Our collective nightmare has happened. $700 million over 10 years is incredible.
https://twitter.com/jefffletcherocr/status/1733579277948568048?s=46&t=e2madw4iRuMhY-mGsL6oCA
Thanks for the memories.
Our collective nightmare has happened. $700 million over 10 years is incredible.
https://twitter.com/jefffletcherocr/status/1733579277948568048?s=46&t=e2madw4iRuMhY-mGsL6oCA
Thanks for the memories.
Maybe he’s busy with his wedding anniversary, or with other things, but Trout hasn’t said anything yet about Shohei leaving. He’s posted a couple of Instagram stories since the news broke out, so I’m sure he’s aware.
From what I’ve seen, only Logan and Adell have mentioned something.
This organization really had two of the best players in our generation. For 6 years, one of them cost controlled and couldn’t even finish 500 once. Arte will go down as one of the worst owner in baseball. To top it off, we all know Arte won’t approve a rebuild and will probably dish out a huge contract to Bellinger and Snell because trAdition.
Well is Machete returning home?
https://twitter.com/BeyondTheHalo/status/1733986307305865285
What a shitty weekend. Ohtani leaves and I get COVID. 😔
Oh man, I hope you aren’t too sick!
It’s like a bad head cold right now. I hope it doesn’t get as bad when I had it last year.
Yamamoto is probably going to the Mets. Sign Snell (25) and Imamoto(15) Trade Sandoval, Ward, Rengifo Bachman, Suarez for Burnes. Extend him. Sign Bellinger (22) Urshela (4) Stephenson (8)
SPs, Burnes, Snell, Imamoto, Detmers and Sillseth
Key RP: Estevez, Stephenson, Joyce, Soriano, Garcia, Anderson, Canning, Cimber, Kolarak
Lineup: Schanuel, Trout, Bellinger, O’Hoppe, Drury, Rendon, Moniak,Adell, Neto
Bench : Adams, Thaiss Urshelsa.
Way better team
Is dis yo IIWPM?
ha ha was just going to ask that
Imagining any trade return for Suarez is laughable.
Realistically after the Ohtani mega deal how much dough are you adding for 2024? Like $100 million? I like all your moves except for Belli . I think he’s overrated especially with his outfield defense . I’d rather save that money and sign Joc Pederson, Tim Anderson and Justin Turner ( in lieu of Gio) Especially JT he’s a born leader-something we don’t have anywhere in the system. I like signing a bunch of ex Doyers. I’m sure they got something to prove . Why not prove it down the street from the latrine ?
I hope we sign Bellinger. People have the impression that Rendon is less injured and more doesn’t give a shit. Having Cody around would help the twits get a look at what ACTUAL not giving a shit looks like.
Dodgers fans are clowns.
https://twitter.com/militantangleno/status/1733964090949947406?s=20
Ben Verlander organized the parade
😆
Well, look at it this way – if Arte indeed signs Cody Bellinger as his answer to being spurned by Shohei, then we really just exchanged one MVP with the Dodgers for another. One who, while not a marketing behemoth for the MLB in Asia, may be cheaper and will be playing some defense.
(Not that I’m advocating for a Bellinger signing).
A Bellinger signing (with lack of a front line starting pitcher also added) would be really disappointing to me.
The ONLY thing they should be addressing is pitching.
THIS!!!
Ehh Bellinger isn’t the right answer but the offense is clearly a few bats short.
It would be disappointing to me even with a pitcher. I want to spend no money. Spending on a guy that’s good two out of six years? Nah
Interesting in checking defensive stats ( Defensive Runs Saved ) last year show that Mickey Moniak is a top 20 outfielder while Cody Bellinger should stick to first base.
Now if we can get Mickey to just swing at pitchers in the strike zone we’d be styling for alot less money.
Well yeah, that’s why I said playing “some defense”, not good defense.
Also, good to know Mickey’s doing good defensively as an OF. I think he’ll be the CF in 2 years. Unlike most others here, I think he’s an integral part of the immediate future, along with O’Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel, etc. He had a good run until he got figured out. Now he needs to adjust back again. But he’s clearly shown he has top pick pedigree.
The Angels should play the vets they have plus the youngsters who are under team control and are cheap. They should bring in more pitching and one reliable bat. Like last year, they can then see where they are by June and go from there.
I’m not even tripping about this anymore. We all knew Ohtani departing to the Dodgers was the likely outcome for the past few seasons.
I only have love for Sho and hold him in the highest regard.
I was an Angels fan before Ohtani and will continue to be after. The only thing that changes is I’ll be rooting him on as a Dodger as well.
My attention is solely focused on curing this nasty hangover 😂😂😂.
Oh, Reid Detmers is winning the Cy Young next season. I don’t make rules.
I’d have been much more confused if he chose Toronto.
I agree with Roger Lodge. no way in Hell Ohtani was going north of the border.
I wouldn’t be.
Based on the Shohei that we knew (which may be different than the Shohei now), Toronto affords him a well-run organization, good teammates, great city, but still with relative privacy and anonymity. The lights are not too bright and harsh.
But if you believe Tom Verducci’s article into how it went down, Shohei apparently was impressed with the Dodgers’ minor league system, as compared to Toronto’s. And maybe he really prefers the West Coast because it’s closer to home. Plus, the AL East has generally been a much tougher division than the NL West, although it maybe evening out now, if the Padres and Dbacks can sustain their recent successes.
He probably likes his home in Newport Beach
He aint going to be crashing any where near the Latrine like he was able to do here at The George
No? Not China town area? Atwater? Glendale isn’t too far.
Pasadena is the answer you’re looking for here. It’s about 6 miles or so from doyer stadium.
And it only takes 4 hours to get there for a game from there
i would assume even Calif taxes plus federal taxes less than Canada and whatever Ontario does (assuming it has additional taxes; I do not know the Canadian tax code).
There are two hangover cures I can guarantee.
Tail of the dog and running the jackhammer!!
So I did a bit of math if you combine Ohtani and his 132 innings with Barria, Suarez and Giolito’s combined 148 2/3 innings, you get a combined #1/#6 pitcher with a 4.94 ERA. I think that is replaceable. His offense clearly not, but I think the Angels can expect to see better pitching numbers next year than last year.
Isn’t Suarez still on the team? If he is than that team ERA is not improving.
Sure hoping the Angels show some restraint with the remaining free agents. Nothing will fulfill the gap in excitement with Shohei’s eye popping talent.
What are we, up to about $72 Million that we figured Perry could spend? The Fletcher/Stassi deal is a plus six while Cimber and Kolarek are about a minus two aren’t they? Who am I forgetting?
Edit: Those guys from the Braves won’t count but Willie Calhoun might make the big club in spring training.
Kolarek is first year arb eligible, so I guess he will get more than league minimum. ($71 Million, then.)
The way prices are, I figure that is one ace plus the usual bunch of randos for infield, outfield, and bullpen.
Edit: Down at Salt Lake we have only Zach Humphreys, so I predict another rando at the catching position. It won’t be Bemboom. He went somewhere else a couple days ago.
From the CBT? According to Fangraphs RR we’re $69.3 million.
https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/angels
After arb raises, it might not even be that much. They probably considered that, though.
They did its all there
I guess our CtPG dart throwing approach was not all that far from the mark, all things considered. (I joke. We, meaning Jeff, gave serious consideration to the number.)
I know people are critical of Perry here for the retread KolGarCimber signings but the way the markets going with the FA pitchers and FA hitters that may have been the best move
The dude can’t fold space time, so there are bound to be limits to what he can do. He works for Arte Moreno.
If Willie Calhoun makes the big club, then they are heading for an early pick in the 2025 draft.
Minor league depth is a good thing though. I think LeBlanc was a great pick up too.
“ Sure hoping the Angels show some restraint”
When has Arte ever shown restraint after missing out on his targeted FA?
If Josh Hamilton was still playing he would probably be receiving a call just about now.
My last memories of Ohtani will be the last in person game I went to last year. Angels starting a rally in the 9th. Ohtani comes up as a meaningless run with runners on base. His only priority should have been get on base. He takes 3 straight balls, then he makes up his mind he is swinging on the next pitch and he swings and misses by a ton on a pitch way out of the strikezone. Then he eventually makes an out instead of just taking the walk. Angels would eventually nearly tie the game, only not tying it because Drury hit a ground rule double. They probably win the game if Ohtani just took the walk. So he can talk about winning being important, but he also tried to pad his stats too and at least in that instance but himself above the team.
I’m also interested to see how the Angels adjust to a 5 man rotation. Not only is it not better just by not having to throw out literally your worst SP all the time, but it sure felt like it was hard for some of the Angels starters to develop a strong rhythm when they only pitch in a game once a week all the time. Maybe we see them start to click a bit more. I sure won’t miss having our 6th best starter pitch.
I’m sure people will respond with oh you are just upset Ohtani is leaving but look at the Angels 6th starters last year.
Barria 82 innings 5.68 ERA
Suarez 33 innings 8.29 ERA
Giolito 32 innings 6.89 ERA
Mathematically a strong case can be made that at least last year the Angels would have been better with another pitcher around the quality of Detmers, Sandoval, Canning and been on a 5 man rotation than with Ohtani and requiring a 6 man rotation.
Brain dead blogger / fan from Dodger Nation acting like nothing happened is pretty hilarious.
I would have been ok with this signing for us. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/guardians-to-sign-austin-hedges.html
$4M is a little ripe
I think we do need a veteran catcher. FO and coaches said that part of the pitching problems last year was the lack of veteran catchers behind the plate. Majority of the season was the duo of Wallach and Thaiss.
I dunno who’s out there available – a reunion with Maldy?! I
Yankees To Acquire Two 40-Man Roster Players From Dodgers
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/yankees-to-acquire-two-40-man-roster-players-from-dodgers.html
https://babylonbee.com/news/ohtani-having-second-thoughts-on-dodgers-signing-after-meeting-batting-coaches
So does this mean that Sam the Hat is joining the Doyers too?
https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1733664768656113808
Now That would be a small silver lining.
Please let this happen!
I wouldnt be surprised if we became one of the teams that doesnt get a full-time reporter at the Athletic with Sho gone.
Same thoughts, this was the situation years ago too with Fabian? I forget his name. Angels were the step-child.
Ardaya?
prediction time: Shohei will hit about .275 with 35 HRs. The Latrine depresses offense as we can see by Tyler Anderson’s stats.
From this point forward, every single thing he does will be measured to $700m. It will be interesting to see how he handles the expectations and scrutiny.
Can anyone live up to $70m per year for 10 years? Especially from a fan perspective?
The Dodgers Org will likely be fine with the deal as Ohtani will generate a significant amount of his cost each year. Maybe even exceed it.
Well, the marine layer is also supposed to depress the offense but that didn’t help Anderson.
The late Angel’s GM Buzzie Bavasi 42 yrs ago quipped the same thing that was said in Moneyball.
“We’ll just replace Nolan Ryan with two 8-7 pitchers”……LOL!!!! How did that work out?
That’s not a relevant comparison and you know it. You are taking far too much joy in Ohtani’s departure.
Cant you take your game to Dodgerville?
can we replace you with 2 1001 idiots?
Comment of the day
Until baseball establishes a hard salary cap teams like Dodgers and Yanks will always indulge in abusive contracts to pad their teams and try to ruin competitiveness in MLB. Dodgers you are pathetic; you win yur cupcake division every year and choke, so now you need 3 MVP’s stolen from other teams to win a WS? If Kershaw returns how is that payroll, and your still in hunt for Yamamoto!! Yanks payin Judge’s contract with Cole and useless Stanton and Lemahieu added Soto?? Unless you spend big what chance do teams like Angels have? They have to wait for a young good core to build around like Dbacks did. Could have happened, let’s not get into how they passed on ROY Carrol and Henderson in 2019.
I understand your anger, but how many WS have those two won recently?
We just need to get an owner who will spend big on the farm
Well two late inning left handed set up men are off the board. My dream of a 2024 bullpen without Jimmy Herget and Jose Suarez is slowly fading.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/royals-to-sign-will-smith.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/tigers-to-sign-andrew-chafin-2.html
At least we signed Adam Kolarek
Still a BP guy……..LOL!!!
For a data zealot you sure aren’t with the program……..