LA Angels Monday News Crash: Tepera DFA – Crashing the Pearly Gates

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MarineLayer

22 days ago

Good work, Devenski!

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2GA2Join

22 days ago

I guess right now this is how I see our season:

The good news is that I feel a lot of our losses were actually winnable games.
The bad news is that I feel a lot of our losses were actually winnable games.

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smithy610

22 days ago

It’s official. Rendon to 10-day IL

#Angels Transactions:
•Recalled INF Livan Soto from Double-A Rocket City
•Reinstated C Chad Wallach from injured list (joins active roster)
•Optioned C Chris Okey to Triple-A Salt Lake
•Placed INF Anthony Rendon (left groin strain) on 10-day injured list (retro to May 14)

From Fletcher:

Anthony Rendon said he’s been feeling the groin discomfort since Milwaukee. “It’s definitely frustrating. I’m angry… I’ve been getting punched a lot lately. It sucks.”
Said he’s not sure he’ll be out. Said he doesn’t think it’s too bad.

Despite his atrocious defense so far at 3B, I would still really want Rendon’s bat in the lineup, power or no power. He’s not an an easy out.

But this is where the depth that Perry built will be tested. He got the likes of Urshela and Drury for moments like this.

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Twebur

22 days ago

Sad when the news from outside your organization gives you more hope than the news from within….

His play also impressed longtime Guardians manager Terry Francona, who said after Saturday’s game that he’d heard of Neto last year because he was on Cleveland’s radar in the Draft. But the Angels took Neto with the No. 13 overall pick and the Guardians had the No. 16 selection.

“I think if you talk to our [front office], I think they broke our hearts when they took him ahead [of us],” Francona said. “Probably shouldn’t say that, but I think he was really well thought of coming out of Campbell.”

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

22 days ago

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FIGHTING CAMELS!

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Kiyotchan

22 days ago

Starting Lineup today:

Ward
Trout
Ohtani
Renfroe
Thaiss
Urshela
Rengiho
Wallach
Neto

Thaiss is playing 1st base.

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BannedInLA

22 days ago

If anyone here is qualified to analyze the intricacies of hitting – can you provide an assessment on Mike Trout?

Is it a simple matter of a slump and “just missing” or is it something else?

I have noticed that his slumps are more frequent and prolonged over the past 2-3 seasons. Sigh.

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Twebur

22 days ago

Reply to BannedInLA

Shhhhh…..not the venue.

https://youtu.be/ks072waMayk

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GrandpaBaseball

22 days ago

Reply to Twebur

Hmm, I coached hitting for over 40 years from “T-Ball” to Community College level but trying to figure out “what maybe” involved with a hitter like Trout at this stage (MLB) without the benefit of watching closely every day and analyzing tape with the hitter that believes in what you can add is almost impossible.

I have added input to some of our hitters and posted here and they do read our mail as they have changed, with Trout he has a great idea of what he needs to accomplish and work on. In the past it was his timing, pulling his head around instead of keeping his head in. He has changed to a more pronounced upper cut swing which changed his launch considerably which then for a while changed his HR per AB.

Not every hitting coach can help every player either I might add. Trust is huge in working with the best hitters. Up until Covid-19 in 2020, I worked with kids in my garage and at BB fields teaching hitting, even the kids need to trust the coach to learn adjustments.

If I was to be asked for input, I would just add keeping the head in and decrease swing upper cut to make contact more. Mike is no doubt going Hall, no doubt has power, just lacks consistent contact, he is capable of doing whatever he puts his mind to though. BTW, If Trouty is hitting the ball hard and it’s getting caught, and he is not striking out, don’t count that as slump.

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Mikeal1st

22 days ago

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He’s at that age. Remember when he was slump proof. Still the GOAT, hopefully he doesn’t turn into Pujols for the next seven years. Hopefully just a blip.

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Troutstrikeout

22 days ago

Reply to Mikeal1st

At that age lol he’s still in his prime, 27-32 is the prime; he just hit the wall early. Willie Mays at 31 was .304 49 141 and at 34 was .317 52 112 led league in homers both years and in candlestick no less, 156 career war btw. Trout has never had a season like that, never will. He’s never led league in HR, never hit 50, never had a batting title. Hell he’s never hit .300 with 40, which is a standard great player season. Bryce Harper had a .330 40 season. Judge had a .311 62 and Guerrero Jr has .311 48. Goat lol no, he was a great player until 2019 and then hit the wall at 28. I even put Griffey ahead of him. Griffey league in HRs 4 times, had a .300 50 season, and was way better on defense with multiple gold gloves. Trout never won GG and is a liability on defense now, a guy in CLE tagged home on him from shallow center. Yeah will pass Griffey in war but counting stats 630 HR 1800 RBI he will never catch him. I’m not sure he catches pujols war of 101.5 rn and def not Mickey Mantles 116. Mickey hit .356 and .365 in 2 of his mvp seasons, trout hasn’t hit .320 since 2013 and .300 since 2018.

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GrandpaBaseball

22 days ago

Reply to Troutstrikeout

Trout is Trout, I can name plenty of CF’ers who are not a Trout. Mantle, Mays, Aaron, Clemente, Robinson can be compared to each because all played at the same time.

Trout has outperformed everyone who has played during his13 year career. His biggest problem is that he is way too injury prone and at a young age needs too much time off. Last year he had a great year and if not for those damn injuries he would have pushed Judge for the lead in HR’s.

Trout doesn’t fly through the air in CF anymore or steal bases any longer because he has been convinced, he will be injured and miss more games.
Maybe that is the case, but even a 3 quarters Trouty is better than almost all the MLB players today.

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Troutstrikeout

22 days ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Yes, he’s been more consistent year to year than his peers but never even hit at least .300 with 40 hr in a single season, which many of his peers have. And now he’s declining fast. His peers last 2 years judge .311 62, Guerrero jr .311 48 and acuna killing it this year. Harper .330 42 in 2015. Earlier in his career Miguel Cabrera was triple crown and the next year went .348 44 137. Imagine what people here would do if trout had one .348 44 137 or .311 62 or just had one .320 40 season or simply a 301 40. Trout today is about 42nd in war and on pace for 190 to 200ks, .200 RISP. Guerrero jr is tied a 42nd in war but is hitting .313 over .300 RISP and is beyond a doubt a better hitter than trout rn. idk how they same in war since trout ain’t making it up with defense or steals. Gimme Guerrero jr rn all day over trout or yordan Alvarez

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Troutstrikeout

22 days ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Only compared him to Mays to show 31 is still your prime. Of todays players Nelson Cruz had best seasons in 30s and I guarantee Bryce Harper is gonna age into his 30s way better than trout. Don’t care what career stats say, to me Harper is without question a better hitter than trout and I’d trade trout for Harper straight up in a heartbeat.

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HatcherIsMyHomeBoy

22 days ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Love the hell out of Trouty .. but I’ve argued for years now that his refusal to swipe even the occasional critical bag as the leader of this team speaks volumes about the expectation of winning in the organization and in the clubhouse.

Freddie Freeman got 13 bags last year and he’s got 5 so far this year . He’s 33 and much slower than Trouty but the Doyers expect to win so he’s ripping off bags when needed.

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Spird442

22 days ago

Reply to Troutstrikeout

He hit 40 home runs in 119 games last year. Wtf are you talking about? He had the COVID season and one season where he was hurt and played 36 games, but his production has always been elite- even in those seasons. He is going through a slump- something he has gone through in several years. He always finds a way to make adjustments and the numbers are always top 3 in baseball at the end of the year.

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Troutstrikeout

22 days ago

Reply to Spird442

Never hit .300 and 40 in the same season. Can you read what I said?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

22 days ago

Reply to Troutstrikeout

We tend to always find reason’s to believe Trout is sliding. Donkey donkey do doom. Then he hits 30 home runs in twenty games or something.

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Troutstrikeout

22 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Idk what this donkey is but whatever, it’s not hard to see the slide. His Obp 2016-2019 .441 .442 .460 .438 and since he turned 28 it’s been precipitous drop: .390 injured .369 .365; and he hasn’t hit above .283 since 2019 while striking out at unprecedented rates, with more strikeouts last year in 119 games than any full season in 2016-2019, 2022 was 3rd most ks of any season in career and in just 119 games. On pace for 190ks this year. One reason trout was good hitter was impeccable plate discipline and eye so his Obp dropping like that in his prime is more concerning than for other more free swinging players

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

22 days ago

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He was never slump proof. This is why I hate the “wasted Trout” trope. The guy was always famous for running out of gas in August early in his career…. you know, back when we used to bitch about missing the play offs by a few games?

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GhostGuest

22 days ago

The Angels scored 14 runs in their three-game series with the Guards in Cleveland. Here is the list of what portion of those 14 runs each individual Angel was responsible for:

2.75 Neto
2.50 Moniak
1.75 Ohtani
1.50 Drury
1.25 Urshela
1.25 Rendon
0.75 Renfroe
0.75 Trout
0.50 Thaiss
0.50 Rengifo
0.50 Ward

This is the first time Neto has led the team in runs produced. And Moniak didn’t just hit that home run.

And now for the up-to-date Actual Runs Allowed per Batters Faced:

0.05 Moore (77)
0.06 Estevez (84)
0.08 Ohtani (182)
0.09 Sandoval (190)
0.11 Barria (81)
0.11 Silseth (35)
0.11 Wantz (65)
0.13 Anderson (174)
0.13 Detmers (156)
0.14 Canning (104)
0.15 Davidson (71)
0.15 Devenski (32)
0.17 Tepera (46)
0.17 Herget (42)
0.19 Suarez (123)
0.22 Loup (50)

Estevez and Moore’s ARA/BF took a hit after this CLE series. Barria and Silseth weren’t used at all in this series. Maybe Nevin needs to get them more involved.

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BannedInLA

22 days ago

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Thank you for putting this data together at the conclusion of each series.

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GhostGuest

22 days ago

Enjoy Shohei in an Angel uniform while you can. How many more pitching starts does he make before he likely suits up for another team? The old guys on CtPG remember the heartbreak of seeing Jim Fregosi in a Met uniform. The best shortstop of the 1960s (suck it Maury Wills and Dick Groat). Six time All-Star. Gold Glove. Home-grown. Just entering his thirties when he was traded to NYM.

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Cowboy26

22 days ago

Reply to GhostGuest

As Nolan Ryan Trade bait?

Thank you for your service Jimmy.

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GhostGuest

22 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

When the trade went down, were you expecting Ryan to be any good for the Angels?

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Twebur

22 days ago

Reply to GhostGuest

That was in the before times………trAdition free.

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RexFregosi

22 days ago

Reply to GhostGuest

Yes I was expecting a decent starter like he did his first year here.

68 Mets, and a young flame thrower sounded exciting. Also I remember gritty veteran Fregosi of the late 60s, not the mid 60s version.

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FungoAle

22 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

LOL…exactly, I’d make that trade 12 times out of 10. “Well, bye.”

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RexFregosi

22 days ago

Reply to GhostGuest

Nolie was too dreamy – i didnt spend much time thinking about #11 in at Shea.

And Fregosi came back when he was best needed

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Cowboy26

22 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

It took just one fastball grunt from the express and I was a fan for life.

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RexFregosi

22 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

50 yrs ago today was the first no hitter

It was Tuesday night and I found out during my LL game

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angelslogic

22 days ago

Tepera DFA? Woo Hoo!!!!!! Finally. Loup is next in line!

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MarineLayer

22 days ago

How about bringing up this guy instead of screwing around with Soto:

Kyren Paris LAA, 2B/SS, 21.5 – Paris was a named target for me this off-season, and he’s been a beast all season at Double-A. He went 2 for 3 with his 9th homer on a beautiful swingyesterday. He’s now slashing .239/.390/.487 with 9 homers, 10 steals, and a 31.9%/17.7% K%/BB% in 31 games. The power has taken a major step forward, which is huge to see considering his double plus speed. The hit tool is still a major concern which prevents his hype from truly exploding, but this is an extremely high upside fantasy player who still gets almost no love. I’m still buying despite the risk.

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RexFregosi

22 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

yep

Paris was often paired with Neto in the field in Tempe in February. Soto is a bit surprising because of his rough start.

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Twebur

22 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Let Paris develop some more, don’t push it because Neto and O’hop worked out.

FREE THE PLUMBER! Should give him another shot.

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rosstrade

22 days ago

Reply to Twebur

Would be nice to see the Plumber get another shot.

He’s tearing it up again in AAA

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GrandpaBaseball

22 days ago

Reply to Twebur

While I agree that another shot should be given, he has no place in the field right now. All positions he can play already have at least two players ahead of him. Maybe later if additional injuries pop up.

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smithy610

22 days ago

Reply to RexFregosi

I’m guessing Soto was chosen because he already had a prior cup of coffee, and despite pedestrian numbers in the minors before his first callup, he did really well in the majors. PTP is probably hoping he can recreate the magic despite his bad minor league numbers this year.

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Cowboy26

22 days ago

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Not sure Soto will get that much playing time unless they really think they need that LHB in the lineup. Hes not going to play short ( except as a backup) so this would be as a defensive replacement at second and a backup at Short and Third until at least Walsh is activated. In the meantime, Gio will be installed full-time at third and I suspect the Angels will give the lion share of the starts to Rengifo at second.

The Angels probably want Paris to continue to play everyday. ( hes only 21 years old) and I think Squid would have gotten the callup but I think hes hurt. I would have loved to give the Plumber a second chance at second but maybe his inferior defense at SS & 3B doomed him.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

22 days ago

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Yah. I’m with you. I don’t get it, unless Soto’s on the “Phillips Plan” and is just gonna be late inning defense while Drury n Urshela play a lot.

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GhostGuest

23 days ago

The Foundation Building Materials’ keystone of the game for today is “Steep Hill of Vicodin Tears” by Winged Victory for the Sullen.

With each Angels victory, we were open to the possibility that this team had the pieces required to compile just enough wins this season to make one of the wildcard spots, but then with each loss we were ripping open the possibility that believing we’d actually make the playoffs this year was just setting ourselves up for a grand, self-inflicted buttercup.

Now that the Angels have lost a series to a team with a losing record, are you ready to give in and commit to the steep hills of Vicodin tears?

https://youtu.be/pJgbF9CVuEw

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smithy610

23 days ago

Rendon most likely to IL with Livan Soto being called up.

At least the drop off from Rendon to Urshela isn’t bad as it was to whoever sack of bags took over at 3B last year, and maybe we get better defense with Urshela. But I would miss Rendon’s .400. OBP. Hopefully it’s a short stint and nothing serious.

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AnAngelsFan

23 days ago

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Over the past 2 weeks, Rendon has been by far the team’s best hitter and Urshela has been the team’s worst. Rendon on the DL during a hot streak and his backup taking over during a cold streak is definitely going to magnify the pain. Although Trout breaking out of his slump would be a nice bandage.

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Angelstan

22 days ago

Reply to AnAngelsFan

Well said. Rendon is one hitter on the team that seems likely to get a hit with guys on base. That skill is important.

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FungoAle

22 days ago

Reply to Angelstan

Free Anthony Rendon

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red floyd

22 days ago

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*With purchase of a second Anthony Rendon. Free Anthony Rendon must be of equal or lesser value than purchased Anthony Rendon.

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MarineLayer

22 days ago

Reply to smithy610

The only thing surprising about this is he made it about 1/4 of the way before talking his usual place on the IL. Don’t forget he leads the majors in errors among 3B, and has a grand total of ONE home run as a cleanup hitter. He was and will continue to be one of the worst contracts in baseball. The Lakers were able to offload Westbrook’s similar but shorter contract for a package of useful players and are now one series away from the Finals. If only Minasian could do the same, there might be enough money in Arturo’s saddlebags to re-sign Ohtani. At any rate, I’m cool with Urshela taking over at 3B. We should be just fine. The defense will improve, we should see better power, and now Minasian can focus on fixing the bullpen.

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Cowboy26

22 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Thanks for feeding the bear Smitty.

Did Rendon get that TRO in effect on you yet ML?

Regardless, Here’s some stats for you, before you rejoice that the king is dead again (or at least indefinitely hobbled)

.247/.264/.258 Gio’s slash line since hitting his only home run over a month ago
.125/.177/.125 Rengifo’s slash line since his last home run over 10 days ago
.213/.231/.361 Renfroes slash line over the last 15 games
.368/.479/.474 Rendon’s slash line over his last 16 games

So the bottom line is this team needs Rendon in the line up. warts and all to be successful since we will probably be carrying 3 sub David Fletchers batters going forward. It’s unfortunate that your obsession has blinded you into a state of irrationality.

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DowningDude

22 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Nice enough fellow but he can’t sit on the keyboard when it comes to a chance to shit on Rendon

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MarineLayer

22 days ago

Reply to DowningDude

Thanks Downing, I actually am a nice guy. Plenty of posters take shots at other players and Angels management but for some reason, Rendon seems to get special treatment here, which I think is undeserved.

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Cowboy26

22 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Seriously ML?

Talking shots at players and management here is a right of passage. But if anything short of what you and Frosty espouse here about Rendon on a daily basis is special treatment you’re completely delusional.

BTW where were your hourly rantings on Grandpa Groundout, Cokehead, & Smells? Are you now trying to make up for your lack of teeth gnashing on those abysmal acquisitions?

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MarineLayer

22 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

It’s not on a daily basis, only when he deserves it, and I actually let most of it go. I don’t know who “Smells” is but I raved constantly about Gramps and Hamilton. In fact, my entire point is pointing out the way the club makes the same mistake over and over again, overpaying for the career year of an aging player with a long-term contract that will suck for at least the end of it. If you don’t like my comments, move your eyes down one inch and read the next one.

BTW, Sam Blum just did an entire segment on how Rendon has failed the club both on the field and off. It was he who got Rendon to say he’s not “Tony Four Bags” which in context was a defensive douchy comment. I’m not going to summarize the entire passage, if you’re interested you can go listen to you. It does a much better takedown of Rendon than I do, and it isn’t personal, just like it isn’t with me.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

22 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Thank gah. I was afraid the scourge of special treatment would spread. Thank you for your service.

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MarineLayer

22 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

No TRO’s for posting opinions on a fan site. Feel free to cherry pick stats. Rendon has been a Pujolsian-level failure as a contract since 2020, while Gio has only been with the club briefly. How about giving him a chance in a full-time gig. He will certainly be an upgrade on the defensive side.

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clover_black

22 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

fine w/ gio as a backup but we arent gonna see better power.

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FungoAle

22 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Rendon > Urshela and I think the Angels want to win, so best to roll out a line-up with the better options

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

22 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

You are here. How could we ever forget any negative detail, no matter how small, or even completely fabricated, about Rendon? You can’t help yourself even when nothing bad happens. We will never be short of “keepin it real” Rendon facts.

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DowningDude

23 days ago

We have a 0.000 win percentage since DFA’ing Tepera

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steelgolf

23 days ago

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Who would have thought that Tepera would be DFA’d before Loup!

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ihearhowie3.0

23 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

He’s next

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smithy610

22 days ago

Reply to ihearhowie3.0

I would think so. Especially as he already used his mystery-injury-but-really-I’m-working-on-stuff card. You only get one.

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MarineLayer

22 days ago

Reply to smithy610

I agree. Why lose another unnecessary game to prove what we already know.

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Mikeal1st

22 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Could it be because Loup’s numbers indicate he’s had a lot of bad luck?

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Mikeal1st

22 days ago

Reply to Mikeal1st

Just read that Fangraphs is saying that Tepera was having really bad luck also. His expected ERA was 4 runs higher than his actual ERA.

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Twebur

22 days ago

Reply to Mikeal1st

Wherever he lands, his numbers will improve. trAdition.

It’s a classic Angel move. Guy is one of your predetermined high-leverage arms, struggles (as you pointed out some bad luck). Did the fake injury thing, then bring him back and force a year long struggling pitcher right back into high-leverage situations again…..instead of giving him an opportunity to find himself in a less stressful situation…..so you go from high leverage to cutting him? Seems dumb, or it’s the Angels. Or, they know the other guys are actually worse than Tepera and it’s not been exposed yet. But that would require us to trust their evaluation of talent and we don’t, nor should we.

Tepera ends up in our Division (just because) and will have an era close to 3.00.

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MarineLayer

22 days ago

Reply to Twebur

I agree. Too bring him into that high leverage situation was gross negligence by Nevin.

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Bob_K

22 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Tepera is a veteran who said he resolved his problems. He is supposed to be a high leverage guy. He shouldn’t need coddling in order to build his confidence. Nevin gave him a chance to prove himself and he failed.

The fact that he was DFA’s right after the failure is a strong indicator that Perry & Nevin were together in this approach. It also indicates that they have been ready to give someone else a try.

Whether or not Tepera revives his career with another team is irrelevant. He wasn’t working for us and the team is trying to get better. We have other options…

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Twebur

22 days ago

Reply to Bob_K

We have other options…

You sound confident…..who are these other options? And I’m not saying we don’t, seems somewhat like a crap shoot with these young pitchers. Tepera could have been eased back, I don’t know what time frame that takes, but if he’s one of your high-lev guys you must think he’s capable and then he’d be worth trying to save. But they went straight to getting rid of him, that says what about our ability to assess players?

Hope you are correct, I guess we will give it a try.

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Cowboy26

22 days ago

Reply to Twebur

I almost feel like This was a power move that Perry made over Phil.

“Okay Phil good luck trying to put the unlucky puss throwing veteran in in late and close situations when I DFA his ass”

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Twebur

22 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

Desperate times require drastic measures..you are making sense.

Maybe it’s time to bring up more from the 20 in 2021. Move’em up to SL for a week or two and get the sticky crap off their hands from the AA ball.
And……
Let it ride, see what they got.

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MarineLayer

22 days ago

Reply to Twebur

This is exactly right. It’s not like there are other better options.

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FungoAle

22 days ago

Reply to Twebur

Tepera had a decent track record before he came to the Angels. The signing made sense to me. Higher strikeouts than innings pitched, ability to get swing and miss. I liked the guy and he was one of the first to jump in on the Mariner brawl. Scores BIG in my book.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

22 days ago

Reply to Mikeal1st

JuJu. We are the us that is always crying “why does this always happen to US?” but never recognizing that “us” is the always in this whole thing.

Search desperately for other reasons, NEED someone else to blame, but plenty of other teams have clown managers and assholes for owners and this shit doesn’t happen. All the sniveling “traDition/Buttercup” shit and hatred of our own players “cause Arte”…. the baseball gods hate our team because too many Angels fans are SDE assholes.

Collectively we pretty much hate wished Loup, Tepera, Walsh, Rendon, Anderson would have these seasons and…. “poof” the collective anus got what it wanted. “You were right.” Good job, here’s a bag of shit, eat it, or freeze it and fk yourselves with it. These are the only prize options available.

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TrojanBoiler

22 days ago

Reply to steelgolf

Tepera was out of mystery ailments.

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steelgolf

22 days ago

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