LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Troll Day

Ippei Mizuhara, Mike Trout, and Shohei Ohtani with some expensive baseball cards.

Cleveland’s High-A affiliate the Lake County Captains are holding a Jose Ramirez Appreciation Week. On Monday, fans named Tim get a free ticket to sit on the grass. They’ll be having a Punch Out Competition in the 80s Arcade. What could go wrong?

Blue Jays reliever Chad Green got hit in the head by a throw from his own catcher while on a rehab appearance in Buffalo. The catcher was trying to throw out a runner stealing second.

The Mariners claimed Ryan Jensen from the Cubs and designated left-hander Zack Muckenhirn for assignment. J-Rod apparently couldn’t resist his chance to troll Tatis Jr.

The Red Sox designated Dinelson Lamet for assignment and brought up Kyle Barraclough from the minors.

Here is your basic bloop home run by Spencer Fairchild of the Reds.

The Dodgers will sign top Korean pitching prospect Hyun-Seok Jang.

Cole Calhoun still gives it his all on defense.

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DMAGZ13
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8 months ago

Ohtani has 9.0 bWAR with over 40 games left. Probably 6-7 starts. 150 ABs. Chance that he winds up with an 11-WAR season?

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

His biggest obstacle is fatigue.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

And elimination

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Isn’t the MVP based on regular season performance alone?

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I meant if the Angels are eliminated from the playoff race (regular season, mind you) they may
1. Shut down pitcher Ohtani
2. Rest him more

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I thought you were talking about pooping…

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Also we’re talking WAR (a counting stat that relies on participation), not necessarily MVP votes.

Last edited 8 months ago by DowningDude
smithy610
Super Member
8 months ago

Shohei said he was frustrated with his pitching performance last night, even though he only gave up an unearned run in 6 innings.

There will be a lot of praises for this pitching performance, but the last few games of Shohei also need to be a warning sign for the teams, including the Angels, who will be on the Shohei sweepstakes this winter.

He’s fatiguing, as any player would, at this time of the season. He’s been taken out of games earlier than usual the last few weeks because of blisters, middle finger cramping, whole body/leg cramping etc.

It’s common sense to anyone that he’s had quite a workload the last 3 years, where he’s able to play full seasons in excellent health, as an excellent two-way player. But it’s also a very valid question to ask of how long can he continue doing this two-way thing successfully, without his body giving out? There’s already some minor red flags. And as that old baseball adage goes, he’s entering the wrong side of 30 soon.

Whoever gives him that 10-year contract will essentially be paying for his 2021-2023 MVP seasons (that happened with another team, unless the Angels re-sign him), and probably 2-3 years of a successful, IF HEALTHY, two-way player.

Then he becomes a very expensive DH (because HRs are sexier than strikeouts). OR a very expensive closer.

As much as I would love to see Shohei re-sign with the Angels, I shudder to think of the backend of that contract, much more than Trout’s.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

How much is it what you are suggesting – the limitations of a two-way player – and how much is it a star trying to push himself and carry a team on his back knowing a ton of players are injured?

He is still playing at an elite level – two ways – and is really hard on himself (emotional in seeing the game slip away the other day) and could really use some of the other star(ter)s to return to take some of the pressure off.

smithy610
Super Member
8 months ago

That’s fair. One could make the argument that on a much stronger team, Shohei could and would have more days off.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 months ago

more of why I think the Fangraph odds can be ignored

The Padres lost again last night. They’re 55-60 in 4th place in the NL West. Fangraphs gives them a 31.2% chance of making the playoffs and projects the Padres to play .570 ball the rest of the way. Why? What have they done this year to make anyone think they’ll do that?

There are columns there, showing projected W-L record and they’ve got the Padres at 82-80. How does that get them close to the playoffs?

Then there’s Toronto. Fangraphs projects the Jays to finish at 90-72 and the Orioles at 94-68 yet they’ve got Toronto with a better chance at winning the World Series. The Orioles are listed with a 50% chance to win the division, Toronto 7% but for the title they have Toronto at 4.6% and Baltimore at 4.0%.

I think there’s somebody’s *opinion* of what might happen, with its inherent bias, that’s jerking these numbers around.

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago

I think the “Smart Guys” make up a lot of this shit. And they know dummies “like me” aren’t smart enough to question them on it.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
8 months ago

The Padres have scored 56 more runs than their opponents. That is 9th best in all of baseball.

The raw math would say scoring more runs equals winning more games. By the math the Padres should have won more games and if they keep outscoring their opponents they should start winning a lot.

As far as the others, I don’t know.

Last edited 8 months ago by Jeff Joiner
matthiasstephan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

That logic would be lovely. Can we spread some of the runs from our 25-1 game to the last series in Seattle? We could sweep them that way. It doesn’t always come out in the wash – that is why they play the games.

Jeff Joiner
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Legend
8 months ago

Which leads to an interesting point. The Angels have a run differential of +11. You take out that one crazy game and we have been outscored by 14 which should lead to a losing record.

I realize the math doesn’t always equal out over the course of a season, but there’s been enough data over the last century that we know how many wins a team usually gets if they outscore their opponents by a certain number.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

It shouldn’t ‘lead’ to a losing record, it is indicative that, all things considered, we ‘should’ have one now. It is not predictive – we can just score more runs moving forward (as the lineup changes, or because it has already).

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think that +11 is already offset by the Angels’ below-expected RISP performance.

Team Batting Avg: .254 (11th)
Team OPS: .772 (5th)
Team RISP Avg: .237 (tied 26)
Team RISP OPS: .707 (20th)

The average RISP Avg is .253. If the Angels were just average, they’d have 19 more hits (which would be at least 19 more runs).

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Other teams that also hit much worse with RISP are the D-backs, Cubs and Marlins.

On the flip side, the Dodgers, Astros, and Phillies (and surprisingly, the Mets) get substantially more hits with RISP.

The Braves are consistently good (1st in AVG, 2nd in RISP).

Eric_in_Portland
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8 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

9th in differential yet 2nd only to Atlanta in projected winning percentage from here on

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

Baseball defies math. That might be one of the reasons why I am forever fascinated with this sport. What kind of mathematical sense does it make when you see the baseball with EV of 108MPH is an out with possibility of double play if it finds a defender’s glove while another with EV of 27MPH becomes an RBI yielding swinging bunt infield hit?

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Fansince1971
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8 months ago

Okay. 4 games in Houston. Predictions?

I’m going with 1-3 not because I am pessimistic. That is what I think realistically is the most likely outcome.

Twebur
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8 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

3 game series, no? Isn’t it Saint Diego?
https://youtu.be/X7E4surv9ic?t=20

Last edited 8 months ago by Twebur
DowningDude
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8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Yes. 3 games. 3 blowouts in favor of Asstros

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Let me make a bold prediction here. Yordan, Tucker and Bergman will all have a great series against us, THAT’S BOLD! Altuve will not need a buzzer to help him figure out our pitching, and Pena will play great defense and contribute at the plate. And here’s a huge prediction, .170 hitter Maldanado will have a fantastic offensive series with multiple two-out hits, that drive in runs. I’ll go out on a limb and say he hasn’t done anything offensively since the last time he faced us…….and their pitching won’t break a sweat against us, even in that “Humid Hell Swamp” of a city.

And finally “The Dancing Barria” will make an appearance for us, 4.2 innings, 6 runs, and we shouldn’t complain, it could have been worse.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I will go the extremely opposite end of the spectrum, the ultimate rainbow farter/arse side, if you will.

As of next Wednesday night, the Angels would be 0.5 GB WC3 and 4.5 GB Rangers. Then the Angels have 40 games to go with 3 games against Rangers, who would have no chance of winning the season series with tie breaker going to the Halos way.

Fansince1971
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8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I stand corrected! It’s 3 games. I don’t know why I thought it was 4.

Okay. My guess is 1-2.

Last edited 8 months ago by Fansince1971
2002heaven
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8 months ago

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Middle Earth Troll Lord Of The Rings
I’m 58 so old enough to remember the late great Ray Harryhausen who was a monster movie genius from the 1950’s the Sinbad & Argonaut movies…..the Cyclops monster and the Talos bronze statue giant!! Go google it and stop bleeding to death with this team once and while!

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matthiasstephan
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8 months ago
Reply to  2002heaven

This place was nicer without you trolling it – even during the losing streak.

DowningDude
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8 months ago

I think heaven 02 is doing a much better job at not poking fun at the site. His recent comments have been on point and non confrontational.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

This is a literal troll with a caption saying to not follow the teams – or bleed to death with them? – after we won two games. This is ‘on point’ how?

Simba
Trusted Member
8 months ago

I’d say it was on point given today’s blog title. I smiled.

As to the bleeding to death, well, kinda on point too – I felt like I was dying after the first two Seattle games. Had to take a break.

DowningDude
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8 months ago
Reply to  Simba

🤣

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

He used to post headshots and act like Jerry DiPooPoo was God. The headshots are gone – wonderful. 🥳

Simba
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I was thrilled to recognize a picture he posted. And it had a caption, too!

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Watch this team sweep the Asstros this weekend, then nobody will know WTF to think.

DowningDude
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8 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

No matter what, two things are guaranteed:
1. Doomers gonna doom 💩
2. Rainbow farters gonna fart rainbows 🌈

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

No “Jake Tapper Face” here at CTPG. This season has been nothing but highs and lows. No in-between.

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

Things are turning well for the Angels. Orioles pulled out a close one to salvage the series against the Asstros. Springer and his manager got just tossed out of the game. The right teams seem to lose when the Angels have a day off.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

Adley Rutschman would have been worth tanking for the rest of the season. I would have considered being a longer term Angels fan if he were drafted by the Angels to dismay of many CtPG posters. Having two Beavs on the Angels would have sealed the deal.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Moar Beavers….

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

He would have been worth tanking for two entire seasons.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Well, after the caught steal, it is now down to 1 and 1/2 season tanking.

Cowboy26
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8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Can she pitch?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

In my younger days, I used to date a girl with last name that was identical to the Oregon State mascot. She did teach me what the nickname really meant, widening my English vocabulary. Now that I think about it, she was pretty good at ‘submarine’ pitching.

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HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Hahahaah you never disclosed this!! Go Beavs. Which brings up sad point many Local Hawaiian kids get in state tuition rates to Oregon State as part of diversity initiative. So I spent much time on Maui with my old roommates and former fiancé from college days. So sad to see what is happening there with the fires. Pray for Maui.

Last edited 8 months ago by HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

When I was in high school in Honolulu, I got to go to Maui for state cross country meet. A friend who was born and raised in Kahului took the whole team to Lahaina for tour in my senior year. So sad that wild fire decimated that beautiful former capital of Hawaii.

Twebur
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HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

This is without question the best Beaver meme / joke there is. Funny enough on the Oregon State version of CTPG several Nice Beaver user names lol

halofansince1978
Super Member
8 months ago

I used to sleep in my Beaver all the time.

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BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Definitely a catcher.

DowningDude
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8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

“Ward? Weren’t you a little hard on the beaver last night?”

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Several of you have mentioned who you would like to have back next year. It doesn’t appear the team will make the playoffs this year, and if they do it would most likely be as the last wildcard. Bringing back the same team with or without Ohtani doesn’t seem like it would lead to a playoff appearance. Taking the non players (Arte, Perry, Phil, coaches etc.) out of it, I’m interested in what you think would need to change roster wise to make the team a legitimate contender, particularly position player wise. I would like to see new hitting and pitching coaches. I think the pitching needs are pretty straight forward. If Ohtani stays we need a #2 starting pitcher and if he leaves we need a #1 and a #2 along with fortifying the bullpen. If you just bring back the same players, even if they’re healthy, I don’t think that does it. Perhaps the needs are too great.

I’ve thought all along they needed a legitimate clean up hitter even with Ohtani so if he were to leave, I think they might need two middle of the order bats and a lead off hitter. Anyway, a penny for your thoughts.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

To answer this query, assumptions must be made about the direction of the team. Is there a blow -it-up component or a compete for playoffs angle controlling? Assuming the latter, much of the roster will likely return. Drury signed a two year deal. Trout is locked up. Rendon is too (no matter what anyone thinks). Neto is strong. Maybe Moose can play 1B? O’Hoppe and Thaiss. Moniak, Adell. Ward. It will likely be the same faces.

For pitching, they likely will take a run at signing Giolito. I personally don’t love his motion or results. But that’s me. Moore would be a great add back. Estevez is signed. You will see the young guys. Like Joyce etc. López would be a good add back. They need bullpen arms.

The names for top starters are bleak. Snell is one. He’s a five inning guy now but reasonably effective. Urias is another. I wouldn’t try to outbid the Dodgers for him.

Mainly, the young guys will need to play better, the older guys will need to stay healthy (will this ever happen?) and some new young talent will need to fill in gaps.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

I believe Glasnow is also available and I’d like him as a back up. Aaron Nola is also a FA and could be another target.

Rhys Hoskins also makes a lot of sense for infield depth at 1B and 3B.

The young core is there.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

I agree with you blow-it-up or compete statement and I guess I was just saying that, if there is an effort to compete, which I believe there will be, just bringing everyone back will just be more of the same, even though I like the young guys and some of the later additions. They’ll still be one of the better teams that doesn’t make the post season.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

The injury problems are key. Plus certain organizations apparently know how to win. Others don’t. Coaching, scouting, player development, culture, etc. all matter. It’s unclear if the Angels have enough of that to compete for everything even if they have luck injury-wise and sign some guys. If Ohtani re-signs, that’s the roster. If not, you have his money, plus Loup and Tepera etc to spend. They will fill some holes. My guess is they will try to compete. But it will be Trout, Ward, Monkiak and Adell as OFs. The same general IF with perhaps keeping Moose. Maybe re-sign Escobar for depth. Urshela would be great but I doubt it happens. Then it’s just the pitching.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

1B and RF are positions that could be filled by an impact bat whether or not Ohtani stays should they be willing to consider it. I would not want to go into the season next year counting on Ward, Moniak, and Adell.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Noted. DH becomes available also. But don’t get too excited. The Angels have to rely on some younger players. And Moniak, Adell, and Neto are part of that. Rengifo might be running around for a while longer also.

2GA2Join
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

This is a really interesting discussion. I read through the replies, including the ones below…. so I see many people saying they think we’re going to try to compete. Is there ever an appropriate time for us not to compete (and do some sort of rebuild)? I’m wondering, because if not next year, then when (assuming they do NOT re-sign Ohtani)?
I thought I’ve seen complaints for years about how the Angels are where they are because they refused to rebuild. We had a huge discussion on that many times. The Angels FO always had the attitude “because we have Trout, we cannot rebuild” and look where that got us. 8 years of mediocrity.

So I suppose I’m much more willing to pause for a moment and consider the rebuild thing.

And of course there is the difference between us saying what we think the Angels SHOULD do versus debating what we think they WILL do, which probably has very different answers. Knowing Arte, I have a feeling he will think he is in the “let’s compete” category no matter what.

I was thinking about this last night actually. If we DO sign Ohtani, that changes everything. Obviously no rebuild.
I might bring back Urshula if he’s healed. I definitely agree with adding a pitcher. Isn’t Stroman available too? I’d let Renfroe walk. Moose has been decent, but I also like the fact that Moose seems to inject some passion into the clubhouse, which we might actually need.

Roy Hobbs
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I agree, it’s an either or thing, and if it’s a rebuild, all bets are off. But if they choose to seriously compete, something needs to change. They can’t have all the same players and expect a different result. As I say that, I’m a fan, and I have developed emotional attachments to most of the players, including Rengifo, who has proven to be very durable and can play lots of positions. But we can’t love them all if we want the results to be different. We have to be willing to make changes and I was just wondering what those might be. One of the challenges is that in order to really compete, Arte would have to be willing to go over the cap because of the current payroll situation. I would actually be ok with most everything staying the same but replacing Renfroe with a real clean up hitter and maybe the guy they just drafted could play 1B and lead off since his strength is getting on base. But essentially they need to replace Rendon at clean up since he can’t be counted on. Obviously, if Ohtani left, they would have to replace his bat as well. In a perfect world, they would spend a little while they developed and in 3 years Rendon off the books.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

There is no ‘rebuild’. Trout, Anderson and Rendon are all signed. Drury and Estevez will be back for one more year. Most of the rest of the lineup is already young – Moniak, Adell, Ward, Neto, O’Hoppe, Thaiss, Sandoval, Detmers, Silseth, Canning, Suarez, Quijada, Joyce, Warren, Rodriguez, Soriano, Wantz.

Sure, we may bring in some FA, but there aren’t a lot of guys to trade for prospects. We all know this. We aren’t full of veterans on movable contracts.

We are a young team – we have played so many new players this year, and we are in line for a better record than we have had in years – probably our first winning record since 2015.

2GA2Join
Super Member
8 months ago

Wow, that is optimistic. I can’t fault you.

An alternative way to look at it is that you take Ohtani away from this team, and you have a below-.500 team. With aging Trout and Rendon. Sounds like time for a rebuild of some sort.

matthiasstephan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

I just don’t see that there is any sort of rebuild possible. We are full of young players as is. Even if you remove Rendon (practically done already) and Trout – you have to replace them with someone. So, is that Adams/Adell and ?? (we have no 3B in the system).

Without trading for prospects, we are back to signing FA to fill the gaps. Will that move us forward? Maybe with the 30M from Ohtani (provided we don’t resign him), and whatever we save not paying Renfroe, Moore, Urshela, Cron, Grichuk, and a few we could sign a starting pitcher or two – or find a 3B. That is hardly a rebuild though.

2GA2Join
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I was just looking at the Athletic article where they list the top FA for this offseason, and let myself imagine what I would do if money was no barrier.

Maybe I’d grab Chapman if the Rendon experiment has ended.

Maybe I’d grab Merrifield, because we really need a starting 2B, unless we want to make Drury the starter, but we still need depth.

Maybe I’d grab Bellinger, because we need an outfield bat, because if we let Renfroe walk, we only really have Trout/Moniak for sure (we don’t really know what Adell and Ward are going to be).

Hader yes please. Reasoning obvious.

The starting pitching is probably our greatest need, and there are a lot on the list… but I’m not sure yet which one(s) I would “trust” with a big contract. So many of them have descriptions like “he really struggled for X amount of time, but if you cherry-pick these two months he is solid”. Or “he lost a lot of time to injury X, but when not injured he is solid”. That concerns me. We want to sign the next Eovaldi, not Rodon.

Of course this is all just fantasy and it is unlikely we get more than 1 of any of these guys, and maybe none. If Arte signs Ohtani, I’m concerned he will sell everything off including the naming rights of the stadium in order to balance the payroll, and we’ll be going to games at “X Stadium” for the next 10 years.

Last edited 8 months ago by 2GA2Join
Jeff Joiner
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8 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

If the Dodgers land Ohtani they are out of the bidding for Urias, I’d imagine.

Honestly I really thought the Rocket City bullpen of 2022 would morph into the Angels bullpen of 2023 and make the bullpen the strength of the team by now but that didn’t happen.

I’d imagine Perry and Co. thought the same thing. Joyce, Torres, and Murphy were just dominant last year. Keynon Yovan was lights out for the 66ers and got moved up to AA where he got off to a hot start this year.

Then the wheels fell off.

I think a position player group of Ward, Trout, Moniak, Moose, Drury, Neto, Urshela, Rengifo, O’Hoppe, Thaiss is a really good start. We’d need a fourth outfielder and a first baseman, neither of which is expensive.

The pitching side of things is different. Sandoval took a step back in a year we all expected him to take a step forward. Detmers had some inconsistency. Canning exceeded expectations. Anderson has been another failed signing but not catastrophically so.

I’d go for Giolito or Urias to lead the rotation and stock up on relievers.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago

This site is markedly more fun when the Shufflebot is doing his Hip Hop in the early 80’s thang.

Guest
8 months ago

The Los Angeles Angels scored 14 runs in their three game series against the San Francisco Seals. Here is how many runs each Angel produced:

3.50 Moustakas
3.25 Drury
1.50 Renfroe
1.25 Cron
1.25 Ohtani
1.25 Rengifo
1.00 Moniak
0.75 Grichuk
0.25 Thaiss

This is the third time Moustakas has led the team in Actual Runs Produced. The only players who have led the team more often this year are Moniak (4x), Trout (4x), and Ohtani (12x). Moniak has been in the bottom half of these lists lately. It would be nice if he got his groove back.

Here is the updated Actual Runs Allowed per Batters Faced for our Halo hurlers:

0.05 Moore (147)
0.08 Soriano (123)
0.09 Ohtani (549)
0.09 Bachman (77)
0.10 Sandoval (478)
0.10 Silseth (151)
0.10 Weiss (25)
0.10 Joyce (21)
0.11 Canning (357)
0.11 Estevez (213)
0.12 Giolito (577)
0.12 Anderson (466)
0.12 Detmers (455)
0.12 Lopez (198)
0.13 Barria (276)
0.13 Leone (146)
0.15 Loup (161)
0.15 Wantz (96)
0.16 Devenski (140)
0.17 Reyes (34)
0.18 Herget (71)
0.18 Mederos (17)
0.19 Suarez (123)
0.23 Ingram (14)

Jacob Webb is now a Baltimore Oriole, so he is off our list. Are Suarez, Devenski, Joyce, or Bachman going to pitch again for the Angels this year? And what about Zack Weiss? He hasn’t pitched since July 27th. His ARABF is good, but his ERA is 5.06, which is typically viewed as not good, but the problem with that is that ERA is an untrustworthy statistic, especially for relief pitchers.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
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And boy isn’t having Drury back in the fold quote nice.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to 

I doubt Suarez is back before Spring. He seems to have fallen off the map. It has become like asking when Stassi is back. Joyce seems to be out for the year also. Devenski and Bachman might re-surface in the 2023 season. Not sure when though.

And having real MLB players like Drury in the lineup helps. That’s why guys like Squid cannot play.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Suarez case is intriguing. The fact that Angels chose not to convert him to bullpen duty tells me that his left shoulder is much more severely damaged and/or he has serious psychological issues. I would be curious to know if Angels attempted to trade him before deadline. I agree with you that Suarez will not return to Anaheim next season.

2GA2Join
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yikes, if he or his family read this, they might be shocked by the “he has serious psychological issues” part…  😮 

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

Doyers signing 19 yo Korean pitcher led me to several points.

-This is partly due to their failure of signing Sho when he was 18 years old. Not their fault, but I am certain they are not a huge fan of Mr. Kuriyama.

-If Jang were Japanese, he would not have signed with MLB. NPB is clearly better at developing young players, especially pitchers. That was evident during WBC.

-Roki Sasaki, whom I do not doubt Doyers targeted, has chosen to remain in Japan. He has been recently shut down for finger blister problem. His manager, Masato Yoshii, has pitched in MLB as some of you know. Yoshii has been understandably prudent in handling Sasaki’s load in preparation of him being posted in 2027.

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GrandpaBaseball
Legend
8 months ago

While Moose is enjoying a resurgence, would someone remind him that we as fans are just not used to 3 run HRs, especially HRs that tie a game up or God forbid put us in the lead. Baseball is fun to watch when guys like Moose are leading the way. 😀 

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 months ago

So much better than the $38 million a year man.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
8 months ago

2/3 not bad, hopefully starts some good baseball. Next up the ASStros.

Go Halos!!

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

This season is wayyyyyy beyond “not bad”

Simba
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Which way?

.500 says “meh” to me.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

On paper, the pitching matchups look bleak for the Astros series.

I day f*ck the paper and go get 2/3 by hook or crook.

Those that don’t want Trout to return during this Texas Two Step Roadie will likely get their wish as it seems likely that he’ll return against the Rays in Anaheim on the 18th….

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I do not think Houston starters look that great against the Angels.

Verlander/France/Urquidy vs Detmers/Anderson/Silseth

-Verlander did not look sharp in the first three innings losing to MFYankees.
-France has pitched poorly in two games against the Angels.
-Urquidy, just off IL, pitched with stinky rust in 3 1/3 innings against MFYankees.

Houston are in the midst of 22 games in 23 days. They are playing today against the Orioles at Camden Yards. (Sho’s high school BFF, Fujinami was toxic last night in giving up 3 straight walks after 2 outs in the 7th inning. 😩 )

They are using modified/confused 6 man rotation. Every game is important, but we especially need Detmers to be his season best on Friday.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Doesn’t matter who Ass’tros start….they can pull up an unknown scrub from AAA and they will pitch well enough to get the win…..trAdition.

It will be the same series it always is in Houston. We know it, they know it, and most importantly the Angels know it.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

That’s why I am surprised that Dusty did not pull Cy rookie against us like Servais did against Padres last night. Perhaps Dusty is learning from Nevin doctrine of ‘cannot chase win in every game.’

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Nevin doctrine of ‘cannot chase win in every game.

but we sure know how to chase our tail, or maybe it’s chasing our ass.

https://youtu.be/zfBG0d5Oj3c

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
8 months ago

I hope that this team wins 14 more in a row, or even more, so we make the playoffs by a one game margin. But reality is the ruler, so it’s still fun to watch Moose, Drury, Renfroe and Maniak doing well and leading the team is Shohei, what would we do without him. My goodness is he ever due for a HR very soon. Might be wrong here, but Shohei needs a couple of days rest, what he does day in and day out is super human for sure, but still a couple of days off may be enough to recharge his batteries enough to keep a winning streak going.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
8 months ago

Kole Calhoun is still playing in Cleveland, good for him. Loved watching him make great plays, hated when he came to bat. Why you may wonder. After pitch one he then would tuck his bat under his arm and proceed to walk over the plate while adjusting his left-hand batting glove while proceeding to walk behind the umpire and then adjusting his right-hand batting glove before getting into the box, then raise his hand for a time out before returning to the box. followed by the same routine after the next pitch. His at bats took forever. I bet the Velcro would be useless in 2 week’s time. 😁 

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago

He was the Enemy Of The Stat for long at bats.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Hey! You’re a poet and didn’t know it!

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

During last night’s Bally Sports broadcast, they flashed these Giants/Shohei nuggets on the screen:

Shohei Pitching:
During Tim Lincecum’s Cy Young year, he had 10.5 K/9IP average.
Shohei Ohtani this year is at an 11.6 K/9 average.

Shohei Hitting:
During Willy Mays’ best season in 1965, he had 10.7AB per HR
Shohei Ohtani this year is at a 10.6AB per HR clip.

steelgolf
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Say hei!

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

There needs to be a stat for pitchers called K+ to compare K rates among current pitchers. I’ll look up Ks/9 in that Lincecum year and this year. I suspect more Ks are happening now

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

8.6 in 2023 vs 6.91 in 2008

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/bat.shtml

Last edited 8 months ago by DowningDude
halofansince1978
Super Member
8 months ago

“That’s called a winning streak. It has happened before.”

https://youtu.be/MLCLMEYp9s0

WallyChuckChili
Legend
8 months ago

According to the video you provided it’s “2 in a Row”.

Need to win Friday for a Winning Streak.

halofansince1978
Super Member
8 months ago

DUH…thank you Captain Obvious!!!

WallyChuckChili
Legend
8 months ago

“Obviously” you missed the Snark. I’ve been posting that meme for years

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

Poppycock

WallyChuckChili
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Lasagna

halofansince1978
Super Member
8 months ago

Malarkey

Simba
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Tofurkey.

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago

I didn’t know Phillip was in that movie?