LA Angels Tuesday News Crash: Elsewhere

The Dodgers have until January 6 to decide what they will do about Trevor Bauer. They are widely expected to release him since there are voices in the clubhouse who would rather see him elsewhere.

We are ramping up toward the trial about the Angels liability in the death of Tyler Skaggs.

Bleacher Report gives the Angels a “C” for their 2016 draft. Notably, Brandon Marsh worked out well enough to be traded for Logan O’Hoppe.

Aaron Judge won the 2022 AP Male Athlete of the Year, beating out Shohei Ohtani and Stephen Curry.

The Nationals signed Michael Chavis to a minor league deal. Meanwhile, the Tigers purchased Tyler Nevin from the Orioles for cash considerations. Tyler Danish got a minor league deal with the Yankees.

Saturday was the 50th anniversary of the passing of Roberto Clemente. R.I.P.

Happy belated birthday to Sandy Koufax.

Here are the notable dates for the upcoming MLB season.

This is a video compilation of weird things that happened at baseball games in 2022.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago

LOL @ the Blew Crew-They’re putting off a no-win situation for their org (yay!).

Do they keep the pariah and justify it or pay him to probably go to a division rival?

Tick-tock Meaux Feauxs!!

Last edited 1 year ago by Angelz4ever
GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Who was the last MLB GM who over saw everything for an owner? Maybe no one ever has done that since the long arm of Branch Rickey. Why pay for a GM and a POBO? If your position is Chief of scouting, why have more than a GM or POBO to report to? The more layers the less control and oversight. How many Presidents, Vice Presidents, POBO, VP of team’s business, GM, Director, office manager, etc, does one team need.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago

Most GM’s up until the 90’s did that through the Mad Men day where the GM’s were the personal drinking buddies of the team owners. I think that was a prerequisite requirement during the job interview process. It certainly was with the Cowboy.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cowboy26
Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago

Great video. Nice links today.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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OK. Can someone who is far more knowledgeable, or at least vocal, about this stuff tell me how to organize this in my head….

So a POBO is totally different than a GM. How? Don’t know. But a POBO is definitely Batman and the GM is just Robin. They have totally different powers and duties. It’s just, unlike superheroes, we have no clue what they are.

Brian Cashman is the Senior VICE President of Baseball Operations AND General Manager for the Yankees. So…. the Senior. Does that just mean he’s old? Or does it mean he has more power to speak truth to power than a mere normie VICE Prez? One thing is for sure, he doesn’t have nearly the ability to ignore marketing and accounting concerns with the power of his baseball man purity as a strait up PRESIDENT of Baseball Ops.

But what’s up with the AND GM? Is he like He-Man, where most of the time he is just a wuss GM who sucks up to the owner and isn’t a real baseball man, but when he lifts the Bat of Power and yells “By the Powah of Jeetah!” he transforms into a semi-rad VPOBO? Who is not quite as rad as a full POBO, who can just maverick the shit out of things and never talks to the owner or his minions about baseball stuff. How does that work?

And WTF? Brian Sabean is now the Executive Advisor to the Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations and General Manager of the New York Yankees, protector of the faith and sovereign of Austria, Spain and The Lowlands? Does that make him what? Gandolf? Does he have to talk to the owner? How pure is his baseball manness? Does he nurture star players like rare tulips and know which relief pitchers will cost 4 million dollars but pitch lights out because he’s so much more than a GM? Or is he more like Ant Man? A dork that says something funny all the time but actually isn’t even on the same power level as a GM?

But most important, if we just rename our GM to Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations and General Manager of the Pacific Theater do we win the war? Anybody know how his magic powers have changed? Does he control a giant robot? Obviously I don’t understand the DandaChamp Universe hierarchy of powers. Is there like a guide I can buy? Can someone point me to Black Widow’s office?

I’m lost.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago

In most cases they seem to be duplicitous. Or at least mislabled.

I think I’d set up an MLB front office with different labels. Like I’d want one team focusing on prospects with a pitching division and position player division. Then I’d want another set of teams focusing on pitching and position players already in organized baseball to identify trade targets and future free agent targets. Then I’d need a team dedicated to the prospects in our system.

Call them what you want, but they’d all feed information into a central manager who would then report to an executive who has insight into the budget.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Did you mean duplicative?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Please keep to words to less than three syllables on this site, I can’t keep up….

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Yep.

I knew it was duplic-something, ha ha.

2002heaven
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I have all the answers…….
Quit drafting utility role players in the first three rounds and catchers that can’t catch….
 💪  💪  💪 

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
1 year ago

I’m not one of the POBO advocates, but I believe the concept is that a POBO would combine the duties of a GM with the ownership-level activities of Carpino/Moreno. Essentially, people imagine a POBO as a GM with less interference from Moreno.

In corporate terms, it would be the difference between a company president that reports weekly/monthly to the Board of Directors and is under their close scrutiny (GM) compared to a CEO/Chairman who basically runs the company without interference as long as the share price keeps rising (POBO).

Last edited 1 year ago by AnAngelsFan
Twebur
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1 year ago

Elites love their titles. They are the best and smartest, with enormous brains and thoughts too complex for us normals to comprehend. They are often misunderstood by us minions, their ideas are too intelligent, too technical, we can’t understand it…..That leaves the elites frustrated and sad. So they create another, better, more powerful title. “It’s science.”

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Funny. I’ve actually seen it from a different standpoint. The minions think that they have valuable opinions, even though most never did any of the hard work to learn something well enough to have an opinion that matters.

Elites who have gotten there by inheriting their wealth- I agree with you completely.

Elites who have worked hard for everything they have accomplished and have dedicated decades to learning have opinions that deserve a higher position of respect than the ordinary Joe who thinks they know everything about everything but actually know very little about the subject- such as science.

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Scientists and educated elites come to different conclusions about data all the time and can have drastically different opinions. 

I know my place as an uneducated minion…but, when the elites tell me “this or that” with the illusion of consensus, I become skeptical and usually think the opposite. 

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  Twebur

Unfortunately there are few absolutes unless we are talking about whether the sun will rise in the East and set in the West. Most of life is in the grey area where honest and intelligent people might disagree with each other. This can be frustrating as it causes uncertainty – particularly when honest experts disagree. But it does not mean these experts are wrong or should be ignored- there is just honest disagreement. It’s hard to do but sometimes you have to accept and live with different explanations and theories and be okay with that.

There is also a difference between honest disagreement between experts and folks who intentionally disseminate false information on social media to stir up shit. But that is for another discussion.

Last edited 1 year ago by Fansince1971
Fansince1971
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1 year ago

I’m not so sure the distinction is as important as the management chain. When you have a POBO, that person is responsible for overseeing everything that is baseball operation related. Marketing is kept separate. The POBO is a high ranking executive with power who controls everything about scouting, player development, strength and conditioning, the minor league systems etc. The POBO has a budget and allocates resources to baseball operations as he/she sees fit.

I suppose you could call that person a GM, but from what I’ve seen, GMs usually report to an owner in the chain of command, are lower on the totem pole and are not usually anything more than a low level executive. The GMs I have been familiar with don’t make direct budgetary decisions (except to be told they have a certain amount to spend on free agents) and don’t make decisions as to how to allocate assets to baseball operations. They don’t have that authority.

POBOs tend to have more power, but again that could be just semantics if a GM position were created that had that power. From my understanding, the decisions, as to how much money to allocate (and how that money is allocated) to scouting, minor leagues, player, development, coaching and strength and conditioning are Arte’s not Perry’s.

I have argued for the Angels to have a POBO due to the Organization’s emphasis on marketing folks (Kuhl, Carpino ets) as opposed to baseball people. In my opinion, marketing should be separate and the Orgs I have seen with a POBO do that since there is a clear distinction and line of command drawn.

When the top people in an organization are marketing folks, as opposed to baseball people, bad baseball decisions are often made. Having a high ranking executive that oversees all of baseball operations and determines budgets and allocates resources creates a command chain which might not exist with a GM who doesn’t have that power.

Of course, if you gave the GM, the full powers and authority of a POBO, then there would be no need for both. I have not seen that happen before. Typically the GM does not have that kind of power.

As it relates to the Angels, it would seem to me that a true POBO could take Carpino and Kuhl, marketing person etc out of any baseball decisions which would be a good thing. Arte would give a budget for baseball operations to the POBO and that executive would allocate those resources as he/she sees fit – not according to Arte or his marketing goons. The POBO could also have more pull in arguing for additional baseball monies.

Last edited 1 year ago by Fansince1971
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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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This has been the best answer.

2002heaven
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1 year ago

loved his show on KGO 710AM in the Bay Area alas they changed to sports talk recently

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

My guess, that’s 2002…..💪😂🪠❗️

h27kim
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I imagine the title could be POBO, GM, janitor-in-chief, or the grand sagamore and it would not matter. The sense that most of us have, though, is that the top baseball executive in the Angels organization lacks the authority to do baseball things as he seems necessary, with not only Arte, but also people like Carpino and Kuhl (ie marketing people who don’t care much about running a baseball team and even less about the team that they are working for) being higher up on the totem pole. We want to see signs that there is a commitment to a higher emphasis on “baseball operations.”. A more imposing title would be a start, but only if it came with more authority.

Last edited 1 year ago by h27kim
Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  h27kim

Well said

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago

I know that a Po’Boy is different, but I dunno if that helps…..

FungoAle
Super Member
1 year ago

When engaging other companies and understanding hierarchy, I always found a simple org chart can speak volumes. But roles and responsibilities of similar titles will vary from team to team.

Yankees have 22 vice presidents, Angels have 3. That must be why they are better.

Clear to me that Perry would benefit by having a superior on the baseball side of operations. Struggles with roster construction.

ihearhowie3.0
Super Member
1 year ago

I sort of feel like POBO is not unlike POTUS – they’re the face/big name/primary communicator with final say or big picture vision but the GM is the chief of staff who does most of the actual leg work.

Angelz4ever
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Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

So He hasn’t changed his mind yet?

Angelz4ever
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Ahaha, that made me snicker….did he change his mind?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Angelz4ever

Now I’m questioning his sanity…..

Twebur
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1 year ago

Self-blame and guilt will set in…give it time.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago
Reply to  Angelz4ever

He mentioned Disneyland three or more times in the full interview. Sounds like the dude really wants to take his family there a lot.

Too bad Disney doesn’t still own the team. We might’ve gotten him for minimum wage plus free passes for life.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’m not sure $17 million is enough to buy lifetime season passes for his entire family, at least not if he wants to eat, wear clothes and have a house to live in too.

Eric_in_Portland
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Grants Pass is a long way from Anaheim. That distance is more than New York to Chicago. But ok. If he’s happy, I’m happy.

clover_black
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

is this the first confirmed public statement that disneyland has helped lure a free agent? perry is gonna add that slide into the power point presentation.

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  clover_black

Can Robin Lopez pitch?

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago

So Cal team – check
Best Player in the game – check
Not enough supporting cast at other positions – check
Equates to not winning your league (not even close) – check

Caleb goes for 462 yds and 5 TDs, yet they lose?

USC Football = Angels baseball

Twebur
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1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Angels have a better defensive coordinator……even though they don’t have one.

fighton.wav – USC fight song deflates. 

Cowboy26
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1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

An offensive centric team.

No Check

halofansince1978
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

Same fate for that rookie Raider Quartrerback yesterday.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Woke up to new falling snow in the mountains of the San Bernardino’s. Really, four season weather is awesome in SoCal. Everyone’s dogs love the snow except mine. We even got them new sweaters for Christmas, they’re just as ugly as any other sweater made for dogs, but they don’t like their sweaters either. Have a great time today everyone, say a little prayer for Damar while you are at it.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Wing Nut Trevor Bauer will never pitch for the Dodgers ever again. OK, I get it. But will any team take a chance on paying him 1 million dollars to pitch again? We will see, but I say that some team will roll the dice and take the gamble as they will not be able to turn away.

Jeff Joiner
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1 year ago

I bet somebody will sign Bauer.

In order:
Houston – they already traded for Osuna and their owner is a dick.
Yankees – Domingo German is on the active roster, Aroldis Chapman was for years

From a purely baseball standpoint it would be genius for Cleveland to get him then trade one of their surplus starters for a stud OF’er.

Twins also make a ton of sense from a pure baseball standpoint.

Bob_K
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

To sign Bauer, a team needs a strong culture, especially within the pitchers/catchers, to avoid Bauer’s shenanigans derailing the team. Houston & NYY are two teams that seem to have this. Angels, probably not so much.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

OK, I get it, Aaron “Here comes the Judge” may have set a legit HR record. Best Male Athlete of the year though. Did the Sporting World in New York just not pay attention? Please….Shohei was the best athlete in the World in 2022 period. Name just one player in the history of MLB that did or can do what he can do…..Case Closed, next….

ScoopleDoople
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Totally 100% agree with that.

WallyChuckChili
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1 year ago

But Chicks dig the Long Ball!

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Koufax is the best pitcher in Los Angeles Dodgers history. No pitcher in the Brooklyn Dodgers history came even close in greatness to Sanday Koufax. You had to see to believe just how good he was for 6 years running. Happy Birthday Sandy. 🎂  😃 

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Still remember the morning news of Roberto and the airplane loaded with humanitarian supplies being reported missing. Sad day it was, he is to this day the best Right Fielder I have ever seen play MLB.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I remember it also. Sad day. Such a good guy suddenly gone.

Marcotor
Trusted Member
1 year ago

We were at the Newport restaurant and my dad came from the back, I could tell he had been crying and asked him what was wrong. Clemente was his favorite player, favorite person. There wasn’t a game we missed in LA or San Diego if the Pirates were playing.

GrandpaBaseball
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1 year ago

Good morning my friends, praying for Damar Hamlin, Buffalo Bills safety who went into cardiac arrest last night during MNF game in Cincinnati.