LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Abandoned

Joe Kelly is now officially a Dodger again. The Dodgers traded Victor Gonzalez and Jorbit Vivas to the Yankees in order to clear space on their 40 man roster for Kelly and Shohei Ohtani. The Royals designated right-hander Collin Snyder for assignment to make room for Will Smith.

The Angels couldn’t take down Shohei’s mural fast enough. Ohtani is gone. So now what? News Flash: The Angels need to get better in all aspects.

Oh yeah. Some guys got minor league deals.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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MarineLayer
Super Member
4 months ago

When I look at the contract what sticks out is the 10 years. If it actually cost the Doyers $46 million a year for the back half of it, it wouldn’t look so great. But at $2 million a year, there’s no way the Doyers don’t benefit.

FIREBIRD81
Member
4 months ago

I won’t begrudge Ohtani for going to the Dodgers. I do think his contract structure is bad for baseball as a whole, tho. They are absolutely exploiting a loophole in the CBA. Every time I see some sports journo claiming that they aren’t because they’re paying on $46 million a year I want to hit someone. They should be paying based on $70 million. Period. I understand how the math works, but it doesn’t make what they did right. And I’m going to flat out say it. I hope they fail. I hope they get ZERO WS titles with him on their roster. I wish him all the best, I really do. But I don’t want to see this kind of nonsense succeed.

Robert Spencer
Newbie
4 months ago

Just for reference, I am the poster formerly known (since 2005) as rspencer. One day recently, I found myself completely shut out of this place, despite my being a Patreon contributor. Well, that’s just how life has been going for me for a while. . .

Angelz4ever
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Robert Spencer

Despite my best efforts, you made it back. Time to redouble my efforts.

WB

BannedInLA
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Robert Spencer

My guess is that some algorithm or filter confused you with some other Robert Spencer, a “controversial” political person.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
4 months ago

D.J. Snelten now an Halo!

Woo-hoo!

Somebody pull up his 2018 MLB stats!

Mia
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Mia
4 months ago

I’m really disheartened to see how many Angel fans have turned into whiny little bitches in the last 48 hours.

The man gave us 6 years of incredible baseball, we did nothing with it. He held up his end with nary a complaint. All the Angels showed him was that they wouldn’t help him achieve his goals. Mike Trout sold him on their future together in Dec 2017, all Ohtani saw was Trout decline.

He’s allowed to move on.

The people burning his jerseys, calling him a traitor or talking about how they hate him now is just wild.

We know this team better than most, how many of us can say we’d have returned to Anaheim in his shoes?

r/baseball and r/angelsbaseball have been hard to read.

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JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Yeah, the jersey burning is pretty wild. I don’t blame him for leaving and I appreciate what he did while he was here. My hate lies with Arte. If he sells the team like he says he was gonna do after last season, there’s a good chance Ohtani would have stayed. Not only did he not sell the team but he didn’t trade him either because he wanted to milk him for every last dime. The Angels will never be a successful organization again until Arte sells the team. Period.

Mia
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Mia
4 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

That’s all well and good, we have legitimate beef with Moreno.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Are you sure you dont mean Beef-a-Reeno ?

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c5e819a5-cba3-4350-9862-cf4205b325fd

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

It gave Rusty the wind something fierce

Fansince1971
Legend
4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

3 amazing seasons for sure I think it’s hard to see him give the across town rivals that deal. Not his fault per se but definitely understand the ire.

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Marcotor
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

I’m curious Jake if you’re old enough to have been around for some truly crappy Angel teams outside of this ten year run.

I ask because when kindly old “beloved Cowboy” Gene Autry was fielding awful teams, and later hiring the likes of Buzzie “Two 8-7 pitchers” Bavasi, I never heard on talk radio, read in the paper, or saw one sign in Anaheim that called for the kindly, old “beloved Cowboy” to sell the team because he completely sucked as an owner.

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I’ve been following the Angels since the mid 80’s so I’ve been through some of the tough stretches as a fan. I was pissed when the Angels didn’t retain Wally Joyner and lost him to free agency in 1991 and then trading Bichette for Dave Parker was pretty stupid. There were probably other moves I’m not thinking of at the moment. But for the most part the teams they fielded throughout the 80’s and 90’s were competitive despite only making the postseason a couple of times. Of course back then we didn’t have multiple playoff spots and there was only 2 divisions until ’94.

But no, I never called for Autry to sell the team but did Autry meddle like Arte does? Did Gene field losing team 7 years in a row with the 2 best baseball players in the world? Even tho Gene never got to see his beloved Angels win the world series, he was a better owner than Arte currently is.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

Ok, thanks for that. It’s something I have been wondering about since the incessant Arte Must Sell chants started. I won’t mind when that day happens but for me *and only me* to read it over and over and over and over just becomes… fatiguing.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Agreed. It sucks he went to the Dodgers and structured his deal to be so team friendly for them.

But there’s no evidence whatsoever he wouldn’t have done the same for us if we were a top flight organization instead of a dumpster fire.

Even if they didn’t do the blatant tax dodge and needed to rely on some prospects, at least the Dodgers have some.

The ire should be directed at Arte. He was given a gift and did nothing with it. He drove that gift away.

Mia
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Mia
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Live look in to me directing my ire at Arte:

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Marcotor
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4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I’ve been a bit shocked actually, at some of the vitriol directed at Ohtani. Just awful, hateful stuff thrown out by people who act like he just murdered someone. I love the Angels, and baseball in general, but to call someone a flat-out liar, hope he gets an injury, or for his organization to bankrupt itself, throwing hundreds of non-baseball employees out of jobs like it’s funny – over a stinkin’ BASEBALL PLAYER – is just lame.

It sure isn’t not how a “real Angel fan” would react, in spite of what they claim.

Lots of Anger for Arte, and that is deserved.

Mia
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Mia
4 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

It reminds me how many people on the internet are literal children, or only a few years removed.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

You have to accept a little vitriol given the situation.

Angels2020Champs
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

What?! How *dare* you allow others to share their opinions (positive or negative) on a dedicated forum designed just for that (if it wasn’t too obvious) /s

This site isn’t r/baseball or r/angelsbaseball. Far from it. If something makes someone feel a certain way, don’t read it or 4 agreements don’t take things personally. Or Deion Sanders “I took that personally”. Doesn’t matter to me, I’m here for it anyway 🍿

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BannedInLA
Super Member
4 months ago

Your words are violence and you must be silenced, de-banked and fired from your job because someone claims to he “offended”.

2GA2Join
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Yeah, I think just remembering he gave us his all and honorably served his contract without causing problems is key. His contract ended, and he is perfectly within his right to find the best place for him to go next. He didn’t grow up with all the context of any rivalry with the Dodgers, so he probably doesn’t even recognize how much more certain people are triggered by that.
The one thing I said earlier is that it would be frustrating if he didn’t have a quiet chat with Perry pre-deadline *if* he already knew he wasn’t coming back… but of course we have no idea.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Well let’s not rewrite history here Mia.. It was actually 3 incredible years , One good year for a rookie,, One ok year just as a DH and one all around crappy year.

I don’t begrudge Ohtani for signing with the Doyers. it would have been nice if he had leveled with the Angels along the way. Maybe he did when he cleaned out his locker in mid September and Perry met with him. Then again maybe he just allowed us to help him run the price up . But to imply that the Angels didnt go above and beyond even at times at the detriment of the team is absurd.

The Angel time and time again let him practice when and where he wanted , modified team schedules to accommodate him, Modified line ups and pitching rotations and days of rest when he was tired or just had a new ouchie but for the most part, blazed new ground for him to accomplish whatever he wanted to do. In many ways our lack of meaningful battles these last 6 years helped Shohei showcase and achieve some of those goals he had set when he was a kid. You can even argue that the Angels were also responsible for helping him achieve that record deal but it wasn’t like they too didnt benefit from 6 years of cost controlled and league minimum salaries .

Naw, I dont begrudge Ohtani one bit. But I’m also happy that this circus sideshow is finally over . Now we can finally get back to actually trying to win games as team playing team baseball. Now if we could only do something about our Shiny toy obsessed owner maybe we could even win more than just 75 games a year.

Ironically, it would bode Arte well to listen to one of his predecessors, Jackie Autry. Who declared 30+ years ago that Gene would go broke and could no longer afford to just go out and sign pricey free agents as the only way they could continue to build a competitive team would be to invest in their scouting and player development . And we all know how that turned out.

FIREBIRD81
Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

This right here. This organization bent over backwards for him, even pushing Mike Trout to the backburner. They deserve credit for that.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  FIREBIRD81

Mike kind of pushed himself to the backburner

BannedInLA
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  FIREBIRD81

In typically unfortunate Angels fashion, Trout was good the first three years while Ohtani wasn’t and Trout was injured the last three whilst Ohtani was brilliant.

Sigh.

smithy610
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

It’s really fascinating how the first 3 years of Shohei’s mediocrity gets rewritten in this 6 years of greatness with nothing to show for it.

A lot of people on here make fun of Trout and put him down because of his injury-riddled 2021-2023 – the man who wanted to be an Angel for life and chose to stay here – while conveniently (?) or accidentally (?) forgetting Shohei was essentially the same when he got here. Where was all this “Shohei couldn’t help Trout achieve postseason greatness because he’s always injured” when Trout was at his peak:

2018 – stopped pitching in June, tried to get PRP injections in hopes to avoid TJ surgery. Tried to pitch in September, but no go. Shut down finally to give in to TJS

2019 – missed the entire April as he recovered from TJS. Started the season in May 7. In September, his season ended early again because he needed knee surgery.

2020 – Can’t pitch. Can’t hit. Benched for Jared Walsh in September.

Yeah, it sucks that Trout couldn’t finish one healthy season with Ohtani at his peak. But all this revisionist history of Saint Ohtani as if he alone was the reason for his unicorn play for SIX years and no one was able to help poor Ohtani along the way is also getting kind of ridiculous.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

People that do that are desperate for 5 min of social media fame, it’s pretty sad.

Simba
Trusted Member
4 months ago

Kinda pathetic how fast they took down his mural.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Simba

Legally, I suspect they had to do it or be accused of improperly using his likeness. That’s just the way it goes.

Simba
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

That’s an interesting thought, but don’t most franchises have hall of fames where they honor past greats? Do they need to get signed approval to include their likenesses and memorabilia? Do the Angels have to stop selling Ohtani jerseys? I would think most player contracts include rights for franchises to a player’s likeness at some level – certainly they/MLB have the rights to the videos of the games in which they play.

Mia
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Mia
4 months ago
Reply to  Simba

When I gave my notice at my last job they disabled my login before I returned to my office.

Just the nature of corporate work places.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

Happened to me too. In fact, they never got my exit interview, my email access was revoked 3 hours before the end of my day.

Mia
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Mia
4 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Yep, once they know you’re not part of their future plans it’s immediately time to move on. Same with Shohei here

Best not leave you with access to sensitive stuff with one foot out the door.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

They should’ve put it in a truck and shipped it to Shohei as a keepsake…no?

Mia
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Mia
4 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Why give it to Shohei when he might be able to make money off it later?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Why?

Ohtani chose to leave.

There’s no employer that would send marketing material that included the employee – to the employee if they resigned.

Baseball is a corporate business. Why is anyone shocked when baseball actually does business things?

Ohtani left. The franchise posted a nice message thanking him for his contributions. That’s as good as it gets. Ohtani moved on. The Angels moved on. It’s time everyone else does too.

red floyd
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4 months ago
Reply to  Mia

When I got laid off over lunch a year ago, my access was pulled within 5 minutes.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Simba

I quit my job at the post office, but they didn’t take down my picture on the lobby bulletin board.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Respectfully, the post office’s inefficiency/error shouldn’t serve as the model for how businesses should operate

red floyd
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4 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

How much is the reward?

Cowboy26
Legend
4 months ago

Amazing. Today we had another day with absolutely no Angels news and yet, we have already topped yesterday’s comment total.

Just wait until Perry actually does something.

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If they do anything at all.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

D.J. Snelten

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Exactly

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Perry signed a few reclamation projects, he likely needs a nap to recover from the hard work.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
4 months ago

I really wanted Jung Hoo Lee and glad the Giants got him. We’ll see, but I think his high contact approach from the left side will lead to a lot of doubles in that park and on the road in the NL West.

It probably takes him a season to get used to the velo here. But overall, they got better offensively and defensively today.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
4 months ago

I wonder if the Giants would attempt to panic trade for Trout since this is like 4 offseasons in a row they’re failing to bring in impact and star power.

I also wonder if Trout would even accept to go there.

JackFrost
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I guess you haven’t heard the news : the Angels are not trading Trout.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Said who?

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 😄 

red floyd
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4 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

PTP

red floyd
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4 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

And I believe the proper meme is, “Source?”

HalosFanForLife
Trusted Member
4 months ago

With my keen scouting eye I found a guy that’s available. There’s been quite a lot of optimism about his potential. Translated his post means: Challenges are changes that open doors to new opportunities.

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clover_black
Super Member
4 months ago

i cant believe that guy is younger than trout

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago

The sim has Patrick Sandoval plus Luis Rengifo as 51 points with Corbin Burnes plus Garrett Mitchell at 49.

A rotation of Snell, Burnes, Detmers, Anderson, Canning with Silseth and Davis in AAA.

An outfield of Ward, Mitchell, Trout from left to right with Moniak as the 4th.

We’d need two infield pieces. One to play when Rendon is hurt and another utility type. I’m over budget already but Whit Merrifield fits perfectly or bring back Urshela.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

They apparently liked Tim Anderson too

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

I could see Anderson getting a one year comeback deal and we desperately a viable back up shortstop so he would fit that bill. I believe we cant have more than 13 pitchers on the roster so that leaves 13 position players . With a rotating DH with those 4 outfielders that would leave Thaiss, Adell & Anderson on the bench so another utility player would be well warranted ( The Plumber or LeBlanc? or possibly the Mous for Pinch hitting and leadership? ) That leaves no mo money for the bullpen and I would still like to see some upgrades there. since right now we are looking at Estevez, Joyce, Garcia, Soriano, Cimber, Kolarek & 2 stiffs with Options (Bachman?-if hes not at the Lake, Herget & Wantz) Maybe there’s someway We can bring back Matt Moore ?

BannedInLA
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’m predicting that Arte is going to spend MORE, not less, in attempt to Win Now, say F-U Elon Musk style to the doyers & mlb writ large.

We’ll soon find out.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

What’s funny is we’re debating which way Arte goes insane. The thought of a logical 2-3 year rebuild never enters the equation.

2GA2Join
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Until we actually see what Perry does, I’m still not completely sure what they are going to do.

It is theoretically possible that all the “compete now” rhetoric was only when Ohtani was part of the picture. Perhaps it is now a complete tear-down. Yes, I know that doesn’t fit Arte’s MO.

VictoriousVIC
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I have no doubt in my mind Arte is absolutely livid his cash cow in Ohtani is now gone to what has to be his absolute worst nightmare. Arte never approves a full on rebuild, and I definitely do not see him doing it now with all the attention going to his hated team up the 5.

With this in mind, I fully expect Arte to go cynical and spend stupid money at players like Bellinger (marketable star) and one of Snell and Yamamoto. If there is one player I hope he does spend like a drunk sailor on, it’s Yamamoto. However, I doubt Yamamoto would want to go to the team that failed to build a team over 500 in the 6 years Ohtani was on. But if Arte grossly overpays, then we all know money talks. I just hope to god the Rockies come and save the day by signing Bellinger away from Arte.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  VictoriousVIC

People keep acting like the Angels have money now that they don’t have to pay for Ohtani.

If Ohtani brought in roughly $10-$20 million in Japanese endorsements and the Angels paid him $30 million last year, that means we might have only cleared up $10 million.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

And attendance will drop like a rock without him more so than it was dropping the last 10+ years.

Unfortunately, If he ever hopes of drawing 3 million+ fans to the big A any time soon hes going to have to continue to spend big money

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago

The Giants have a ton of young pitching and need an outfielder and infielder. I’d ship them Ward and Rengifo for some young arms, preferably Kyle Harrison.

smithy610
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m ready to jettison Ward if it wasn’t for his serious injury. There are legitimate concerns on how he will come back as a player on the field. I know the trade sims value him as a positive, but on the human aspect, I can’t blame other teams if they’re very reluctant to take a chance.

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Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

There’s risk but there’s also not much on the free agent market. I think the Brewers are sitting pretty with a surplus of outfielders right now.

BannedInLA
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

I’ve been saying & thinking this too.

That’s gotta’ be one of the more difficult things to come back from psychologically.

I count LF as a MAJOR area of concern, especially since we’re than assuming that Moniak isn’t fools gold & Adell can actually bat higher than .220 whilst reducing his 40% strike out rate.

Muchas Preguentas !!!

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Oh, I’m punting on 2024 in this scenario. I’m trading two win now types for one win later.

The sign Snell and trade for Burnes scenario above is win now.

2GA2Join
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Every time I read a rumor that says we are going to trade for a big-time starter with 1 year of control, I cringe. I just can’t believe we’d be that ridiculous now, especially now that Ohtani is gone.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Sandoval only has two so there’s not a ton lost there. The upside is Garret Mitchell has five years remaining before free agency and would immediately allow Trout to move to a corner and DH role.

FungoAle
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Hey and I thought the Giants were your NL Team. Sir, I reject that trade offer.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

They are but there’s only one top dog.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m not sure Ward has any realistic value until he proves he can hit again following that injury. Injuries like that have ruined careers from a mental standpoint.

FungoAle
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I think mentally will be fine but unsure if he ever regains value to match his 2022 season.

BannedInLA
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

That’s a comfortable assumption dude.

I wouldn’t be so dismissive re: psychological aspect. Whew.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I don’t think anybody will know until he steps back in there; not even Ward.

he’s such a good dude I hope he mashes this year.

smithy610
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

All this talk about Ward just reminded me of all the important players we lost to injuries last year, at the time we’re still legitimately competing for the playoffs:

Trout
Ward
Rendon – yes, don’t laugh
Urshela
Drury – even though he came back, he was gone for an important stretch in June-July.

I mean, yes, you can build all the depth that you need and want, but with those players out, the team never stood a chance.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Yeah, it was brutal. I went to the July 3rd game in SD. Trout went down that night and Rendon the following day. Season over (even though Rendon wasn’t playing well).

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
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Kiyotchan
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Don’t know much about KBO, but I understand that their pitchers are not that great. I believe this kid will struggle against MLB pitching. SF Giants are desperate now that they missed on Judge and Ohtani.

FungoAle
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

It might take him a bit to get acclimated to MLB pitching but Ha-Seong Kim did in his second year and is a very good player. Lee has real good bat-to-ball skills. I would have approved here if it was Anaheim.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

His father played for NPB team, Chunichi Dragons, and he was actually born in Japan. He wears 51 because he adores Ichiro, and he is a good contact hitter. He will not be expected to hit too many homeruns especially in Oracle. Giants will probably place him as lead off or 2 hole hitter at start, but if he struggles, he will be placed in 9 hole or on bench. He really did not do well against NPB pitchers in WBC, so we will see.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Shin-Soo Choo had pretty damn good MLB career just as soon as he got out of Seattle when he was much younger than Lee is now

Last edited 4 months ago by Cowboy26
h27kim
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Choo never played in the KBO until the end of career (he was an intl free agent right out of high school), so not an apt comparison.

2GA2Join
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The good news is that it takes the Giants out of competition for Arte’s new top target: Bellinger.

 😂 

steelgolf
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

🤮

Omahalo22
Member
4 months ago

Let’s see those turnstile receipts next year. Lol. Lots of those fans were Shohei fans and not halos fans. FU Arte….always and forever.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
4 months ago

I read that Shohei and Ippei will have press conference as Doyer on Thursday 3 pm west coast time. With Ippei being there, I am assuming that American baseball media will do their due diligence to ask questions regarding the salary deferral and other controversial matters being discussed in CtPG last few days, and it will be broadcast on MLB Network in its entirety, I will not need to translate/transcribe. If Japanese press corps ask questions in Japanese, I will wait and see, but Ippei may interpret the questions and Sho’s answer in English. If not, I will intervene.

I will keep my mouth/typing shut for now.

Last edited 4 months ago by Kiyotchan
Eric_in_Portland
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

where can we find you for Dodgers talk?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
4 months ago

I will wait and see how Doyers will handle his availability. I predict that it will be fairly similar to what the Angels had done. I understand that the Doyers has its own TV network, so I am little curious how they will present Q+A session.

I can easily do copy and paste his Q&A session with Japanese media onto CtPG, using Apple Note application. If there are sufficient number of people at CtPG still interested, I would be happy to oblige.

FungoAle
Super Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

With the Dodgers, my guess is that Shohei will do a 180 and be the life of the party

bobblanton
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Not interested in what he has to say. Lost respect for him in how things went down and the discount he is giving the dodgers. Sometimes I forget it’s more a business than anything and put my heart into someone I thought was honest. Good luck Dodgers. Good luck Ohtani. I hope you never win a World Series

Marcotor
Trusted Member
4 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

So this rage boner you have, what was Ohtani exactly dishonest about? I mean true dishonesty, not what you think.

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Man someone’s getting a little fixated.

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bobblanton
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4 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

You’re an idiot

Kiyotchan
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4 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

At least for next season, you got your wish, sir. The Doyers and Padres have MLB kick off series in Seoul, Korea. If my memory serves me correctly, those teams who went to Japan to begin their MLB season have never won World Series, or for that matter, never even made playoffs. If this pattern holds, then both of them will not even make the playoffs; it will be either San Francisco, Arizona or Colorado who will win the NL West. You can argue that Korea is not Japan, but their sentence structure/syntax are quite similar.

BTW, people in LA and San Diego will be blacked out of the Seoul Series according to FanNation: https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball/news/shohei-ohtani-la-dodgers-debut-subject-to-blackout-restrictions-in-los-angeles-san-diego-tv-markets-espn-seoul-series-korea

Another reason to say goodbye to LA or San Diego, or MLB in general.

Last edited 4 months ago by Kiyotchan
bobblanton
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Thanks Kiyo for everything you have translated for this group. Hopefully we will hear from you often

2GA2Join
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4 months ago
Reply to  bobblanton

Except if Ohtani no-hits the Angels. Then we don’t want to hear from you.
 😁 

bobblanton
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4 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Haha

Marcotor
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Does he have any obligation to explain any of the details about his contract? I doubt people get lots of answers to what his business is, no matter how much we demand our rights to know (which are non-existent).

Kiyotchan
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4 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I have not seen or heard him ever decline a question, even a stupid one like what time does he get up or what does he eat for breakfast. So, if American media shrewdly ask the salary deferral question, he will answer, I believe.

By the way, his last year as Nippon Ham Fighter, he made 2 billion yen, which is about $1.4 M at todays yen/dollar rate. As far as anyone knows, he does not spend money to buy sports cars or other luxurious items. From what I understand, he just placed his money in his savings account in Japan. Now, I am sure he has an accountant and investment advisor.

So, even $2M is a lot of money for him. Baseball is the only interest he has, so whatever he is going to do with the deferred money is anybody’s guess. I would not be at all surprised that if he ended up donating all of that money for Japanese Youth Baseball.

Last edited 4 months ago by Kiyotchan
Kiyotchan
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4 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I think it was his investment advisor along with all other rich athletes whose advisors who made the fateful choice. I don’t think Sho knows who Sam Bankman Fried is or cares. But as any good investment advisor would do, diversify to minimize any failure of a small part of portfolio. So, it must felt like an itch on his ‘okole’.

Sho is like a celibate priest, who is devoted to the game of baseball. Everyone calls him a unicorn; he is a unicorn who does not want to be hated by his fellow MLB players; that is the only reason why he took $700M. If he decides to donate $1M each to 680 Japanese youth baseball team, that is his choice so that CA Department of Revenue has no reason to go after him.

BTW, even though I was a math major, I still do not understand how calculating complex math formula/equations using computer “harvest” crypto money. Yes, I do understand that the money is completely traceable, but harvesting money sounds like making counterfeit money. None of my investments contain anything to do with bit coin or crypto currency.

Last edited 4 months ago by Kiyotchan
Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Then with his endorsement cash, he’ll own a NPB team someday maybe even a MLB team.

Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I think he’ll take a $680 million stake in the Dodgers.

He’ll make $500 million in endorsements in his career. He doesn’t spend money foolishly. He loves baseball.

LanaBanana
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4 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

So, are you still going to hang with us next year as an Angels fan? I hope so.

HalosFanForLife
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4 months ago

Hey Mike and Anthony. How about we “restructure” your contracts to deferred deals for the team?

Last edited 4 months ago by HalosFanForLife
Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago

Anthony should restructure his career status to “retired” and not accept the money we all know he won’t earn.

But, hey, Arte sat with Boras and told him straight up he wanted Rendon. So Arte gets to deal with it.

HalosFanForLife
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4 months ago

I’m just saying…

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Jeff Joiner
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4 months ago

nailed it.

BannedInLA
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4 months ago

So, is Yamamoto or Snell the next important domino to fall?

2GA2Join
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4 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

We’re never mentioned as a landing spot for Yamamoto, but I think the Angels should make him their highest priority.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Very unlikely imo. I doubt he wants to pitch in Anaheim.

Last edited 4 months ago by Fansince1971
Eric_in_Portland
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

there are also 25 other clubs after him

2GA2Join
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4 months ago

Well, I’m just saying it should be our highest priority.

Whether or not we succeed is a different question.

And I agree it is not likely.

2GA2Join
Super Member
4 months ago

Stratton and Lugo just signed, oh oh, nothing left for Perry pretty soon!

Cowboy26
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4 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I think Lucas Giolito is still available. But then we’d be out on Julio Teheran

BannedInLA
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4 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Don’t f*ck up our chances at landing Joe Blanton !!!

red floyd
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4 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Stratton?

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Fansince1971
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4 months ago

Here’s a question that just struck me, if Ohtani is the one who suggested the deferred money, why didn’t he defer most of his 30 million this last season and that could’ve been used to pick up another top pitcher? I’m not sure I’m buying that the deferred money was his idea and was offered to other teams

2GA2Join
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I figured that is one of the things that our fans might start to bring up and add to the uproar.

We may never know what really happened.

But it could be a simple answer, that a year ago Ohtani just went through the procedure like a normal player, and got offered and accepted what was a reasonable salary, and he thought this year might finally go better with the additions we made and all that.
Then the season unfolded, and if you think it felt like a disastrous collapse to us, imagine how he felt. At that point, he might have had an internal switch flip, where he decided “that does it, I can’t wait to get out of here, I really want to finally win something” and so he and his agent were much more active in trying to get himself into a contending situation. He knows his “duty” to the MLBPA to get a huge salary, but also he made it work so he could go to a solid team and they could still put more players around him. After all, he saw what happens when a team has him and not much else.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I think this is reasonable as any speculation I have seen. If its true, I just wish he had mentioned his decision to leave to the team so that they would not have made asinine moves to try to keep him.

2GA2Join
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yes, I agree with you here. Again, we may never know what really happened.

Maybe he came to this decision after the trade deadline, after the collapse (this is actually quite believable).

If he has been pining for the Dodgers for a while, then I, too, would be pretty irritated with Ohtani because of all that “if we trade him then we have no chance to re-sign him” crap. If we actually knew earlier that he was leaning towards going to another big contender, then that *should* have heavily factored into our decision to trade him or not before the deadline.

As we know, our decision to go all-in at the deadline “seemed” to be fueled by two things:

  1. Win while we have Ohtani’s contribution
  2. Show him we are serious and try to convince him to stay

If #2 was always off the board, then, well, that really sucks. While he is off celebrating his new digs, we have completely cratered our organization.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Well put. I agree that if #2 was off the board, Ohtani assisted in cratering the Org from a not-trading him and giving up top prospects perspective and also embarrassed the Angels by moving the show 35 miles up 5 freeway.

Last edited 4 months ago by Fansince1971
ihearhowie3.0
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Making 30M + Endorsements last year gave him the war chest and financial security to not need that much over the next 10 years.

Fansince1971
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4 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Yep. I think this is correct.

smithy610
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

How would he be able to defer it if it’s his last year? Not being cheeky – real question.

I think the solution would have been maybe he should have taken less than 30M?

Twebur
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

He did…….Arte heard De-F’er and thought Shohei wanted a Fur Coat for his mom….
Arte his bought his mom a Fur Coat….😀

JackFrost
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Good point. It could have been his agent’s idea (Nez Balelo).

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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4 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

He knew that he wouldn’t re-sign with the Angels, so why go through the accounting gymnastics