LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Urias is Grass

Was this already in the links? I can’t remember. Julio Urias is canceled. Max Scherzer is probably out for the year with a teres major strain. Jimmy Lambert of the White Sox will undergo “minor” ankle surgery. I hope the guy never read Madame Bovary. The same goes for Dylan Carlson. Right-hander Cole Waites underwent the ever-popular Tommy John surgery. Sandy Alcantara of the Marlins merely has a UCL strain. Ryan Mountcastle is being evaluated for shoulder issues. Padres left-hander Rich Hill cleared waivers. I guess the red-hot Angels didn’t need him.

This year’s free agent class at third base includes Matt Chapman. Please hire the idiot and bat him number nine after Kyren Paris just for laughs. It looks like Alek Manoah doesn’t like going down to the minors. Go figure. Alex Rodriguez is a rat. Who knew? Apparently, dating Jennifer Lopez rehabilitates your image.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago

It will be mildly interesting to see how Fletcher & Walsh perform over the final 2 weeks, but my fear is that they’ll give us a “fools gold” effort and the club banks on either or both for 2024.

That said, we certainly don’t need to endure more of the Paris/Adams gruesome twosome.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago

I just read the MLBTR article on Bloom being let go from the Red Sox.

Got to the very last sentence:

Only the Angels have gone through that same number of GM changes in that same window.”

 🙄 

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Brodie Van Wagenen
Jared Porter
Zack Scott
Billy Eppler

And thats just in the last 3 years.

Sorry MLBTR but I think the Metropolitans got everyone beat on this one.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

They say 4th since 2012…

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I think the Mets are up to at least 6 then

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

Phil Nevin thinks Logan O’Hoppe and Zach Neto are future leaders of the Angels clubhouse.

Full article from a post below about Trout
https://x.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1702378783163162928?s=20

Last edited 7 months ago by Twebur
BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I think Phil Nevin is correct in that assessment. Perhaps that explains why the club didn’t rush Neto back after his most recent IL stint.

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago

What the hell is this Rays-Angels virtual ballpark stuff? 9/20 game will be a “virtual ballpark”

Am I yelling at a cloud?

Claret
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

The stupidity is strong with MLB.com: “The MLB virtual ballpark … allows fans to enter a virtual world that features a three-dimensional representation of the gameplay.”

I’m with you yelling at the cumulonimbus that I can only see in two dimensions because the cloud is too damned far away.

Last edited 7 months ago by Claret
Twebur
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

They better keep the in “game interviews”!

Nothing better than that!! 😀😀🤡👎💩

AngelsFanInHell
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

You must be delirious, since you think Rengifo is good all round baseball player. 😜

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago

He isn’t a good all around baseball player.

He’s the best player on a crappy team and complaining about him ad nauseum is nauseating. 😵

But hey , congrats – you hoped he was injured and you got your wish. Well done.

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

The complaints about Sandoval, Detmers, Rendon and Trout are far more valid. And I’m a Mike Trout stan.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago

Wow, Fletch and Walsh are back!

I guess they’re going to be given another audition…

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

We will win out!
(not)

angelslogic
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

‘Bout time for Fletch. And Paris and Adams are back at AAA where they belong.

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DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

He will make a fine tank first left tenant

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

There was very little that I saw was worth waiting for when watching Paris and Adams. 45-50 grade prospects.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Celsius or Fahrenheit ?

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

40 to 50 – KELVIN. BRRR
🥶🥶🥶🥶

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I’ve never seen an organization show so clearly over and over again they have no philosophy, no plan, and no idea what they’re trying to do

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I’m also a fan of the Portland Trailblazers

smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

From Fletcher’s article, it seems this move is more to getting under the luxury tax threshold. They need to get the “new” salaries of Kyren and Jordyn out of the calculation, since Jared’s and David’s salaries are already counted anyway.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

I was 2GA to read the link, but the entire saga to get under the threshold and the saga that led to that is just another example of the problem.

HaloLew
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Exactly. Let these young guys finish the year and see if they can figure it out for ’24 and beyond. We already know what we have with Walsh and Fletcher. Nothing ventured, nothing gained but this is the Angels we’re talking about.

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I bet we end up like $1 over. LMFAO

WallyChuckChili
Legend
7 months ago

Ohtani is not in the Lineup “again” today.

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago

Is there a game today?

🤣

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

How is his fastball????

Fansince1971
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

He’s on first….

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Who is on first. Nobody is in the lineup.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I saw a t-shirt yesterday that had Nobody in RF.

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago

This is good, he is out of here. Let’s audition the other players.

smithy610
Super Member
7 months ago

Shot to Mike Trout? Is this the start of the end?

O’Hoppe, in particular, has made an impression on the manager.

“He’s that type of frontline leader that, if you want to say that’s been lacking here, it has,” Nevin said. 

It’s no secret that three-time American League MVP Mike Trout is more comfortable leading by example than being vocal, and the former has been increasingly difficult as he’s spent more time on the injured list in recent years. Anthony Rendon, who was considered a significant influencer in the Washington Nationals’ clubhouse, has also been absent for much of his Angels career because of injuries.

Last edited 7 months ago by smithy610
Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Rendon is more of a faux bi-lingual “Influencer” than a baseball influencer.

Such a walking and breathing disappointment.

2GA2Join
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Wow. That sounds a little overboard.

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Nevin’s toast…remember Trout vs Maddon.

FYI: Trout’s not going anywhere…Nevin is.

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago

I like Cinnamon Toast

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I prefer peanut butter.

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago

Laura Scudders or Jif?

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

The ONLY peanut butter with eating is Creamy Jif. All others are mere pretenders to the title.

angelslogic
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

I like Jif, but I also like Peter Pan and Reese’s.

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Skippy Super Chunk Extra Chunky in the Costco 48 oz twin pack. 96 oz of ooey gooey chunked wonderland!!

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Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago

Oh Hell yeah!!

FungoAle
Super Member
7 months ago

Trout loves Nevin and both are out of here

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

A big problem is you’re not a leader, Nevin

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

This is a fact!!

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
7 months ago

Good News – we can’t lose today  😀 …..Bad News – we can’t Tank either  🤔 

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
7 months ago

Base on Balls (BB) or more commonly referred as a Walk. The question put fourth is if the Walked batter scores is it on the Manager? No, it is not.

If the Manager allows said pitcher to pitch to that batter and that batter hits it out of the park, now that is on the manager for not seeing that coming? No, it is not.

It’s the pitcher’s job to get outs and the manager’s job to think ahead.
Example, One out and a runner on First, Joe Bazooka is up, and Joe leads the league in every hitting stat there is including hitting into DP’s, does the Manager signal for an intentional walk? Why yes, he does, and the pitcher induces a DP which lowers his ERA and other numbers that count towards next year’s contract. Both men did what they are paid to do, but more importantly is the pitcher is paid to get outs no matter how they come about.

How about the Catcher telling the pitcher to pitch around Joe and Joe walks, is that on the catcher if Joe scores?

The point is here K*I*S*S, we have enough number dissecting the game, we don’t need more. Hey, maybe I’m wrong here.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
7 months ago

It’s not that the Red Hot Angels didn’t need him, it’s that the Angels are not claiming anyone off Waivers.

No Eppler claims when we are trying to get under the threshold.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
7 months ago

Never liked ARod or steroids, but in this case I still don’t like Arod.

Last edited 7 months ago by Mikeal1st
steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Mikeal1st

Funny part for me was, d-bag A-Rod dropped a dime on d-bag Braun.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago

ASL?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Like fine Wine
Yes please
No more than a plane ride away

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago

Nice

red floyd
Legend
7 months ago

I’m fairly well read, so I usually get the literary references. Never read Mme. Bovary, so, could someone explain that one for me?

Claret
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Emma Bovary persuades her husband to perform experimental surgery to cure the clubfoot of a servant at the inn that they frequent. The surgery goes horribly wrong, the patient’s leg becomes gangrenous, and another doctor is summoned to amputate the patient’s leg. Emma views these events as further proof of her husband’s utter incompetence and has an extramarital affair.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Claret

this is probably a better synopsis than the joke summary I was gonna post that has nothing to do with the story…’cause I haven’t read it either.

red floyd
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Gracias

Angelz4ever
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

The moral of this story is do not buy supposed magic beans from an unknown salesman if your family is starving and you were supposed to be buying food.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

It went over my head….

novel by Gustave Flaubert. The title character, dissatisfied with her marriage, seeks happiness in adultery and finally commits suicide.

Angels number 1 sponsor is a mental health help group. I think they want us to all stay mentally healthy so we can continue to come back and watch the the atrocities put before us every night. Adams alone, on a daily bases has made me question my very existence… why am I here, why do I watch, isn’t there someone else we can bring up?
Arte doesn’t want us to seek happiness elsewhere and follow Shohei to the Doyers. That would be adulterous. And happiness just ain’t gonna happen here.

don’t get me started on why Herget is still on the roster.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago

Intentionally walking a guy to put a run into scoring position to quickly score on a single. What should that be called, I say a mini-Madden.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

More importantly what was the point?

If Suarez is going to be a viable part of this organization (or the league for that matter) going forward he needs to cleanup his own mess ( or in this case it was partially Phillip’s for ordering the IBB)

He threw a whopping 27 pitches yesterday and only faced 7 batters ( including the four fingers) not even facing the entire line up and had struckout the previous 2 batters so it wasn’t like his stuff had degraded.

Jimmy Herget is road kill and I suspect he’ll be floundering around someones minor leagues next year ( and hopefully not ours) there is no logical reason to have him on our roster right now unless we are intentionally trying to lose.

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Free Herget!
Free the Stork!
Free 2 out Meat Balls served on a Frisbee!
Bring Jim Back 2024!

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angelslogic
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Herget pantsless? How dare you!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

“Our future’s so bright because of the yutes, Nevin and the Platypus have to wear shades!”

red floyd
Legend
7 months ago

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MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

That was the point of my post, what was the point. Thank you for explaining the absurdity of it. Everything you say in your post is true.

2002heaven
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

WOW!! Boi did his research!!! he just can’t project or predict
BTW hershal wokker was so awbvuis on yer last reeplye about my Piazza and Dickerson trades. thing is you DIDN’T MENTION these kind of trades where a star player is involved DUZ IN FACT USUALLY WORK OUT IN FAVIR OF THE TEAM TRADING FOR THE STAR NOT THE SELLIR.
BTW hurricanes don’t usually happen in Russia……LOL!!

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

You must be back to huffing again Toots.

I knew it wouldn’t last.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Don’t be ashamed of who you are…that’s your parents job.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

we were on Phil’s case previously because he *didn’t* walk Rodriguez.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago

It wasn’t me. I’m just talking about this bad move.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Phil, because he’s Phil, has a great tendency towards making the wrong move. Know why? Because he’s thinking of something other than winning that game. I can’t say what it might be. Perhaps he wants to allow a pitcher to gain confidence by experiencing a disastrous inning. Or wants to assure the pitcher that he’s appreciated even though he’s giving up grand slams at the wrong time. I dunno.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago

I think you are giving Phillip too much credit thinking that he can actually think.

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

What? Why Phil is one of the great modern day PHILosophers and great thinkers! Who else would be able to come up with this mighty quote: “ We can’t go chasing wins every night”!

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

That should be on his tombstone.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago

Sounds about right.

Guest
7 months ago

I am shocked that out of the Angels’ six-man rotation to start the season (Ohtani, Sandoval, Anderson, Detmers, Suarez, and Canning), four of the six have remained healthy all year long.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to 

Well when all suffer freak injuries over the final weeks of the season, we now know who to blame…..

Last edited 7 months ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to 

You’re tempting fate by even uttering those words. Hopefully Canning, Detmers & Silseth can avoid the fallout from the hex that you just placed on them.

Speaking of which, are we going to see Silseth again this year? Hopefully.

It would appear that Bachman is done for the year which is ironic since I assumed Joyce was done and that Bachman would’ve made it back a few weeks ago.

Last edited 7 months ago by BannedInLA
Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Remember: hangnails are very, very debilitating….

Twebur
Legend
7 months ago

Doyers planned on having these starters this years.
Injuries and women issues has given them….look it up.
And yet they still find a way to win. 

Kershaw
Walker Buehler
Julio Urias
Trevor Bauer 
Dustin May 

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

It’s called having a great organization and a deep farm system that develops suitable replacements.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

But they’ll still choke in the playoffs.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Bowling! Who talking Bowling? The point is except when there is a strike – right!

DowningDude
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Better than only choking in April May June July August and September and never in October.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Apparently we have seen nothing yet.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
7 months ago
Reply to 

Not a healthy ERA for the most part…

Guest
7 months ago

The Angels scored ten runs in their three-game series loss to the Seattle Mariners. Here is the list of how many runs each Angel produced:

2.75 O’Hoppe
2.25 Drury
1.50 Phillips
1.00 Ghost Runner
1.00 Adams
0.50 Grichuk
0.25 Neto
0.25 Escobar
0.25 Moustakas
0.25 Schanuel

This is the second time this season Logan O’Hoppe has led the team in Actual Runs Produced. The first was in the opening series of the season against the Oakland A’s when he contributed to the plating of eight runs.

I like Moustakas, but he has been a limp run-producing biscuit for weeks now.

The ghost runner only had two at bats in this series, yet he contributed more than many of his real life Angel counterparts.

Here is the updated Actual Runs Allowed per Batters Faced for our Angel pitchers:

0.00 Diaz (20)
0.00 Daniel (13)
0.07 Joyce (28)
0.09 Bachman (77)
0.10 Silseth (205)
0.10 Rosenberg (84)
0.11 Canning (462)
0.11 Estevez (255)
0.11 Soriano (166)
0.12 Sandoval (616)
0.12 Detmers (596)
0.13 Anderson (605)
0.13 Wantz (123)
0.14 Loup (220)
0.16 Devenski (140)
0.17 Barria (349)
0.17 Herget (99)
0.18 Suarez (130)
0.18 Reyes (49)
0.18 Mederos (17)
0.19 Ingram (25)
0.21 Marte (23)

Congratulations go out to Kolton Ingram for not having the worst ARA/BF on the team any longer.

Here is how skewed ERA is. Although ARA/BF proves Griffin Canning and Carlos Estevez have been equally effective at not allowing runs to score this year, ERA falsely claims that Estevez (3.41) has been significantly better at this essential task than Canning has been (4.34).

In ARA/BF, for every run that scores, each base that scoring runner advanced is worth 0.25 runs allowed. But who gets credit for the 0.25 runs allowed for the batter who was intentionally walked and then later scores? Jose Suarez was on the mound when Nevin called for him to IBB Julio Rodriguez, but should Suarez be credited for allowing Rodriguez (who later scored) to reach first base?

I have been giving the pitcher full credit for allowing that IBB’d batter to advance to first base (when that batter later scored). But should the manager be given credit for that and the pitcher be given no credit?

The manager had no faith in the pitcher’s ability to get the IBB’d batter out, so it seems like the pitcher bears some responsibility. I’m wondering if the pitcher should split the credit for that batter reaching base and only get half of the 0.25 runs credited to his ARA/BF instead of the whole 0.25 runs.

BannedInLA
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to 

Moose is getting waaaay to many AB’s due to injuries. He’s tired Moose.

He’s much better served as a back up that plays 2-3 times per week, versus 5-6 times per week.

MarineLayer
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Another example of what happens when there’s no farm system, and no one to call up.

toad2065
Member
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

Does your piano play any other tunes?

Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

The Angels have called up Neto, Moniak, Schanuel, Joyce, Bachman, Soriano, Silseth, and Rosenberg, and they have all done well for the Halos this year.

To fill their third base hole, though, the farm has been pretty useless.

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to 

And they have also called up Cabbage, Adams, Paris, Stefanic, Adell, Soto, Padlo, Okey, Wantz, Warren, Reyes, Mederos and Ingram and they have done not so well.

Guest
7 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Are you saying that MarineLayer’s complaint about the Angel farm system is valid?

Cowboy26
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to 

Not sure but what % of the 21 minor leaguers we’ve used this year should be producing positive WAR which, I’ve been told, is slightly better than a AAAA player.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
7 months ago
Reply to 

No Ohtani?

Guest
7 months ago

I remove pitchers from the list when it is clear they aren’t going to be pitching for the Angels this year anymore.

Here are Ohtani’s numbers for this year:

He allowed 48.25 actual runs. He pitched to 531 batters. His ARA/BF is 0.09. He was the best starting pitcher for the Angels this year.

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 months ago

No Halo Baseball today.

Get used to it…15 to go.

But, we will play in Oct!

steelgolf
Super Member
7 months ago

Urías and his ten cent head, just threw away millions in future dollars. Enjoy your next career being the “assistant to the assistant manager” at a tire store.

halofansince1978
Super Member
7 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Or Bubba!!