanaka?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Those are exact people that MFYankees are bringing in to convince Yamamoto. Shohei is a unicorn who just does not like NY vibes.

It is fortunate that Irabu has passed away. RIP, Irabu.

Last edited 7 months ago by Kiyotchan
Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

The fat toad is no more ?

Charles Sutton
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Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Another suicide. If anybody is getting triggered by this thread, the OC hotline number is 988.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

He definitely had a tumultuous life. He also hated media, and was thought to be hated by his fellow players. He actually opened Japanese noodle shop in California in 2005, and did well at first but probably expanded too fast and got into financial problem. It is unfortunate that he did not have close friends.

RIP, Hideki Irabu.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

You know I cant let this one get by. Hey Twebs help me out here with a Jerome Brown sound byte….

Marcotor
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I miss Jim Healy…

2GA2Join
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7 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Say what!

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

saywhat.wav – “Say what!?!”

2GA2Join
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7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Okay!

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

okay.wav – Classic: “Okay.” 

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

laughs.wav -3 Classic Laughs

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Yeah I did

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Vin had an opinion about the Shohei signing.

believe.wav – Vin Scully saying “I can’t believe it!”

Twebur
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

jap.wav – Jerome Brown at the pre-bowl banquet: “Did the Japanese, go and sit down and have dinner with Pearl Harbor, before they bombed them?”

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Credit to Ohtani from not taking a deal from the Team of Barroids. Who would want to tarnish their legacy connected to that stench.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

At least Ohtani and his team stayed away from Mr. Insider Trading and Financial Fraud.

Although I’d have much rather seen him as a Met.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m curious what the blue Jays were told. There was a cute story by The Athletic about the Friday;’s misreporting of the Shark tank dude’s private jet and how it influenced the town of Toronto. You really feel sorry for them after that fire drill.

https://theathletic.com/5130131/2023/12/12/ohtani-plane-toronto/

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

And they still don’t realize that they were “buttercupped “.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago

Who would have thought Criswell would make $1M less than Ohtani in 2024….

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago

🤣

FungoAle
Legend
7 months ago

Kudos to Cooper in getting a contract, period.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

In all fairness, the doyers placed Shohei on the board at Burisma….they will pay some of the deferred salary this year through a maze of corporations. 

….and the doyers will wear this advertising patch (Бурісма Холдингс) on their uniforms next year.

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

😆

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

And the media will lie & obfuscate to bury the truth. Yay.

Joking aside, I’ll be happy if/when the Angels do anything of significance just so we can move the conversation from Ohtani’s contract to ANYTHING else.

Hell, I’d rather discuss Rengifo vs. AAA phenom David Fletcher again.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

There will be an adjustment period early next year….lots of new faces, a lot of the old villains are gone, we will need to isolate the new focus of our ire.…but we will always have Arte to kick around. And of course no Shohei to buffer the fact that this organization is a complete failure and one of the worst in sports…..but I look forward to the next go round😀 see you next year!

trAdition!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago

That’s 60 win lineup……

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago

Assuming that’s our final lineup heading into opening day, I still wouldn’t assume 60 wins without knowing how our pitching staff shakes out.