As you may already know, Phil Nevin is gone. Some other poor sap gets to come in next year and obey Perry’s computer. Award votes are due today. Stay tuned.
Look at all these people showing up to watch baseball. They like us! They really like us!
Julio Teheran got outrighted to Triple-A. He will be a free agent after the season. I guess players sticking up for the ousted Manager can’t help the team. It can only hurt. Bob Boone will probably stick around as Yankees Manager. They are acting like Zach Grienke is retiring. The Mets now have a President of Baseball Operations. Ladies and gentlemen, David Stearns will make a bunch of money for doing who knows what.
Trevor Bauer settled with the first woman who sued him for sexual assault. Of course, Angel Sucks, Angel sucks. Angel Sucks.
Photo credit: Rex Fregosi
Here’s what Sam posted about Minasian firing Nevin—
“It wasn’t (Nevin’s) fault the team ended up in this position. So I don’t see the reason to let him go.” –Current Angels player.
Perry Minasian acknowledged the Angels let Nevin go for the sake of making a move.
so Perry is losing the team….which can’t help this coming off-season. Although this is just one player. It’d be interesting to know how deep this goes.
So let me see if I can understand this. If the Team doesn’t lose more than they win the beloved manager wont get fired even if hes not The Problem.
Got it.
Now if only the players understood this.
The silver lining of eventually losing out on resigning Ohtani is that Trout and three other OFers can rotate through DH. That will (Hopefully) keep Trout healthy and enable Adell, Moniak & Ward to all be at the ML level.
BTW, it worked out well with Salmon, Erstad, Anderson and Edmonds.
Well until it didnt and then we had to settle for a young AK and Ken Bottomlessfries
For a moment, I thought you were talking about the team… but to be fair, they’re both true.
Ha! You’re not the only one…..it’s all the same, Angel, Angels, both bad.
“Thanks for another great season Real Baseball Menz of CTPG. Never change. We’ll do even better next season. Love, Shittyfanjuju.”
Every year is a rebuild of sorts. But you are looking at:
OF Trout, Ward, Moniak, Adell, Rengifo, etc
INF Rendon, Neto, Drury, Schanuel, Fletcher
C O’Hoppe, Thaiss, Stassi
P Sandoval, Detmers, Silseth et al.
Bullpen Joyce, Estevez, Soriano, Bachman, etc.
They need more pitching. Maybe re-sign one vet INF. You know who.
They can compete decently with decent seasons from the above assuming injuries don’t kill it again.
This roster needs a lot of work.
To really compete, they will need 2 starting pitchers (#1 ands #3)
We need a DH who can mash with a good batting average and on-base percentage.
I have no faith in Rendon, and we can’t pencil in Trout for 140 games.
Estevez is hot and cold, and should not be counted on to be the full time closer.
Dude. We are not going to compete next year. It’s time to root for building blocks.
Word
I’d go for some Duplo blocks. Lego is asking for too much at this point.
And a new 3B or RF who can also mash. Trout and Ohtani were not enough.
The problem this year was injuries and pitching. You don’t need superstars to have a quality offense. You need a deep lineup that features 9 hitters that can play right — drive in runs, move base runners etc. It’s why the Rays win games. They don’t have Ohtani and Trout. They play right. It can be done.
you lost me at “drive in runs”
I’m working on a piece about what it would be like to take a breather for a year and reset.
I really think in our rush to constantly compete we’ve cycled through a ton of players and not really given some guys enough playing time to really know what we have. Others will obviously disagree.
You might be right. But they are likely going to do the same thing again next season. The waiting game also has its flaws. Some teams like the Tigers, Pirates, etc are waiting on nothing.
BTW Tradition dictates we will re-sign Shohei next year.
I mean Only the Angels can carry 3 DH’s on their roster
I just glanced at the scores live, and noticed a guy named Devenski pitching for the Rays right now. Is that who I think it is?
There is a gamethread. We were talking about him there.
Oh, I didn’t even see there was a Gamethread when I brought up the site…
If we can’t be sure that we can get a better person for the position, then letting someone go may not be a wise move, at Manager and GM.
I know lots of people here wanted to move on from Nevin, but will we get someone that has more success? Same for Perry.
The other issue to weigh is the *absence* of someone while you are filling the position, and what damage that can do.
Are players less happy about coming here if they don’t know who the manager will be?
And of course, when changing GMs, that causes a big disruption to the whole process.
Minasian quote of the day—
“With losing, there’s changes made. That’s part of it.”
Except when it comes to me.
You’re right M.L. he should have just committed Harakiri on the live Zoom call today.
That would have showed the fans he really cares.
NO! Accountability means starting over from scratch every time you finish last… as in not first. You just get new people over and over again till you win a title. The Stalin method. You also “hold people accountable” by whining constantly about things no one can do anything about. This is how you adapt and overcome. It’s what champions are made of and what made America great.
Why do you hate accountability, Russians, champions and America?
https://youtu.be/kLUktJbp2Ug?si=NlfBNIgkuRMOVKC5
Do they make knifes that long? PTP is a bigg’en.
Thats cruel. But funny as hell.
He could accept a reduced salary. Arte could hire POBO. There’s ways he could be held accountable for the outcome
yayyyy… “held accountable”. Can I get a side of yyyyaayyyy…. “called out” with that?
So, using your thinking, you by fire anybody. Run it back, over and over.
I thought the Platypus’ comments about the blame being his was pure bullshit. If it’s his fault, where’s the accountability for the outcome?
Nevin was hired by the Platypus. The roster was created by the Platypus. Nevin was not ready for the responsibilities and needed to go. But the Platypus gave him the keys and should be held accountable.
It’s all of us, but Phil has volunteered to take the blame for all of us. 🙂
Same practice in all sports since the beginning of time. Guys get fired, the other guy(s) who had much of the blame, stays….. (I guess PTP is staying?)
campanis.wav – Tommy Lasorda on whose fault it is: “Ain’t my f***ing fault? Campanis is the f***ing guy.”
Nevin frequently made the wrong decisions. His wrong decision-making was one of the most consistent things we had all year. Lots of lefts, when he should have went right. Went up, when down was the way to go. Didn’t have the best roster to work with, but………….it’s incredibly hard to keep him. He is easily replaced, let’s see if the next guy is better, we know what we have in Phillip. 100% certain we won’t be seeing him somewhere else, wishing we didn’t let him go.
Wise better be next. And find a 3rd base coach better than what’s his name.
Always fascinating. Whose fault is it? Is it anyone’s fault? And if it’s not Nevin’s fault, why is he not coming back. I know the answers but I had to ask. Will replacing Nevin mean more wins next year. Why not ask what changes could be made that might result in more wins next year. I believe I could hire much more effective coaches and I’m not even in the industry. I’m not a fan of Nevin’s bullpen management and I don’t like some of his line up construction, but He’s far from their biggest problem, unless he thinks their coaching staff is good, in which case, he is one of the big problems.
For instance, one problem they have is they walk too many people. Why is that, and how do you change it. I apologize for trying to be logical.
Frankly, with all this talk of who’s going to replace Nevin, I’m more concerned who will be the Angels’ head trainer in the upcoming season. He seems to be the most important person/hire right now.
Look, it won’t matter even if Perry and Arte throws all the money at him and gets Joe Torre out of retirement – if Trout, Rendon, O’Hoppe, Neto, Drury, Ward, Rengifo, etc., miss significant time, and by July, the lineup comes down to Stefanic, Jordyn Adams, Kyren Paris, Fletcher etc., this team is going nowhere.
Yes replacing Nevin will mean many, many more wins next year. And if Darin Erstad and Troy Percival are hired the Angels will win the WS 2x a year forever on “fire and grit” alone. Don’t you read the posts here? 😛
Please please please…. don’t sign ANYONE for longer than 3 years this winter. Just build a friggin org already.
Of course no rebuild. 2016 continues to be the longest year on record, and still going. So basically the plan is : Mike Trout, Neto, O’Hoppe, Schanuel, Ward (maybe), Drury, Thaiss, Moniak, Rendone for 35 games, Rengifo, a sprinkling of Escobar types, then Detmers, Silseth, Sandoval, Canning, random AAAA pitcher with a bullpen of Estevez, Soriano, Joyce, Rosenberg, Bachman, and whatever other arms he pulls out of the dumpster top hat.
In the AL West, that would be a 78 to 83 win team, unless a sudden cloudburst of magic fairy dust unleashes on them.
You got your work cut out for you Perry.
Just dumb but no one can be surprised. The depth in AL West and East year after year means you have to be a 90 win ballclub to make the playoffs and while there were some nice stories with the kids it just seems more of the same that falls far short annually. I guess the 2024 strategy is prayer.
Thing is…. that’s a rebuild. If they field that, but spend on coaching and the farm etc, that’s rebuilding. Trout and Rendon are pretty untradeable at this point. The rest of that is short term Jed Lowrie types and kids.
Now if they can just formulate their plan, and stick with it, system wide, we may seem some success in 4 years. As it is, this team has been treading water since 2016, with no apparent plan.
Honestly, I don’t think they need four years IF they can get coaching and development together. They have the money to trade for or sign expensive players, they just shouldn’t right now. But they can speed things up down the line if need be.
That aside, who (with a brain) thinks we are slogging out 162 games and beating out Texas, Houston and Seattle if only we just please sign three more expensive players? We’re at least 2 years of off season spending, even if said FAs work out. So why not just “be a man” collectively, take our lumps, and build like the Braves?
is this from 2022?
or 2023?
seems exactly the same as was said last year, amiright?
Fascinating to know the truth…….Being a MLB Ump is not an easy job, to be good at it even harder, takes a long, long time to get there. What is the reason why Angel H. is still an MLB ump, how is he not replaced? Is it their union? Is there not someone in their Ump pipeline that can’t replace him? What’s the point of grading them if the worst on the list (every year) never changes and never gets replaced?
Does MLB like to have a villain ump? Are they afraid of being sued? What dirt does he have that allows him to keep his job?
The MLB doesn’t publicly grade them. That’s an independent organization.
I hypothesize that one problem with umpires is that eyes start to get worse when you age. Ideally umpires would develop their skills in the minors, move to the MLB in their 30s and 40s, and then back to AAA when they start to get worse. But even if moving back to AAA didn’t involve a pay cut the union would never allow it because it would be too big of a blow to their egos.
As to Angel Hernandez, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he was a diversity promotion to the MLB.
MLB non-Public and independent grading I think are the coming to the same conclusion. He is bad at his job, always, every year. Why is he here?
Union.
Nikkan Sports beat writer for the Angels/Shohei, asked on the last regular season day all active roster members what they thought of Shohei, where he would go, and how he was as teammate. The common theme answers were 1) they felt fortunate to be able to play beside them so they can tell their grandkids someday that they played with him, 2) they learned much with amazement by watching him train hard everyday to be prepared for two way performance, 3) they all desire Shohei to remain in Anaheim, but they also mentioned that they were confident that he would choose what would be best for him, and 4) they also appreciated Shohei’s friendly approach and being a great jokester.
He gone
Maybe Fletch won’t start next year @ AAA?
Maybe he has gotten on track?
I think we should take a relatively buy-low flyer on Trevor Bauer.
From a baseball perspective it makes sense, but also
No, fuck him. {October}
Sure seems like MLB already did that (last sentence)
X2!!!
What did he do? I’m reading that he wasn’t charged with anything and actually getting black mailed for things he didn’t commit?
Well he’s still a grade A asshole but thats never stopped us before.
no. f’in. way. te franchise has been kicked enough.
thank goodness Arte wouldn’t allow it.
Agreed
then we could be mediocre (if we’re lucky) and unpleasant!
Or…..then
wehecouldwouldbebecome mediocre (if we’re lucky) and unpleasant!And HURT his Oblique, or TJ, or fracture his pelvis (on or off the field).
Never forget, trAdition.
To tell the truth, I actually thought someone (MLB) would go there once the charges were dropped.
I think he may get picked up next year in MLB, but he will/would be a PR nightmare as he wouldn’t keep his talk hole shut and just be contrite for one season.
Japan looks to be sick of him…..shocking!
NPB loves Bauer, so do Yokohama BayStars. Bauer will most like be a rotation guy for the upcoming playoff games in some 10 days.
Kiyo how dare you share facts when it goes against the collective hate.
(also, glad you’re sticking around for awhile)
His own teammates, in his first week or two of being there, were upset when he did some “Samurai sword” celebration on the field. Bauer has always been a loose cannon, he just won games for teams so they put up with it. Now in post #metoo, professional sports teams HAD to start caring.
The charges weren’t dropped and he was never declared innocent. He said/she said cases are simply impossible to prove to the standard we require in court so the DA didn’t take him to trial.
However, he did admit he beats women for pleasure. Whether they ask for it or not, that’s a horrible look. And considering it usually takes more and more violence for guys like him to get off, that doesn’t bode well for future partners or employers.
Hard pass on Bauer.
I thought he admited to beating her, after she asked him to, (still don’t ever do that… RED FLAG that she would even ask) but if that video is true, she wasn’t beaten at all, unless I’m missing something. I can’t say I’d want him around at all but right now, I’m confused on if he actually did anything. The pictures that she gave were disgusting, but in that video she’s fine… Tell me what I’m missing.
His defense certainly has changed. First it was “she asked for it” and now a heavily edited video makes it look like it never happened.
If it never happened, why say she asked for it?
I’m in the same boat as you.
Considering his long history towards women on social media, his initial defense of “she asked for it” and the multiple incidents that preceded this one, I still think it is most likely Trevor likes to smack women around for fun. Whether this lady knew that and tried to take advantage of it is up for debate.
If I was owner, I think I’d err on the side of caution, and refrain from hiring based on the little I actually know… If I was the owner, I don’t think I’d take a run at him based only on the videos I’ve seen outside of the incident.
Given the Angels recent history, I’d err on the side of looking for good character players.
And to be fair to Arte he has largely targeted guys who care about community service.
Torii Hunter, Vernon Wells, Albert Pujols and more were very charitable.
You’re allowed to be fair to Arte?
And, of course, everyone’s favorite person of good character… Josh Hamilton.
Do I have reasonable doubts about Bauer being guilty? Yes. Do I doubt that he’s a prick? No. Should this cost him millions of dollars? Not really, no.
The judge tossed the restraining order request, which has a lower burden proof than a criminal case, with a pretty damning opinion that the evidence suggested she consented.
That said, I agree on the hard pass. At a minimum, he enjoys (consensually) choking women until they pass out, and he may also enjoy beating them. That’s not something to be proud of even if you are careful to make sure it is “consensual.”
Refused to file, same difference. I’m still surprised someone didn’t sign him in MLB.
He would love to be picked up by NL West team other than the Doyers. He cannot wait for another opportunity to avenge his loss of pride by abandonment by beating up on the Doyers. However, MLB GMs do not want any controversy, like Wander Franco, who will probably be banished from MLB, unless he is cleared by the investigation.
And we thought the Astros got booed at Chavez Latrine.
NO.
WE WAUNT MOAR SUAREX AND BERRIA THEN!
HELL NO!!!
Before the season I predicted (to myself) 4 breakout Angels for 2023:
Luis Rengifo = bang! He’s a stud.
Reid Detmers = incomplete. Reid owes me a 2024 Cy Young.
Griffin Canning = pretty solid.
Jose Suar– = we won’t mention this name again, ok? ok.
Detmers = 2.2 WAR
Canning = 2.0 WAR
Rengifo = 1.9 WAR
Pretty, pretty good. Yall already know how much I love Detmers and Rengifo, but Canning shouldn’t be an afterthought.
127 IP and 2.0 WAR generated after missing the entire 2022 season is not inconsequential. Not crazy to think Canning has some untapped potential left. His advanced numbers from this season are strong.
We just need Rengifo to start showing up in the first half of the season.
Indeed
Make him play Winter Ball but convince him it is the regular season.
Just like Tim Salmon was.
I don’t want to Suarez or Barria take the mound in an Angels uniform again.
Looking forward to the new Brad Ausmus.
None of it matters. If the budget is dedicated to guys who get hurt and the player development apparatus is woefully understaffed/funded/in some cases non-existent if you believe Blum’s article, then the manager doesn’t move the needle.
Dave Roberts doesnt make the Dodgers good. The Dodgers front office makes Dave Roberts successful.
Skeletor – the antithesis of Handsome Brad (Joe Girardi)
Is Brad Ausmus available? What would it take to get him?
4/58, but then we would be out on Wilson.
Angels’ manager is the functional equivalent of the Spinal Tap drummer.
Sans the spontaneous combustion on stage.
Now That would be worth the price of admission. Maybe they Angels can do that instead of blowing up Palm trees in the parking lot.
Arte would ask for an 18′ big A to be placed in the outfield, only to actually write 18″ on the napkin. Built to Arte’s specifications, Trout would trip over it and shred both his ACL and MCL, which would lead to an amputation.
That would be the Angel way…
Hello Cleveland!
So true!!! 😂
Nice
Here is a list of how many series-es this season each player led the team in Actual Runs Produced:
15 Ohtani
7 Drury
4 Trout
4 Moniak
3 O’Hoppe
3 Ward
3 Renfroe
3 Moustakas
3 Grichuk
2 Walsh
1 Urshela
1 Rendon
1 Neto
1 Escobar
1 Schanuel
This team offense is really going to miss having Ohtani in the lineup next year, but it is encouraging that Drury will be around next year. Also, hopefully fuller seasons from Moniak, O’Hoppe, and Trout will help to fill some of the void Shohei leaves behind.
It is impressive that Moose, Grichuk, and Walsh led the team in ARP eight times even though they all joined the team late in the season.
Although he only led the team in ARP once, I am happy with Neto’s production — he had a good ARP during half of the series. I’ll take showing up with the bat for half of the series-es and always showing up with the glove from our team’s shortstop.
I am frustrated that I never got to see a full season of a healthy Trout and Ohtani playing together. Oh what could have been. Oh well. I guess I’ll have to settle for having seen a healthy Trout and Pujols playing together for a couple of full seasons.
The best news in my mind about Nevin’s firing is that it is likely that the new manager will bring in a new team with him. Thames, Wise, the base coaches and the others should all be on the outside looking in soon.
Maybe, but how much input these days does a Manager have to “bring in his team”? They might listen to his input, but Perry is going to want his guys in there, ready to take over. We’re a long way from the days of Billy Martin giving Art Fowler the Pitching coach job.
Well, I have to say that looks like a big win for Bauer. He didn’t pay a dime but HER insurance paid her $300,000, which pretty much confirms it was consensual and she was just in it for the money.
I’m going to quote Jeff above:
“The two sides realized neither could win a he said/she said case and dropped it. As usual the lawyers made out best in the situation.
This has zero impact on guilt or innocence.”
Not in this case. HER insurance agreed to pay her $300,000. Maybe up to half of that was to avoid the cost of future legal fees from defending her against Bauer, but they wouldn’t have offered $300,000 unless they thought Bauer was going to prevail at trial and they thought they would have to pay him.
Also, the fact that she agreed to settle based on a payment from HER insurance rather than HIS, is strong evidence that her motivation was money, not justice.