The Astros advanced as did the Diamondbacks. The poor Phillies actually have to play another game.
West Notes: Moreno, Sanchez, Angels. No! Not Arte Moreno, The Angels news is about Benji Gil being a potential manager candidate.
Will Venable is planning to stay with the Rangers. Giants outfielder Austin Slater had elbow surgery. He’s supposed to be OK for spring. Byron Buxton got onto the Twins roster instead of Alex Kirilloff.
Photo credit: Rex Fregosi
My first choice for manager next year is whoever can deal with whatever crap RenDone throws at the Angels, either not playing or playing out the string.
Sure. Like the sexy bearded one would be afraid of a manager. He gets paid either way.
Yeah. If only Nevin could have handled the furious storm of evil and destruction that was Anthony Rendon we would have had a great year.
See, Nevin wasn’t bruised on his little heart by a guy who looks like Rendon back in the day, so he’s not nearly as hung up on Rendon as a guy like you, who has an almost autistic negative fascination with the guy.
Rendon is out…. play Urshela…. or Drury…. or Fletcher…. cause Rendon’s the only problem.
Yet…. man he is still so cool. I’d pay 38 million dollars just to know he’s around. Thankfully Arte does it for me. But then, I don’t need to point to “the spot on the bear” when it comes to the guy.
Yes, this happened almost 18 hours ago.
And we’re still celebrating! 🍾
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#17 destination in 2024? Could happen from what I hear.
Especially since Dave ain’t afraid to spend! Wheeler, Nola, Ohtani………YIKES!!!
Hmm…GO DIAMONDBACKS!!!! 🐍
Thinking about an Angels Manager, Buck does not get my attention. Would very much like to see a former Angel get the job and be around for more than 18 months.
From the not going to happen dept., I would love to see Arte sell and get out of town.
Why have I not read about unemployed Angels coaches?
Still can’t believe the team did not trade Shohei….
Why can’t regular season 100 game winning teams do well in the playoffs two years in a row now? How does Atlanta not make the World Series?
Today is peak season for the color change in the local mountains, beautiful range of color change.
New manager will likely = unemployed coaches.
Why all the hate for the Dodgers? If we had their brain trusts running our favorite team and had all the success that the Dodgers have had, we’d be over the moon happy. Hate breeds hate and it is proven to be accurate on this site. As for the Dodgers getting the short end against the DBK’s, the Dodgers starting pitchers for a large part were injured or banned. As often happens their two best hitters were cold as ice.
Not having any chips in the pot this year and not really caring about who wins has been interesting, not must-see TV, but it is Baseball. The announcing has been weak at best. I’ve always been a big fan of Bob Costas, but he and Darling were boring.
Please Rangers beat the Asstros. Both NL teams looking good for World Series play, but Capt. Caveman has been a real bonus.
Hey G-Pa,
It’s more of the medias worship of the Blew Crue. Even when the Halos were winning, the local media only would show Dodger highlights, even if it was a loss. For me, all that BS with Snoop Dogg and such really turned me off for the team that plays in Chavez Latrine. Lastly, their fanbase is terrible and they are infamous for violence against opposing team’s fans.
The Angels-Chargers-Clippers will always be second to the Rams-Dodgers-Lakers and I accepted that as fact. A team that caters to certain parts of the SoCal fan base as opposed to treating all the same will always have problems. Si I will agree that not all is perfection with the Dodgers it is the same with us. We have been dragged to the curb with Arte
The media cannot be blames for rooting for certain teams in SoCal, they all have top notch organizations starting at the top.
LOL. Even the Rams are second fiddle to the Niners in SoCal.
Too much Charger love expressed by local media, even right after the Rams won the SB.
Seriously?
SERIOUSLY!
The Raiders remain the most popular NFL team in SoCal and that will never change IMO.
Benji Gill? No opinion, but I do have a question: Can he pitch?
It will change with multiple SB championships.
I haven’t seen that much Raider Nation anymore not like the 80’s and 90’s
The Raiders are at a low ebb and SF is really good at the moment, but if the Raiders are simply “decent”, they will regain the unofficial most popular team in LA.
The Chargers will never latch on in LA. As in never, never.
For me the hate started when I was a kid playing ball, I always wore my Angels cap (this was in the middle 60’s thru the early 70’s not exactly prime winning years for the Angels). I got nothing but shit from my Dodger loving friends. So of course I hated the Dodgers, plus them ripping off our L/A logo on their caps, their lousy park, they played boring baseball, their players never had any personalities just corporate types.
Was always a Ram’s fan, even after they moved to St. Louis and was happy to see them return home to LA. They were the first major league sports team on the west coast. Never liked the Raiders I was a NFL/NFC guy the only AFC team I ever liked was the Chargers, they are like the Angels I believe they won a AFL championship, but never the super bowl.
Liked the Lakers in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s, but stopped watch during the Koby years could not stand that guy and how in baseball the star players run the teams, decide who coaches the team, who plays on the team, etc.
It’s sports. Men throw stuff at their 65-inch TV when their teams lose. People can hate who they hate. There doesn’t need to be any justifiable reason for that.
…so when I throw my TV, I’m doing it wrong?
Since social politics were infused into team sports, I’ve removed myself from supporting these condescending corporate a$$hats for the most part.
The Angels are the last hold out for me re: team sports.
MMA (UFC) is far more entertaining for me and you aren’t straddled with one “team” or another. There are limitless fighters to root for (or against) and it’s year round with no dreary offseason.
You boomers need to expand your sports horizons. Haha
Boxing over MMA every day of the week and twice in Sunday.
Also, Rugby World Cup is going on now, are you in?
I used to be into boxing, but MMA is better. For one simple reason: In a street fight, the MMA guys wins 8/10 times. If not more.
I don’t know jack about Rugby other than it’s a tough sport.
Rugby is THE sport in Fiji, followed by soccer. Basketball (they call it Netball) well, that’s a girls sport. At least that’s how it was in the 90s.
Does that mean I have to be sympathetic and understand the hate, BTW I only throw things at my 55-inch TV? 🤗
You don’t have to be sympathetic and “understand” the hate. You can be 100% apathetic about it. Your question just seemed an affront to those who don’t like the Dodgers, for whatever their reasons are.
To your original question – “why the hate?” Simple answer: Because people can.
Personally though, hate is a strong word for me. So I don’t hate the Dodgers. I just intensely dislike them.
for me…well, I can’t *hate* the Dodgers because my Dad was such a big Brooklyn Dodgers fan. Campy, Duke, Erskine, Furillo, Hodges, Pee Wee, etc. And those Dodgers have a mystique that I understand. That changed gradually once the move to LA was made.
My dislike for the Dodgers began in 1979 when the Angels started to have success. I read comments, probably by Garvey (can’t recall specifically) that were so condescending and jealous that it turned me off to the Dodgers. They had become the Yankees! Ugh! Yuck!
I think it’s deeper than the usual answers you will get GPB. It’s very much a development of the culture, and a feeling of being the forgotten little brother. And, the need to do some dick swinging whenever possible. Look at the comments at any news site, and you will see the divide of line of death in the sand, and the adherence to a rigid dogma. This carries over into sport, and being an Angel fan is the natural extension of that. Look at the uproar on occasion with fans infusing their personal political gripes to team owners, demanding they conform to some left/right wall of death which has little to do with the team itself.
Sure the Dodgers got all the attention, that’s what happens when you bring a World Series to town within 3 years of arriving, then a few more over the next 5-6 years. The narrative had to be tilted some, to fit the hate by some Angel fans because of the meanness Walter showed to “beloved cowboy” Gene. No one held a gun to Champion’s owner and forced him to agree to those terms. Or that O’Malley personally removed hundreds of people from Elysian Park. Or whatever tilted narrative one uses to justify the hatred of the Dodgers.
Dodgers playoffs one series and out? Much glee in the Haloverse? How soon some forget those very same outcomes were the “Glory Years” of Angels Baseball. I think it’s stupid. But I also think kids on my lawn need to get the hell off.
I also don’t remember ONE person ever calling for the “beloved cowboy” to sell the team, in spite of some truly shit teams.
Interesting answer and I agree with this. 🤓
Doyer fans have been annoying as hell since they won the ws in front of 60 ppl.
I always get a lot of crap from my Doyer friends for being an Angels fan. Because apparently, I’m not a fan of the “real” LA team. So you can imagine the stupid, shocked look on their faces when I bring up that their beloved Doyers is not the real LA team, as they are a transplant from Brooklyn, NY. Total bandwagoners.
The one that I loved was “make up your mind on the team name, dude…” (*Regarding California, Anaheim, LA)…
and it’s like uhhhhhhhhh HELLOOOOOOOO:
WHO Had a hard time deciding on a name????
Los Angeles Dodgers (1958–present)
Brooklyn Dodgers (1932–1957)
Brooklyn Robins (1914–1931)
Brooklyn Dodgers (1913)
Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers (1911–1912)
Brooklyn Superbas (1899–1910)
Brooklyn Bridegrooms (1896–1898)
Brooklyn Grooms (1891–1895)
Brooklyn Bridegrooms (1888–1890)
Brooklyn Grays (1885–1887)
Brooklyn Atlantics (1884)
Brooklyn Grays (1883)
A lifetime of being treated as a stepchild, even when the Angels were winning.
The fact Dodgers fans know absolutely nothing about SoCal baseball history prior to when they moved here from Brooklyn
The fact Dodgers fans know absolutely nothing about the Dodgers including why they are named the Dodgers.
The fact Dodgers fans don’t realize they’re wearing an old school Angels logo on their hats.
The fact Dodgers fans love to fight at the games and in the parking lots.
And really, just a good old fashioned regional rivalry. A’s fans root against the Giants. White Sox fans loathe the Cubs. It is fun.
I would point out that the only homicide that happened in a parking lot requiring the Coroner, was an A’s fan beaten to death by Angel fans. I’ve been going to the Ravine since it opened, and have…
Never.
Had.
One.
Problem.
Me, a lily white guy from OC, maybe 1500 games over the years. Go figure!
(I’m sure someone will chime in with their frightening experience to try to invalidate what I have experienced in 60 years of going to games)
Your mileage may vary, but that just reinforces the Orange Curtain ideas of us in our gated communities, badgering City Councils to keep Wal-Mart and “those people” out of here.
Do you park in the hidden lots near the posh seats????
1500 games? Are you Lyle Spencer?
Same here. I frankly enjoy the Doyer fan atmosphere more than the docile Angels fans on their phones.
I’ve been countless times in an Angels jersey and had fun banter during the games. The “worst” experience (it wasn’t) was a “go back to OC” comment, but even that was a joke since I still lived in LA at the time.
The fact that the Dodgers did everything they could to hamstring the Angels financially when they came into the mlb and made them the “2nd team” even though they were a revival of a fairly recently departed LA favorite team.
Why all the hate for the Dodgers?
I blame interleague. It was all very civil prior. I even rooted for the dodgers when I visited three rivers stadium in 1993. Scioscia hit a home run and I jumped up and clapped and nearly got my ass kicked.
After 1997 the fans became much more confrontational and I’m done with them. They suck.
I’m just trying to figure out how to blame Arte for the Dodgers in game decision making and the underperformance of their high paid players…. and all the beating on women. They may not have our awesome freak injuries, but Arte somehow forces their pitchers to do that.
I Blame Tommy Lasorda.
If for whatever reason Dave Roberts is fired, I wouldnt mind if the Angels would interview him for the manager position. Anything is better than Buck.
Probably unlikely given he is not a “beloved former Angel” who would automatically take us to the playoffs.
I don’t think Roberts screwed this post season up. Just never got over the shock of the D-Backs jumping out to a 6-run lead.
Ummm… No.
Feeling great today. All the coworkers/friends who are Dodger fans that continually rip on the Angels are quiet. Really enjoyed the choke against Dbacks. The Dodgers are a joke, wining their division how many times past 12yr only for a COViD WS win that shouldn’t count. They are just a big fish $$ swimming with sardines in NL west. Come over to AL and meet the Astros, Mariners, Rangers, and see how many divisional titles you win. They are gonna go hard for Ohtani, hoping having 4 mvp’s on one team will guarantee a WS. F them, go Halos.
I think we would take the recent WS and all the division titles. We’d still complain though about the poor postseason record.
would take the recent WS?
1988? 2020 was Rec League Tournament.😀
Playing in the same division as the Astros, Rangers, and Mariners does present a unique challenge but the Padres, Giants, and D-Backs are no slouches. We have the A’s and they have the Rockies.
I agree that if they had to play the Astros, Rangers and Mariners consistently they would definitely not be waltzing into the playoffs like they do in the NL West.
Imagine if the Dodgers still were in the same division with the Braves and Astros!
The Doyers are suddenly looking very shaky. Betts is 31 with 9 years left on his contract, Freeman is 34. Nowhere to go but down for both of them who had career years. Where is all the SP? Kershaw is washed, the rest are injured or banned for moral failings, except a few rookies like Sheehan and Miller who remind me of some of our young guys. Add in aging vets and platoon players to fill out the bottom of their lineup and the future doesn’t look all that bright compared to the teams that are advancing and others like the Orioles and Reds who stand to get much better as their Young Guns get more experience.
LA equals Losers Always for those Doyers, and I couldn’t be happier.
Freeman and Betts will be fine for a couple more years, of course I’m taking regular season…..
C’mon, Betts has had numerous big post moments over the years. Hilarious that he’s now considered a ‘choker’ based on this particular post season.
That cat can play for my team any day of the week.
Once athletes hit 30 they can physically fall off a cliff
Kind of like buying a brand new American made car and watching it fall apart once it hits 100K miles. Not everyone is going to be the next Tom Brady.
They need pitching. Freeman and Betts did not have a good postseason but they are not the problem right now. Your observation about the contract is very important. Teams need to quit giving players long term contracts past age 35. I would be fine with giving Ohtani a 7 year deal through age 35 but not beyond. I believe he would be a very good hitter for most of that. He was good Mike Trout this year (300/400/600/1000).
The Doyers certainly could use Ohtani the pitcher but he’s probably not available until late 2025 at the earliest . Ohtani the hitter could work in their system but as a full time DH this will really cramp the ever Blue crew’s core strategy of multi position flexibility and DH rotation that has helped led to their multiple season win totals.
Ohtani the full time hitter, despite being position inflexible (is that a term?) works for any organization.
The marketing boon makes him a no brainer for any well managed organization.
Yep that Ohtani marketing goldmine sure will add W’s to any teams record
The Doyers (like the Angels and many other teams) need someone who can pitch a baseball not someone who can pitch Cat Food.
No sh*t they need pitching. Everyone needs pitching.
Signing a guy with Ohtani’s offensive prowess while also being a marketing boon is a plus for nearly any team – particularly LA.
Signing Ohtani doesn’t prevent
the Dodgers, a first tier franchise, from upgrading their pitching. Hell, they’ll probably sign Shohei AND the uber pitching prospect that Kiyo has mentioned a few times.
One doesn’t preclude the other. At least in Doyer Land.
2024 Ohtani is not a need for the waythe Doyers are built. And I’m not so sure ihat he would even be considered a luxury. But I am certain that POBO Friedman and the 4 GMs couldn’t give a rat’s ass on Ohtani’s marketing prowess when it comes to easing their early round playoff loses.
How many runs did they score in this playoff series?
You’re totally right, they couldn’t use Ohtani at all.
Two things can be true at the same time. They need more pitching and Ohtani would be a net positive signing for them.
Poo Poo the marketing all you want, but the increased revenue helps pay for the luxury tax. That’s not nothing
Correct.
when talking about Miller here, we have to talk about Detmers. L’ville teammates. Angels picked Reid #9 and LAD picked Miller at #15 iircc.
Detmers has been better and believe he was more regarded out of college
Man. How good would that Twins lineup be if Lewis, Buxton, and Kirilloff could all stay healthy? Probably similar to how we could be if Trout, Rendon and crew could all stay healthy. We’ve seen Trout and Rendon when healthy. I think we’d see a very special season out of one of those three Twins if they could stay on the field feeling good for a season. The best ability is availability. Lewis and Buxton have HOF talent. Kirilloff can flat-out hit but none of them have been fully healthy.
There are surely some delicious, salty tears right now on MSM, ESPN, Twitter, etc., on the Dodgers getting swept. Let’s face it, all these talking heads just want – make that practically praying, begging – for the Dodgers to win the WS so that there’s no more doubt in their minds that Shohei will go to the Dodgers and they can all kiss his ass in Dodger Blue next year. In their minds, had the Dodgers won the WS this year, that would have made Shohei’s decision for him. Never mind that the guy has a mind of his own and may have different things he’s looking for in his next/new/old home, other than where all these pundits want him to go.
Let’s go Snakes!!! And let’s go Brandon Marsh! Anyone but the trash-bangers at this point.
You are right, Now Dodgers will have to go hard money route land Ohtani to sway him to sign. They want to keep JD Martinez too after his career yr, but how does that situation work for the DH? Plus Dodger nation saying Blake Snell will be theirs also. How much is enough for that blue ego
IMO JD Martinez would be a great pickup for the Angels to rotate through the DH spot .( although we would still be devoid in LHB power) We could then focus on pitching pitching and more pitching which ultimately will decide our 2024 fate
Oh my, Tinseltown’s darlings are kept out of the pool in Arizona.
Dave Roberts should bring some boxes to work Monday morning.
Doyer pool has doooooty in it!
How cool is it to be Brandon Marsh right now? Second year of post-season play. Went 3 for 4 with a home run and a double yesterday.
Will always love Captain Caveman !!
Rather condemning for the Halos organization. They can’t find a way to win and Marsh couldn’t hit when he played for them. I like Mickey’s potential though if they can somehow get him to swing at strikes.
IMHO Moniak doesn’t bear down 100% of the time. He seems like he has the, “I made it to the show” attitude, when he needs to play on fire. He pro-glides a lot from the dish.
Is it? It all comes down to O’Hoppe’s career success . If he does turn into an all star catcher I still think Marsh was a small but required price to pay.
BTW you realize Marsh is currently just a part time platoon left fielder for the Phillies right ?
Shohei Ohtani wants to win, right?
Cross the Dodgers off his list lol. If Ohtani is going to lose, he might as well lose with his good buddies in Anaheim.
Maybe there is a greater than a 0% chance we bring Shohei back on a 2 year $90 million deal with a player option after the first year? Ah, let me dream…
Agree…LA is a mess and will be a pass.
Idk about mess lol. Dodgers are a model franchise with an inexplicable tendency to choke in the postseason.
All starts with Kershaw. Can’t perform when the lights are the brightest and sounds the loudest.
Great pitcher, and it may be unfair, but it will be his legacy that he chokes in the postseason, and the Dodgers did have weak competition during his peak years (obv not his fault, he can only play against who he plays).
Kershaw is to blame why the Dodgers couldn’t score more than 2 runs in a game against the DBacks?
Never said he was the only reason. But he had a chance to set the tone in the first game, in their HOME turf, and crapped the bed in the process.
Obv, their big splashes of Mookie and Freddie going 1-fer-infinity didn’t help.
Gotcha. Kershaw’s playoff collapses are well documented and he wasn’t supposed to be THAT guy this year. Historically, he deserves blame. This time, not so much imho.
Dodgers vaunted offense fell asleep at the wheel. Sucks to suck for them 😌
Shohei with the Mr T starter kit..😀
Agreed. Kershaw has been sniffing retirement for a couple of years now and the production they wrung from his ‘washed’ body was all icing on the cake.
Injuries did them. Something we’re somewhat familiar with.
Which is why I hope Minasian keeps his hands in his pockets and doesn’t try to sign him.
If Kershaw doesn’t retire, I think he only has two destinations – Dodgers and Texas.
I bet 5/80 would get him
But then we’d be out on Wilson
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Need one that says “PROLAPSE” for old Gitcho
How about a Bengie Gil and Adam Kennedy managerial platoon? They can each manage on every other day.
How a bout Buck with Benji as the bench coach and manager in training
Honestly? I kinda like that.
Snakes made my entire year be okay.
Boo-Hoo dodger blue…you suck too!!
Now more than ever wear Angel red.
Has Dave Roberts been canned yet?
Dave Robert’s can’t possibly fix their pitching problems with what he has in the cupboard. Injuries and Urias being an immature, 2 cent head, spousal abuser, doomed their postseason hopes.
Getting swept by the Snakes after another 100 win season will cause some to hit the panic-button in Dodgertown. Unfortunately the Dodgers now will drive the price up on Ohtani more than anyone else.
There’s no doubt they will be desperate.
They’re too arrogant to be desperate.
A Doyer Haiku?
I like it.
No Country For Old Men!!!!
Jayce Tingler for manager in 2024………..You Know Who likes old expensive and crabby stubborn, curmudgeon types like Tom Hanks in A Man Called Otto
Jayce Tingler sucks.
You are wrong here (of course you are usually wrong).
Though Showalter is not likely to get your team to the WS what he CAN do is take young teams and get them to the playoffs. Especially if Ohtani leaves the Angels would qualify as a “young team” with O’Hoppe, Neto, Adell and/or Moniak, Joyce, Bachman, Canning, Detmers, etc all likely to be on the opening day roster…
On three out of four occasions Showalter took the helm of a “young” and “bad” team and led that team to the playoffs within three full seasons. The teams that Showalter took over and then took to the playoffs, (twice winning the Division) were the Yankees, the DBacks and the Orioles. The later two teams won divisions in 1998 and 2014 respectively. The only time he did not take that young, bad team to the playoffs was in Texas. He is good at turning around bad teams, which is what the Angels are.
Tingler on the other hand has really only had two seasons of experience. He took a loaded Padres team to the playoffs in 2020 then lost the clubhouse of that same team the next season and was fired.
So, though there are people I would probably choose above Showalter, one of them would NOT be Jayce Tingler.
Did they really even have playoffs in 2020?
Must’ve since we weren’t in them.
ME>>>>>>you
I’m thinking more like 💩 >>>>>>>>You
…problem is he’d have to be here three years from now….
Yeah, Bill Showalter had THE HIGHEST TEAM PAYROLL IN MLB HISTORY GOING INTO THE 2023 SEASON…….WTF!!! Stayed home and watched Jayce and the Twins in the postseason.
LOL!!! BTW same with Robert Melvin 3K miles away in San Diego who also had a high payroll, and also another OLD GUY who lost the club house (Tatis Jr and Machado say hi) no wonder the Dodgers chose not to retain him and Baltimore unloaded him. Hey, I always said never to go completely ALL IN ON ANAYLTICS BECAUSE INTANGIBLES AND THE HUMAN ELEMENT STILL MATTER.
Nobody calls him “Bill”.
