LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: ALCS Set

Good morning Angels fans. As we watched the playoffs in despair, have some links.

Angels News

In case you missed it, Jeff interviewed Rich Waltz.

Hey, Angels are hiring! Think you can be a Developer to join the Baseball Operations’ Baseball Systems Development team? Apply here.

A breakdown of Ohtani’s pitching with Japanese subs.

Speaking of Japan, the Japanese media interviewed Brandon Marsh’s mom.

What would an Ohtani extension look like? Locked On Angels tries to answer it.

Qualifying offer figure is out. Will the Angels give one this year?

Around Baseball

Well, the Red Sox clinched, and so did the Astros which means the ALCS will be insufferable. I am rooting for the NL team no matter what.

White Sox fans were mad yesterday. Altuve got cheered when he got a HBP, and fans threw trash on the field.

Meanwhile the Braves won their NLDS to go back to the NCLCS.

While the other series wrapped up, the Dodgers will go to San Francisco to play game 5 of the NLDS.

Manfred is looking at new areas for neutral site baseball. Sandlot please!

None of the top MVP candidates in either league made the LDS. Well, maybe one made it?

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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tanana40
Trusted Member
10 days ago

Ray Fosse has died. I so enjoyed his pregame interviews with Mark Langston on radio pregame shows. RIP Mr. Fosse.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2021/10/13/ray-fosse-former-catcher-world-series-champ-broadcaster-dies-74/8445821002/

Eric_in_Portland
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10 days ago

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Perry, you could have signed this guy who posted a 1.067 OPS in 2020. $17mil per year would have done it

Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago

Should Perry wait until he makes it past the parole board first?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
10 days ago

Might be a Astro in the immediate future.
He should say Buenos Dias to Trevor Bauer.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Hey Doyers fanboy writers, guess what, I don’t give a shit if they won 106 games this year in a division with Arizona and Colorado in it. No one feels bad that the Doyers have to put up with all this pesky play off bullshit instead of, you know, just being automatically placed in the World Series.

I’m pretty sure, deep down in my heart, if the Astros and Doyers rematch in the WS I’m all in for the AssTros. Everyone cheats, but few teams have the insufferablity score that the Dodgers have. Oh the seething, tearful complaints if the Strisks win it all again sans trash cans! Santa Muerta demands it!

JackFrost
Super Member
10 days ago

Yeah, have to agree. As much as I dislike the Astros I truly hate the Dodgers and their cocky, entitled fanbase. I would not want them to get their sweet revenge.

You know, I also do not like the Rays. At all. They allegedly were eating popcorn in the dugout during their Game 1 victory over the Red Sox. They also ordered champagne in advance of the games in Boston. They are not the lovable underdogs that alot of peope think they are. I am glad they are gone.

We still have to deal with the unfortunate truth of either Boston or Houston in the WS. But we still have hope.

Go Giants !

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Jeff Joiner
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Super Member
10 days ago

Sux/Dodgers or Astros/Dodgers would both suck. I definitely wouldn’t watch the former and would probably skip the latter, too. I’d have more fun at the gym.

Oh, back to kickboxing and learning Muay Thai and loving it.

red floyd
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Basically, if the Doyers are in it, I’ll be rooting for the Giant Meteor.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  red floyd

Go Giant Meteor!

Cowboy26
Super Member
9 days ago

Not too giant. (at least not for a home game) I’m not a fan of collateral damage.

red floyd
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Go giant meteor for the games in Houston or Bahstin.

JackFrost
Super Member
9 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

I would rather see a “Giant” meteor take the winner out in the World Series.

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Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
10 days ago

honestly, I’ve always liked Dusty Baker as a person. He’s with the wrong team, though. I just hope SF can win tomorrow and make it easy for me in the World Series.

Jim Atkins
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10 days ago

Awful Announcing has a good article about the cratering economics of RSNs, including out own Bally Sports West, owned by the subsidiary of Sinclair, Diamond, that features prominently in the article,evidently destined for bankruptcy.
https://awfulannouncing.com/sinclair/everyone-seems-to-agree-that-rsns-and-particularly-sinclair-are-in-deep-shit.html

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Mia
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Mia
10 days ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

Couldn’t happen to a nicer company!

Jeff Joiner
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Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jim Atkins

My mom and stepdad went to Dish largely because they don’t watch sports. Without the sports channels their bill is about half of what it used to be.

Mia
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Mia
10 days ago

Getting off work and realizing there is no game tonight…

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WallyChuckChili
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10 days ago

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You whiffed on him too Perry. Signed a ONE YEAR $1.15M DEAL WITH THE GIANTS.
2.37era 62.2ip 42so
In the Playoffs 0.00era 3 so 0.30whip

Twebur
Super Member
10 days ago

Don’t tell 2002…..but.
Perry did sign Jesse Chavez….and let him go. Had a nice season for the Braves, on their playoff roster.
2021 WAR 1.1, ERA 2.14, G 30, IP 33.2, WHIP 0.980
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/chaveje01.shtml

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Glad you noticed the 2002 jab.
Its literally a copy a paste of his post with a former Angel as the Star.

cookmeister
Member
10 days ago

Why is this Perry’s fault? Alvarez hasn’t been on the Angels for a few years, this wasn’t a recent thing.

Are we going to blame Perry for not signing every bullpen success story that could have signed with any team?

Charles Sutton
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10 days ago
Reply to  cookmeister

In all fairness, I think some of this stuff must be Andrew’s fault.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  cookmeister

Yes. If a player is any good, and he’s not on the Angels, then you need to bitch constantly about it like a little bitch. Apparently Perry was supposed to thrill Angels fans last Feb and bring back Alvarez.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago

I liked Alvarez and didn’t like the trade that sent him out. Everybody whiffed on him this year, though. Had anyone known he’d have this type of year he’d have made a ton more.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Jeff Joiner

No Jeff. Only Perry missed on this.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think it’s the coaching SF has.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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But we still have a shot at a low low rate on our mortgages!

red floyd
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10 days ago

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Fansince1971
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10 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Had a chance to sign her in the 3rd round!

Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  red floyd

Can she pitch?

2002heaven
Trusted Member
10 days ago

He’s just a middle reliever…..LOL!!
Who cares, it’s not like he won 14 games this year. Even Dylan Bundy could’ve started and won more games than this guy…..Do better PLZ
I’ll rec you anyway….. 😆  Wonder why has a sad look too?

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Halo71
Trusted Member
10 days ago

The Angels could’ve signed Edward James Olmos?

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Halo71

You mean, re-sign him?
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Twebur
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10 days ago
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MarineLayer
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Yay?

Twebur
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

He might be the acorn that becomes a mighty oak………

Or, another body sucking up oxygen on SouthWest fight between John Wayne Airport and Salt Lake City during baseball season.

Interesting to see he’s another 6’6 pitcher….NBA sized pitchers are a thing now.

Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

who would probably blow over in a wind storm. My only question is…..

Can he pitch?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

This may be exactly what we have been saying we want, and we know absolutely nothing about this 18 year old, but we will still find a way to not like this move cause of Sour Puss Power! He’s too tall! The only thing I hate more than when we sign pitchers that are too tall is when we sign pitchers that are too short! Also, we can’t develop him anyway, so I’d prefer the Angels just don’t sign or draft any amateur players. BUILD THE FARM ARTE!

Twebur
Super Member
10 days ago

Tall + Young is better than Short + Old. 

You forgot “Cheap Arte” doesn’t feed his players, or pay them. They are all going to leave the Angels and sign with other teams.
https://twitter.com/angelsreddit/status/1448080874667483137?s=20

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Twebur
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

That’s a great idea…a close up viewing cage right behind the catcher with no Ump…….it’s a Scouting Zoo for hitters and pitchers.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Twebur

Yes. He will likely just wander off to some other team’s facility in AZ if they just leave out a sandwich for him.

FungoAle
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Does he throw harder the Sluggo/Hoyt?

DowningDude
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10 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Man … speaking of tall pitchers … Where is Lok Van Mil?

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Cowboy26
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MarineLayer
Trusted Member
10 days ago

Nice interview, which convinced me I’d like him to be our full time play by play guy.

WallyChuckChili
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

Does he know how to Hack the Astros?

Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago

Only if they are still using Luhnow’s “Launching Pad” password

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

This is also exactly the kind of move we have been hoping for. I hate it. It would be a great move for another team, but on this team it will only result in smallpox or something. But also still build the farm or I will complain about that. I don’t know who this man is. Arte is stupid and PTP is a tool. Hire Crash Davis.

Twebur
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10 days ago

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Jeff Joiner
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10 days ago
Reply to  Twebur

This is an impressive hire. It flies in the face of everything Arte has done in recent years.

Just when I think the old dog won’t learn new tricks, he does something like this. Hopefully he’s given an appropriate sized budget to do some good. I doubt a guy in his position jumps ship without a legitimate chance to succeed, though.

Twebur
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

not sure what any of these awards mean….
FERREIRA RECEIVES 2019 CARDINALS GEORGE KISSELL AWARD
https://thecardinalnation.com/ferreira-receives-2019-cardinals-george-kissell-award/

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

I believe the Kissell Award is for being the best interior defensive lineman in the ACC…. I think.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member

No, it’s for being the best interior decorator in the midwest.

Fansince1971
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Agreed 100%. It shows some awareness of the problem.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Twebur

I’m sorry, but he looks too “midwestern” to be successful in Southern California and regardless of when the picture was taken he’s not wearing a mask. However as the tweet above notes, he’s “free” so the price was definitely within Arte’s payroll range for player development staff.

angelslogic
Super Member
11 days ago

When are we going to get to read about the Angels staff members who have been fired? This is taking far too long and in my opinion intimates that their jobs are safe.

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

I think it will be a long wait. The Angels like to reward failure.

h27kim
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  angelslogic

Angels have actual baseball staff on payroll to fire?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  h27kim

Maybe, but Arte currently has them all in Alabama hanging out near appliance stores scrounging up cardboard boxes for the 2022 Trash Panda players to live in.

Bariclaw
Newbie
11 days ago

To me, offering the QO is a no brainer. I’d much rather have only a one year exposure at 18.4 mill with reliever volatility than a 3y 45-50 mill exposure. And then we’d deal with him as a FA next year. It gives the Angels the leverage since teams hate parting with draft picks at this time. Sure, it might be a slight overpay, but if there’s anything this team needs to overpay on right now, it’s pitching. This isn’t a Harvey or Quintana 1y deal. This is an established RP star.

steelgolf
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Bariclaw

Or maybe offer him 2yr/22m

AnAngelsFan
Trusted Member
11 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

And if he turns down an extension at 2yr/22, and says he wants 3/45 do you extend a QO?

steelgolf
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  AnAngelsFan

See if he will accept 3/40 and sign him, otherwise QO him.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
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10 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Bingo.

Have some serious discussions with his reps on deals with a higher guarantee but lower AAV. If the talks don’t result in an extension, QO him.

At least with the QO you have an answer quickly and can move forward either way.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

If I know I want him next year I’d QO him day one and then negotiate with his agent knowing the QO is already happening.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
10 days ago

But they can negotiate now, and first QO after the WS. Take advantage of the time to figure out what he wants – see if it works, and make a serious plan to lure top pitching to the Big A.

Christianhanson
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I’d sign him to a 4 year 40 million deal why not lol

Designerguy
Super Member
10 days ago

Then we’d be out on Wilson. Is Granderson available?

Fansince1971
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Jeff – do we even know what the QO amount will be in 2021? Doesn’t that require a new collective bargaining agreement?

Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Why yes, yes we do.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/qualifying-offer-value-set-at-18-4mm.html

Since the current CBA does not expire until December 1st, I guess its Bidnis as usual until then.

Fansince1971
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Interesting…..thanks for the info

Senator_John_Blutarsky
Super Member
Reply to  Bariclaw

Hendricks and Smith are getting $13m AAV. There’s no way Iggy signs for less than $15M AAV. Give him the QO.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member

Yeah. He’s the best on the board, the QO is 3.5M higher than 15M so that would be a fair discount, the only comparable arm coming onto the market in the next 3 years is Hader and Nunez, both of which will also get PAID. It’s just the facts, if you want a proven closer over the next couple years you need to stumble onto one or pay 15M a year for 3 years. These guys aren’t pussy footing around with two year deals like they’re Ryan Tepera.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
10 days ago

Give him 3/45, lock down the closer role, and move on to the rotation.

Marcotor
Member
10 days ago

But FA’s should take LESS money to play here. Trout! Ohtani! Disneyland! 12 season with no playoff wins. WHY should ANY FA turn us down?

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Marcotor

And the giant wildfires provide light and heat! You can afford the high taxes cause you hardly need any electricity! So good. So natural.

Fansince1971
Super Member
10 days ago

Again I’ll ask – do we know what the QO amount will be for 2022? I don’t think we will until there is a new agreement.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Fansince1971

It’s 18.5M. We know it already cause it’s based on the average of the top free agent paychecks from this past year… it’s like the top 125 player’s salaries averaged….

Charles Sutton
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11 days ago
Reply to  Bariclaw

No doubt we need to hang on to Raisel, although that means we might have to go cheap on starters once again.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
11 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Heandog is available. So is Matt Harvey.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Replacing Bundy and Q with Sandoval and Suarez is a significant savings and should be a performance boost.

Christianhanson
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

couldn’t agree more, they are cost efficient and effective. Even if no one is replaced on the team, bringing back Cobb, with Junk, Rodriguez, Detmers, and Canning most of them couldn’t be worse than Bundy and Q.

JackFrost
Super Member
10 days ago

I would not feel good with just giving Detmers or Canning a starting gig.

To me they would have to earn that job.

JackFrost
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I would say “will be a performance boost.”

FungoAle
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Bariclaw

I’m on board with a 2-yr + option on the 3rd where the Angels could exercise the right to decline or just the QO. What I like about the QO, is the compensation. We can turn around and sign another back of the bullpen arm for less while netting a pick between 1-2 rounds. Albeit, a lesser acclaimed arm. Iglesias, 32 years young, is off of a career year and certainly will be seeking north of what Hendriks got last year: 3yr / $54M.

Tread lightly. Iglesias is a lock to decline the QO.

Last edited 10 days ago by FungoAle
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  FungoAle

Yeah, the last 5 years were career years, so he’s certain to not sign the QO. He’s getting a big ass contract somewhere and Arte needs to decide if he wants to have that level of closer or not.

Given how unimpressive all the starter options are on the market I would totally pay Iglesias.

MarineLayer
Trusted Member
10 days ago

I think you’ve made a great point. As much as I want more SP, there just aren’t many I like very much. Wrapping up Raisel is probably a great place to start. Once we have him, we still have so far to go and no plausible way to get there.

JackFrost
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

You’re very negative, aren’t you.

There are at least three young, cheap guys in our system who if they can stay healthy and continue to progress will already significantly improve our rotation. I of course am speaking of Sandoval, Suarez, and Barria. With Bundy, Heaney and Q gone it is also already addition by subtraction.

In fact, even if just two of those three are healthy and take the next step, our rotation is drastically improved. This is not unrealistic since both have shown flashes of being quality MLB starting pitchers. We just need two of them to pitch as well or better, and not to regress.

That said, we do need to wrap up Raisel as you stated. That is a MUST.

However, if we can add two FA starters (one of “high” quality and one of “very high” quality) and the above scenario plays out then right there we have a very good rotation of a) FA #1 b) Ohtani c) FA # 2 d) Sandoval e) Suarez.

We won’t even need to “slum it” with a Canning etc. He can be depth in our org. I would expect the same of Barria or the one of that group of three that does not stick as a SP. If Q2 continues with his success then we’d have another bullpen piece in place. This is not alot to ask to be honest. We have the resources, they just need to be exclusively spent on pitching, with Arte eschewing the temptation to make a big splash with a FA shortstop or other bat.

We have solutions for all positions currently in place (when healthy) or already in house. The puzzle is not that difficult to put together and it is certainly not implausible or impossible as you are saying.

Last edited 10 days ago by JackFrost
gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  JackFrost

I mostly agree, though I don’t think Canning is done at all. He still has plenty of potential. So I extra agree.

I think if the Angels drop 35-40M on a starter, Iglesias and Cobb, then maybe cherry pick a useful pen arm later in the off season, and we add that to Ohtani, Sandoval, Barria, Canning, Junk etc that’ll be a pretty strong upgrade.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago

I’m all aboard the Stroman train but that might be a pipe dream. Your plan works if a couple of young guys can be used for multi inning roles a couple of times each week.

Ohtani, Gray, Sandoval, Cobb, Suarez, Canning isn’t exactly scary but fits your budget and keeps Iglesias closing games.

Put C-Rod and Barria in the bullpen as multi inning guys to eliminate the 6 pitchers per game thing, have a lock down closer, and build on the bullpen depth.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Super Member
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Oh you just wait until you see my sexy hot “If I Were Perry”. It’s working out to be very unexciting with almost no names added to the roster to thrill the hoi polio…. but keeps Raisel. I just gotta see if the masthead’s take on what our budget will be is similar to my guess.

FungoAle
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Stroman as a No.3, ok.

JackFrost
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

Why would Stroman be a pipe dream?

I mean, I don’t even consider Scherzer a pipe dream.

FungoAle
Super Member
10 days ago

Our best move with Canning is to trade him. He has no muscle and has a body frame of a Colt Leaguer, to endure pitching 120 innings will be a huge challenge, TJ is in his near future. If we all remember, he had pains coming out of UCLA. Barria does not possess swing and miss stuff and is too unpredictable. We need to eliminate these types to advance..

I’m down with Sandoval and Ohtani. Make Suarez earn his spot next year. I know Joe just handed him the job but want to see more before I am sold.

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Suarez has earned his spot in the rotation. I don’t know what you still want to see.

Canning as depth is a good plan Trading him now, coming off a bad season, is selling low. Give him a chance to rebound in ST and early next year, if you really feel there is no room.

Barria is better than you seem to give him credit for. I am not sure there is room in the rotation (if we sign two pitchers at the top of the rotation), unless he is long relief out of the pen – but he is young and has pitched well at the MLB level when shown confidence and not jerked around (like in 2019).

I would be quite happy with him as our 6th rotation option (FA#1, Ohtani, FA#2/Cobb, Sandoval, Suarez, Barria). Depends on when Detmers; Canning, CRod and others take a step forward, if they are healthy, and who competes out of ST.

Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago

There maybe other Junk down on the farm that can compete for that 6th starter spot

matthiasstephan
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Maybe. Let them all compete. I just think the few I mentioned are further along than Junk, Naughton, Diaz …

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

He will get 3 years from someone. The only question, then, is if you want the Angels to give that 3rd year.

FungoAle
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  H.T. Ennis

Agree completely H.T. For me, I would not extend him to his 35th year of age. The hope is, Bush or Bachman could provide late inning relief. QO.

Jeff Joiner
Editor
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

Don’t sleep on Luke Murphy who closed at Vanderbilt and is already in AA.I think he’s up about August of last year.

Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think I missed that last August.

Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Bariclaw

The compensatory picks are so overrated. When was the last time the Angels drafted anyone good with one of those picks?

FungoAle
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Better to be at the dance than looking in from the outside.

h27kim
Trusted Member
10 days ago
Reply to  Cowboy26

Trout?

Cowboy26
Super Member
10 days ago
Reply to  h27kim

Winner, Winner, For you a Scioscia Dinner!

Apparently the Chasm of Sar was well hidden but not very deep.

Last edited 10 days ago by Cowboy26
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