Angels Win 8-5

There was no scoring through the third inning, but Shohei Ohtani allowed consecutive homers to back to back batters, Chu Man Choi and Henry Davis plus a single by Jared Triolo that didn’t amount to anything because of a couple of ground outs. 2-0 Tigers.

In the bottom of the fourth, Shohei Ohtani walked. Micky Moniak doubled, driving in Shohei Ohtani.

Taylor Ward walked. Mike Moustakas homered to make it 4-2 Angels.

Both Moniak and Ward scored. After a couple of outs, Trey Cabbage also homered to make it 5-2 Angels.

Nick Gonzales was hit by a pitch and Jake Suwinski homered to make it 5-4 Angels. The next three Pirates were out. In the bottom of the fifth, Zach Neto homered to make it 6-4 Angels.

Shohei Ohtani reached on a strikeout/wild pitch. Taylor Ward then got a one out homer. 8-4 Angels.

In the top of the sixth, Henry Davis homered to make it 8-5 Angels. Then we had a couple of strikeouts and a ground out to bring the Angels back up. A quick ground out and two strike outs brought the Pirates back up again.

They didn’t really do anything in their half of the seventh inning. Well, really nothing else happened at all. The Angels won 8-5.

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HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
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8 months ago

Rengifo leading off?? Maybe this is the key to unlock him.. he’s going 2-4 tonight for sure watch.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago

Well, I will say, as crappy as his average is, he has always been good at drawing walks.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago

I’m just happy Phil is keeping Moniak / Ward at 3 & 4 because they are RAKING.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I am so sad.

Not.

DowningDude
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8 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Question: Do you think that’s a real picture of Rendon in a wheelchair?

JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

The picture is not what my comment was about, lol.

DowningDude
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8 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Ah OK. Hard to tell on mobile where i see a hyperlink which turns into said photo when I click it.

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
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8 months ago

Mariners on verge of taking down the Jays again

Claret
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8 months ago

That’s good. We need Toronto to falter.

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
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8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Jays had a chance to tie the game on a sac fly and got scared. Didn’t send Merrifield on Julio. 9-8 M’s 2 outs 1st and 3rd. They needed Hassleman at 3rd lol

Last edited 8 months ago by HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago

Blue Jays lost. Angels are 3.5GB WC3 now.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
Claret
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Good. Now let us hope Seattle takes care of business again tomorrow and then struggles against the Twins and the D-Backs.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

That was the good news. The bad news is Mariners are also 3.5GB WC3. They are firmly back in the playoff race.

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yup and they have better pitching top to bottom than us. Along with Julio and Ty France who have underperformed all year and could get hot now. Wild race

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Doyers beat up the Rangers today too literally. 16-3 and Seager hurt yesterday ( to the IL) and Garcia today . Might be testing their depth the next couple weeks while we hopefully get healthy .. keep chipping away!

DowningDude
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yay!

JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago

I think we have to start being concerned about Jerry’s Kids as well now …We have identical records of 50-48 as we speak..

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

All we need to do is take care of business when we play them……that simple.

JackFrost
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Well, that is not ALL we have to do .. We have to win our other games too !!

Last edited 8 months ago by JackFrost
DowningDude
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8 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

We do? Dang

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago

Revised lineup (IMO)

Ohtani – DH
Moniak – CF
Ward – LF
Moose – 3B
Thaiss – C
Renfroe – RF
Cabbage – 1B
Rengifo – 2B
Squid – SS

Incredible how much a .250 hitting rookie SS impacts our fortunes.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Now if this was Burger King, I would go with:

Plummer – 2B
Ohtani – DH
Moniak – CF
Ward – RF
Moose – 3B
Thaiss – C
Renfroe – RF
Cabbage – 1B
Squid – SS

I think we’re better off defensively with Squid covering ground between Moose & Plummer.

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

It’s seriously stupid we keep playing Rengifo

Claret
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8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Unfortunately, we all know Rengifo is starting tonight. Someone on the team needs to show some moxie because I know damn well Rengifo doesn’t have duplicates of the incriminating photos he keeps in his tote bag.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

Rengifo flashes just enough talent (arm, occasional pop and position flexibility) to hang around and he’s always healthy.

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Man if only he could bottle last years second half. Outside of that stretch he’s never been big league worthy aside from being available

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

The advantage of Rengifo is he is unpredictable and he has extremely short memory. The disadvantages are too numerous to list.
https://twitter.com/SamBlum3/status/1682902567544815617

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago

Hopefully Phil opts for either Ohtani or Stefanovich at leadoff.

Please keep Moniak/Ward where they are now.

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Would be cool to see plumber there. I hate Ohtani leading off. Too ga to look it up but we have gotten destroyed in games where he leads off. .300 winning percentage would be my guess

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago

I agree with you. I like the Ohtani-Moniak-Ward flown in the 2-3-4 spots, but for Plummer to start, Rengifo has to play SS, right?

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Squid at Short .. plumber at 2nd. Can’t believe we keep playing Rengifo it’s so frustrating

Last edited 8 months ago by HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Man Zach is too young to be having. All these soft tissue issues. Gotta get him on some yoga or Pilates workouts asap

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Internal bleeding for Rendon.

Chance that Rendon negotiates a buyout and retires? Would love to free up $35 million off the roster.

Ohtani could get a $20 million raise, keep a cheap OF payroll of Adell, Moniak, Ward. IF will be Neto, O’Hoppe maybe Schaunel . Cabbage , Adams, Stefanic play the other spots. .

I see Rendon’s left over money , Loup and Renfroe’s money for Giolito. Would be a massive development.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

I assume the followings. This information is either via Nevin or via Sammy through Nevin, who are not quite physiologically inclined or physical therapy oriented.

The bone contusion almost always involves some damage to the periosteum (outer layer of the bone which contains network of blood vessels and nerve endings). The impact (in this case, the baseball that was hit by Rendon) causes the blood vessels to break and forms hematoma (collection of blood). Hematoma, while it causes the inflammation and pain, contains white blood cells and reparative elements to start he healing process. Thus, the length of time required for healing is proportional to the size of initial hematoma.

Initial X-ray did not show hematoma; that was just to rule out fracture. With Rendon’s pain not going away after few weeks, I bet he underwent MRI, which is excellent in identifying hematoma and gives information regarding the size of blood collection. So, this is not that unusual, The initial hematoma must have been fairly large and the medical advice now is to give Rendon 2 more weeks and reevaluate. Rendon’s return is now at least pushed to the middle to late August. Would be interesting to surmise who will the first person that returns to action out of O’Hoppe, Trout, and Rendon.

Last edited 8 months ago by Kiyotchan
BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Probably Trout, O’Hoppe and Rendon – assuming Rendon returns at all.

“if it wasn’t for bad luck…..”

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

If I were to hazard a guess, that would have been my choice.  😉 

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

This partly depends on standings as well. If the Angels remain “in it”, I think Trout is back in late August with O’Hoppe not far behind.

If their “out of it”, they’ll slow roll it, particularly with O’Hoppe.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

I don’t know if this is a good omen. Yu Chang, who underwent hamate surgery earlier in the season has just hit a homerun. It bodes well for Trout, who is itching by now to swing a bat.

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Even his bones are soft. With that said, most every team would have reached that diagnosis 3 weeks ago. Not sure it would have made a difference in recovery, but I’d bet it would….I failed out of medical school, couldn’t pass Blood Letting 101, so what do I know.

Last edited 8 months ago by Twebur
BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Did they give you the boot when you broke out the leaches as a treatment suggestion? Haha

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

They still use leeches today. Bad skin Infections, infections in the body, maggots too. They eat only unhealthy dead tissue, eat right up to the edge of the healthy tissue. Rendon should do it.

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Why do you think Rendon would do anything but collect every penny called for by his contract.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Uh no, will never happen. In addition the MLBPA would be apoplectic if Rendon did that.

angelsown3417
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Neto scratched with back tightness…FFS

Cowboy26
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8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

We’re screwed.

Claret
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  angelsown3417

Well that blows.

MarineLayer
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  angelsown3417

Crap. That’s the beating heartbeat of this team

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  angelsown3417

Poop

halofansince1978
Super Member
8 months ago

Go Mets…again!!

Scherzer on bump.

halofansince1978
Super Member
8 months ago

https://fantasydata.com/mlb/daily-lineups?date=07-22-2023

Neto
Ohtani
Moniak
Ward
Moustakas
Thaiss
Renfro
Cabbage
Rengifo

Detmers

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago

That’s a winning lineup, LFG.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

Renfro & Rengifo

We’d be better off with Ren & Stimpy

halofansince1978
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

10 fricken seconds quicker!!!

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

What’s with that angle shot he seems to love?

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago

He’s Sam…

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DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago

I believe he’s not straight.

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

He leans to one side or the other….when he takes his pictures.

Claret
Trusted Member
8 months ago

A dunce traditionally stands in the corner.

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Claret

This is it.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I might be wrong on this, but is it the first time this season that Nevin have the same lineup from the previous day?

Claret
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

It seems so unlikely, but with Nevin it is certainly possible. Even at the start of the season before anyone was injured Nevin changed the lineup each game.

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I like that Phillip kept the left handed bats in the lineup. Huge.

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago

5-1 Doyers over Strangers bottom 3rd.

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

7-1 Doyer. Fredrick F’ing Freeman with 2 HRs

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

10-1 Doyer….it’s a home game for them too. Got to be slightly more Doyers fans there…..at least it sounds like that.

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Difference between Angels and Doyers.

Hershiser was talking about how the Rangers in “real-time” are likely discussing the pitching situation being down (7-1 at the time) in the top 4th . He said the Rangers bench might (likely) talk to the GM from the bench, in game, to discuss pitching options for tomorrows day game. Basically, saying the Rangers capitulate, manage for tomorrow. Playing against the Doyers, I’m sure that’s true.

Change that scenario, Angels up 7-1, top 4, in Texas, the Rangers are not managing for tomorrow, they are managing to win todays game. And the Angels are terrified they will choke that game/lead away……And the Doyers, just go through the motions, and coast to a win.

Different trAditions, different organizations.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

And we win 8-7 in 9 innings after Phillip bows through the entire bullpen.

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

The guy Arte should have sunk his billboard dollars in

DowningDude
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

He would have gone all bitch (Rendon) on us if we had signed him

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Freeman is as money as they come

Claret
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Yes, and Freeman clearly enjoys playing baseball.

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

If he signed with the Angels……Half the stats. True. trAdition.

smithy610
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

If only Oakland will beat the cheaters! As long as the cheaters keep winning, all the losing of the Rangers does is get houston to catch up for the division lead

HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
Trusted Member
8 months ago

I had to check the date on the. Buster article. He conveniently cited 15% fangraphs Chance rather than 4 games out and noting that fangraphs chance was 7 % just 2 days ago. Chances go up exponentially with each win. This last few weeks has been a master class in media hysteria

Twebur
Legend
8 months ago

Outside of the 2002-2009 window, I’ve never heard this much discussion about the Angels from the media. Most of it is understandably dismissive of the Angel organization. Haven’t turned on the radio in my car without hearing Shohei talk. And almost always with no regard for the actual team he plays for.

It’s become my #1 reason I hope he stays with us, so we can rub that shit it their face.

Eat it media!

smithy610
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Yes, it blew their minds when Trout wanted to stay with the team. It will be nice to blow their minds again.

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
8 months ago

I am no fan of Arte , but this is like 90% of CEOs and bosses or whomever. Olney is going to lay hit piece after hit piece especially after Angels twitter went after him and he doubled down in his awful line of questioning to Nevin. Olney is up there with Jim Gray in stupid questions.

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Agree with this.

Halo71
Trusted Member
8 months ago

I know this is going to be another Charlie Brown football thing, but the Angels are getting my hopes up

TrojanBoiler
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8 months ago
Reply to  Halo71

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TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Someone posted this the other day, guess we have moved to the too of the triangle.

Brent
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

T’was me.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago

I dont think the Angels have had an international signing experience any modicum of MLB success since they signed Jamie Barria out of Panama 10 years ago.

But it would appear that cheap and evil Arte has finally released some of that strangle hold on the purse strings which could bode well for our future with the potential development of Quero as well as others like this guy. https://twitter.com/steve_wendt/status/1682608395088719872

Translation for the twitter impaired: Angel Prospect Nelson Rada stole his 40th base of the season for the IE last night. Hes 40 for 46 in bag thefts . Not bad for a 17 year old.

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

He grades out as a 55 for speed so he is not a blazer. Understand his success leans heavily on reading the pitchers. Selective hitter, walks and strikeouts about equal, what’s not to like. Above average arm. 17-year old, crazy.

We’ll see if he survives the trade deadline. He would be a guy that I would ask for.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I identify as Twitter Impaired so I appreciate the translations.

BeachFan83
Newbie
8 months ago

Ohtani is a great player and an incredible talent but he is overrated and his next contract is virtually guaranteed to be a disaster from a performance standpoint.
-He will be 30 the first season of the contract. Hard to overstate how much of a red flag that is
-He is a pitcher who requires a 6 pitcher rotation. Negates the myth of a saved roster spot, and guarantees that a below average (likely way below average) additional pitcher has to be carried. Instead of saving a roster spot, the reality is more like he costs whatever team he’s on an additional .25-0.5 roster spots- between the 6 pitcher rotation and him being a permanent DH who doesn’t play the field.
-He’s a permanent DH, which hamstrings the DH spot- other players can’t be rotated in to the DH spot for various purposes.
-He has averaged around 6 WAR per season since his debut. Yes, he has peaked in the last 3 years (and is having his best season in his contract year- ‘shocker’)- but that obviously will not last. He still has not had a season as good as Trout’s 2 best seasons and he will not remain nearly at his current level because of age (as well as possibly because of injuries).
-His value is relatively evenly split between being a pitcher and a hitter. That means that as soon as he becomes a 1 dimensional player (he likely won’t pitch for much longer, at least effectively), his value will go way down.

His next contract is guaranteed to be a disaster from a performance standpoint and he should be traded. In fact, he should have been traded by last season’s trade deadline at the latest.

Guest
8 months ago

Oh hey! Matt Moore was the pitcher for the Phillies in that famous Trea Turner slide-to-stand video: https://youtu.be/TmdxWPhk7Ug

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
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That slide alone Probably convinced the Phils spend $300 million on him.

BannedInLA
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Pretty Fly For A White Guy.

halofansince1978
Super Member
8 months ago

Go Royals!!!

halofansince1978
Super Member
8 months ago

MFY won…Mets beat Red Sux in the postponed game from yesterday

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Schanuel and a fair number of our 2023 positional draftees debuted last night in Arizona… sort of a group dress rehearsal, it looks like, before the team reassigns them to higher levels. Especially interested to see how Cole Fontenelle does this season… maybe a steal in the 7th round. Maybe sticks at third.

https://www.milb.com/gameday/acl-d-backs-black-vs-acl-angels/2023/07/21/743231#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=743231

Jayman28
Trusted Member
8 months ago

Just have to hope Schanuel becomes a James Loney 2.0 and not a bust

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

hopefully thats his floor and not his ceiling . I would be disappointed with that.

Jayman28
Trusted Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Only time will tell

FungoAle
Super Member
8 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Loney as a barometer would be severely disappointing.

Guest
8 months ago

Fontanelle may still be a little soft.

Cowboy26
Legend
8 months ago
Reply to 

I guess they’ll have to baby him then.