LA Angels Thursday News Crash: Nevin Stays

Phil Nevin stays as Manager of the Angels for one more year at least. Shohei Ohtani is the first player ever to qualify as both a hitter and as a pitcher (for the awards) in the same season. Here are some statistics about him.

Don Mattingly might even stay with the Marlins, but in a different capacity. He is apparently not fully retiring. Jose Urena is interested in re-signing with the Rockies and the feeling is mutual. Sam Haggerty of the Mariners is now on the injured list with a groin strain. Reds designated right hander Robert Duggar for assignment so they could activate catcher Aramis Garcia from the 60 day IL. The Yankees placed reliever Ron Marinaccio on the injured list.

The Rays selected Jimmy Yacabonis and designated Kevin Herget for assignment.

Panama made it into the World Baseball Classic.

Photo credit: Rex Fregosi

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smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago

Man, I gotta say, I miss getting the notifications on my phone re: the game’s lineup and that the game is due to start soon.

Mia
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Mia
1 year ago

So Perry wanted to manage from the front office and Joe wasn’t having it.

Well that sure fills in a lot of blanks for me.

Hard to argue with the way the Dodgers, Giants, and Braves go about their business…

Last edited 1 year ago by Mia
PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

Totally agree. Disliking a team should not prevent us from seeing what they do better.

Not sure that Perry’s call or Joe’s response were correct but when people ask me how i tolerate my boss the answer is always the same: We I get along fine…that’s also part of my job.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  PedroCerrano

I think, though it’s just thinking, that Arte finally hired a GM and got the hell out of the way. Other than not playing sugar daddy to a bunch of simps as regards bigger and bigger payrolls he didn’t really get involved with roster stuff after Rendon. It looks/sounds like PTP is doing a lot of the stuff I had been wishing we’d do and Arte isn’t involved. Why we had Maddon for a manager I do not know, maybe Arte bought into the “he worked with Epstein” idea. Most of CtPG did. Unfortunately the team will be sold (that’s fine) and we probably won’t see if any of this works because I’m sure it wasn’t a one year plan (that’s a shame).

The thing is, I bet NewOwnerz is a fan of what the Dodgers, Yankees, Braves, Cardinals and Giants do too…. so things may continue in much the same vein with a new GM and Manager and maybe even a POBO in 2024.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Mia

All I know is, when I look at what teams like the Cards, Astros, A’s, Rays, Braves, Gindians, Brewers, Giants, Yankees, Dodgers etc have done over the past few years all I can think is we need a POBO, which is totally different than a GM, who Arte will seed complete control over baseball decisions to. That POBO then needs to hire someone like Tony La Russa so that he can be totally ignored when it comes to all that scouting and analysis his crew does because STUBBLE and FEELS. We also need ll of this to work within twelve months. Oh, and also make our #29 farm system at least #10 too.

It’s what we’ve all been asking for this whole damn time. Why so hard?

Marcotor
Trusted Member
1 year ago

We need a POBO that has lots of grit. And fire. And more grit as he does things no mere mortal without grit and fire can do. Gritty dick-swinging grit like “We fly flags”!

(then lose to the same team in the playoffs year after year)

Then our fiery, gritty POBO will hire Erstad and Percival because they have grit. It will be a grit spectacular!

Last edited 1 year ago by Marcotor
tommyshalo
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Marcotor

…and of course, WINNING CULTUREZZZ!!!

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Mia

I would say it is not necessarily the way they do their business as it is the people who are doing it, if that makes sense. I think the people the Dodgers have in place (talking more about Friedman, Walter etc, NOT Dave Roberts) could succeed with any number of approaches. For instance, Friedman showed he could collaboarte (did it with Maddon in Tampa Bay) and does not need to be calling all the shots…

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

I like how PTP has gone from telling Maddon to do one thing in one game to “calling all the shots”. Which is, of course, also very different than having meetings before the game where the big brains tell you which pitchers should probably get rest, etc.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Did I say PTP was calling ALL the shots?

No. Lol.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Sighhhh….

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 year ago

I really just checked in say thanks to all for their post and patience with mine…then I got sucked into the vortex of internet forum bitching. I’m ashamed of my behavior and promise not to do again until the next time I do.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 year ago

Let’s assume the neither Perry nor Maddon could have achieved in life what they have without being very smart. Often times people who are accustomed to always being the smartest person in the room clash with folks who are the same, often times with results just like this. IQ is important in these roles but can be over valued so Emotional Intelligence (EQ) is the trait that I hope Perry, Nevin, New Owner or TBD possesses. Data or straight old school approaches are valueless without consensus. There isn’t one Band-Aid that can fix so many wounds and a new owner won’t change much unless that person/group comes in with a complete cultural makeover. The symptom of this disease is losing teams but the disease itself is poor decision making and planning over many years IMHO.

Bill Stoneman worked very hard to build organizational philosophies and “The Angel Way” coped from the 70s Dodgers with playing standards and buy in at every level of the organization. It wasn’t perfect but it was a plan and though we as fans often complained because we wanted shiny new player toys the teams were normally way better.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Wow !

I just found this BOMBSHELL online.

As I had suspected and written here on CTPG earlier in the season, it appears indeed as if Minasian and Maddon had a power struggle, with PTP breaking the cardinal rule of inserting himself in game management/strategy.

You simply do not do this. Especially to a proven guy like Maddon. This now explains the showing up late and all the other stuff. At the time it came out I suggested that was passive-aggressive behavior on Joe’s part. And who knows what else Perry did/said to undermine and offend Joe.

Joe Maddon Says Angels GM Told Him to Pull Trout Mid-Game (msn.com)

Didn’t see smithy’s comment below, so looks like it was brought up about an hour ago…

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Nice link. I’m not sure where to go on this but my best thought is that you don’t pull Trout, he pulls himself. I like math/analytics but the best measure of if Trout should be in, is Trout’s own opinion.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

It’s not 1995. If the owner hired a GM and says the GM is gonna generally manage everything then there you go.

I gotta love you guys. It sound like, as he faced the Rendon bummer and paying off Pujols, Arte hired a GM, a GM who would bring analytics directly to the players and into the clubhouse. A GM that worked for 2 orgs we envy. And Arte stayed out of personnel decisions. No “Arte Splashes” since Perry. Even when it came to the manager he let his FO be the FO. He didn’t fall in love with Maddon the way he did Soth. Also, the farm’s getting built up.

And…. you’re pissed. It took longer than a year and a half to build a winner. So we don’t want that anymore I guess. We all weep for the catty twelve year old girl PTP fired as manager who has sucked ass since the 2020 season. We need that special unicorn manager that knows all the data…. and then says data be damned!

This is stupid. We deserved the 2022 Angels.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

We clearly don’t see Maddon the same way. For some reason you view him as some “wanna be hip” old dude. I don’t give a shit about the music he listens to or if he loves to surf and wear a mohawk. The guy can manage. Plain and simple.

If Arte wanted to go the Dodgers route and have a puppet in the dugout then you hire Dave Roberts. You don’t hire Joe Maddon. It sounds like Arte was really clueless and directionless in all of this. My complaint about a lack of a strong organizational culture and direction is really highlighted and proven by this.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

It’s plain and simple that the guy COULD manage once.

FungoAle
Super Member
1 year ago

Agree, Joe has horrible managing IQ, it’s all just, “what’s shaking in my pocket, baby” seat of the pants style BS. Creepy. He’s done as a manager. He can join Girardi on the links.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I agree, first unless one of those guys comes out and say’s that directly I don’t believe pretty much anything I read on the net. Two, when there was the power play between Scioscia and Dipoto for pretty much the same thing, a lot of the folks here wanted Dipoto to fire Scoiscia, because he was not listening to or using the analytics that Dipoto was trying to provide him, so last time they fired the GM because Artie was not willing to go against Scoiscia and this time they fired Madden because (I would assume Artie) give his blessing. Everything needs to take a step back, with the ownership change most likely when the sale is completed both the GM and the Manager are gone when the new owners install their people. I for one will be sorry to see Perry go, I think he has made more good moves then poor moves.

Fansince1971
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1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Maybe this explains the Nevin deal. He allows Minasian to meddle

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

I don’t know about meddling. If he works with the FO guys on a daily basis and actually functions in partnership with them do they really need to meddle in games?

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

In short: Nevin is another Dave Roberts.

A yes-man.

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago

That’s a reasonable point. But I do think such an arrangement can risk a situation where the GM begins to manage during the game – which I think is unreasonable.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Totally agree.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Fansince1971

I don’t think a GM will ever try to manage during a game through a manager…. it’s just too dang slow and difficult.

I also think none of this changes the fact that Joe Maddon’s kind of a bitch.

rosstrade
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Wow, so that’s what happened….

I like Perry even less that I did before….

2pints
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Sounds like the plot to Moneyball

FungoAle
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I’m waiting for Joe to tell the press that it was Perry that ordered him to walk Seager with the bases loaded.

While I hate meddling and not a Perry fanboy, get over it Maddon.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago

Are we there yet?

jefeRey14x
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Don’t touch each other and don’t look at each other, or I’ll turn around this off-season right now!

rosstrade
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Thanks to all of you who have posted your thoughts, opinions, hopes on the Halos this season on this board.

And thanks to JJ and the other content providers who manage and add to this site.

I’ve been a Halos fan for many years but I’ve have never lived in Orange County. I don’t even know another Angels follower.

CtPG has been a great way for me to enhance my Angels baseball experience.

Many thanks,

Clyde

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago

Excerpt from joe’s book dropped

the first day of the off season is a lot more interesting lol

“This is the way the Braves did it. This is the way the Braves did it.”

must read – really pulled back the curtains of PTP and April and Joe.

my conclusion on the season has turned – it wasnt the hitting or the injuries that did us it, it were bugs and ineffciencies in the FOs computer algorithms that lost 2022.

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

my conclusion on the season has turned – it wasnt the hitting or the injuries that did us it, it were bugs and ineffciencies in the FOs computer algorithms that lost 2022.

Wow Rex, I thought you just were being sarcastic. I just finished the piece, and wow. Joe wasn’t faultless in his firing, but I don’t blame him for being pissed about it either.

That bit probably explains why we were all going crazy here in CtPG re: his bullpen usage during that ugly losing streak.

Last edited 1 year ago by smithy610
GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  smithy610

Joe had no solutions to the problems at the time. Regardless of the roster construction, it’s the manager’s job to figure how to make it work. I was hesitant at first on his dismissal, but when he later came out and said that he was growing a Mohawk to counter the problems and “rally the team,” my head was turned after that.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

but if the GM is giving instructions about who can be used and who can’t be, that makes it more difficult for the manager to figure how to make it work, no?

Here’s something I forgot but really stuck out to me when I read this piece, about the 12 game losing streak (that became 14 games): “Los Angeles held 10 leads in those dozen games and lost them all.”

GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I’m not absolving blame from the GM by any means…think I’ve made my stance on him pretty clear hehe. In that moment of time though, if your boss is asking something of you and you aren’t – A: Delivering Results, B: Following instructions, or C: both – don’t be surprised if a pink slip comes your way.

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago

I would be interested to see if Perry entertains and answers questions about this, if at all. I mean, as GM, he really had to “do something.” Joe was the easiest one to let go.

Here’s something I forgot but really stuck out to me when I read this piece, about the 12 game losing streak (that became 14 games): “Los Angeles held 10 leads in those dozen games and lost them all.”

That correlates directly with bullpen usage, doesn’t it?

I’m curious though, wasn’t Theo Epstein Joe’s boss during his tenure with the Cubs? Wasn’t Epstein’s FO already like that?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  smithy610

Why? Why would you come out and say “Nuh uh. He’s the geek!” if you’re PTP?

This whole thing by Maddon is a pussy ass move…. which is why he keeps having to explain that he’s not butt hurt and he’s only saying these things for the good of the game.

You should read more old press about Epstein’s rumored estimation of Joe. They were not really on the same page, it’s just Joe managed to barely not f*** up a World Series win so they were stuck with each other.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 year ago

I was super excited when they hired Maddon but also grew tired of his bullpen usage. The result were better under Nevin perhaps due to him allowing starters to see the third time around the lineup more often. Sometimes it seemed that he did things just to be contrarian that weren’t actually better.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  GonFishin

Bu bu but….. he’s a people person who looks players in the eyes and knows…. stuff. Thus mohawk.

I love that, in that excerpt, he literally fk whips his boss and then is like “I never saw getting fired coming.”

Idiot.

jefeRey14x
Member
1 year ago

“Listen, don’t you ever f—— call down to the dugout again!” Maddon said.

Exactly how I keep my boss out of my territory. Works EVERY time. He worships me daily.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  jefeRey14x

Maybe it doesn’t work for us because we aren’t geniuses who go out and get a mohawk when the people we manage are underperforming?

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  jefeRey14x

Perry was not Maddon’s boss, lol. ARTE was his boss.

Have you ever heard the phrase used in the corporate world “stay in your lane.” ???

PTP was NOT staying in his lane when he did that. Joe would not call Perry on draft day and say “I need you to draft this guy.” So, the flip side is that Perry should not interfere in the in-game decision making.

jefeRey14x
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Maddon’s firing had not been Moreno’s idea, anyway. It was Minasian’s. The GM spoke with Moreno just that morning and told the owner what he had in mind. “If this is what you decide is needed to right the ship, go ahead,” Moreno told him, according to a team source familiar with the conversation. “It’s totally your call.”

Umm, did you read this part?

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  jefeRey14x

That does not contradict what I said. Perry STILL had to get the okay from Arte to fire Joe. It is Arte’s team, not Perry’s. If it was an absentee owner that would be different. Arte is FAR from being a hands-off or absentee owner.

jefeRey14x
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I assume you’re never going to agree that Minasian was “officially” Joe’s boss…but…um…whatever, man.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  jefeRey14x

Exactly….

“Hey there manager. I’m hiring a new GM. He’s gonna do lots of things differently because we suck. We need to start making changes to how we do things. You’re gonna do what he says how he says to do it because he’s the general manager. I’ll keep overpaying you to suck. Sound good? OK.”

  • Love, the owner.
Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 year ago

I detect a lot of editorializing in your comment.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

I don’t even know a guy named Ed.

Though, in all seriousness, anytime anything kicks off with BOMBSHELLLLL! DID YOU SEE! OH MAH GIRSH! NOW WE KNOW MY FEELS IS REALS!

It’s pretty much gonna be all editorializing and bullshit from there.

Last edited 1 year ago by gitchogritchoffmypettis
JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Coming from the master of editorializing….

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Isn’t that what I just said? We’re all pretty much editorial at this point… starting with Joe….

Though I get why this must be rough for you. I mean, the only thing you need more than to have an opinion you’re all beefy about is the need to share it. But holy shit does it seem to hurt you when people think you’re wrong. Life’s a trip huh.

But yes, as the master of most things I do, I am also a master at editorializing.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Actually, the GM is the managers boss. Also of note, the GM’s lane is what ever the owner tells him it is. What do you think, PTP is just calling Joe at random? It’s pretty obvious Arte told the entire org that he’s hiring a Braves guy to install doing things the Braves way. I also seriously doubt PTP was involved in many in game decisions…. this sounds more like Maddon was told not to start Trout and did it anyway….

So burnt assed Maddon, knowing everyone loves Trout, trots out his “Hey everburday! He call say no Trout! Be anger!”

You know, Trout, who never wears down or gets hurt.

If your instant reaction to this is YOU DO NOT IS SACRED! then you’re the sucker Maddon is looking for.

jefeRey14x
Member
1 year ago

Exactly. Perhaps Mr. Frost could point out the many MLB orgs whose field managers hire/fire the FO GMs.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  jefeRey14x

The Angeles when Scioscia had Dipoto fired.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Dogface1956

You mean the way it should be apparently? No wait, we hated that…. oh wait, we want that now… Oh wait, fans are stupid. Fan is short for fanatic though, hurr durr.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
1 year ago

At the time I remember most of the folks here (or haloheaven) wanted Scosicia fired because he was not using the info Dipoto was giving him, now I guess if the GM fires the manager for not using said information the GM should be fired, or not.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Dogface1956

Shhhhhh…. we never actually bring up the giant pile of dry and desiccated shells from CtPG guy’s past extremely forceful and loud outrage blasts.

Just nod your head, play like you agree, don’t make eye contact unless you want poop tossed at you, and then go about your business.

jefeRey14x
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Dogface1956

Dipoto resigned his post on July 1, 2015.

Dogface1956
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  jefeRey14x

It’s pretty much been a accepted “fact” around here that Scosicia delivered a “it’s me or him” ultimatum to Artie and there goes Dipoto, because of Artie’s love of all things Scosicia. So the Angeles just turned the page on Dipoto. Taking a page out of Scosicia play book so to speak.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  jefeRey14x

That is not what I mean. The GM’s who fire managers pretty much all do so at the discretion of the owner. THAT is what I meant.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

See my comment above.

I agree that ARTE did have to okay all this. So, yes, at the end of the day it falls at Arte’s feet. That does not mean necessarily that Arte ordered the Code Red of Perry calling the dugout.

IF Arte did give that order I don’t have the same venom for Perry.

At the end of the day Arte is a complete and total JOKE as an owner.

If you want to have an all-powerful GM and a puppet in the dugout YOU DON’T HIRE JOE MADDON.

Arte has no idea what he is doing. Sell the team. End of story.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Just because a manager is getting direction from the analytics dept doesn’t make him a puppet. He still has to manage the coaches, the interpersonal stuff with the players, and make decisions that go along with the guidelines he was given in the meeting he was just at.

There are plenty of managers, managers who seem to win a lot of games, who actually see that meddlesome backing of an entire analytics department as helpful.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Sorry, but the GM calling the manager mid-game and telling him to pull a player DOES make the manager a puppet.

Even if your other suggestion was true (that Maddon was told not to start Trout and did anyway) that would still make Maddon a puppet.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Then yes. We need a puppet. Maddon fucking sucked.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Did he “fucking suck” when they were 27-13 ??

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

Um. Yes. Or was 130 and 148 the record your red ass has been clamoring for all these years?

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

GMs hire and fire Managers all the time. How doesn’t that equate to boss/employee?

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  PedroCerrano

If you worked for Disney 5 years ago your “boss” was Robert Iger.

Not some supervisor or middle manager who fired you.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

???? Either your grammar sucks…. or you’re really reaching here. It doesn’t really matter. GMs and POBWGAFs are, by their nature, a manager’s boss since they run a bigger chunk of the bigger picture and usually set the tone as far as keeping or firing a manager.

2pints
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

lol what a stupid hill to die on

did Iger also approve everyone’s PTO requests?

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Lavar Ball to former Colin Cowherd co host Kristine Leahy? LOL!!!

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

If FO had a “plan” for how the bullpen usage is going to be, and Maddon followed it to a T, and it ended up in that horrible losing streak, whose fault is that really?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  smithy610

First, did Maddon follow it to a T? Second, it doesn’t change anything. If the org is going full on Braves/Dodgers/Rays/A’s/Giants Top Down Analytical Management you gotta stick with it, losing streak, losing season, or not. You can’t build it, then stop, then build some more, but then stop.

And no. Your old washed up manager can’t be at the head of that decision tree…. which is why Joe wasn’t wearing a Cubs jersey anymore.

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago

First, did Maddon follow it to a T? 

Did we know that he did not?

And yes, I agree that if you commit to analytics, you stick to it, losing streak or not. So why fire Maddon and Perry say “I gotta do something.”?

I get it – Maddon is not Perry’s guy. And if Arte gave him the ok to fire Maddon, then so be it. But I don’t think all of what happened is just the fault of one guy, lots of blame to go around. It’s just interesting to hear it from Maddon’s perspective how it all went down. I’m sure Perry has a different perspective as well.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  smithy610

I said it when Maddon was fired, I’ll say it again. I am 100% sure they weren’t gonna bring Maddon back because he wasn’t very good. Firing him wasn’t ever seen as removing the primary problem. The primary problem was actually our bullpen pitchers and Trout/Ohtani really sucking. But you fire a manager, especially one you aren’t going to extend, to let the players (who you can’t fire) know they have screwed the pooch and cost a man his job.

This would pretty much be the definition of having to do something.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 year ago

except it didn’t work. Otherwise, good idea.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

Disagree. Joe was an easy Fall Guy in Chicago. You can choose to blame him for the decline, or you can take a more balanced view.

But it is not just a coincidence that the 14 game losing streak happened shortly after Perry’s antics on May 9th and the subsequent blow-up.

In my mind Perry torpedoed the season. This piece of news is shocking and really shows where the blame needs to be placed. If Arte gave Perry the orders to do it, then that would of course be different.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  JackFrost

Why would Arte order Perry to tell Maddon to pull Trout? All he has to do is say Perry (and Joe), you’re in charge of every aspect OF BASEBALL OPPERATIONS, which includes line up input. Joe, do what Perry says.

And, tah dah. There you go. Unless you start Trout after being told not to. Then you get a phone call in the middle of a game.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

If Arte sold Joe a bill of goods and was not up front about his plans for Perry then he essential LIED to Joe.

I have to believe this was the case, because there is no way in hell Joe takes that job knowing he’d be a puppet of the GM.

Arte is a total dick and an incompetent ignoramus as an owner.

Last edited 1 year ago by JackFrost
Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 year ago

then Perry should be GM/Manager.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

He is – Nevin is just there to be a buddy to the players. He’s PTPs “piss boy”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OWMB3ewpNM

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  GonFishin

But is it Joe’s fault that Raisel, the Dutcman, Lorenzen, and Tepura all decided to suck right after Reid Detmer’s No No?

Last edited 1 year ago by 2002heaven
gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

I’ve always said it, I still say it, owner, POBO, GM, manager, coaches…. I don’t care who the people who need someone to blame decide to blame, it’s the f***ing players who, in the end, f*** up. During our bad streak that was mostly bullpen, Trout and Ohtani.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  smithy610

Bu bu but…. science? Holy f*** could I fill 70 websites just cutting and pasting comments from Halos Heaven about “embracing modern analytics” and “Soth is a relic of a bygone era.” type stuff.

In baseball, as with stock trading and everything else data driven, if you’re gonna go “data” then you have to stick with it. Following the data but then “going with your gut” when ever you get a case of the feels is how you guarantee the whole system doesn’t work. You adjust the data/system itself (after researching it) if your Lylin Eyes are really telling you something. But the “data informed manager who goes with his gut day in and day out” is bullshit. This is why “analytics managers” meat with the FO daily, to inform the FO of what they are seeing, coaches are telling him, etc. How great a job do you think Old Joe was doing on that end with PTP…… from the golf course?

I read the excerpt. All I thought was it should have been titled “I sucked a huge bag of dicks for several years…. here’s how it’s not my fault.”. The subtitle, as expected, should be “Why nerds should tell the zanny genius Joe Maddon what to do.”

Maddon. The expensive piece of shit ego machine CtPG guy was always asking for…. and labelling Soth. Do we want analytics? Do we want our FO to work like the Dodgers, Giants and Braves? I do. F*** Joe’s mohawk and f*** all this manipulative sepia gradient mask “fabric of the relationships of the magic of the game” bullshit. As though Gabe Kapler or Andrew Freidman have no relationship with players.

Also of note. Classier exit, Joe Maddon or Mike Scioscia?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Legend

Soth was classier by a mile. He likely had some of the feelings Joe had but he didn’t torch the franchise on the way out. I respect that.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago

Mike punked and outlasted a few GMs.
Joe is just red-assed about getting dumped. He still wants to be on stage too.

RexFregosi
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

cant wait for Sosh’s book lol

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  RexFregosi

“IT’S A COOK BOOK!”

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  DowningDude

Gold.

Recipes to serve 25 easily.

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DowningDude
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1 year ago

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2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago

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Led MLB in victories with 21
Yes Wins and Losses still count from a SP and the fact that the Braves won over 100 games and their 5th straight NL East crown with this guy punctuates that with a exclamation point!!!
BYE!!!
 💪  💪  💪  💪  💪 

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GonFishin
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Nobody cares.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

fantastic! Great info! Thank you so much!

cookmeister
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Either start taking meds, or get back on them

Kyle Wright has nothing to do with us…. he was picked before we had a pick…. But I’m guessing you knew that

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Beekawse I like reminiscing
cookmeister
 4 months ago …….actually May 25

 Reply to  2002heaven
2 issues

  1. trading within the division is rare and usually more costly for the team wanting the players
  2. Andrus sucks………….LOL!!!!

FINAL 2022 stats WAR 3.0 17HR’s 58RBI’s and yes we could’ve had him for a bag of Dorito’s (Very Spicy hot ones thank you very much!) since the A’s were in total rebuild mode even on May 25.

cookmeister
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2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  cookmeister

last yr the Mariners and Astros traded (Kendall Graveman). Heeee………you lost souls are such low hanging fruit. BTW are you saying that you’re dumber?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

Won the siege of Malta, basically saved all of Southern Spain, France and Italy from becoming Ottoman galley slaves. Not drafted by Arte.

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PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 year ago

And history repeats itself lol.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  2002heaven

You keep saying “BYE!!!”….but you keep coming back.

DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago

au revoir — 5 minutes later

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago

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6.3 WAR 💪  💪 
.265/13HR’S/57RBI………..32SB’S and 95Runs scored!!! 💪  💪 
6th rd 2016 MLB Draft……..$722.9K WTF Fletch makes $4M!!!
plays all three left infield positions too. GOOD GAWD!!!
BTW Fletch had a 1.1 WAR in 2022

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

Crossed the entire country, coast to coast, on horseback alone to get news to Washington DC that California was in US hands and prevent Polk from making the military acquisition of California a primary goal in the Mexican American War. Also, not drafted by Arte.

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DowningDude
Legend
1 year ago

Yer killin’ me smalls!!!!!

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago

I’m pretty meh on the Nevin re-signing. Truthfully, with all of the huge uncertainty surrounding the team in the coming offseason, I didn’t really expect a big splash hiring, nor do I expect a big splash FA signing in the offseason as well. So the re-signing of Nevin wasn’t a big surprise, and I don’t think a big splash manager will want to sign with the Angels anyway, considering the impending ownership change. Re-signing Nevin is the correct move in their current situation.

Plus players seem to really like Nevin. So there’s that.

I expect a lot of one-year deals, plus banking on the hope that Fletch, Rendon, Walsh all come back to form and stay healthy throughout the season, and Ward, Rengifo, Shohei and Trout repeat their 2022 performance and stay healthy as well.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  smithy610

The main guys staying healthy is what will be the deciding factor on if they get to the playoffs next season.

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  steelgolf

There was a preview of that when they were 24-13. They just need to avoid ugly prolonged losing streaks, and stay healthy of course, and I really believe they have a fighting chance for the WC.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  smithy610

So, they just need to win more games!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  steelgolf

No. Health is no excuse for losing. It’s also no excuse for winning. I demand championshit without excuses!

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Agreed, FO needs to plan for injuries, especially with the signing of aging stars that has been the Angels habit.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  smithy610

Nevin is probably being paid a pittance which checked all the boxes for PTP and Arte.

2002heaven
Super Member
1 year ago

CTPG should make complaining about Phil Nevin comments not admissible without the requirement of who they think should be the manager (90% of all complaints never point out who else should manage…….like if a MLB field skipper makes as much of a difference as Bill Belichik, Nick Saban or Mike Kryzewski in Football or college basketball) because in the end a manager in MLB won’t turn Patrick Sandoval into Gerritt Cole or Matt Duffy into Austin Riley. Most of you don’t have a answer BTW and most people who are available hires YOU DON’T LIKE EITHER!!!

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

All 90% CtPG is about is low effort thoughtless bitching…. errr, I mean passionate fans with PTSD being super realistic and full of passion. So much passion that it’s almost impossible to have real ideas, just raw enflamed passion. Why you messin with that?

2GA2Join
Super Member
1 year ago

What?! I thought that Arte, Perry and their staff read through all our comments nightly and allow us to guide and direct their moves and vision for the team.
You mean we are just complaining to each other in circles?

h27kim
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  2GA2Join

Only Victor Rojas, who is no longer working for the Halos.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  smithy610

Nevin is a kick the can down the road move in anticipation of new ownership.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  MarineLayer

Oh boy. “Kick the can down the road”. The new walking stick quip for CtPG guy. Like every time you say it a cancer kid is healed.

Gonna be a long off season of can kicking…. can’t wait to see guys like you mention it over and over and over and over and over and over…

Rendon rules.

toad2065
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  smithy610

Please define “big splash manager” and define how the acquisition of same will result in championships.

AnAngelsFan
Super Member
1 year ago

I went digging to find a way to attribute Aaron Judge’s season to luck or assistance and I have to say, it looks legit.

As I mentioned weeks ago, despite playing in a Sandbox stadium, Judge hasn’t been helped by the Yankee Stadium short porch. At the time I looked, Judge would have actually hit 2 more home runs if he played at home in Angel Stadium.

Maybe pitchers didn’t intentionally walk him like they did Trout/Bonds? Nope, 19 IBBs, more than Trout had any season but 1.

Did playing for the Yankees help him get extra PAs? Nope, 4.43 PA/game, a little higher than his career 4.33 and Trout’s 4.37, but not enough to make a difference.

Maybe pitchers were softballing him? Nope, pitch mix, pitch velocity, first-pitch strikes, % of strikes thrown all appear normal.

Did he just get lucky? Nope, BABIP and HR/FB are in line with what he has done before and over his career.

All in all, this was just a full, healthy season from a guy who makes solid contact and hits the ball hard.

tommyshalo
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

And he is a very likable guy so I have nothing against him. If only those hateable fans weren’t there…
I sincerely hope Judge walks away and signs with Boston.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  tommyshalo

I hope he signs with the Giants… and pummels the Dodgers.

steelgolf
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

After seeing him play, in person, at Angel Stadium, with field level seats down by the first base dugout. He is a big guy and his bombs are legit.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

Nice comment, thank you for the analysis. Judge is awesome, but Ohtani is Awesomer.

smithy610
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I really think the “secret” is that he’s finally healthy. People forget that when he finished 2nd in MVP to the cheater, he already hit 52 HRs then. So to me, 60 wasn’t really out of the question.

Eric_in_Portland
Legend
1 year ago
Reply to  smithy610

when you consider that Judge hit 52 in his first full season it’s reasonable for him to hit 62 with more experience. What’s sad is that it makes me remember how McGwire hit 47 as a rookie. Without steroids McGwire might have reached 60, too. Oh well…

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  smithy610

Understood. But as with McGwire how people get consistently healthy often is by other means.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

I was just talking with my brother who assumes in anyone who wears that NYC hat is an arrogant bastard and he must be cheating. I told him that their players are pretty much the same as ours with different hats with the main difference being that their guys are mostly better. Ohtani is a unicorn who could win every year he does this but Judge will win the 2022 MVP because of math…check my work:

NYC x East Coast Bias/Playoffs+62HR / 11.0 WAR = MVP

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 year ago

Let’s all hope for a productive offseason. A new owner that spends more money. Useful fill-ins in left-field and/or first base, starting pitcher, and some young bullpen arms from the farm system.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

We have a 1B man. His name is Jared Walsh.

DMAGZ13
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Walsh was probably the worst player in the team. And now he’s had serious surgery. Congrats on his 2021, but we need a 1B.

FungoAle
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

A one and done all-star. He’ll never get there again.

Crcnme20
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  DMAGZ13

Do we know if Walsh’s health issues led to his difficult season? I have seen a lot of people tear him down on here but I don’t know how well I would be doing if I had the same issue health wise that Walsh has.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Crcnme20

No. He just sucks. There is no way that not getting blood to pump through your body properly would hinder your ability to hit MLB pitching.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  DMAGZ13

If Walsh was actually IN the team that would explain a lot about how this past season went.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Good platoon guy.

FungoAle
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Agree, LF and 1st, two weakest links that need corrected. Much more so than catcher and bullpen.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  FungoAle

I actually think Walsh will be good again if he fully recovers from TOS. BUT I’d also like to get him a righty platoon partner anyway. He sucked against LHP even as an all star.

toad2065
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Our main catcher seems unable to catch balls thrown by anyone other than a pitcher, and isn’t really great at that. Oh, and can’t hit particularly well.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

unfortunately, you’ll be waiting another year for that. new owner won’t happen until probably April/May

Fansince1971
Legend
1 year ago

Not a fan of the Nevin choice. It’s more cheap Arte. Nevin did nothing this season to warrant a contract in my opinion. Glad I’m not wasting any more money on this team.

Angelstan
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Understood. I suspect bringing Nevin back is a placeholder. The new owner can still do whatever he/she wants.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Angelstan

Good point. He could be bought out, or at worst the new owner pays the full amount which I am guessing is not too high.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

Why would you buy out a one year contract?

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

I guess “buy out” would not be the correct term. I guess you say just fire him and “pay him to sit on his couch” or something like that.

cookmeister
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Arte is a lot of things, but cheap really isn’t one of them.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
1 year ago
Reply to  cookmeister

Because he spent so much money on the farm system…

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Fansince1971

It’s a one year contract guys. You’ll be OK.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

Trouty’s finish of the season was crazy, HR or bust and they were almost all hit hard. One traveled 490 feet in Oakland.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

I think it was even longer than that. They keep reestimating up.

Mikeal1st
Trusted Member
1 year ago

I’ve been talking about Trout with friends. He misses 1/4 og the season and finishes 2nd(?) in HR’s? That’s pretty GOATy

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

The 8 Ball says Pitching coach stays, Hitting coach gone.

JackFrost
Super Member
1 year ago

I hope this is correct. I am willing to roll with Wise but not Reed.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  JackFrost

Reed… he is not very good.

MarineLayer
Super Member
1 year ago

I vote for getting better hitters to coach.p as well as a better coach.

halofansince1978
Super Member
1 year ago

If I have the date of February 16th right.

Only 144 day until Pitchers & Catchers.

GrandpaBaseball
Legend
1 year ago

Phil Nevin is the manager if the team, well at least for now. The Player’s like him because he has got their backs. Good for him, he knows what he has for next season on his roster.

halofansince1978
Super Member
1 year ago

At least a Nevin hire establishes some degree of continuity.