Ohtani to the Dodgers

Our collective nightmare has happened. $700 million over 10 years is incredible.

https://twitter.com/jefffletcherocr/status/1733579277948568048?s=46&t=e2madw4iRuMhY-mGsL6oCA


Thanks for the memories.

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smithy610
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7 months ago

Maybe he’s busy with his wedding anniversary, or with other things, but Trout hasn’t said anything yet about Shohei leaving. He’s posted a couple of Instagram stories since the news broke out, so I’m sure he’s aware.

From what I’ve seen, only Logan and Adell have mentioned something.

VictoriousVIC
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7 months ago

This organization really had two of the best players in our generation. For 6 years, one of them cost controlled and couldn’t even finish 500 once. Arte will go down as one of the worst owner in baseball. To top it off, we all know Arte won’t approve a rebuild and will probably dish out a huge contract to Bellinger and Snell because trAdition.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
JakeTaylor
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7 months ago

What a shitty weekend. Ohtani leaves and I get COVID. 😔

LanaBanana
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7 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

Oh man, I hope you aren’t too sick!

JakeTaylor
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7 months ago
Reply to  LanaBanana

It’s like a bad head cold right now. I hope it doesn’t get as bad when I had it last year.

DMAGZ13
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7 months ago

Yamamoto is probably going to the Mets. Sign Snell (25) and Imamoto(15) Trade Sandoval, Ward, Rengifo Bachman, Suarez for Burnes. Extend him. Sign Bellinger (22) Urshela (4) Stephenson (8)

SPs, Burnes, Snell, Imamoto, Detmers and Sillseth

Key RP: Estevez, Stephenson, Joyce, Soriano, Garcia, Anderson, Canning, Cimber, Kolarak

Lineup: Schanuel, Trout, Bellinger, O’Hoppe, Drury, Rendon, Moniak,Adell, Neto

Bench : Adams, Thaiss Urshelsa.

Way better team

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Is dis yo IIWPM?

max
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max
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

ha ha was just going to ask that

Angelz4ever
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7 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Imagining any trade return for Suarez is laughable.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Realistically after the Ohtani mega deal how much dough are you adding for 2024? Like $100 million? I like all your moves except for Belli . I think he’s overrated especially with his outfield defense . I’d rather save that money and sign Joc Pederson, Tim Anderson and Justin Turner ( in lieu of Gio) Especially JT he’s a born leader-something we don’t have anywhere in the system. I like signing a bunch of ex Doyers. I’m sure they got something to prove . Why not prove it down the street from the latrine ?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DMAGZ13

I hope we sign Bellinger. People have the impression that Rendon is less injured and more doesn’t give a shit. Having Cody around would help the twits get a look at what ACTUAL not giving a shit looks like.

JakeTaylor
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smithy610
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7 months ago
Reply to  JakeTaylor

Ben Verlander organized the parade

steelgolf
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7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

😆

smithy610
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7 months ago

Well, look at it this way – if Arte indeed signs Cody Bellinger as his answer to being spurned by Shohei, then we really just exchanged one MVP with the Dodgers for another. One who, while not a marketing behemoth for the MLB in Asia, may be cheaper and will be playing some defense.

(Not that I’m advocating for a Bellinger signing).

JackFrost
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7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

A Bellinger signing (with lack of a front line starting pitcher also added) would be really disappointing to me.

steelgolf
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7 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

The ONLY thing they should be addressing is pitching.

halofansince1978
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7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

THIS!!!

ryanfea
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7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Ehh Bellinger isn’t the right answer but the offense is clearly a few bats short.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

It would be disappointing to me even with a pitcher. I want to spend no money. Spending on a guy that’s good two out of six years? Nah

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Interesting in checking defensive stats ( Defensive Runs Saved ) last year show that Mickey Moniak is a top 20 outfielder while Cody Bellinger should stick to first base.

Now if we can get Mickey to just swing at pitchers in the strike zone we’d be styling for alot less money.

smithy610
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Well yeah, that’s why I said playing “some defense”, not good defense.

Also, good to know Mickey’s doing good defensively as an OF. I think he’ll be the CF in 2 years. Unlike most others here, I think he’s an integral part of the immediate future, along with O’Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel, etc. He had a good run until he got figured out. Now he needs to adjust back again. But he’s clearly shown he has top pick pedigree.

Angelstan
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7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

The Angels should play the vets they have plus the youngsters who are under team control and are cheap. They should bring in more pitching and one reliable bat. Like last year, they can then see where they are by June and go from there.

Pineapple12
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7 months ago

I’m not even tripping about this anymore. We all knew Ohtani departing to the Dodgers was the likely outcome for the past few seasons.

I only have love for Sho and hold him in the highest regard.

I was an Angels fan before Ohtani and will continue to be after. The only thing that changes is I’ll be rooting him on as a Dodger as well.

My attention is solely focused on curing this nasty hangover 😂😂😂.

Oh, Reid Detmers is winning the Cy Young next season. I don’t make rules.

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Mia
7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’d have been much more confused if he chose Toronto.

Angelz4ever
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7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I agree with Roger Lodge. no way in Hell Ohtani was going north of the border.

smithy610
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7 months ago
Reply to  Mia

I wouldn’t be.

Based on the Shohei that we knew (which may be different than the Shohei now), Toronto affords him a well-run organization, good teammates, great city, but still with relative privacy and anonymity. The lights are not too bright and harsh.

But if you believe Tom Verducci’s article into how it went down, Shohei apparently was impressed with the Dodgers’ minor league system, as compared to Toronto’s. And maybe he really prefers the West Coast because it’s closer to home. Plus, the AL East has generally been a much tougher division than the NL West, although it maybe evening out now, if the Padres and Dbacks can sustain their recent successes.

tanana40
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7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

He probably likes his home in Newport Beach

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

He aint going to be crashing any where near the Latrine like he was able to do here at The George

steelgolf
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

No? Not China town area? Atwater? Glendale isn’t too far.

BannedInLA
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7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Pasadena is the answer you’re looking for here. It’s about 6 miles or so from doyer stadium.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

And it only takes 4 hours to get there for a game from there

Fleckstein
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7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

i would assume even Calif taxes plus federal taxes less than Canada and whatever Ontario does (assuming it has additional taxes; I do not know the Canadian tax code).

halofansince1978
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7 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

There are two hangover cures I can guarantee.

Tail of the dog and running the jackhammer!!

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MH252525
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7 months ago

So I did a bit of math if you combine Ohtani and his 132 innings with Barria, Suarez and Giolito’s combined 148 2/3 innings, you get a combined #1/#6 pitcher with a 4.94 ERA. I think that is replaceable. His offense clearly not, but I think the Angels can expect to see better pitching numbers next year than last year.

steelgolf
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7 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

Isn’t Suarez still on the team? If he is than that team ERA is not improving.

FungoAle
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7 months ago

Sure hoping the Angels show some restraint with the remaining free agents. Nothing will fulfill the gap in excitement with Shohei’s eye popping talent.

Charles Sutton
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7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

What are we, up to about $72 Million that we figured Perry could spend? The Fletcher/Stassi deal is a plus six while Cimber and Kolarek are about a minus two aren’t they? Who am I forgetting?
Edit: Those guys from the Braves won’t count but Willie Calhoun might make the big club in spring training.

Kolarek is first year arb eligible, so I guess he will get more than league minimum. ($71 Million, then.)

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Charles Sutton
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7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

The way prices are, I figure that is one ace plus the usual bunch of randos for infield, outfield, and bullpen.
Edit: Down at Salt Lake we have only Zach Humphreys, so I predict another rando at the catching position. It won’t be Bemboom. He went somewhere else a couple days ago.

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Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

From the CBT? According to Fangraphs RR we’re $69.3 million.

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/angels

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Charles Sutton
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

After arb raises, it might not even be that much. They probably considered that, though.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

They did its all there

Charles Sutton
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I guess our CtPG dart throwing approach was not all that far from the mark, all things considered. (I joke. We, meaning Jeff, gave serious consideration to the number.)

Last edited 7 months ago by Charles Sutton
Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I know people are critical of Perry here for the retread KolGarCimber signings but the way the markets going with the FA pitchers and FA hitters that may have been the best move

Charles Sutton
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The dude can’t fold space time, so there are bound to be limits to what he can do. He works for Arte Moreno.

steelgolf
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7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

If Willie Calhoun makes the big club, then they are heading for an early pick in the 2025 draft.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Minor league depth is a good thing though. I think LeBlanc was a great pick up too.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

“ Sure hoping the Angels show some restraint”

When has Arte ever shown restraint after missing out on his targeted FA?

If Josh Hamilton was still playing he would probably be receiving a call just about now.

MH252525
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7 months ago

My last memories of Ohtani will be the last in person game I went to last year. Angels starting a rally in the 9th. Ohtani comes up as a meaningless run with runners on base. His only priority should have been get on base. He takes 3 straight balls, then he makes up his mind he is swinging on the next pitch and he swings and misses by a ton on a pitch way out of the strikezone. Then he eventually makes an out instead of just taking the walk. Angels would eventually nearly tie the game, only not tying it because Drury hit a ground rule double. They probably win the game if Ohtani just took the walk. So he can talk about winning being important, but he also tried to pad his stats too and at least in that instance but himself above the team.

I’m also interested to see how the Angels adjust to a 5 man rotation. Not only is it not better just by not having to throw out literally your worst SP all the time, but it sure felt like it was hard for some of the Angels starters to develop a strong rhythm when they only pitch in a game once a week all the time. Maybe we see them start to click a bit more. I sure won’t miss having our 6th best starter pitch.

MH252525
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7 months ago
Reply to  MH252525

I’m sure people will respond with oh you are just upset Ohtani is leaving but look at the Angels 6th starters last year.

Barria 82 innings 5.68 ERA
Suarez 33 innings 8.29 ERA
Giolito 32 innings 6.89 ERA

Mathematically a strong case can be made that at least last year the Angels would have been better with another pitcher around the quality of Detmers, Sandoval, Canning and been on a 5 man rotation than with Ohtani and requiring a 6 man rotation.

clover_black
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7 months ago

Brain dead blogger / fan from Dodger Nation acting like nothing happened is pretty hilarious.

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

$4M is a little ripe

smithy610
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I think we do need a veteran catcher. FO and coaches said that part of the pitching problems last year was the lack of veteran catchers behind the plate. Majority of the season was the duo of Wallach and Thaiss.

I dunno who’s out there available – a reunion with Maldy?! I

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Cowboy26
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7 months ago

So does this mean that Sam the Hat is joining the Doyers too?

https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1733664768656113808

Now That would be a small silver lining.

SchofieldsWalkoff
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Please let this happen!

ihearhowie3.0
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I wouldnt be surprised if we became one of the teams that doesnt get a full-time reporter at the Athletic with Sho gone.

FungoAle
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7 months ago
Reply to  ihearhowie3.0

Same thoughts, this was the situation years ago too with Fabian? I forget his name. Angels were the step-child.

Charles Sutton
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7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Ardaya?

Eric_in_Portland
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7 months ago

prediction time: Shohei will hit about .275 with 35 HRs. The Latrine depresses offense as we can see by Tyler Anderson’s stats.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago

From this point forward, every single thing he does will be measured to $700m. It will be interesting to see how he handles the expectations and scrutiny.

Fansince1971
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7 months ago

Can anyone live up to $70m per year for 10 years? Especially from a fan perspective?

The Dodgers Org will likely be fine with the deal as Ohtani will generate a significant amount of his cost each year. Maybe even exceed it.

smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago

Well, the marine layer is also supposed to depress the offense but that didn’t help Anderson.

2002heaven
Super Member
7 months ago

The late Angel’s GM Buzzie Bavasi 42 yrs ago quipped the same thing that was said in Moneyball.
“We’ll just replace Nolan Ryan with two 8-7 pitchers”……LOL!!!! How did that work out?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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7 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

That’s not a relevant comparison and you know it. You are taking far too much joy in Ohtani’s departure.

Cant you take your game to Dodgerville?

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

can we replace you with 2 1001 idiots?

Eric_in_Portland
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Comment of the day

CAoldskoll
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7 months ago

Until baseball establishes a hard salary cap teams like Dodgers and Yanks will always indulge in abusive contracts to pad their teams and try to ruin competitiveness in MLB. Dodgers you are pathetic; you win yur cupcake division every year and choke, so now you need 3 MVP’s stolen from other teams to win a WS? If Kershaw returns how is that payroll, and your still in hunt for Yamamoto!! Yanks payin Judge’s contract with Cole and useless Stanton and Lemahieu added Soto?? Unless you spend big what chance do teams like Angels have? They have to wait for a young good core to build around like Dbacks did. Could have happened, let’s not get into how they passed on ROY Carrol and Henderson in 2019.

Fleckstein
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7 months ago
Reply to  CAoldskoll

I understand your anger, but how many WS have those two won recently?

Cowboy26
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7 months ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

We just need to get an owner who will spend big on the farm

Cowboy26
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7 months ago

Well two late inning left handed set up men are off the board. My dream of a 2024 bullpen without Jimmy Herget and Jose Suarez is slowly fading.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/royals-to-sign-will-smith.html

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/tigers-to-sign-andrew-chafin-2.html

At least we signed Adam Kolarek

2002heaven
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7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Still a BP guy……..LOL!!!
For a data zealot you sure aren’t with the program……..