Phil Nevin Gone as Angels Manager

Sam Blum (of the Athletic) has tweeted out that Phil Nevin will not be returning as the Angels manager.

Technically, Nevin’s contract expired after yesterday’s game, but the team announced today that it has declined to pick up the option year for next season. Blum added that there is no word on GM Perry Minasian’s status but Minasian is scheduled to host a press conference on Tuesday so it seems that the Former Ballboy of Arlington will get another stab at bringing this franchise into contention.

Originally drafted as the number one pick of the 1992 draft by the Astros ahead of Derek Jeter, he was brought on board by Minasian in 2022 to coach under Joe Maddon and took the reins of the team during a late-spring losing streak that season.

He finishes with a record of 112-149 in 268 games over two seasons in Anaheim. That .444 winning percentage is tied for fourth worst in franchise history with the Brad Ausmus whose loan season at the helm of the club featured a 72-90 record. The three worse managerial records are John Wathan’s .438 in 1992 covering for a post-bus-crash Buck Rodgers (whose .447 record remains fifth worse all time here), three seasons of Dick Williams netting a .431 record and the 0-8 season-ending turkey in 1988 by longtime bench coach Moose Stubing. The next Angels manager will be the club’s 23rd as the Angels compete in their 64th season.

Nevin will likely most be remembered for the benches-clearing headhunting incident in 2022 against the Mariners. After nineteen seasons of Mike “zero retaliation” Scioscia it was a new look for the club, although its effectiveness remains in question. Other than that he was dealt a cruddy hand with the ’23 season ending with fifteen players in the Injured List, ELEVEN of them on the sixty-day list. Perhaps he could be credited with being the manager of the Salt Lake Bees and Rocket City Trash Pandas considering how many players shuttled up to the big club because of injuries during his tenure.

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Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago

(After last game of the season)

Arte: This is unacceptable

Perry: Yeah……we need to fire Phil (Hoping Arte bites)

Arte: Yeah, let’s do it

Perry: Okay boss (Breathes heavy sign of relief)

tanana40
Super Member
6 months ago

I do think that Phil was a player’s manager and that he was good at working with many players who were struggling or adjusting to the big leagues. His in-game management decisions were often questionable. With that all said, firing the manager is easier than making the owner sell. This in itself won’t change anything.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Agreed, not one manager is not called into question throughout the season, but the free agents brought in and Loup and others dismal performances weren’t on the manager. When you look down to who’s available in the ‘pen and its between, “OMG”, “OH boy” and “Only one available” what can you do?

Just like when everyone *itched about Pujols being run out there in the 3 or 4 spot everyday by Sosh-Only one manager had the b@lls to sit him down or bat him lower in the lineup. Who has the confidence to bench a player making $20M+ a year? A manager can only use the tools he is given.

JackFrost
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

But this is simply not true : “when you look down to who’s available in the pen and its between ‘OMG, ‘OH boy” etc..” There was a short window where this was the case but for most of the year Nevin had both Estevez and Moore and for a time Joyce and Bachman were in that group, as well as Devenski and later Lopez who Nevin miserably managed in keys spots.

ALOT of the blow saves were caused by Nevin’s stupidity ; in fact the two most important games of the year were : Sunday Night baseball home vs Astros and the first game of the four game Mariners series when we were right on their tails and a series win would have catapulted us over them … Those were pivotal losses and they were ON Nevin.

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Cowboy26
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6 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Im still pissed off He didn’t PH Mous in the Sunday game in a very close game in Colorado the day after the blowout win.

Phillips shrugged it off when asked by the press afterwards despite the fact that the team didn’t utilize their newly acquired vet who career wise was an outstanding pinch hitter compared to his choice of Rengifo.

VladimirTrout27
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

I do feel that Nevin was given instructions from FO on how to manage. That said, I would have rather seen him manage his way vs the calculator system Perry was using. I liked what Phil did at times, but I think this is the wrong team for him.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago

Big mistake firing a manager who has a young core that just got a taste of the bigs this year. I guess Nevin was the fall guy. I mean after all, it should be expected that when your top two “Big hitters” go down, your projected lead-off hitter crashes and is sent to AAA, your big gun FA signing in RF fails, your big FA starter flails you should be able to win games…..oh boy.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago

Yep, we all know had anyone else skippered the Halos, we’d have the best record in baseball. He was the reason we failed in 2023.

(Facetious ray off)

2002heaven
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6 months ago

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Meet Jace Tingler………former Padres manager and current Twins bench coach
experienced and has experience working with big stubborn egotistical people (Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr) not that any of this matters unless he has the same magical powers as two guys who lived thousands of years ago.

Last edited 6 months ago by 2002heaven
Cowboy26
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6 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I’d rather have Bob Melvin. So did the Padres.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

What’s Maddon doing?

J/K

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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You know what I’d like. I’d be stoked if PTP hires the manager. Sure, Arte will be in on it, all owners are, but I say ride with PTP. He’s been at the GM thing for a while, has a B grade track record so far. Has started building a system. If he hires a manager and then explains how that manager will fit with an actual team plan/philosophy that includes the farm and coaching etc…. I’ll be down to give it a shot.

Trout’s a wuss and Rendon’s a broken man. There aren’t any other veterans with the clout to say shit. Now’s as good a time as any to see if PTP can kick it up a gear and align the org a little. I know, boo hoo boo hoo Arte boo hoo splash splash Perry but I’m not sure getting some guy we’ve heard of just to make CTPG guy feel warm in bed is really any better than letting PTP build off of what he’s learned the last three years.

If we hear that PTP made the manager choices and Arte took a back seat I’d be interested.

2002heaven
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6 months ago

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You really love this don’t you!

Angelz4ever
Super Member
6 months ago

“….has a B grade track record so far” Wow, what a top shelf endorsement from gitch….lol

DowningDude
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6 months ago

are you lobbying for Erstad? I get that vibe from you here.

max
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max
6 months ago

Maybe Showalter is the mang for the job. If I remember what my Lyle’n eyes told me, he is really good earlier in his tenures. Maybe a 3 year deal and then transition into someone who will take it the next level, maybe a bench coach he could mentor to take over after year 2-3.

Cowboy26
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6 months ago
Reply to  max

Hey Max I think you are really onto something. Perry became a scout with the Rangers organization in 2003 and then transitioned to be the assistant to the field manager who was….Buck Showalter so they definitely have a history together.

Plus Buck’s wife’s name is Angela and everyone knows how much we’ve been missing Angela here.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I recced you
 😆 

steelgolf
Super Member
6 months ago

Phil, if only you would have re-assigned the 3rd base coach to a position less ……. in game relevant, then you might have just barely snuck into another season.

Cowboy26
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6 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

They Should have moved him to pitching coach . The Angels don’t seem to think that position is very relevant

2002heaven
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6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

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 😄  😆  😜  😜  💪  💪 

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Cowboy26
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6 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Voted in 2023 as MLB’s most punchable face.

He ran our minor league system for 4 years. He did such a great job back then we should bring him back again.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

But. Was that his choice, or an edict from upstairs?

h27kim
Trusted Member
6 months ago

One important question is where will the next manager fit in the organization?

If the team is run well, the entire baseball organization operates coherently and the manager is a part thereof.

We do not have this. Especially after last few years, I think we have to admit that, as far as “competence” goes, Soth was probably the “best* manager we had, but was also a part of the problem, too happily playing power politics that subverted the organization. But since baseball is not that important to Kuhl and the gang (and Arte), it wouldn’t matter who becomes the manager, and, if we do get anyone with a big reputation, it would actually foster more chaos by stoking even more internal conflicts.

JackFrost
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

Disagree about Soth. He was a liability, especially at the end. Really his last 5-6 years he was …. Maddon was the best. However, he did not have the pieces and roster that Nevin had this season.

clover_black
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Love the Maddon revisionist history as if that guy wasn’t a complete dope.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  clover_black

Yeah. Maddon sucked. But he was old. But he wore funny clothes sometimes. Plus, 2002. So if you are also an old man who likes to tell himself he’s still “got it” then Maddon was a pretty good Angels manager. I loved him. I also love Tommy Bahama.

2002heaven
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6 months ago

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this image probably circa 2004, when the team was still good since he’s smiling.

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DowningDude
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6 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

I swear that image is Rev Halofan’s image and he’s cropped out.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  clover_black

What did he do again in 2016, because I forgot already.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

And yet it did matter
He shouldve had Jaime Barria pitch to Cade Marlowe instead of Carlos Estevez.

Last edited 6 months ago by 2002heaven
Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Before they hire anyone they need to decide if they are attempting to win next year or waiting until some point in the future. My guess, for better or worse, is Arte will want to at least pretend they are trying to win. maybe, because of his age, maybe he will not worry about making money for a few years and spend above the cap. Can Perry do that intelligently? is it even possible? How far is the major leagus roster away from being good? They definitely need all new coaches.

DowningDude
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6 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

😆 that would require some sort of PLAN at building a proper baseball organization – something the billboard geniuses don’t seem to know how to do

JakeTaylor
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Good. Perry next please.

JackFrost
Super Member
6 months ago

Hallelujah !!!

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
6 months ago

I still think Maddon shouldn’t have been fired.

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Concur

Mia
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Mia
6 months ago

No one survives a losing streak like that.

JackFrost
Super Member
6 months ago

You and I agree on this point Eric.

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FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago

Maddon phoned it in, I think his downfall has been clearly explained

JackFrost
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

It was clearly explained

By me!

And it is not what most people think…

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

So you’re saying the mohawk that was never unveiled would nave righted the ship?

JackFrost
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I know you are joking Cowboy, but hopefully you remember my analysis of that whole situation.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Cowboy26

Cowboy, if you still remember Jack’s analysis of that situation then you need way more shit to think about in your life…. or more booze and drugs.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

what?

DowningDude
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Gotta love a manager who shows up 30 minutes before first pitch

2002heaven
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

lets see steelgolf, BOI26. Max, H27Kim do any of these people have a suggestion on somebody that’s better AND AVAILABLE TO HIRE SO DON’T MENTION ANYBODY WHO’S ALREADY WORKING FOR A PLAYOFF TEAM RIGHT NOW. Amazing how Bob Melvin, Joe Girardi both can’t even tie their shoes anymore and yet they had a lot of previous success.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Word!!!

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago

It will be fun to watch. Arte’s favorite son, Trout, going out of his way to provide his support for Nevin, then boom. I’m hoping Mike storms into the office and tells Arte to “get me the f–k out of here.” Mike needs to start laying demands on Arte’s doorstep and calling him out.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

But Mike is not a leader

Brent
Super Member
6 months ago

Not exactly breaking news. Neto and O’Hoppe have shown more of that trait in one season than he has in over almost 15 years or however long he’s been around.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

O’Hoppe for sure, 2-fold over Neto. Logan was pissed during the Erica interview the other day for getting atta boys for beating a team that they should be kicking the crap out of

clover_black
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Brent

lmfao trout playing with complete bums and hacks his entire career only to get tossed aside in 2023 is interesting.

FungoAle
Super Member
6 months ago

Time to stop playing with his kid and put on the big boy pants. Tired of his passiveness and his apparent decline.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

Yeah. No denying he’s…. not soft….. but he’s sure not a killer.

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Mikey didnt like Phillip that much.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

“Call (insert) out” demands. yaayyyyy….

Fansince1971
Legend
6 months ago

Ridiculous hire
Meaningless fire
Nothing will change
Until they dethrone the Sire

Designerguy
Super Member
6 months ago

Perhaps Benji Gill is on speed dial.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Designerguy

Erstad!

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Sure. He will be so tough and gritty, other teams will just be scared into forfeiting. Not sure this is a crew a first timer MLB manager can scare into compliance. Hey! Maybe he can get Percy to cook up a new sticky for the bullpen!
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Marcotor

Just imagine all the men on CTPG with their moistened labias spending all off season explaining shit like grit and spark and 2002 and how THIS is what the kids need. A sudden plague of old farts dying of dehydration from all the discharge. Can’t wait.

Fuck 2002.

RexFregosi
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Designerguy

I’d definitely be bueno with Gil

DowningDude
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6 months ago
Reply to  Designerguy

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GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

What I liked about Nevin, He would get in umpires faces. He would stick up for his player’s. He believes in the Brush Back pitch. For the most part his line-ups. Giving Walsh a chance in RF. Sticking with Thaiss until he came around to be a good catcher.

The other side of the coin…

He brought in Loupy too many times. Nevin used Rengifo to many times as defensive replacement and not the other way around. Not believing in Fletcher. His choices of when and who he called for out of the pen.

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Testify!

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

I really hated his post-game interviews, but I watched anyway. I more than hated his on-field management, but I watched anyway. Maybe I need firing, as I still stick around after all these years Nah-the worst I could do is be a fan of the Asstros…Yahoo-I must be home.

halofansince1978
Super Member
6 months ago

Darrin Erstad Please!!

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Too bad he’s not interested. He’s dedicated to his family now.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
6 months ago

Hopefully his Angels Family

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
6 months ago

Trust me, I wish. Ersty wouldn’t put up with any crap.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago

So the first time Trout or Tony 2Bags gives him a finger, who do you think will win?

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Ersty would break Rendon’s finger.

red floyd
Legend
6 months ago

That’s easy. Rendon’s skeleton is made of glass.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
6 months ago

From DiGiovanna: Nice scoop and analysis here by Sam, who gets the Knives Out: “Angels owner Arte Moreno will be on his fifth MGR since 2018. He doesn’t look inward when it comes to assessing his team, but assigns blame easily. And it’s hard to know how any MGR is going to fix this team’s woes.”

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
6 months ago

Very accurate in the assessment.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Legend
6 months ago

Another way to look at it is:

Arte knows he cheaps out on assistants and that none of them are qualified to manage a team.

BannedInLA
Super Member
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

This is often stated, but can anyone quantify this with more
detail?

What is the typical salary range for “quality assistants” versus what Arte is supposedly paying?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Who are the cheap assistants? How much cheaper than normal are they? How many are there and what do they NOT do that the normal priced assistants in other orgs do? How many of these uncheap assistants do, say…. the Brewers have compared to us? The Rangers?

I’m not joking. I’d like to actually know this stuff at some point.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
6 months ago

But.. Erstad! He will scare other teams into losing to us!

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

Exactly because he was a All American punter you know.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Marcotor

I have never understood this. I am not scared of Erstad, and I’m not an athletic 220lbs at 27 years old. I have never understood why getting red in the face and whining is seen as “tough” by some folks around here. I mean, think back to that red assed teary eyed screamer that was on what ever sports team you played on as a kid. Angry bitch is still just bitch.

Why is ANY current MLB person of ANY type supposed to snap to and fly right because Ersty?

Cowboy26
Legend
6 months ago

Breaking News from Mikey DiGiovanna & Sam the Hat:

Water is wet.

Last edited 6 months ago by Cowboy26
WallyChuckChili
Legend
6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Mind Blown!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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6 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Source?

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