LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Summer Time

Good morning Angels fans! It is the longest day of the year, so get out there and enjoy it! But first, have some links!

Angels News

It is Officially Summer! And the Angel face the Dodgers with a better record for the first time since 2014. So of course the Angels lose. Angels have the better bullpen so of course the Dodgers shut out the Angels. Oh well, Ohtani tomorrow. Better win that one.

Speaking of, Ohtani was player of the week! I mean he better be with how much he mashed.

Kevin Padlo is replacing Rendon for now. Suarez is now on the 60 day IL. Where’s Fletcher?

Angels get to be on ESPN vs the Astros July 16th. Yay?

Joyce still can’t feel his fingers. And Neto is still not doing baseball stuff.

Matt Moore looks to be good by Monday maybe. So there’s that.

Around Baseball

All Star Update! Voting is still ongoing, VOTE!

Troutani in of course

More unique parks as an MLB game at Birmingham for next year. Wait, I thought this was announced already…

The shortstops on huge contracts are not playing so well. Except for Seager.

Luis Arraez is back at .400 again. He really, truly hates playing the Mariners. He is on pace with Ichiro with hits, although there is a ton of season left to go.

Sand Castle? In an MLB stadium? It is more likely than you think.

More pitchers getting injured as just finally healthy McKenzie is now hurt again.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago

Gio being out for the rest of the season sucks. I think he was a great pickup by Perry.

On the brighter side, there’s this. Hopefully Logan can come back soon, although catcher is not currently a black hole that the team needs its starter back immediately (unlike 3B and SS)

Rhett Bollinger
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40m

Logan O’Hoppe is playing some light catch on the field. So it appears he’s progressed to some light baseball activity.

Rhett Bollinger
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8m

O’Hoppe said he started throwing on the field yesterday. He’ll take tomorrow off and then play catch again for more two more days. It’s part of a two-week progression. Swinging a bat would be the next step.

johnlweitzel
Member
9 months ago

Why was Padlo allowed to bat with runners at second and third and nobody out and Moniak on the bench?

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  johnlweitzel

Because a lefty was still pitching

Last edited 9 months ago by smithy610
Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

But the Plumber was ready to make a house call.

FungoAle
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  johnlweitzel

Padlo…why is this guy even on the roster? This guy has zero future.

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

^This is the correct question^. He has no business being in Anaheim unless he is in the stands. The guy jumped, and reached his apex of his leap, after the ball had already gone over his head. That is inexcusable at this level.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago

Gio is out for the year. I remain amazed at how this franchise can collect such fragile players.

Perry needs to replace him from outside the organization.

WallyChuckChili
Legend
9 months ago

No need, we have Padlo!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago

To quote a Washingtonian: “god save the Queen”

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

“COME ON, MAN”…..”not a joke”

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago

Fuck.

Pretty much the only thing the Angels did this offseason was build depth and Gio was probably the most important piece of depth considering Rendon’s issues.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

What about this Fletcher dude? I heard he can play multiple positions.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

He sucks

FungoAle
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Agree, Gio had a pretty good run going. Seemed to know how to approach his ABs well. Sucks for sure.

FungoAle
Super Member
9 months ago

When that injury occurred, I thought of Bo Jackson. Both just had this awkward landing then puts pressure up into the pelvic area. That’s too bad. Being a UFA next year, not much time to prove he is worthy of multi-year deal.

max
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max
9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

‘Yeah hip injuries are a bitch.’ -D.Fletch

WallyChuckChili
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  max

Ditto -Stassi

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I recall he was trying to avoid double play in bases loaded situation. No one expected he was going to sustain such serious injury. Feels really awful for Urshela because he appeared to have loved being on this team despite he lost arbitration against Angels and got approximately $2 MM less than what he desired for this year. Good luck to him, and will fondly follow him wherever he ends up next season.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
Twebur
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Hips and pelvis bones….the new TJ

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

Gio will open up a 40 man roster spot with him done for the year.
who?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

I am hoping for a guy with first letter “F’ and ends with “R” in his name.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

WE ARE WASTING PADLO’S PRIME

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

THANK GOD

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

He’s as good as gone

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

But another day of Rengi definitely blos

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Take a bite of my gold chain!
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TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

OMG why is he still on the roster?

WallyChuckChili
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

For his POWER!

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago

The power to have an IMPACT on the game

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

So we have “Dumbass” at 3rd. Oye

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Thank you!!!!’

Guest
9 months ago

Sorry Brandon. Great effort, though.

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halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago

Mets 3 cheaters 2 Top 3…GO METS!!

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

Jinx bites again!

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago

Didn’t last long did it?

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Now, Asstros are leading by a field goal, and it’s not even half time yet.  😆 

WallyChuckChili
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Then the Mets need Falco

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Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

Can Falco kick a field goal?

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Amadeus can certainly rock him.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

I didn’t know Wolfgang was a football player, but I know him as a pretty good composer and womanizer.
https://youtu.be/C_joXLJJlwc

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Actually it was a car that rocked him.

RexFregosi
Super Member
9 months ago

some dude named Julks is definitely not helping my afternoon

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Houston executes perfect extra point play (safety squeeze) by 9 hole batter, scoring Julks. Why can’t Angels do that?

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
9 months ago

Holy shit look at this stat line from IE last night! And I gotta keep harping on it… this 19-year-old kid Luis Torres is having an unreal year. 3-for-6 in his first single-A game. Batting .570 for the year across a dozen games. It’s not like I’ve “scouted” him or could provide any substantial insight if I did… watched a little video and hey, yeah, nice swing… but he’s certainly looking like a Quero-style sleeper Top 100 guy at this point, even if there hasn’t been a peep about him in the usual top prospect lists.
https://www.milb.com/gameday/rawhide-vs-66ers/2023/06/20/724892#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=724892

WallyChuckChili
Legend
9 months ago

Can we trade him for Vinnie Pestano?

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

Too Soon.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

Dodgers have not announced today’s starting pitcher. The most logical person is Michael Grove, essentially a rookie, last started 6/15, but ERA 8.10, currently not on active roster. The second possibility is Emmet Sheehan, rookie who debuted 6/16, pitched shut out 6 innings with 0H, 2BB, and 3K against Giants. Another possibility is bullpen game. Who do you think Dave Roberts is going to start?

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I thought I read somewhere it was going to be Grove, but I guess they’re deciding still.

Either way, they’re choosing between two Cy Rookies.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Yes, and we’ll surely get the Cy Rookie treatment.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

It is Michael Grove with ERA 8.10. Dave Roberts has been reading CtPG, or he is just raising a white flag. I hope it’s the latter.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Looks like it was changed to Brusdar Graterol : not so good for us.

Graterol throws heat at 100 mph + … Even if he’s only an opener I don’t think you want to start the game with him … Knowing Shohei’s struggles in the 1st it seems very possible that we’re trailing the game after the 1st inning is over …

SC_Halo
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Well, no need to watch then

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Was listening to radio pregame show, and they did mention about opener for Dodgers, so it makes sense. The most Grateful has pitched was 2 innings, and he has never started this year. If Shohei manages to keep Dodgers from scoring in the first inning, I like our chance of scoring on this guy, who has probably never started in front of 45000 plus in the audience.

tanana40
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

This means that the Dodgers won’t have Graterol in the late innings in a close game. Grove will get the bulk of the work. Not sure that it means that much one way or another.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

Now this proves that Dave Roberts is not a reader of CtPG because if he was, he would have started Grove as we all know that Angels always have difficult time with a Cy-rookie.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

It means you don’t fall behind early, which is no small thing …

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

He’s been a closer and high leverage guy for Doyers… I don’t think he’ll be nervous starting. But we’ll see. Control can sometimes be an issue for him …

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

He has been pretty good this season, only 3 BB with 24 K in total of 30 innings. Has blown saves three times with 3 successful saves.

tanana40
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

They have also started Gavin Stone three times and his ERA is over 14.00. He is back in the minors.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  tanana40

mmmm Cold Stone ice cream.

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

The Angels are always so generous to rookies, help them feel like they belong in the Show. Give em that confidence boost they need.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
9 months ago

Last night’s call by MLN-NY was not whether it was the right call or wrong call, although I think Drury was safe, the point is the call never should have been overturned. There is not enough evidence to overturn the call, and that is why the rule about overturning calls is about. Just not enough evidence.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago

Amen! I see that point now.
Again … this is what they used to determine and it’s fuzzy where Drury’s hand is. Definitely not overturnable.
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Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Replay team should be under clock rule, just like the players are. In lieu of cutting down on play time that Manfraud professes, there should be a clear guideline that if replay review takes, say, more than 2 minutes (Someone measured it took 3 min and 22 sec on that call last night.), then they should suspend further review, and let the call stand.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

With the benefit of slow motion and all angles, he was definitely out. Watch the video on this page at 1:00 to 1:01: Dodgers 2, Angels 0 Final Score (06/20/2023) on MLB Gameday

You can see his helmet is starting to fall off from being touched by the glove while his hand has not yet reached the plate.

Maybe the call should have been inconclusive instead of overturned, but it’s tough to complain when inconclusive would have resulted in keeping the incorrect call.

Last edited 9 months ago by AnAngelsFan
Marcotor
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Incorrect calls are fine as long as they are FOR the Angels, and all calls against the Angels are WRONG. Don’t you read the expert posts here? All Umpires, hate the Angels. And ONLY the Angels.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I looked at 1 to 1:01 as it’s a few seconds after my screencap above.

Still not clear EXACTLY when the tag was applied (helmet moved and maybe his pinkie was touching the plate?) … Far from some conspiracy, Marcotor, it was just not enough evidence to overturn.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Did the helmet move because of contact with the glove or Drury hitting the ground?

Hell Neto’s helmet explodes off of the top of his hit just running down the first base line.

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Zapruder Film is not clear…..surprised he didn’t tearcartilage between his third and fourth rib.
https://youtu.be/PA5HRW4DWz0

Last edited 9 months ago by Twebur
Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

One of my favorite Seinfeld episodes of all time.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

While I don’t disagree, my reference was to the sure bet that in any gamethread, within the first two innings or so, there will be comments about how the umpire behind the plate is biased for the opposing team, apparently on instructions from MLB.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

But yes – should have been “inconclusive” and thus not overturned.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Regardless – we had no business running to home on that play. Even a poor throw nails him by a mile.

A TERRIBLE THROW led to the close call that went to a reply.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Assuming that Angels might have been aware that Doyer’s SS was not that accurate, I still differ from you that it was a good send. It was Will Smith’s skillful pick of that terrible throw home that prevented what should have been Angels first run.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

With 2 outs and Padlo on deck , I would not hesitate to send Drury EVERY damn time.

In fact I would have sent Drury in the bottom of the 7th with no outs.

Kershaw has our number, Hitters 1-3 including the GOATs were 0 for 12 with 3 K’s . We needed to take any chance we could get.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I didn’t watch Ward’s at bats that much, but both Shohei and Trout missed several pitches that should have resulted in homeruns. Kershaw thought the fly out (102.1MPH) to opposite side by Shohei was going out and was surprised that it did not. The first double by Renfroe (109.3MPH) should have gone out if it weren’t for the marine layer.

I was going to blame it on the off day they had on Monday, but Angels have been 2-4 on the days after being off. No dice.

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Damnit ML I know you hate Rendon but I still thought you were an Angel Fan.

Last edited 9 months ago by Cowboy26
AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Lol, I hadn’t finished reading Kiyotchan’s post when I saw your reply and was totally confused looking for ML’s post.

Rallymanatee
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Totally disagree. With Kershaw pitching g like he was, it was the right move. Angels should’ve won 1-0. We lost to a bad call and a bad hop.

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Rallymanatee

It’s official. I’m a baseball dumbass. Everyone agrees. Thanks

FungoAle
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Looked out to me but a close play like that usually is not overturned

RexFregosi
Super Member
9 months ago

Tip your hat to the defense and Turn the page

Last edited 9 months ago by RexFregosi
smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago

LOL at the All-Star voting.

Thaiss behind Maldonado!

Jared Walsh at #7, actually being in the top 10 at all!

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

I thought the exact same thing about Thaiss/Walsh. They are ranked similarly among their positions which is absolutely hilarious.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

You don’t think Japanese nationals are stuffing the ballot box for certain fellow countryman player? Manfraud is allowing all these mischiefs and sabotage on All-Star voting? Blasphemy against Baseball God!

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I’m sure there’s ballot stuffing going on. Martin Maldonado has been in the top 5 of catchers a few years now when the cheaters were dominating, and I highly doubt it’s because fans supremely value his framing and blocking that greatly.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

After all, All Star Game is an exhibition game, which has no bearings on W/L of every team. It is supposedly done for baseball fans, and as jaded as I am now, it is a pretty stupid game. As many of you agree with me, I do NOT want Ohtani and Trout to compete for Home Run Derby. I hope he is not the starting pitcher, either.

I understand that it is an honor for players to be selected, but those who have been there multiple times like Trout, Ohtani, and Judge, probably prefer to skip the festivities and stay home and get more beauty sleep.
https://youtu.be/9MiaHlOUExM

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago

The burning question everyone was asking last night – WHY PADLO?

Asked and answered:

After the Angels recalled Kevin Padlo, as opposed to someone like David Fletcher or Livan Soto, Manager Phil Nevin said it was Padlo’s power potential that appealed to them.

“We need a little more meat in the lineup, if you will,” Nevin said. “We’ve lost some guys that are impact bats. He’s got a chance, especially against lefties, to add that.”

Padlo, 26, has never homered in 49 major league plate appearances with four teams. This year at Triple-A, he hit seven home runs with a .555 slugging percentage in 32 games. He missed more than a month of the season with a broken left finger, an injury that had him out until about a week ago.

Padlo also hit a homer against Dodgers ace Clayton Kershaw in spring training this year.

Padlo can play first and third base, so in that sense, he helps replace both Rendon and Gio Urshela, who is going to be out for months with a fractured pelvis.

https://www.ocregister.com/2023/06/20/angels-looking-for-a-little-more-meat-in-their-lineup-to-replace-injured-players/

Last edited 9 months ago by smithy610
Twebur
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

That sounds like a Phillip move…

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halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

“Quick Bat! Quick Bat! Quick Bat!”

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

LOL what a joke. We needed a guy to replace Rendon and/or Urshela’s impact to the lineup, so we picked the player whose hitting profile couldn’t be any more dissimilar to our two best low-power high-OBP hitters?

The Angels have hit the 4th most HRs as a team. And none of the 3 injured infielders are a big part of that. We don’t need more meat in the lineup. Right now we need guys that are not inning killers.

If Phil actually believes this, he truly is as smooth-brained as I have always assumed.

Last edited 9 months ago by TrojanBoiler
smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

Fletch would have laid down a perfect suicide/safety squeeze on that 7th inning AB.

RexFregosi
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

a little more meat?

a 514-ft HR sounds like Angus wrapped in bacon

steelgolf
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  smithy610

Phil has some wires crossed in his brain. Padlo is NOT an impact bat, he is both an offensive and defensive black hole of slow suck. He should not be on the team or the 40 man roster. He makes Jeff Mathis seem like an impact bat. Truly one of the single dumbest call ups I have seen in baseball.

Guest
9 months ago

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
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Great picture!

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

Unfortunately it probably resulted in a swing and miss 2 feet off the plate 😀

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

Detmers retooling, leaves Angels drooling.
https://twitter.com/ocregister/status/1671394839416430592?s=20

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

And then the bullpen blew it!!

Guest
9 months ago

After being shut out last night, the Angels are in desperate need of an injection of energy, which is why the FBM keystone of the game tonight for our SoCal Seraphs is “Zehn” by the Farin Urlaub Racing Team.

Hopefully the Angels take a listen and their bats are inspired to come to life like the audience in this music video does each time the chorus comes along.

Outstandisch.

https://youtu.be/jmf9ffh7qTg

DowningDude
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to 

Loved Geoff Zahn. Great Angel.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

A key part of our 1982 team

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago

Zahn got lit up in losing Game 3 of the 1982 ALCS. That prompted Maniac Mauch to bring back TJ and Kison on 3 days rest which eventually sealed our fate.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Stood there like a house on the side of the road…did Carew.

Guest
9 months ago

I hope Detmers was able to get a game-used ball signed by Kershaw last night.

Fansince1971
Legend
9 months ago

Lost to Dodgers 2-0. Who cares? It was a good, intense, playoff style game. Angels almost won despite being short handed. I think if there ever is such a thing as a good loss, this would qualify. This one is a true page turner.

Angelz4ever
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yep, second loss in a week and a half?

Cowboy26
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

3-3 in our last 6 games.

Of course I care.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

It was a marvelous pitching duel between a sure bet, first ballot, future Hall of Famer and someone if he put it all together consistently like last night will be HOFer. If I weren’t Shohei-therefore-Angels fan, I would have viewed it like you did.

However, it was a very winnable game. What is up with Angels hatred for small ball strategy? We had Kershaw and Dodgers on the ropes in the 7th inning. I am sure Padlo was thinking sac fly, but Nevin could have signaled him to take a few pitches and/or consider bunting. I am little more lenient on Wallach, but Nevin could have pinch hit someone like Stephanic or Thaiss to bunt instead. Even Velazquez could have bunted for safety even with 2 outs as DowningDude suggested. Do something different to show us that you are really trying to win, Angels!

smithy610
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Yes, it was a winnable game, just like that Royals game last Saturday. Winnable games are more frustrating than just outright bad losses (i.e. losing 10-1 game) where it’s so bad you just wave the white flag and let Brett Philipps pitch.

When you have a pitcher on the ropes, and especially at 95+ pitches, you better take some pitches! Especially since Kershaw has been wild all game – not that he surrendered a lot of walks, but he was regularly in deep counts – 3-0, 3-1, etc. That hack by Taylor Ward at a 3-0 count was especially bad.

Two horrible ABs in that 7th inning decided the game. First pitch swinging from a Trout or Shohei – understandable. But from freaking Padlo?!

HaloLew
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

Those Padlo and Velazquez at-bats were infuriating. Swinging at the first pitch and hitting a two-hopper to the SS. Out with a whimper.

TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

We will miss you around here when Shohei plays for the Dodgers next year

Re: Stafanic – Perry and Phil hate him for some reason. I don’t understand it.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  TrojanBoiler

According to Jeff Fletcher of OC Register, you still have 30% chance of being stuck with me after this season…

Be as it may, let’s enjoy Shohei as Angel at least for the remainder of this season since Minasian assured us that not trading him is “self explanatory”. I will swear to cheer for Angels victory in every game as passionately as any Halo fan.

Last edited 9 months ago by Kiyotchan
TrojanBoiler
Trusted Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I can’t get the taste of Padlo out of my mouth, and it has ruined this loss for me.

I can live with the team not capitalizing on opportunities and losing a close one to the Dodgers, but Smooth Brain Phil rearing his ugly head is really frustrating to me.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago

Note to Perry this morning, do you really believe you have supplied Phillip with the best players available to win games? Padio? hmm. Rengifo? hmm. What is just as bad is why is Fletcher not playing for the Angels? We are playing both Thaiss and Wallack from SLC. Squid is up, Soto has been up to the big club. Moniak is up, Neato has been up, O’Hoppe, Silseth, Davidson, Weiss, Wantz and many more, but 2 are glaring omissions to the list, Fletcher and Cabbage. As the injuries continue to pile up you really have your work cut out for you, I understand that, but come on, not putting in Walsh in the 7th inning of games or not having Rengifo replace in the 7th inning, both for defensive purposes is better for the team? Let’s put the best product out on the field that we can, what do you say?

RexFregosi
Super Member
9 months ago

514 ft

it’s time

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago

Good morning guys, looking for a nice day today with a split with the Dodgers.

I have a couple take aways from yesterday’s game. First is MLB review in New York which
took a suspiciously long time in reviewing the Drury play at Home Plate that was ruled an out. Why was the length of time as long as it was? The call was predetermined to be an out and therefore it took a long time to find the camera shot angle to back up their finding, unless the NY office had a clip that was not shown on Bally’s Sports West, then they missed the call.

I claim that whether safe or out, there just was not a frame of video that would warrant the overruling of the Homeplate Umpire, but still was an overruled call.

The Homeplate Umpire had his face right on the play.

This by my recollecting is the 3rd time that the Umpires who are in a studio simply to keep things honest have changed or not changed a call that was ruled in detriment to the Angels. Blatant and obviously bad decisions that have gone against the Angels. If these are the type of things that are called wrong, do we really want Robo-Umps?

In both the ’21 and ’22 seasons the same mistakes were made also, so is it a wrong accusation on my part that NY TV Umpires have it in for the Angels? Sosh had a small winning record with the NY Umps, Ausmus had a losing record, Joe had a losing record.
So now in looking back, did we get the shaft of biased calls? Am I paranoid or delusional?

The taking of that runaway changed the game completely, and in trying to get things right, what is advisably a call that should not have been changed by the Re-Play Umpires because no evidence was shown, was changed to a bad call, someone is on a power trip to favor who they want to win, so, is gambling involved?

I am glad the game was not a one run loss, but the longer it takes for NY Umpires to take a look-see, the more I feel a bad call is coming down the pike.

Fansince1971
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9 months ago

Mmmm – I’ve never been a fan of blaming umpiring. Are there bad calls – yes. Are partisan fans likely to notice them any time they appear to go against one’s team – of course. But in the long, calls tend to balance out and stewing over perceived unfairness will get you nothing but an ulcer.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Texas fans are calling for someone’s head in the replay booth in NY after the whole umpire crew totally messed up the obstruction rule on my favorite punchable face Jonah Heim, who got tossed along with Bochy. Compared to that call, last night indignant overturn of plate umpire judgement on Drury almost seems trivial.
https://twitter.com/dmn_rangers/status/1671354871981694977

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Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

NY replay idiots got confused, thought it was the Angel game.

Free Jonah Heim from the belly of the whale! So we all can take turns face punching him!

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Three most punchable faces in MLB :

1) Jonah Heim
2) Joc Pederson
3) Max Muncy

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Jack – Bregman and Rougned Odor have to be on the list!

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

Please add Scott Servais.
Thanks

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WallyChuckChili
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

What does Amy Schumer have to do with Baseball?

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago

No problem. We’ll make Bregman 4 and Odor 5 !!

RexFregosi
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

AJ Pierwinkee –

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Not active player.

But Pederson does look a little bit like him…. Also, remember, it is not “most hated”, but rather “most punchable face.”

Sometimes there is an overlap, but not always..:

Eric_in_Portland
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Punchable emeritus

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

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Kiyotchan
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9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Love that right hook!

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Classic !!

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Thanks! I made it when he was a color man during one of our games.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I agree. For me, it is almost like respect for me to call certain player “punchable face”. I think Jonah Heim is the only MLB player that hit a grand slam off Shohei’s splitter. If he were playing for Angels, I would have been cheering for him despite his face His RISP batting average this year has been outstanding, and we could have used him this season.

WallyChuckChili
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

We cheered for Rat Face when he played for us.

FungoAle
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

4) P. Minasian

max
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max
9 months ago
Reply to  FungoAle

honorable mention: Brent Gardner

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

I find this quite ironi, that he would now complain about a rule that was changed to protect his own catcher in San Francisco after Posey got mowed over by Scott Cousins.

Hey Bruce, sorry but you can’t have it both ways

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

I do remember the horrible collision that Buster Posey, one of my all time favorite MLB players, suffered. So, the change of obstruction rule was sound and logical in terms of minimizing catastrophic injuries especially to catchers.

Bochy in this case was attempting to save Heim from being ejected after the egregious application of the obstruction rule. Heim was NOT blocking the plate! The whole umpire crew should be demoted to minors, and replay review team in NY should be fired.

However, I will take Texas loss any day.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Angel Hernandez is the exception to the above. Angel shouldn’t be allowed within 100 miles of any baseball diamond.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago

There is an unconfirmed rumor that Angel is a part of replay team in NY.  😁 

Cowboy26
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9 months ago
Reply to  Kiyotchan

So hes pissed at us because we use his name?

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

No doubt they even out, for most teams. I truly believe the Angels lead in SAR, Screwed Above Replacement. A little bit every night. If you add up the Overall Favor on a nightly basis from the umps report card, we usually are on the losing end. And IMO, last nights call at the plate was correct, he was out.

Free the Angels from the oppressive MLB cheaters in NY, screw replay!

Free NY

https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1671526230623920133?s=20

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

The Angels are middle of the pack in total favoritism and average favoritism per game, landing slightly on the side of having been overall benefited by bad calls:

Umpire Scorecards | Teams (umpscorecards.com)

I’m not sure those stats tell the whole story, because I think one bad impactful call that costs an estimated 1.0 run outweighs five favorable calls that add 0.2 estimated runs each, for the same reason a grand slam will frequently be better than 4 single HRs spread out over 4 different games.

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Please don’t mess with my narrative or my feeling with your facts😀

But I still think they are to get us! Angel Fans Unite!

F the Media and F ManFreddy!

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Facts? Their ratings are still subjective. It is not based on “facts,” whatever those are…

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Hey Tewber … for Jack’s sake, don’t forget this next time:comment image

JackFrost
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9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I am not sure I should trust “Umpire Scorecards” and their ratings… I mean, why should I ???

Marcotor
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9 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

No no no no… that is not the narrative here. At All. It’s the International Umpire Conspiracy to Only Screw the Angels. Don’t you read the posts here, with the call for RoboUmps? The Umpires ONLY make bad calls against the Angels, and conspire with MLB because they only love the Yankees and Red Sox.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Marcotor

I like how you throw in the word “International” just to make it seem more outlandish and improbable.

Nice manipulation of language, as well as dishonesty. MLB is not an “international’ org.

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Marcotor has been making this comment at least since 2011 as far as I recall.

Roll with it – it’s FUNNY. Like laugh … and stuff. ha. ha.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

It’s not funny. It is condescending and stupid… Stupid comments that are also condescending call to mind “The Dunning-Kruger effect.” In this case it would apply to Marcotor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

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DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Is dane dunning part of that effect?

Twebur
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9 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Canada doesn’t count, because they are America’s hat.
Sam seems Canadian to me.

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DowningDude
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9 months ago

Upon sleeping on this last night, it’s true – it’s inconclusive at best where Drury’s hand is. Sure, he is tagged in the helmet, but to declare his hand is clearly not on the plate is an impossibility. How this overturned the call, I cannot imagine.

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DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Freddie is a smart and free man.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Happy really belated Daddy’s Day!

max
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max
9 months ago

I don’t believe any anti Halo bias from MLB. If anything one might think there should be a pro Halo bias just to get the Unicorn into the playoffs.

Kiyotchan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  max

Unless you buy into the conspiracy that big market teams like Doyers and MFYankees are whispering into Manfrauds ear to encourage umpires calls to go against Angels to convince Shohei to move to large market.

Shohei on large market team->higher ratings->more revenue for MLB.

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AnAngelsFan
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  max

I think the problem isn’t actual bias but rather the entire replay system itself feels arbitrary as to whether a decision is “inconclusive.” Sometimes they declare inconclusive on obvious mistakes and other times they reverse really close calls that are hard to tell.

There also seems to be a difference in how long the replay booth spends reviewing plays. There should be a specified time limit (e.g. 1 minute of review) and the play is inconclusive if and only if the reviewers can’t confirm or reverse the call within that time.

DowningDude
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9 months ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Sure sounds like It’s the International Umpire Conspiracy to Only Screw the Angels.(TM – Marcotor)

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
10 months ago

You missed: Jo Adell Blasts 514-Ft Home Run, Longest In Minors or Majors In Statcast Era

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/video/jo-adell-blasted-a-home-run-514-ft-one-of-the-longest-in-minors-or-major-league-statcast-era/amp/

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steelgolf
Super Member
10 months ago

Yeah, but we have ………. a Padlo????

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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10 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Yes we do. Thanks Arte.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
10 months ago

Thank PTP .

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago

Trade bait value went up with one swing.

Straight up for a decent starting pitcher!!

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

Maybe we trade Ward for a decent starting pitcher…put Adell in his spot.

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Okay!!

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

This ^^^^^^

Trade the 29 year-old and keep the 24 year old.

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago

Not a day passes where I don’t say, think, post stupid shit about the Angels. But for the life of me I don’t get the “Trade Adell” for “A Guy” crowd here? All based on his failures as a 20 year old called up too early out of desperation and stupidity by the FO,

With that said, sorry Jo, I’ve officially cemented your further failure with the Angels, I’m usually wrong with these predictions. But I’m sure you’ll go and do great things, just somewhere else…hopefully not Seattle.

Free Jo!
Throw out the Padlo furniture!

halofansince1978
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Jinx!!

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Give the man a 1B glove and give him 500 AB’s ???

Twebur
Legend
9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

Worth a look, why not, he’s tall. To me seems better suited for the outfield. Besides, Renfroe is gone next year, and who knows about Ward. Very easily could see Mick and Jo replacing both, or at least a 3 way platoon for 2 OF spots if they keep with Ward.

BannedInLA
Super Member
9 months ago

Adel appears to be bigger/stronger now than last year.

If he can manage to get his s/o rate down to 35%, he’s probably hit at least 40 HR’s in a full-time role.

Can he play 1B ???

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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9 months ago
Reply to  BannedInLA

If you can dodge a wrench, you can play 1B.  😀