LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Neto OK

Zach Neto is apparently OK after that painful at bat in the ninth inning on Sunday. Jared Walsh is making the most out of what remains in the season. He’s feeling a lot better he says. Here is Hannah Keyser giving Shohei Ohtani grief for not talking to the media since August 9. Says Nez Balelo, “There’s really no need for him to address the media.”

The Padres are not a dysfunctional organization according to the Padres. Will Aaron Boone get canned by the Yankees? Boone doesn’t know. The Red Sox are reportedly looking at Sam Fuld as a potential replacement for Chaim Bloom.

This is the Fangraphs 2024 Free Agent Tracker if you want to get an early start on your Perry Minasian articles.

The Reds reinstated Kevin Newman from the injured list and then designated him for assignment. The Braves did the same thing to Ehire Adrianza. In other Braves news, they may use Kyle Wright out of the bullpen during the playoffs.

Erik Pappas is playing baseball for team Greece at the age of 57.

Former MLB pitcher Roric Harrison passed away at the age of 77.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Brent
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9 months ago

https://x.com/Angels/status/1706832365732188572?s=20

Is this the worst lineup this decade?

red floyd
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9 months ago
Reply to  Brent

Go back and look at some of the lineups from the end of 2003. They’re not this decade, but they’re just as bad.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago

sponichi_yanagi just posted on his twitter that Rendon was on the field running!!!!

“No habla Nihongo today!”

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

This is the one you are talking about. Mr. Yanagihara also noticed that Angels team merchandise were 35% off, suggesting that Sho’s stuff are almost gone.
https://twitter.com/sponichi_yanagi/status/1706823546151039353

DowningDude
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9 months ago

Colton Ingram has a locker. Season saved.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Tank Bronze Star recipient

2002heaven
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9 months ago
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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Respectfully I’d prefer Brooks Robinson

Cowboy26
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9 months ago

True. At this point, he’d be really good about showing our players how to cover the most ground.

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

Brooks Robinson, the Baltimore Orioles Hall of Famer who made MLB history with 16 straight Gold Gloves at third base, has died, the team announced Tuesday. He was 86 years old.

https://x.com/Orioles/status/1706785629546111056?s=20

Last edited 9 months ago by Twebur
red floyd
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MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Too bad. Great player, great guy.

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Met him at a baseball show, one of my best autographs.

My niece just adopted a little boy….named him Brooks.

FungoAle
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Great HOFer. This guy was underrated. 1-time MVP, 16 straight GGs, amazing when you stop to think. Iron man as well, no load management, put up large plate appearances year and year. Solid hitter. He and Belanger on the left side were a pitchers dream. Great to look back and read his history. So long, Brooks, RIP.

Twebur
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9 months ago

I’ve been meaning post this, I haven’t watched it yet. Moreno’s eventual Netflix documentary won’t be fun. 😀


Check out 10 of Mike Veeck’s zaniest promotionsNew documentary features maverick executive’s wildest ballpark stunts

https://www.milb.com/news/mike-veeck-documentary-features-his-zany-and-influential-promotions

Last edited 9 months ago by Twebur
Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I have a signed first edition of Bill Veeck’s classic “Veeck’ as in Wreck” – highly entertaining read.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

The ash tray in his peg leg was quite the Luxury.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I watched it last weekend its definitely worth the time.

If you wonder why the Savanah bananas are such a hit you just have to follow the Veecks’ history.

Last edited 9 months ago by Cowboy26
2002heaven
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah, I think I’ll do that!!!
 😆  😆 

frosse
Member
9 months ago

I wonder if Clevinger would be a good fit to return? He has had a pretty good year on a crappy team.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago

I may have an unpopular take but I think the pitching staff was also weaker this year by not having Stassi behind the plate . I know 2022 was even a less than premium offensive performance by the Secret police, but Our younger pitchers in many ways regressed this season despite the progress they made in 2022 and not having Stassi I believe was a big part of that .

I still believe O’Hoppe will be great. Maybe the best catcher this franchise has ever had (hes a got a ways to go to top Molina or Boone though ) but he’s still young and learning. Stassi would have been a great mentor for him .

Jeff Joiner
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I can see that. Take a look at how the Giants staff all took a big step forward in 2021 after Buster Posey came back.

Pitch sequencing is critical. So is framing.

Of course, better coaching and video teams would illustrate what the battery mates are doing incorrectly and help them fix it.

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

This was addressed in Fletcher’s article re: the pitchers’ struggles in 2023. It wasn’t just Stassi – Suzuki was gone too.

The catchers calling those pitches are also a part of that equation, and the difference in experience behind the plate has been dramatic this season.

Chad Wallach has started 112 games at catcher over parts of seven major league seasons. Matt Thaiss, who played other positions for most of his minor league career, has started 73 major league games at catcher. This season Thaiss has started 62 games, and Wallach has started 44.

Last year the Angels’ catching duo of Max Stassi and Kurt Suzuki combined for 1,783 major league starts behind the plate over 26 seasons. Suzuki retired and Stassi has missed the entire season because of a hip injury and a family emergency.

“That’s a lot of years catching experience,” Sandoval said. “To be able to pick their brains day in and day out is something I really miss.”

General Manager Perry Minasian acknowledged the impact of losing Stassi and Suzuki, although he said he’s been pleased with Wallach and Thaiss.

“It’s tough to replace guys like Stassi and Suzuki, especially when you’re trying to develop young pitching,” Minasian said.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Yeah but what does Perry know?

2002heaven
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Not as much as the guy in Seattle obviously.
We’re on pace to win less than last year (73 wins) which was worse than in 2021 (77 wins). Why should Perry still have his job if the team’s regressed every year since he’s been here? Everything’s always personal with you though.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Not sure about that. Hes on the verge of another late season collapse. That would mean that despite the fact the JeDi has had full autonomy for almost 8 seasons and his teams have won a total of 2 playoff games (both last year against the Jays). If you add to that his record tin his Angel GM days then it becomes even uglier over 11 seasons

2002heaven
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Yeah, sure
How about 3 winning seasons with us and 5 with the Mariners……as opposed to Perry with ZEROOOO!! and Eppler with one in NY with a gigantic payroll to boot. The Mariners had a $140M payroll and the Rangers have a $240M payroll and they might just barely get in as WC #3. BTW he’s POBO in Seattle now where as here WE ALL KNOW WHO THE REAL GM IS!!

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Still a loser . Always a loser.

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Sure hope Stassi is able to come back next year.
O’hop might be good enough with the bat he can DH sometimes when Stassi catches.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

The Question is what do you do with Thaiss? Carry him as a third catcher? he has no options left. he can play other positions but his bat is not that strong even though he’s left handed.

So I think it comes down to whether you keep Mous or not. Since Thaiss would then have to become that left handed bat off the bench, Though he does play catcher he’s not going to hit as well as Mous and certainly would not provide the leadership skills that the Mous can.

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’m sure he’s a tradeable piece if he doesn’t fit in with us

Eric_in_Portland
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Moustakos is a free agent so we’d have to make a good offer

Cowboy26
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9 months ago

So….What would it take to sign him?

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

$1 … take it or leave it. I mean if the player wants to be an Angel, he’s gonna be an Angel.

FungoAle
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Because Mouse was an active leader on the club should not mandate he must be re-signed. Agree, offer him a minimum deal.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

C’mon, he’s a relatively cheap “get”’ at this juncture.

FungoAle
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Angels should acquire a solid veteran. Stassi slipped in ’22 and hit 0.180.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The proof is in the pudding.

Twebur
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9 months ago

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

Just look at those Obliques being stretched.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

We’re not the only ones not stretching enough. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/09/reds-matt-mclain-shut-down-for-remainder-of-2023-season.html

This is a pandemic caused by players pushing their bodies to their limits with heavy conditioning and advanced nutrition.

This why Pitching & Hitting Velo is up along with strikeouts

sadnewfan
Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Oh no, was waiting for his return to my hometown Reds, they really miss him. (They’re facing Giolito tonight, which version will show up?)

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago

There is just not enough pitching to fill 30 MLB rosters. The Meltdown of what was a strength for the Angels turning into a nightmare once again showed that pitching coaches make a huge difference, that Sandoval needs a psychiatrist, it’s rare for the Angels to have anyone from the Bullpen succeed two years in a row.

The next Free Agent class of MLB Pitchers is weak at best, so any improvement will undoubtably be from coaching. If or when Shohei parts, the staff will be from inhouse for the next several years, so new coaching is paramount.

No doubt that a rebuild is in order. It will be fun watching the “Yuts” advancing.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago

I’m in total agreement about Sandoval. He’s got a two cent brain out there.

What I find troubling on top of what you said is how often our pitchers go from effective to unusable within a short period of time within a season. Estevez and Herget are two very recent examples of this. It’s understandable with Herget, but the Estevez meltdown was devastating at at the exact time we needed him most. Now we see some weak rhetoric from him about some off-season adjustments, but we all know how that story works in Anaheim.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Sandoval needs to learn lesson number one: don’t think; it can only hurt the ball club.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago

Sandy leads all of the major leagues in giving up unearned runs by almost double to the next highest pitcher.

Now granted we know our defense has sucked giant balls this year but this is also an indication that the guy literally falls apart at the sign of trouble. Definitely someone who is thinking and worrying too much out there on the mound.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

He’s been soft since his little league days in Orange County. It isn’t going to change.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

So youre saying hes another Mission Viejo pansy?

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ugg, Missionites

red floyd
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9 months ago

Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao_0INP14DI

They need to make Sandoval wear a garter belt.

red floyd
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9 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Kevin Costner is part of the two greatest “Don’t think” scenes on film.

This one in “Bull Durham”, and the driving range scene in “Tin Cup”.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

And breath out of his eyelids.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
9 months ago

The concept that 30 teams dilutes the talent pool is so wrong.

Yes, there were 8 teams when Ruth played but the US population was less than a third of what it is today and only white guys on the east coast were in MLB.

There was still enough talent to field the Negro Leagues, Pacific Coast League, and Cuban and Mexican Leagues back then which was over 30 teams.

Between population growth, integration, organized minor leagues, and jet travel the talent pool in America alone has over quadrupled since the 8 team days.

Add in the talent from Japan, Korea, the Caribbean, Mexico, even Australia and there’s even more.

The issue is that between all of these factors plus better conditioning, nutrition, coaching, video work, etc. the talent has become so great anyone less than the best of the best looks horrible.

And the Angels skimp on all of those things.

HalosFanForLife
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9 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

💯

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago

C – Logan O’Hoppe
1B – Nolan Schanuel
2B – Brandon Drury
SS – Zach Neto
3B – Luis Rengifo
OF – Mike Trout
OF – Taylor Ward
OF – Mickey Moniak
OF – Jo Adell

I may be alone on this island — but that’s a fun, solid lineup.

SP – Reid Detmers, Patrick Sandoval, Griffin Canning, Chase Silseth, Tyler Anderson

I believe Detmers eventually blossoms into an ace. Outside of him, yikes. Positive season for Canning coming off injury. Silseth looked good, up until we murked him in the cranium. Sandy will be better next season, how much better idk.

RP – Ben Joyce, Jose Soriano, Carlos Estevez

Joyce and Soriano have the 8-9th innings locked up for the next 5 years. Please trade Charlie Sheen, thanks.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

You forgot Anthony Rendon, Max Stassi & David Fletcher

You also forgot Sam Bachman, . Either way that’s still the worse bullpen in the majors with mediocre starting pitching

Last edited 9 months ago by Cowboy26
GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Who?

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago

I still like Fletch as a 26th man, who might be able to rediscover his swing with some coaching.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

barring injury, Hell be the 27th man going into next season.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That’s okay by me. We’re pay him anyway.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Since we have options with him , The Plumber, I believe Taylor Ward , and maybe one more with Adell & Moniak and of course the kids ( Schanuel, Neto & O’Hoppe) I believe they become the most important players on the roster next season if Perry can still acquire some depth.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Agreed/

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

If Rendone doesn’t retire, which he won’t, pencil him in at 3rd for 30 games. I have no opinion on Stassi or Fletcher.

I have an eery suspicion that Sam Bachman’s shoulder is burnt toast. He hasn’t been able to handle a SP’s workload at any level. Is he destined to become a 1-inning reliever? Me thinks so. Throw Bachman in the ‘pen whenever he gets healthy.

Perry (or whoever the GM is) needs to be more active picking up RPs off waivers — high velo required.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I’d take one good inning from Bachman at this point. I was always perplexed with him as a first round pick. Reliever risk was built in from Day 1.

FungoAle
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9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Impossible. Perry made a bad draft selection?

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Ha ha.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

For all the hate that Rendon generates, it would behoove the fan base to wish for a bit of good fortune health wise with this player.

If healthy, he remains our best 3B and since we’re paying him anyway, we should hope for that outcome.

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Truth. The best thing that can happen is that he can turn out to be valuable.

The worst that can happen is that he continues to be injured.

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I know someone on the inside of Arte’s circle….he’s done some cost-benefit soul-searching. The amount of money he’s spending on player injuries is outrageous. He now plans on pumping a bunch of money into R&D of this product. He’s seeking MLB permission to incorporate this into their uniforms. Not sure how this works with saving everyone from the oblique epidemic of 2023. More hand washing, masking and vaccines are rumored to solve that problem for 2024.

Free the OBLIQUE muscles!

https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1706532613660217529?s=20

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

You’re joking, riiiight?

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

5G Zombie Apocalypse.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I disagree, he’s our worst fielder at that position, with zero power at the plate. What’s worse is his horrendous attitude. That comes from inside him, that’s not something the fans made up.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Odds are that you’ll be proven right in the end, but his first year was very good. And he was healthy.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I hope for Rendon to hit 90 HR’s and an ERA of 1.23.
That’s a little higher than your hope but about as likely.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Brilliant take. Not.

Rendon gave us a highly productive year one when healthy. Fact.

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Renny starting at 3b, I don’t see it happening at all. Neto and O’Hoppe need to come up with better bats and Adell is very iffy. ST is going to be very interesting in ’24. To early to speculate on next season. Plumber may be the new 3b. Drury could end up at 1b and Schanuel could be LF.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago

Stefanic should not be starting over Rengifo. It’s not even worth a conversation to me.

I do think Stefanic can be a bench piece, but his inability to play at SS limits him.

Last edited 9 months ago by Pineapple12
BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

GB is waging a forever jihad against Rengifo and believes (mistakenly) that the Angels “screwed” David Fletcher.

Meanwhile in reality land, Rengifo is a solid & versatile baseball player and Fletcher is WASHED.

I think ‘The Plummer’ is a nice IF depth piece and ideal pinch hitter.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Not sure who’s being more blinded here. Rengifo is still a below average fielder and a terrible base runner that finally broke out offensively. (although he still has negative platoon split differentials against RHP’s)

And you have to wonder how he magically blew out his bicep tendon in the on deck circle. Pumping too much weight at the gym Mighty-Mite? Or is your body breaking down from some Venezuela home town remedy? Inquiring minds want to know.

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I heard via MH25252 (not sure how many 2-5’s go there) that he works out at the same gym as Rengifo. The dude was putting in work.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Well let’s hope MH doesn’t partake in any supplements Renny is offering him or his body parts could literally blow out at any moment. He Could even come down with a case of Obliquitis

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Venezuelan horse testosterone is illegal?

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I guess you’re choosing to ignore his 2022 numbers as well?

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Not following you here. His OPS against LHP’s was about the same stellar numbers for 2022 and 2023 (.909 vs .928) . His OPS against RHP’s went from abysmal in 2022 to just below league average in 2023 (.629 to .727)

According to defensive metrics at whatever position he plays he still kind of sucks.

And according to base running stats and my Lylin eyes, despite larger bases this year, running around them has never been his strong suit.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The conversation is Rengifo vs. Fletcher.

Rengifo had a solid 2022 and a better yet 2023. Meanwhile Fletcher has been putrid for 3 straight years.

As for defensive metrics, despite the cool back flip by Fletcher, he’s lost a step (or two) and doesn’t have the range to get to as many balls as Rengifo at this point. Moreover, people want to give Fletcher a pass for having to play 2B/SS, but ignore the fact that Rengifo plays 2B/SS/3B and OF:

I agree that Rengifo is a poor base runner, but he does have more speed than Fletcher.

If I have a team full of Rengifo’s in the IF/OF versus a team full of Fletcher’s, I’ll take your lunch money all week.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

As a starter next year?

I vote (d) None of the above.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Agree there. The ideal scenario is to have a bounce back from Rendon at 3rd and Rengifo is our IF/OF super sub that gets 350-400 AB’s:

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

How many wasted seasons until the hope on Rendon is extinguished?

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

How long are we paying him?

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

So the “Plummer” is now the X factor?

https://twitter.com/Jared_Tims/status/1706517567630983201?s=20

Last edited 9 months ago by Cowboy26
toad2065
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Hey, don’t we have a guy already under contract at a reasonable price who has proven ability to play second, third and short effectively and lay down a bunt or hit a sacrifice fly when called for? I forget his name, but I sure do miss him!

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  toad2065

We used to have a guy named Fletcher who could do that. But then he lost his mojo and never recovered . In fact he hasn’t posted an OPS over .625 in 3 over years.and about 1,000 Plate appearances ago.

Last edited 9 months ago by Cowboy26
BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Assuming Ohtani is gone, I would expect a play for Blake Snell this offseason.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

We think very similarly, bro. It’s weird and highly affirming lol

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yes, we need an establish veteran to lead the youngsters.

Snell will be 31 on Opening Day…not too old and washed.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

If the crystal ball is accurate, karma dictates that we can pencil in Snell for TJS in the May/June 2024 timeframe…..

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

My man, why even put that JuJu into the Ether !!!

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Juju in the Ether?

or tradition?

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I don’t know where the JuJu ends and the trAdition begins.

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Nobody understands the trAdition……..that’s part of the trAdition.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Jobu knows…refill!!!

jobu.jpg
red floyd
Legend
9 months ago

comment image

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

A guy with FIVE plus walks per nine is a ticking time bomb, which of course makes him a perfect Arturo play. It’s all about overpaying for a career year. Hard pass is my recommendation. I hear Giolito is a free agent. Maybe they can sign him.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Giolito, Lorenzen and Thor? One can throw in Rich Hill to round out the set.

Eric_in_Portland
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Snell is now going a little longer than most of the year. His game logs are full of 5 inning 100 pitch outings. Over the course of the year that’s a lot of bullpen innings.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

The dude AVERAGED 99 pitches and 5-2/3 innings per start this season.Even though 17.5 pitches per inning is on the high side I’ll take that all day long.

I can also accept 4.95 BB’s/9 considering he also averages 0.75 HR/9 and 11.7 K’s/9 hence why the pitch counts per inning are so high

Ironically Reid Detmers has averaged 17.64 pitches per inning, about 93 pitches and 5.33 innings per start but the results have been “less than wanting”

Last edited 9 months ago by Cowboy26
BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Sounds like Ohtani numbers minus the high homer rate. I’ll take it, too.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

A High HR rate of 0.75/9? thats about 25% below league average.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

You work OT to misinterpret me. Shohei has a high HR rate. Snell does not.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Thats True. Snell doesn’t throw the Sweeper.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Sweeper = Hit my shit to next week.

Fuck the Ohtani sweeper.

FungoAle
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Dodgers or Giants makes sense to me. Staying in the NL West would be good for his stat lines. Angels should stay away as they are not in a position to complete for division title.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

He’ll sign with the Angels on a multi year deal with 2 player opt outs. One after 2024 & the other after 2025. Even though Arte never does that he’ll make an exception for his marketing dream.

Last edited 9 months ago by Cowboy26
2GA2Join
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I hope we sign no one with a QO.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Even Ohtani?

2GA2Join
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

He doesn’t cost a QO if we sign him.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

No but it will cost a comp pick in the 2024 draft

2GA2Join
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

It is after the 2nd round, right?
So like a pick in the 70s….
That is so far down that who knows what you’ll get.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Fair take. I get it.

frosse
Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

My concern about Snell is that he is having a phenomenal year and will win the Cy Young this year so he will be very expensive. Angels would be buying high and hope he has similar numbers, which isn’t likely.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  frosse

Your concern is valid, but FA is and always will be a gamble: Shohei is gone and Arte is compelled to complete, A Blake Snell is logical IMO.

2GA2Join
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Yep. I see no point in signing a big expensive single FA that will also cost a draft pick. That is the opposite from what our situation logically dictates.

  1. We are a long way from competing. We need way more than 1 piece.
  2. We need to spend our resources (money, etc) right now to increase depth and floor, to build up a solid team (that you then supplement later on with the big FA icing-on-the-cake signings when the time is right).
  3. Our farm is barren. We need to build it up, and we better have an extremely good reason for making any moves that would hinder that in any way (e.g. signing someone with a QO)
2GA2Join
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

The one exception is doing what I mentioned recently, would be like if we took on big contracts from a team trying to shed (like SD), but in the process taking their good young prospects/players as part of the deal. Basically using huge money to build the farm faster.
Not that I expect Arte would ever approve that.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I don’t disagree with any of this, but the Angels and Arte are COMPELLED to compete now.

This means FA spending. We could do worse than Blake Snell. And have done worse.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Re: . I see no point in signing a big expensive single FA that will also cost a draft pick.

Clearly you do not operate a marketing firm nor have you made a billion via a billboard company. It’s all about “the big splash” (of arte dropping another FA deuce 💩 into the toilet 🚽)

🤑

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

At 102 AB’s this year Schanuel has not burned his rookie status.

If they hold him out for the remainder…fun 2024 ROY Campaign.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

And a potential 2025 post first round comp pick

red floyd
Legend
9 months ago

We’ve got 5 games left. If he gets fewer than 5.6AB per game (and given his walk rate and the teams suckage, that’s doable), he should be good.

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Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Yet he hasn’t walked at all in the last 3 games.

Knowing our team management, they’ll probably screw this up.

Guest
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That’s a nice lineup, but how many games will they be able to play together before injuries make mincemeat of this dream and the Angels are running out a lineup full of third and fourth string players and waiver wire pick ups?

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to 

The over-under is 1.5 games.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I’ll take the “under”

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to 

Perry had it right this year trying to acquire depth. Something we will not have without a better deeper farm system.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to 

I wonder if Urshela, Moose and/or Grichuk figure into the bench mix in 2024 ????

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

What would it take?

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Not much IMO.

red floyd
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

4/58. But then we’d be out on Wilson.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

We could probably resign each of them – but which (if any) do we really want? (and why?).

Grichuk is the only one with an above average season at the plate (103 OPS+), but is also the least versatile of the bunch.

However, if we are going the FA backup vet route, might there be better, and younger, players available?

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

Perhaps, but it seems to me we’ve exhausted our reserves like a late stage empire.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Well, I don’t want aging veterans as ‘reserves’. There are always guys like Grichuk or Renfroe available.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

That looks like one of the worst OFs baseball. I still don’t see Rengifo as anything but a utility guy. Would love to trade him while he may have a little value. Would love to give Stefanic a chance to lengthen our hitting lineup, and live with his below average fielding. Maybe Gio and Mous can return on a team friendly contract for some position flexibility and veteran grittiness.

The pitching is a complete mess, and the current staff from top to bottom has no ability to fix it.

Truth be told, this is a sub .500 team with not enough prospects to turn it around. Look at the Reds and Orioles for examples of great young teams. I’d even trade Our roster for Detroits.

FungoAle
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Not bad, let the kids play, 2024 is a bridge year. I’ll still follow with the same level enthusiasm.

3rd base is a little tenuous with Rengifo as a starter but I’ll deal with it, sit Rendon until he self-motivates or forces a trade

Hoping Trout forces a trade and can flank Ward and Adell with Moniak in center.

I’m willing to give Shanty Singles a year and see what evolves (stat wise, does not fit the position).

Probably the starting 5 pitchers today, think you nailed it. Stuck with Anderson. Maybe a low grade starter to add, Mahle or Maeda.

Angels are not powering past Texas, Houston and Seattle with the way things shook out this year and available help on the farm.

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago

Angels and Mets, Perry vs Billy, are battling for the 6th best draft lottery odds. Ironic, isn’t it?

Angels 70-87
2 vs. Rangers
3 vs. A’s

Mets 71-85
3 vs Marlins
3 vs Phillies

If both teams finish with identical records, (I think) the Mets hold the tiebreaker because we took the season series 2-1.

I expect the Rangers and Marlins to sweep. The tankathon will come down to the final 3 games. It is probable that Philly will be locked in as WC1 and their games against the Mets will be inconsequential. Same thought goes for the A’s when they come to the Big A.

Buckle up 🎢🎢🎢

Pineapple12
Super Member
9 months ago

Mike Trout will be an Angel next season, and for the rest of his career.

Trouty’s comments yesterday should shut down trade speculation for the foreseeable future.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Here is that article and…Mike likes Phil.

Nevin might just our manager next year.

Recall Trout vs Madden…Trout will win!!

https://www.mlb.com/news/mike-trout-addresses-angels-future

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

I Like winning more. Sorry Mikey but maybe Its time you play for a manager you dont like

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I like winning way better too…but.

I say money talks and BS walks!!

37,100,000 reasons you’re wrong.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

Maybe Mikey was crying yesterday because he knows he’s going to be asking for a trade this offseason?

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Trout’s not going anywhere.

Source…the article is clear.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

My take as well. It seems clear enough.

He’ll probably ask pointed questions about the roster, etc, but he’s an Angel.

Here’s what I am curious about: Does Trout go the mat for Nevin?

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Sound like he will…should be interesting

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

I think baseball managers are vastly overrated. I could be wrong.,,

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Why would Trout go to Rev Halofan?

 😆 

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

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DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago

That fills me up with Glee, son.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

English, please?

red floyd
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Going to the mat. Rev’s name is Mat.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

And his last name is glee, son.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

This is a great point. I would like a red ass manager who doesn’t try to be everybody’s best friend. If there’s no fire beyond Neto and O’Hoppe on the field, maybe a new manager can generate some from the dugout.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

It depends on if Nevin is the problem. Coaching is a lot of things, and if having the team play for you works, then it works. Maybe Trout sees some of the dynamics, and forces others out (Wise, Drivetrain, whoever derailed Sandoval and Detmers).

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago

Does it matter? No manager is turning this mess into a winning team. The problem is coaching. Can Nevin preside over a complete new group.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

saying that no manager will make the team a winner, and then claiming the problem is coaching is pretty funny

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Coaching a player to improve his technique, versus deciding which players are too different things. Are you saying that better coaching can’t improve the pitching staff, or that Cleveland or Tampa Bays staff couldn’t have made them better.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Trout is untradeable given he’s 32, he’s been injured frequently over the past three seasons, and he’s getting paid $37m for the next 7 seasons. It would be better for the Angels to keep him and hope for the best, then to eat salary and still only get a middling prospect.

If Trout asks to be traded, he’ll need to agree to re-negotiate his contract and give up some $$.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

This is precisely why I’m firmly on the make him a DH/part-time OF bandwagon.

Yes, I’m aware that his recent injuries occurred whilst batting, but logic dictates that his risk of future injury is reduced by playing in the field less often.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

His previous injuries were calf and back, which were not directly related to hitting. I like the DH idea.

FungoAle
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I think Trout is the type that needs to play to fully engage

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I think Trout needs to play in 140+ games and have 550+ AB’s to fully engage.

FungoAle
Legend
9 months ago

There are 4-5 teams with deep pockets to take Trouts contract on; Yanks, Mets, Phils, Dodgers and Giants. Whomever misses out on Ohtani.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Unfortunately, none of those teams need to make a big splash in desperation after missing out on the prize.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
9 months ago

Are they allowed to re-negotiate contracts, I thought the union would frown upon that happening.

Guest
9 months ago

Grichuk’s uniform is so weird. He wears his pants above the knees. But wait — those aren’t pants. He didn’t pull the cuffs of his pants above his knees. He is wearing an actual pair of shorts. And those aren’t socks either, are they?

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steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to 

Is Grichuk wearing red Lululemon leggings?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Just remember…the rose goes in the front, big guy.

red floyd
Legend
9 months ago

No, that’s what Sandoval needs to do.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to 

Those aren’t shorts those are knickers.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to 

He’s wearing culottes

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

Football pantaloon breeches…it’s all the fashion rage.

red floyd
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I thought it was Parachute Pants that were the rage.

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago

🤣

FungoAle
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to 

Always appreciated the uniform rules Sparky Anderson invoked when he was with the Reds and seeing his team all dressed the same

Angelstan
Trusted Member
9 months ago

The more one watches baseball, the more it seems that pitching overwhelms most other factors. Looking to 2024, if the Angels can acquire enough pitching (that’s a big if), a lineup featuring O’Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel, Drury, Trout, Rendon and/or Moose, Ward?? Adell, and others may be enough to get to the playoffs. The makings of a bullpen are there with the young 100 MPH guys and Estevez. They get to drop the salaries of Loup, Tepera, and others. It’s kind of how the Rays do things but it’s possible.

So there might be a chance.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

You get to be right today Astan…pitching is everything.

We need a new manager, pitching, and hitting coaches.

So we are not making the same mistakes over and over.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
9 months ago

We need our young staff to make big strides…. I’m looking at you Sandoval!
Playoffs are a dream, but if healthy there could be enough on paper to do it. Let the offseason begin!! We need to lay the ground rules for the IIWPM series but i believe its’ a bit early to understand our payroll and the entire FA class.

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

I expect the team to throttle down on payroll. Maybe 30 million or so under the cap.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I think it may be a considerably more if Trouty and Ohtani are history.

MarineLayer
Super Member
9 months ago

And we can move Rendon.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

If they dont re-sign Shohei, I show the Angels will be at about $160M next year if they dont make any other moves other than the jettison of the Flotsam. The CBT threshold is $237M so at $207M that gives PTP about $47M on trade and free agent acquisitions. https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/angels.

After cleaning up the 40 Man and I dont see the Angels promoting very much from within- (Maybe 2 players to avoid the Rule 5 draft?) Therefore they should have at least 6 spots (Plus Minor League Contract NRI’s) they will need to fill going into spring training from outside the organization. If they target a major Free Agent SP ( $25M-28M AAV) that only leaves $19 Million to fill 5 spots. That aint much even if your lessor targets are guys like Mous, Grichuk or Gio. And you know how well PTP does in building bullpens.

Good Luck with that.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Who warrants 25-28 AAV that is a FA right now?

Snell made 16M. Sonny Gray signed for 3 years 30M when he was 3 years younger – even coming off 5WAR he isn’t tripling his AAV. I don’t see anyone paying Scherzer or Verlander money for anyone this year.

2GA2Join
Super Member
9 months ago

I think not getting Gray was one of the bigger misses on our part in recent history.
Obviously Eovaldi now too, although I think he is all in retrospect, because I didn’t at all expect Eovaldi to suddenly dominate.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

But we had no way of knowing what shade of Gray we would be getting.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

The injured shade

red floyd
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Eovaldi wouldn’t have suddenly dominated had he signed with us.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

He would have been known as deo-volved-di

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

Insert “Playoffs?!” GIF here

matthiasstephan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Biggiswrth

I think we understand quite a bit. We know Trout’s salary, Rendon’s salary dump, and the few other players that warrant any money (Drury, Fletch, Estevez). Almost everyone else is arb or league minimum.

We have, for the first time in ages, salary space to play with. We can spend some on Ohtani, if he is amenable (still room for this years 30M plus some), but I think we use is on 2 starters and lots of bullpen pieces.