LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Wantz Context

The Angels brought up Andrew Wantz and optioned Kolton Ingram to Salt Lake City. Jo Adell was called up from Salt Lake City, Eduardo Escobar went on the restricted list, and Chris Okey cleared waivers. Okey accepted his outright assignment to Salt Lake City. Arte Moreno didn’t want $2.5 Billion.

The Nationals placed Chad Kuhl on release waivers. They’ll be selecting Amos Willingham. The Mets, meanwhile, will select T.J. McFarland. The Reds selected Jake Wong and designated Randy Wynne for assignment. The Orioles selected Jordan Westburg and outrighted Jose Godoy. Right-hander Nabil Chrismatt elected free agency after passing through outright waivers. The Pirates acquired Andre Jackson.

Elvis Peguero just got his first Major League save. The Mets are now considered likely to miss the playoffs.

The Marlins reinstated Jazz Chisholm Jr. and Jean Segura from the injured list.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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angelslogic
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9 months ago
Last edited 9 months ago by angelslogic
HatcherIsMyHomeBoy
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9 months ago

So in Phil Nevins mind .. Moustakas is good enough to hit cleanup but not good enough to pinch hit instead of Rengifo? Make it make sense!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

At least Adell is accumulating mileage.
https://twitter.com/LAAngelsPR/status/1673838470471757824

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
smithy610
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9 months ago

More details from Fletcher re: the lineup today:

Jeff Fletcher

Eduardo Escobar is landing in OC sometime after 5, so it’s too late for him to start tonight, but early enough for him to be available off the bench.

Also, Anthony Rendon is going to hit on the field today.

Jeff Fletcher

Just talked to Moniak. He said he was a little sore yesterday but today he feels better. He said he would have told Nevin if he didn’t feel he could handle CF today.

Good news on Moniak. Sounds like just a minor boo-boo. Hope it stays that way.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

There was no way based on commercial airline schedules today that he would have made it until 7. That means that he is using a private jet service. Probably on Arte’s dime. I said less than 10% earlier, but pretty astounded that he seems to be going all out.

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Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

What does it matter if he doesn’t play?

Kiyotchan
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

How do you know he is not playing? He can pinch hit for Rengifo once he arrives.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
Jeff Joiner
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Nobody puts Rengifo in a corner.

I mean nobody pinch hits for Rengifo.

FungoAle
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9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Nice to see a player not 100% pushing his way to stay in the line-up, refreshing as hell

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

Trout with an off-day, which is what I was intimating earlier. I think it’s a good spot
for an day off.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Especially considering the Angels record when he sits. I would have loved to see Jo Adell get a shot tonight though.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Same. I was thinking Renfroe would either sit
or play 1B, but Nevin obviously wants Moose’s lefty bat in the lineup against the righty.

Hopefully Adell gets his AB’s tomorrow & Thursday….

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Moose maybe old but he still can play a better third base than Rengifo . And then put Renfroe at first unless that experiment is over.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

This was definitely the day to go Ren at 1B, Moose 3B and Adell in RF.

Now Adell is sent down again. Stupid Waste of options on Adell.

If you needed OF coverage, you have Fletch & Rengifo on standby.

FungoAle
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

#HateLoadManagement

Cowboy26
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9 months ago

So if Escobar is back why is he not starting?

https://twitter.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1673802955164905473

AnAngelsFan
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Because he just got off a five+ hour flight after a stressful morning.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Thats too bad then . Id rather see Jo Adell get an opportunity to play than Escobar just sitting on the bench watching Rengifo screw something up at 3B.

Angelz4ever
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Now, that’s a MENSA rated plan.

halofansince1978
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Rengifo one way ticket to Salt lake City after the game…or DFA?

Twebur
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9 months ago

Adell. Doubt they’ll carry 5 OFers.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

But Hunter Renfroe is a gold glove first baseman now.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 months ago

So, Deitmers has allowed one run in each of his last three starts?

So, we’re saying he’s not showing improvement?

Twebur
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9 months ago

I’d gladly pay you Monday for a win on Saturday?

Monday – 8 Wins, 2 Losses = .80 Win percentage
Tuesday – 7 Wins, 5 Losses = .58 Win percentage
Wednesday – 7 Wins, 5 Losses = .58 Win percentage
Thursday – 5 Wins, 3 Losses = .63 Win percentage
Friday – 6 Wins, 6 Losses = .50 Win percentage
Saturday – 3 Wins, 10 Losses = .23 Win percentage
Sunday – 7 Wins, 6 Losses = .54 Win percentage

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Careful what you wish for. They won last Saturday. Friday and Sunday did not go well.

Angelz4ever
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

We need to reschedule Saturday games to Mondays-Problem solved!!

Jeff Joiner
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Take away Saturdays and we’re a first place team.

RexFregosi
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Monday, Monday – So good to me
Monday, Monday, can’t trust that day
Monday, Monday, sometimes it just turns out that way

https://youtu.be/h81Ojd3d2rY

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

But, Saturday Night’s Alright For Fighting.
https://youtu.be/26wEWSUUsUc

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Lose your dreams (of the playoffs) and you will lose your mind
Ain’t life unkind?
Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday

https://youtu.be/ADtnUC_ctNk

BannedInLA
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9 months ago

Side bar: Trout is second on the team in terms of games played & AB’s.

I wonder if/when Adell gets a start?

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

His frequent off days have been in decline. Feeling strong? Or trying to recapture something and the off days aren’t helping?

BannedInLA
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Not clear. If the batting average woes continue, I suspect we’ll see
a few more off days….

Cowboy26
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9 months ago

I suspect Moniak will get the night off tonight with his boo boo from his cycle fail. This will put Renfroe back in Right field.

Let’s hope Escobar makes his flight in time for the first pitch so Rengifo can go back to the pine.

Tonights lineup guess:

Ward LF
Ohtani DH/P
Trout CF
Drury 2B
Moustakas 1B
Renfroe RF
Escobar 3B
Wallach C
Fletcher SS

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Based on my own experience with US Immigration and Customs and process of being naturalized citizen, holding exam in the morning and ceremony of granting citizenship with 50 to 60 other people in the late afternoon, I estimate the chance of Escobar returning to Anaheim from Miami today is less than 10%

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I was afraid you would say that.

Kiyotchan
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Since Angels won yesterday, to continue good mojo, I will also bite. Besides, it is extremely entertaining to predict starting lineup.

Moniak LF
Trout CF
Ohtani P/DH
Drury 2B
Renfroe RF
Moustakas 1B
Velazquez SS
Wallach C
Fletch 3B

I gotta go out and do my grocery shopping, and will find out the starting line up when I return. Go Angels, get that second win of the series!

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Man you must really love your Squid

Kiyotchan
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Calamari, baby!

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Angelz4ever
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yep, those onion rings rock dude!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

The chance of Escobar making Anaheim today has now gone up to 15% or less. Assuming that he chooses not to attend the ceremony in the afternoon.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
AnAngelsFan
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Even if he flies back in time for the game, they aren’t going to put him in the starting lineup today. At most, he’ll pinch hit.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

If Biden were a baseball fan (I don’t know if he is), he could have intervened for Escobar like Mexican President did for Randy Arozarena to gain Mexican citizenship before WBC.

If George Bush were current President, then I bet Escobar could have taken the test and be declared a citizen at Big A with Arte personally congratulating him.

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Angelz4ever
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

If I was President……we’d all be f***ed…..nvm

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Maybe Arte is having him flown back on his private Jet?

Kiyotchan
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Based on what people at CtPG said about Arte, less than 10% chance.

Angelz4ever
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Is that 15% of the 10% or 15% of the reaming 90%……?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

Looking at commercial airlines schedule, there was American Airlines flight via DFW that gets into SNA at 1900 hours west coast time. So, based on that, it is close to 0% for him to start on Angels lineup. Perhaps 15% chance that he will be able to pinch hit.

WallyChuckChili
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

You’d think he could afford a pair of pants from the adult section.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago

At least he can afford pants (unlike DG.)

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Twebur
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9 months ago

Favorite band The Clash?

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Angelz4ever
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Nope, The Banana Splits forever!!

halofansince1978
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!

Twebur
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9 months ago

‘Merica!

Angelz4ever
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Flippin’ awesome!!

Congrats & welcome!!

JackFrost
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Good for him !!

WallyChuckChili
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Adell RF?

smithy610
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9 months ago

Jeff Fletcher

·

The season is almost at the halfway point (the Angels have played 79 games). The Angels are 42-37

3rd in ALW, -6

5th in WC, -1 behind 3rd

And here are the Big Three metrics I like to follow

OPS: 4th

SP ERA: 19th

BP ERA: 5th

AnAngelsFan
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9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

I’d like to know how much of the difference between SP/BP ERA is attributable to the bullpen giving up inherited runs that were charged to the starters rather than the relievers.

frosse
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9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

As I was researching info on this, I stumbled upon an interesting stat: The Angels are 1st in runs scored in the first 5 innings (225 total runs; 2.85 F5 runs per game). 2nd is Atlanta at 215 runs (2.83 F5 runs per game).

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  frosse

Probably also 1st in giving up the most runs in innings 4-7.

frosse
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I don’t know where to get that info; but, I can tell you that they are 16th in first 5 inning runs allowed (total runs, not earned) and 14th in runs allowed after the 5th inning. Back to runs scored…oddly, the A’s are 3rd in first 5 innings average runs scored and dead last in runs scored after the 5th inning (and last in just about every pitching category)

Fleckstein
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9 months ago
Reply to  frosse

10% of those from one game!

JackFrost
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9 months ago

Guess what ? The umps are at it again !

This time the scandalous call helps Jerry’s Kids in their game against the Nats last night. Situation is bases loaded in the 9th and tying run at the plate in Candelario :

https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1673549915144986627?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E16736620910838

Angelz4ever
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

LMAO @ “Jerry’s kids”

Angelz4ever
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

YOUCH!

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago

Het, good morning to you. A great and wonderful day yesterday was and hopefully today will be the same. I do believe that Detmers deserved better outcome with his great pitching last night, but he is right now the best one-win starter in MLB currently and his next start will probably result in him doubling his win total.

We have been fortunate that our starters have avoided the Injury Bug and are improving with each outing.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

Hallelujah to 6 man rotation. Even Dusty Baker has copied it, little too late for them, though; they already have lost McCullers Jr, Urquidy, and Garcia.

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Shohei, Sandoval, Anderson, Detmers, Canning is 5, I guess you could say 6 counting Barria as a once in a while starter. Our core 5 is pretty damn good if you ask around, but our Bullpen only has to start pitching some more lights out innings and we will be off on a winning streak once again, providing of course the line up stop making so many pitchers look Cy.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

With all due respect, sir, Angels are the only team that have employed 6 man rotation in MLB for the past 6 years. Sure, it was forced on them because of Shohei. I submit to you that the method has a lot to do with Sandoval and Detmers remaining relatively healthy so far without the need of surgery. (Knock on wood) Canning has had stress fracture in the vertebrae few years ago, so it behooves Angels to give Canning sufficient rest between outings.

Six man rotation has been used in NPB for 40+ years. Yes, their pitchers still go thru injuries, but not at that high rate of MLB pitchers. NPB pitchers, if they remain in Japan, almost never go through TJ surgery.

John Smoltz recently mentioned that many MLB pitchers throw too hard right off the start and consequently succumb to elbow/shoulder injuries . Smoltz Maddux/Glavin of mighty Braves knew how to save themselves when pitching. Smoltz recommends MLB pitchers to return to the old way of pitching about 70-80 % of strength to save their long term career. With today’s attitude toward starters going all out for shorter length, Smoltz does not have too many people to support his theory

Baseball in America is just too stubborn to change at times. Six man rotation is a good thing, and Angels have been smart in utilizing the method. If MLB started using Mizuno manufactured baseballs instead of Rawlings/Cost Rica, issues with sticky substance would also magically disappear. Yeah, Made in Japan is synonymous with cheaply made merchandise, so you do have arguments there.  😉 

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Cowboy26
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9 months ago

Dont jinx it Grandpa.

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago

I really liked post yesterday re: WAR of the players through halfway of the season. I think the biggest take I get from it is the WAR from surprise contributors this year, who were barely factors last year. This was the biggest boon to the team, especially because these players are not even breaking significant bank:

Moniak – 1.9 WAR
Neto – 1.9 WAR
Thaiss – 1.0 WAR
Wallach – 0.3 WAR
O’Hoppe – 0.5 WAR

And obviously, Renfroe/Urshela/Drury positive WARs replaced negative WARs of Rojas/Wade/Lagares/Mayfield/Sierra/Aguilar/Ford/WhoeverScrapHeapThatPlayedLastSeason.

Obviously as pointed out, WAR is not the be-all and end-all of evaluating success. But it helps explain why the Angels are 6 games above .500 this season as compared to last. Perry really remade this team and it’s such a huge swing from 2022.

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Being to the fact I was absent yesterday I missed ’71’s WAR post, biggest surprise was Neto’s WAR, biggest disappointment WAR was Renfroe as I would have thought it to be higher.

If Trout and his bat do not come around, he is about to fall off the coveted career .300 Batting Average. Mike looks to hard-to-get walks for a better OBA, he really needs to make contact. Forget that big launch angle stuff, he is still strong enough to hit HRs without the big launch angle. I think because he is Mike Trout, nobody wants to suggest what might be wrong.

Watch when he next plays and bats. When he swings his hands drop very low fot a better launch angle. As the bat is coming up and is over the plate his neck, head and shoulders are all turning straight ahead to the pitcher, even and especially when his arms are extended. Result is missing contact. If he does hit the top of the ball just a ground out or even worse a DP. Hitting under is a foul ball or flyout. Mostly for both results are swing and miss. 0-1, 0-2, and 1-2 counts are results of this swing and miss which leads to a K.

Stick to timing with front foot and eliminate the ticks with the bat when hands are starting way up. This savs a milli-second, but it will work to getting around on the FB. Next, stop dropping the hands so low that creates such a large upper cut. Your hands will aim for the ball better resulting in additional contact.

Finally, Mike’s neck and head are ahead of the swing resulting in him not following the ball and being able to make better contact. Remember when Mike was killing the inside middle and low and in pitches like we had never seen before? Well, he kept his eyes on the ball all the time. When a pitch was over the plate he was able to extend his arms and hit the bat square on and off to the truck in CF. Outside middle, ditto.

Making adjustments as a player age is important, no matter how small they may be. Watch and see when Trouty takes off on a hot streak that he changes his swing to keep his head in and shorten his swing up.. That’s GPB lesson of the day.

GrandpaBaseball
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9 months ago

I loved yesterday’s game, especially the end, a real pitchers dual and the first one to blink loses. For Chi W/S, it was a Bummer at the end of the game, but the double steal was an eye opener and who expected another wild pitch? Anything can happen in a 1-1 tie in the 8th and 9th innings.

What a shame the Ghost Runner rule is and would have been has this game gone extras, because I believe that scoring a runner from second against a Bullpen is a cheap and mostly lucky way to win. Neither team deserved to lose, but Angels deserved to win, I know it doesn’t make sense except to me. No one hit the ball with the bat! Old school way of Baseball by manufacturing a run. Added bonus was Trout was the lesd runner and he hustled hard.

Guest
9 months ago

The foundation Building Materials’ keystone of the game for the Angels tonight is Susanna Hoffs’ cover of Free’s “Feel Like Makin’ Love.”

Fletcher is back. Adell is back. Moustakas is finally an Angel. Detmers and Canning are dealing like a pair of aces. Mike Moore and Zach Neto are itching to return. Shohei leading the Majors in home runs like he’s some kind of Babe Ruth. Trout waking from his slumber.

Feel like makin’ a whole lotta love right now.

https://youtu.be/_rOEf9vF1kc

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to 

And we’re still only 6 games over .500.

TrAdition.

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Once Mike Out gets it back in June July……that’s when we will really feel the love.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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9 months ago
Reply to 

Is fletch back? I mean, he looks exactly the same.

Fansince1971
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9 months ago

Mets suckage likely is good for the Angels chances of signing Ohtani. I thought with his old pal Billy Eppler at the helm, the Mets were a good bet as a possible landing place. But Eppler may not survive the season and even if he does, Ohtani may not be interested in joining a club that is worse than the Angels.

Fleckstein
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I really think he stays on the West coast

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

Agreed, unfortunately so we can watch him in Doyer blue for the next decade.

Fansince1971
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9 months ago

Okay – so now we know a little more about what happened with the Angel sale. Many of us expected it was about money – and it appears it certainly was to some extent as Arte believes the club is worth more than $2.5 billion. And he may be right. If Arte had been offered something around $4 billion, my guess is his feigned “love” for the team and renewed commitment to win (thanks PR team) would have been forgotten and he would have taken the cash.

I presume Arte believes and/or has been advised that if the Angels make the playoffs, the value of the franchise will go up and that explains his new found payroll generosity this season. There is always a subtext with Arte and , frankly, good for him as the owner. It’s all about $$$$

$2.5 billion is a lot but if the Suns sold for $4 billion – it’s understandable that Arte things his team is worth more than $2.5 billion.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Mr. Moreno bought Angels for $184 MM in 2003. According to the latest estimate, they are now worth $ 2.7 billion. That is 1467% increase, 73% per year. I don’t think the stock of the parent company of certain east coast cable company, whose name I have vowed not to utter on this site, increased that much. Mr. Moreno is a smart investor.

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Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Well he certainly made a great investment in buying the Angels from Disney. That is for sure.

Kiyotchan
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Internet is such a convenient place to acquire financial info.

Buying $1,000 In DIS: 20 years ago, an investor could have purchased 43.10 shares of Walt Disney at the time with $1,000. This investment in DIS would have produced an average annual return of 9.5%. Still pretty sound investment. It’s just the rich gets richer.

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Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Smart investment? Ha! More like one of the luckiest humans alive!

The value of every Base-Foot-Basket-Puck Ball team in the NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL has gone up dramatically since Arte bought the Angels…his incredible great fortune was 1000% based on his timing, nothing else. His only positive attribute is his willingness to spend on payroll. And if he was just average in all other aspects of running an MLB franchise, he possibly is one of the best owners in the sport, instead of one of the worst.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

well that and he had a shitpile of cash burning a hole in his pocket after unloading the billboard business for big bucks.

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Speaking of billboards. I’ll add one other positive thing he’s done, lowered the price of beer.

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Kiyotchan
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Compared to what rich people or family regarded sports team franchise as tax write off, now financially competent people internationally connivingly got together and turned former tax write off to investment portfolio. Even the Saudi Arabia rich family/government are anxiously desiring a piece of action. So, you are right, Mr. Moreno got extremely lucky. I still maintain the rich gets richer regardless of luck, though. If they get lucky, they get ‘out of control’ rich.

However, any skyrocketingly rising portfolio will eventually regress to the means and fall through the means just as quickly. They are like gluttonous housing booms, will soon bust.

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Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

This is old news. Why is this story getting regurgitated 5 months later? It was reported back in January when Arte took the team off the market in late January.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3453529/arte-moreno-reportedly-turned-down-five-bids-of-at-least-dollar2.5-billion-so-that-he-could-stay-in-charge-and-continue-to-ruin-angels-fans-lives

it was essentially confirmed by Arte in his limited interviews he did in Tempe a couple of weeks later.

So now it turns out Evil Arte wasn’t lying to us? Wow shocker.

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I don’t think the amount was known. Just that offers were made.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Huh? The linked article above is from January.

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JackFrost
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yep.

I am certainly no Arte fan as most here know. However I don’t blame him at all for not selling at that price. It would have amounted to bending over for the Joe Lacob group or Soon-Siong or whomever else was offering …

I just wish he hadn’t throw us some totally transparent bs excuse about “unfinished business” etc… He could simply have said “I was not happy with the offers I was getting,” or “the Angels are worth alot more than what was offered ” or something to that effect …

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Exactly. It was the so-called “I had a revelation” crap that I objected to. He didn’t get his price so he pivoted and is now trying hard to win in order to increase what he might get in a sale. Spend an extra $100m – make an extra billion. I get it. Just don’t feed me the BS PR about how much you love the team and want to win.

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

What was his price then?

Fansince1971
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9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I’d guess (and it’s obviously only a guess) it was $3.5B-$4B

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I suspect there was a group that would have paid it . But since there’s no information that he tried to negotiate with the bidders I really don’t believe his heart was in it. 
Unfortunately, the biggest problem with Arte is there is no evidence of a succession plan as none of his children have shown any interest in the team and he aint getting any younger .

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I still think the bidders wouldn’t offer more than $2.5 billion unless Ohtani signed an extension and Moreno couldn’t get Ohtani to do that because of the playoff drought.

That means Moreno might open his pocket book at the trade deadline so he can make the playoffs, sign Ohtani, and then try selling the team again. So the questions are:

  1. Will the plan work?
  2. Will Ohtani live up to the cost of the new contract?
  3. Even Ohtani’s performance falls off a cliff in 2-3 years, will the possibility that Moreno sells the team justify Ohtani’s contract anyway?
Cowboy26
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9 months ago

Sometimes being the fastest isn’t always the bestest.

https://twitter.com/Jared_Tims/status/1673539736751984640

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 months ago

Moustakas greeting Trout at home plate: “Thanks, I was supposed to be the hero”